On entropy and evolution

A recounting in broken English of my best understanding of the article `The Law of Maximum Entropy Production` from the website

http://www.entropylaw.com

In short:
- In any situation, the universe will seek to maximize its capacity for redistributing energy and maximizing entropy (ie. path of least resistence).
- Ordered structures are usually more efficient at maximizing entropy than unordered structures (take for instance intelligent terrestrial life, burning through millions of years worth of fossil deposits in mere decades).
- Ordered structure does spontaneously appear wherever there is sufficient potential.

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[piperadio]

Atheist are so emotional.

This film suggest that abiogenesis is the universes's way of carrying out entropy. All the life that ever was is such a very small amount of terrestrial material. What materials are we changing from and what to? The last post was right. No good answer. Order=Order maker. God did it. Yes :-)

[XGralgrathor]

« This film suggest that abiogenesis is the universes's way of carrying out entropy »

No, that would be teleological thinking. What I *do* suggest is that abiogenesis might be an inevitable result of the tendency of entropy to increase to a maximum.

[XGralgrathor]

« What materials are we changing from and what to? »

Carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, and so forth.

[XGralgrathor]

« Order=Order maker »

Nope. There are plenty of examples of order resulting from mindless behavioural patterns. The examples in the above video are just a few of them.

[Chuichupachichi]

The necessary components simply don't exist independent of life.

Evo was a dream derived from man's desire for autonomy. However, autonomy can be achieved only by submission to the Creator. Otherwise, man's natural power is easily superseded by the deceiver's supernatural power. Then, subscriptions to falsehoods will always hold the mind bound to the entrapment of the falsehood's dead-end avenues & man's potential is suppressed

[XGralgrathor]

« Evo was a dream derived from man's desire for autonomy. »

Sure. Bye now, chups.

[Nervousification]

@Chuichupachichi Evolution entails life evolving, philosophically this is generative. Physically, it's nothing more than shit getting mixed up and eventually causing consciousness. No new energy is created, no new matter is created. However, if you wanted to site yourself as an argument against organisms actually evolving past the moron state, I would have to concede that you are right.

[allthingsarelikethis]

@jpo2311 Dude that is interesting, I will have to check into this some more, if what you are saying is true "which it sounds like you know what you are talking about" then I have not understood this at all. :P Thanks for the comments!

[jpo2311]

@jpo2311 (continued) For example, oxygen has 4 electrons in its valence shell but wants 6, since gaining 2 electrons is easier than loosing 4 it will bond to other atoms that are trying to give up electrons such as calcium. There is a lot more to it, such as hybridization, but that's the basic gist. Different elements = different atoms.

[jpo2311]

@allthingsarelikethis Yes, and the chemical elements are different atoms (ie hydrogen atom, oxygen atom). They are organized by number, atomic number is the number of protons the atom has in its nucleus; their valence, the number of electrons in the atoms outermost shell; and the valence shell types, s, p, d, ect. Other trends than be seen across the table, such as electronegativity and atomic radius, but these characteristics are a function of the properties I listed above.

[allthingsarelikethis]

@jpo2311 The periodic table is the 118 known CHEMICAL ELEMENTS that are organized by selected properties of their own atomic structures. The atoms that make them up are the same atoms it is the chemical elements and how they get organized that is different, atleast that is how I always understood it.

[jpo2311]

@Chuichupachichi Lol soil is NOT the same thing as rock. Soil is a mixture of sediment and humus (degraded organic material). Take a sedimentology class and you'll learn more than you probably ever wanted about soil and how it is NOT rock.

[jpo2311]

@allthingsarelikethis Yes, all things are made of atoms but not the same ones (periodic table). Humans are carbon based, meaning we are primarily made of carbon atoms. Rocks on the other hand are most frequently silicon and oxygen based. Take an organic chemistry class and a mineralogy class and you will quickly understand the differences between rocks and a living organisms. Chemically anyway.

[allthingsarelikethis]

@jpo2311 Actually we are all made of the same atoms all things are made of atoms, maybe you could elaborate what you mean  by we are NOT made up of precisely the same atoms, what in your view is the difference between atoms in humans and atoms in rocks?