What About Pre-Existing Matter?

http://www.reasonablefaith.org - For all his studies and research on the existence of God, the best thing Christopher Hitchens can come up with is a question of whether pre-existing matter refutes the cosmological argument. Dr. William Lane Craig shows how that's not the case and quotes contemporary cosmologists.

This is part of the "Defending the Cosmological Argument" series. Table of Content: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=916E17EE70E98A68

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• pre-existing
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• cosmological
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• singularity
• christopher
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• craig
• John
• Barrow
• Frank
• Tipler
• physics

[Cazador]

Dan Barker made a good point: the first premise of the Kalam argument: "everything that begins to exist has a cause;" is literally setting up a description of everything except for his idea of God (which, apparently, doesn't have a cause). Basically he's saying "Everything that isn't God began to exist." It's completely uninformative. Also, 'Everything that exists in nature is natural.' Also, 'Everything that doesn't have a beard, reindeer, and a house in the north pole isn't Santa Claus."

[drcraigvideos]

@Cazador "Dan Barker made a good point..." LOL! The same Dan Barker who said we're no better than broccoli (watch?v=UHmWBikEYfA) or that the laws of logic can be falsified (watch?v=PGLzhQzfRfE)? Anyway, Craig dealt with this trash... I mean "refutation" in his website. Go to reasonablefaith-dot-org and go to the Q&A archive and look for "Barker’s Objection to the Kalam Argument."

[drcraigvideos]

@Ilikenuman "his premise is that everything that exists has a cause." *SIGH* Listen to his argument please. It's "Whatever BEGINS to exist has a cause." There's nothing circular there.

[drcraigvideos]

@SuperShiningSun So, you think something that's written 22 years ago is still not contemporary nor is it written by scientists (Barrow and Tipler) who are still alive and hold to the same view? And you say this without even showing their "biasness"? Why be so obtuse? Get real.

[drcraigvideos]

@xlibra15 ROFL! Uh, yeah, icebergs never begin to exist. You're ever more smart than I thought. Look, I don't believe everything needs a cause. I do think that whatever BEGINS to exist needs a cause however, like icebergs.

[xlibra15]

@drcraigvideos Condescending remarks aren't going to make your argument any more convincing. Many things exist with no cause. They just happened to come about through natural processes. This could be anything from an iceberg in the arctic ocean to entire galaxies that are too far away to have any impact on us whatsoever.

So not everything that begins to exist has a cause. Or do you think there is some divine purpose for the iceberg floating in the ocean?

[drcraigvideos]

@xlibra15 Uh, yeah, whatever BEGINS to exist is always uncaused then. You're very smart.

[xlibra15]

@drcraigvideos What is your proof or explanation of that? Why do you assume whatever begins has a cause? Just because you feel better thinking that there is purpose to everything, that doesn't make it true.

[tynytian]

@SuperShiningSun I'd like for an atheist to explain to me how anything could possibly exist "before" the beginning of time? If the universe did not originate at the beginning of time, then it must have existed BEFORE time, but that's just incoherent. "Before time" implies that there was time before it began, but that's like describing a man as a bachelor after he's been married.

[thetraceur123]

@ASTROxSniper1 If you mean a Quantum Vacuum of some sort, no, a Quantum Vacuum is something, it is the lowest level of energy where virtual particles appear from the fluctuating sea of energy but then sudden disapear after a very short while. But no, Big Bang tells us that NOTHING, no space, no time, no energy, nothing at all existed "prior" to the Big Bang. It is a true Ex-Nihilo state.

[0Maloy1]

@LBC6893 LOL what?

[LBC6893]

@0Maloy1 This is all just the dream of an autistic child anyway.

[gimee50k]

@0Maloy1 But where is the proof that god is outside of time? there is 0 evidence supporting any god. now if you still want to believe it that's fine, but just understand that saying things without any evidence isn't any sort of argument.

[0Maloy1]

@LBC6893 You heard his argument right? before the universe their was nothing! no space no TIME. God is outside of time, always been.