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Uploaded by on Mar 9, 2010

If thoughts become things, then what have our religious beliefs over however many thousands of years created?

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  • Second, if it's supernatural things that we've created, then it will be difficult to ever really know given that they' are super natural or as some people put "transcendent". Things that are transcendent are, by definition, beyond our knowing them. All we are left with is to speculate and remain tied to the realm of fiction and although buckets of fun, ultimately not the practical outcome it seems you might be going for.

  • @RodneyHalko Any outcome of this - it's speculation, I love doing that - would be the seeds of our own slavery. :)

    Not good.

  • @all13Doctors I fear it has already come to that, but I can't help but feel that religion, our slavery and its seeds are all byproducts of a much more sinister force - greed.

    Our good Doctor, especially in his 11th incarnation, may be overly optimistic about how many of us can match up to "the best of us".

  • @RodneyHalko Quite possibly. A bitter irony is that optimism has been measured as amounting to very little while pessimism has a very powerful effect.

    Greed is never good. The problem is that it is lack which creates greed. And need is often seen as greed by those forces who rule and are themselves fuelled by a more real greed.

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  • @all13Doctors Although I agree that greed is not good, I don't think that Greed stems from Lack. I think Need stem from Urge, urge to survive, urge to actualize, urge to BE. Greed stems from an appendix-like holdover from our squirrel days when we had reason to believe that if we did grab as much as possible we might not "have enough" and "miss out".

    Back when we were squirrels it was easy to know what "enough" was. You lived through the winter, you had enough.

  • You've mention two (possibly) different "things" that our beliefs maybe have created.

    First you suggested "supernatural" things and then just things.

    Also you suggest that our beliefs are what may create the things you wonder about and you suggest reading Holy books as a source of these creations.

    First it may very well be that, well, it's those books that is what we've created.

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