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January 5th, 2003 at Islamic Institute of New York.
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January 5th, 2003 at Islamic Institute of New York.
A historic debate between Hassanain Rajabali [Muslim] and Dan Barker [Atheist].
Moderated by Mohamed Athar Lila.
This is a series of events organized by the Tawheed Institute after the September 11 crisis with the aim to foster better understanding between people of different denominations.
Some Quotes:
"Another argument, against the existence of god of course, is the problem of evil: All you have to do is walk into any children's hospital - and you know there is no god. Children are in pain, they are suffering, their parents are desperately praying for god to protect them." - Dan Barker
"We're relative creatures, and that is how we understand things, and we can never have a conception of something that is bad, until we understand what is good. That reality, that co-existence is necessary in this world. If one wants to say that evil should not exist then the earth should not exist. You and I should not exist, trial should not exist, and exam should not exist. Rather we are in a system where we understand that evil is there." - Hassanain Rajabali
"Yes, I am under trial, if I could have stopped September 11, I would have but "God is not under trial." So it is irrelevent to for Him." - Hassanain Rajabali
"No matter what they [the Atheists] thought of Hassanain's arguments, they all agree that he was pleasant and articulate. He shows a good face of Islam." -Dan Barker, after the debate
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What if it's right? What makes you think it's wrong? The Islamic belief is that if the concept of God is not preceded by negation, falls into an incorrect understanding of God. You negate EVERYTHING except God.
Look at our declaration of faith; There is NO God, except Allah.
Negation and affirmation. The islamic concept of God is absolutely IRREFUTABLE.
5. so in my opinion, we the people will fight for our existence for some reason i dont really need to explain because you know it. and that is your belief.
4. the difference between us is the way well be buried. and afterlife? none of us can prove theyre 100% right and confirmed so stop saying others belief is lacking of something blab la bla mindless blababla unless youre 100% confirmed about your belief and afterlife (prove it because ive got lots of questions still).
3. for me, it doesnt really matter. as long as im not disturbing others and respect their rights, so then i have nothing to scared. and i prefer tolerance to all believer because you guys have your choice. islam and christian and other religions dont teach their believer to disrespect others religion as well. So do the atheists.
2. none of us gonna say that they're dumb, cheated or let others condemned our belief. unless you want people to laugh at you. stop arguing, and start working. lots of thing need to be done. all of you saying the right thing. i mean the right things for each. for each belief.
1. 1.everyone will protect their religion because all of us believe in something that we think its true, even we dont really know the consequence of the death(prove it if you 100% sure about it) unless we have 2 chances to live(how do we know that if we still writing this shit? lol).
what if islam is wrong? the fact is, there are christians, hindus, and hell, voodooists (sp?) who have exponentially more faith in their respective gods than you have in muhammad, or allah. not to downplay your faith at all, you seem to have more faith than (i daresay) most christians i've known. christians have just as much evidence that their savior is the true god, as you do that allah is. if you're wrong, every time you convert a member of another religion, you may be damning them to hell.
just because im athiest, it doesnt mean i lack a concept of moral vs immoral. i don't murder because murder is wrong. i don't steal because stealing is wrong.
religious people think that god is the only source of morals. i believe that we as people are born, as social creatures, with the natural knowledge that doing wrong against your fellow man brings down brings harm to the entire community.
i don't need a god to explain to me that lying is wrong.
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Wrong!! Their saviour HAS A GOD! Christianity is totally mindless! I challenge any Christian to come and debate here...
Islam is perfect. It's undeniable and the Quran is purity personified.
What if it's right? What makes you think it's wrong? The Islamic belief is that if the concept of God is not preceded by negation, falls into an incorrect understanding of God. You negate EVERYTHING except God.
Look at our declaration of faith; There is NO God, except Allah.
Negation and affirmation. The islamic concept of God is absolutely IRREFUTABLE.
1. 1.everyone will protect their religion because all of us believe in something that we think its true, even we dont really know the consequence of the death(prove it if you 100% sure about it) unless we have 2 chances to live(how do we know that if we still writing this shit? lol).
religious people think that god is the only source of morals. i believe that we as people are born, as social creatures, with the natural knowledge that doing wrong against your fellow man brings down brings harm to the entire community.
i don't need a god to explain to me that lying is wrong.