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January 5th, 2003 at Islamic Institute of New York.
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January 5th, 2003 at Islamic Institute of New York.
A historic debate between Hassanain Rajabali [Muslim] and Dan Barker [Atheist].
Moderated by Mohamed Athar Lila.
This is a series of events organized by the Tawheed Institute after the September 11 crisis with the aim to foster better understanding between people of different denominations.
Some Quotes:
"Another argument, against the existence of god of course, is the problem of evil: All you have to do is walk into any children's hospital - and you know there is no god. Children are in pain, they are suffering, their parents are desperately praying for god to protect them." - Dan Barker
"We're relative creatures, and that is how we understand things, and we can never have a conception of something that is bad, until we understand what is good. That reality, that co-existence is necessary in this world. If one wants to say that evil should not exist then the earth should not exist. You and I should not exist, trial should not exist, and exam should not exist. Rather we are in a system where we understand that evil is there." - Hassanain Rajabali
"Yes, I am under trial, if I could have stopped September 11, I would have but "God is not under trial." So it is irrelevent to for Him." - Hassanain Rajabali
"No matter what they [the Atheists] thought of Hassanain's arguments, they all agree that he was pleasant and articulate. He shows a good face of Islam." -Dan Barker, after the debate
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I KNOW I will get away with it because all the priests, pastors, rabbis, and religious people all say I just need to repent and I get to go to heaven. But since he will never show himself, because he's not real, I don't give it much thought.
@ lolzjoe u said " Why can't god reveal himself to everyone and everyone would believe? If he's real he is a dumbass and a prick"
If God is real then what makes u think that u will get away with insulting God? Unless !! if u don't really care if there is God or not. That being said that why do u even bother commenting?
Dy : who said the gods couldn't fight somewhere else to avoid problems we could detect? Does a god need to be all knowing?there is a god/goddess of wisdom, but they don't know everything. Zeus is the ruler of gods, and he is a horny bastard, but ge can still rule and fight at the same time
Greek gods are even more reasonable sounding. All this shit in one world is hard to manage so there are many gods and goddessess to keep the world balanced
@Lolzjoe If you listen to scientists, they say the universe is in complete harmony. Don't you think planets and therefore life would be destroyed when the different Gods become angry or fight with each other. Fighting among different Gods is common in Greek mythology (Chronos vs. Zeus). When two are fighting, either one of them is wrong or both are wrong. How can you acknowledge and worship Gods that fight and who are wrong?
I will take a different side. Zeus and the rest of the Greek gods are real. Oh sure people call them myths but I know for a fact that they are real. Zeus told me that all non believers will die long and painfully.
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If God is real then what makes u think that u will get away with insulting God? Unless !! if u don't really care if there is God or not. That being said that why do u even bother commenting?