Ornette Coleman - Dancing In Your Head (live)

man i listened to lonely woman in class today and i was sort of weirded out.

then my professor had all of us play in a free sort of style, and i think i understood it a lot better. it is a very cathartic experience to play in this style, but it is still a bit chaotic for me to listen to

Mooka lo amala ORNETTE bakam cotto si????

Thanks Ornette!

4:54.

That's not say I don't like and respect what OC does...

Man I love it - the guy was a pioneer in free jazz. He broke ground in jazz. It's a great aesthetic and led to a varied field

In this case the melody is facetious but I like it! OC's music is often full of love and acceptance, and there's a beauty in it. He should appeal to the all-embracing Wordsworth in some of us who get uptight about music.

Bull!

I used to think it was unlistenable but since opening my ears I can now accept it. I am a student of composition and harmony so not lacking in musical awareness.

jazznokey: Was the opening of your ears a similar process to those who eventually come to like The Young Doctors. FYI, this discussion is about the lack of obvious musical expression that persons, both musicians & listeners, perceive when they hear OC...just like Kylie Minogue is HUGE with the global gay community, although it's got very little to do with the music.

...It's got to do mainly with the idea...that's what we're discussing...I've seen eminently better expressions of free jazz which involved both dexterity,originality & improvisation...I see none of it when OC strikes up his band.....no-one ever lost money underestimating public taste...

Good points...on consideration a lot of ornette's stuff isn't as musical (in my view) as say, the freeform stuff Wayne Shorter does with his quartet (Wayne is very musical, intricate sense of melody, really worth really listening to all his periods), I mean this particular piece lacks subtlety.

His popularity may be supra-musical as I you say however I'm not sure the notion of what's musical can be separated from context. According to the western tradition perhaps OC's music is left wanting.

I mean when we talk about musicality (I guess) we're using as reference a notion of beauty coming from the western tradition. For example a certain approach to dynamics and phrasing

Or maybe there's a deep sense of musical quality that transcends culture.

In some atonal music and experimental music you have the abandonment of standards in a deliberate attempt to remove intention from music (John Cage). SOme people like it (maybe as many as like OC), what do you think about that music?