Beethoven (Part 16 of 18)

I believe Fur Elise is not really ranked up there with the greats, and Beethoven never actually published it - there are theories it was sent to one of his many short love interests.

At 8:21 Schubert is in the audience!!!!!

it very likely IS suppose to be Schubert. He lived in Vienna, was a GREAT fan of Beethoven's, and even met Beethoven about this time. Beethoven looked over some of Schubert's music nodding his head approvingly. Schuberts major detractor was that he was not a superior pianist and was hardly known in Vienna at the time. it wasnt until about 30 yrs after his death his surviving friends published his music and had performances arranged to present his music to the world. but i agree thats Schubert!

Actually I read that Schubert never met Beethoven (though he could have) because he was too shy. But he did go to his funeral.

Rossini, on the other hand, DID meet Beethoven and got a nod of approval much like you stated about Schubert. Beethoven's favorite Italian opera, was reportedly Rossini's Barber of Seville (and it's probably my favorite italian opera too). Beethoven predicted that it would still be popular centuries later... and here we are, everyone's seem bugs bunny singing it!

youre right that Schubert was a very shy man. It was a Schubert biography i read that said he met Beethoven about a year before Beethoven died. as to his being at the funeral, ALL of Vienna was there lol.Beethovens death was the death of an emperor.

i went back and double checked my sources. It was Schindler (beethovens longtime secretary and first biographer) who stated that the two met in 1827. Schubert was convinced by his friend Vogl (a great basso) to go because this would be his only chance. Also beethoven was already aware of schuberts music as early as 1822, having read over some of his songs and other music. schindler says Beethoven remarked: Truly, there is in Schubert a divine sparkhe will cause a stir in the world.

I think schindler was a very good storyteller, but modern Beethoven scholars agree that he was a known liar who forges many stories about Beethoven and burned a number of his letters and conversation books, fabricating a great deal of material to take the place of them.

To my knowledge I don't know of any reliable report that either Michael Vogl or Schubert met Beethoven in person. Also, Vogl was a baritone, not a bass (though there's only an octave or so of difference I think).

youre right i had forgotton the part of Schindler being a fabricator lol. also did some reading online afterward. best we can come up with is this - it is very likely that the two met at some point. it IS known that Schubert about worshiped Beethoven, and Beethoven WAS aware of his music and liked it very much. as to the baratone, it is like a hybrid of 1st Basso and 2nd tenor ( i sing baratone) kinda get the best of both worlds or think of a bass or tenor with an extended range, up or down.

is the man at 8:21 Schubert  or somethinglol

It was invented for the ninth symphony. Beethoven had a friend called Maezel. He used to invent some instruments that could help Ludwig to hear when somebody speaks, or even, when he plays or compose. So, when the orchestra though they couldn't play the work as Beethoven's indications, he asked Maezel for invent something to guide the pulse and helps the orchestra to understand what Beethoven wanted about the tempo.