Muhammad Ali vs. Brian London 1966

Trouble is willen08, ex-trainers are like ex-girlfriends or ex-wifes, they allways reduce the size of your willy by at lease 2 inches.

And also Marciano's ex-trainer (Goldman)said Marciano hit really hard in the 50's but in the 60's/70's a boxer like Bonavena hit as hard or even harder than Marciano.

Archie Moore (who fought Rocky and Ali)said the only boxer who could beat Ali was Joe Louis.

He said that even before Ali's prime so imagine what Archie thought in Ali's primes, I'll tell, even Joe Louis would lose against Ali.

Marciano wouldn't have a chance against Ali.

Actually Moore later said that both in their primes Ali beats Joe Louis or any heavyweight ever.

Welcome to the Rocky Marciano debate forum.

A champion is only as great as his opposition. If Marciano had beaten a young Sony Liston or Floyd Patterson before retiring, then Rocky would have been the greatest. But that never happenned. Ali knocked out Foreman, an all time great champion in his prime, while Ali himself was past his prime. That's why Muhammad Ali, even to this day, is the greatest heavyweight champion.

Dude, you're a dumbass, Marciano fought 42 of his 49 fights in New York and Boston, beating newbies, his championship fight came in 1952 and after winning he only defender his tittle 6 times and retired, now that's a pussy. I'm not saying he was the worst boxer, but he's definitely not among the Top 5 Best Heavyweights ever, Also he died in a plane crash, not because he wasn't a healthy man LoL :]

Oh my bad, I didn't know his cause of death. I just now that he died young. So i just assumed it was of natural causes. How can you see beating newbies? Yeah at first he did, but that was so he can fight his way for a title fight. Noone beats up on a bunch of great fighters before they even get a shot at the title. His last fight when he was in his 30's came against Archie Moore who had frkn over 220 fights and only 23 losses. He retired after only 6 title defenses cause he nothing left to prove

Dude you're wrong, waaay wrong! Ali's 19th fight was his first championship fight, Marciano's first tittle bout was his 42ND fight! see the difference now and after winning Marciano defender his tittle 6 times and got knocked down twice, but managed to win the fight, i guess he got scared of losing or whatever.


P.S. he had much more to prove than that!

You can have whatever opinion about who was the best, but Rocky Marciano was no pussy.
What's the point of fighting and fighting? To end up punch drunk like Ali, or Frazier? Even Holmes is worse for wear.
The only guy to have fought both Marciano and Ali is Archie Moore. His opinion probably carries more weight than anybody's. He always maintained Marciano was the most brutal puncher over the course of a fight, ever. And Moore worked with Foreman until Zaire.