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Tina Humphrey Crufts 2007

This lady has had quite a lot of TV coverage recently and rightly so. Here she is performing at the Crufts Freestyle Heelwork to Music contest at Crufts 2007. This dog should show the world that ...  
 
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nicedoginc (2 days ago) Show Hide
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This training goes beyond clicker. Clicker training very limited and it can't give  you the fluidity that you see here.
clickertrainer22 (2 days ago) Show Hide
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Oh, interesting- I've seen marvously fluid performances from clicker trained animals everything from killer whales to dogs to agility rats. Perhaps you haven't met such good clicker trainers before- or people simply training with a clicker and not truly clicker training. Have you been to clicker expo?
In the end, you get what you click- if you click for fluidity, you'll get it, if you click for crispness that too is what you'll get.

I have never found clicker training to limiting at all.
nicedoginc (2 days ago) Show Hide
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Yes. All of those creatures are fluid in an environment that is sterile and controlled.

In the real world clicker training fails. The dog above was clearly trained with a new and better technology. A technique that requires 'real' communication as an equal with an animal. Dogs are just like us-we just need information to get it right.

The animals is educated as to it's job. Treats and clickers (crutches) are irrelevant and redundant.
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Don't tell that to my service dog clients, whose dogs perform their clicker trained behaviors out in the real world all of the time. Or any of the dogs trained by guide dogs for the blind in Oregon- who switched from traditional to clicker training about 2 years ago. Since clicker training has been implemented, It is now taking much less time and money to train the guide dogs and they are able to train behaviors that they never could before.
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A clicker and treats are no more a crutch than a shock collar or choke/prong collar are.
nicedoginc (2 days ago) Show Hide
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Traditional training/electric training collars operate on EXACTLY the same scientific principles as clicker training.
In addition traditional training/remote collar training produces dogs that work off-leash, at a distance and in a distracting environment.
Clicker training does not. The proof?
Where are the AKC OTCH's trained by clickers?
None.
Where are the clicker trained Sch III's?
None.
Where are the clicker trained Field Dog/Bird Dog/Retriever Champions?
None.
nicedoginc (2 days ago) Show Hide
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Most service dogs trained by clicker methods are not reliable off-leash. The guide dog program that you mention is very uncommon and not the industry standard.
tatifunky (3 weeks ago) Show Hide
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HOW CUTEEEEEEE
karolinkka69 (4 weeks ago) Show Hide
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Unbelivable partnership . Great :)
clickertrainer22 (1 month ago) Show Hide
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I think you answered my question. Your dog must be very good with verbal cues!

hmm... your entire routine is a behavior chain held together by the cue for the next behaivor (a conditioned positive reinforcer) so understanding chains can be very helpful especially when things go wrong!!! (LOL as any performance trainer knows they can!). Do you not use the concept of backchaining because you change the routine often?
You say you're not a clicker trainer- what method(s) do you use?

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