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The Israel Lobby (Marije Meerman, VPRO Backlight 2007)

For many years now the American foreign policy has been characterized by the strong tie between the United States and Israel. Does the United States in fact keep Israel on its feet? And how long wi...  
 
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exactly, historical claims can cause endless debates without any constructive results,a sensible person should analyse the current situation trying to tackle it by finding the root-causes, let me put it by an analogical case:
if you moved in a house in a neighbourhood by force, evicting the former owner , and intimidating the rest of neighbours,then you must be ready to be hated and opposed by the whole neighbourhood, in such a case it would be absurd if you complained : why you are not loved.
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well, historically they moved peacefully into what was largely an under-populated desert, and then when the british left they declared that all Arabs would be granted equal citizenship and democratic rights... The arabs were not driven out until AFTER they decided they would rather try to "drive all the jews into the sea" than peacefully live in a multi-ethnic state with them (which ironically is what you seem to want all of a sudden, after unsuccessfully trying to kill them for 60 years)...
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we Iranians usually don't need to carry on living with a constant hatred against any nation including Israelis , believe me we feel much more self-secure as to ignore countries around us, Israel must know the source of all problems and conflicts lies in their own nation not Iran or the rest of the world, before IRI Israel had been facing resistance and they will have to face more conflicts in the future as well,
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if anything is totally clear at this point it is that there is no military solution to any of this, for either side. if the palestinians want to continue "resisting" by shooting rockets at civilians and provoking massive retaliatory military operations because of their totally ridiculous fantasy of "a region that no longer includes jews", they are only prolonging their own suffering, which no one, including israel, has any interest in seeing.
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something is certain finding a practical peaceful solution to this conflict requires active involvement of Israeli Jews and Palestinians as well,
apart from accusing each other and quoting the history ,at the end of the day I think every one wants to raise their kids in
a calm safe atmosphere , I just wanted to point out the importance of a comprehensive awareness of long term consequences of current attitude of some Jews which could be detrimental for their future,
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OK, well i'm sure that they would appreciate your "concern for their future" as iranian concern for their well-being appears in general to be quite rare... as far as the rest of your post goes, i think we may finally agree! and not only that, but you claim to be an iranian shia, and believe it or not, i am an american jew!! maybe we each are not so "evil and satanic" after all if we can both agree that everyone in the region must be proactive for peace. we are all human beings: NO ONE WANTS WAR.
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on one thing you are right, now Jews are living in Israel as well as other ethnic groups,
what your answer would be, if you were asked ,What the name of this place where you are living had been prior to 1948?
who had been the main inhabitants of this area prior to1948?
Iran has suggested many times for the establishment of a multi-ethnic state comprising both Jews and non-Jews as a peaceful solution ,
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there are countless examples whether they be india/pakistan, yugoslavia, cyprus, etc where countries consisting of different ethnic groups that openly dislike each other end up just getting torn apart by civil war until the country inevitably breaks up... in an ideal world perhaps it would be a pleasant idea, but it is not practical at all. The only feasible solution at this point is the two-state solution... two independent countries coexisting peacefully.
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I wish Jews could be more pragmatic and could care about their fate, just ask yourself why on earth people should hate someone? is it because of the colour of Israeli flag or is because people get annoyed if someone constantly commit genocide and threat neighbours with military action,?
just think of it, don't Jews in Israel wish to live under different circumstances without having to keep intimidating other nations?
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do you honestly think israel enjoys "committing genocide" (a pretty questionable accusation) and threatening its neighbors with military action?... It is a country of 5 million people that has been constantly surrounded by countries who have been openly threatening to "finish hitler's work and drive them all into the sea" for the last 60 years... are they really "aggressively warmongering" or could they instead just be refusing their neighbors desires that they just roll over and die?...

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