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Cultivated complexity is a shield behind which ideologues and elitists who fear accountability hide behind. Oversimplification is for people who seek answers without explanation. The primary mission of a teacher is to use explanation to remove complexity and obfuscation.

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"... The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."

"In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted, as a Jew the priviliege of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolisation. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary."

"Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, ie in our evalutations of human behaviour. What separates us are only intellectual 'props' and `rationalisation' in Freud's language. Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things."

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ceresWar (1 week ago)
kingspider1000: infinite simply means arbitrarily large. it kinda has nothing to do with God or amounts of information in the brain.
allan3141 (1 week ago)
What comment(s) did npage85 block?
kingspider1000 (1 month ago)
by infinity one understands limitlessness. i suppose limitless is the word i should have used. there, no more confusion.
kingspider1000 (1 month ago)
again, logic is subject to information that may vary from one entity to another or one mechanism to another.
can u be called logical if u want to understand how a rocket works with the mechanism of a bicycle?
can u be called logical if you never saw electric eels and said they cannot exist since living things cannot produce electric shocks ?

so logic is dependent upon the volume of information one may receive.
if we are aware of that, we must also be aware of the fact that logic is not confined within our frame of thinking or whatever we know so far.
websnarf (1 month ago)
@kingspider1000: I can grasp infinity without any difficulty whatsoever. It is a straightforward concept. Infinity does not mean unceasing and limitless in every possible way. It means "not finite". Look it up. For any given infinity, one can construct a larger one using a simple procedure. Any given infinity can be measured -- in fact that's how you differentiate between them.
websnarf (1 month ago)
A mind that has no ability to apply logic will never have any relationship with intellect. I did not say I rely *only* on evidence. When it comes to claims about reality I require at *MINIMUM* the presentation of evidence.

To believe something only requires that you standards are low enough. Having an imagination or appreciation of the abstract is not what is at issue here. Being open to possibilities is not logic, thats called heuristic. Logic dictates what possibilities you *CANNOT* accept because they are contradictory or inconsistent.
kingspider1000 (1 month ago)
infinity cannot be grasped. and no multiple things cnnot be infinite in their own right. there are not many infinities, since infinite means unceasing and limitless in every possible way. if there were many then the question of them ceasing somewhere would come up. and therefore they would not be infinite.

infinity cannot be measured.
kingspider1000 (1 month ago)
how nice of you to stop by.

a mind that relies solely on evidence is poor and starved of intellect. our minds can enable us to accept things that we may not grasp yet. we do not necessarily need evidence to believe things exist that are outside the pale of our simple understanding. it is also logical to accept that since the mind isnt familiar with everyting thats out there, that it should remain impartial to the many possibilities that exist.

one may not understand the mechanisms of a rocket with the aid of the knowledge ofthe mechanism of a bicycle.
websnarf (1 month ago)
@kingspider1000: Your very poor grasp of infinity is an example of why I cannot accept god. I could not lower myself to that level ignorance. Infinity, by definition, CANNOT be singular. I suggest you research this. Your statements about multiplicity is complete psychobabble which I cannot reconcile with anything approximating logic.
websnarf (1 month ago)
Anyone who ignores evidence can find any concept easily acceptable. I don't suffer from that problem. As I said, *I* have no concept of god beyond recognizing it as other people's delusions. Yours is no different. Not I, nor anyone needs a god delusion to see reality. It is a superfluous and nonsensical idea, that cannot but hamper any understanding of anything. Falling under a god delusion will not help you understand the limits of what you can know. It can only force you to surrender what you *do* know for no good reason whatsoever.
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