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spiritring
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2 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
The idea that because the energy of the universe BALANCES OUT, that therefore NOTHING exist is absurd. It's like saying:
"If I go on a round trip journey where the return leg EXACTLY retraces the outbound leg THEN, my net motion is ZERO therefore I HAVEN'T GONE ANYWHERE!"~
That is the silly boo...
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spiritring
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2 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@Xgya2000 "Not an absolute beginning" it is the beginning of the universe not an explosion from a preexisting space BUT the expansion of SPACE itself. Ultimately, space shrinks down back in time for Byrs to a singularity where there is no space no time no matter etc. The quantum fluctuation you'r...
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spiritring
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2 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@Xgya2000 "It isn't a worldview as much as not believing in dragons isn't a worldview." right but lack of belief in that the planetary system is a HELIOCENTRIC model because people believe it is a GEOCENTRIC model =/= 0 BOP. The same goes for atheism. People are atheist for a lot of different con...
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spiritring
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2 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@Xgya2000 "Not for infinity." Then this goes back to winning the big bang modal which is a absolute beginning.
"You used the sand and hole argument." ~ right.
"Sand+Hole = no sand and no hole" so you're saying that just because their total is zero means there's no sand and hole to add? What abo...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@Xgya2000 "the math shows that this Universe would spawn only if a Universe wasn't present at the time" ~ those universes would expand also. Does given an infinitely old primordial vacuum, infinitely old universes would expand and thereby COLLIDE and CO-ALES with each other.
"You started without...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@Xgya2000 "lacking a belief cannot lead to anything. It shouldn't be so." thus lack of belief OMITS all true science.
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
~How is it though that we aren't observing an infinitely old universe if within ANY finite interval of time there is a positive probability of such a fluctuation occurring, at any point in space.
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@Xgya2000 "total energy present is equal to zero" ~ how is this so. Saying that I have equal amount of depts and equal amount of money does not mean that I have no money. Equal amount of hole and sand =/= no sand or hole.
"math seems to point towards a simple quantum fluctuation" ~ the problem w...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@Xgya2000 "Care to explain how a rock can be exposed to a belief?" ~ I don't need to explain this since I did not claim it could be. Atheism is a view which a being holds. Rocks are non- beings.
"can we agree rocks are nonbelievers?" ~ creating a fallacy. rocks are non beings. "non -believers" a...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
My Final Conclusion:
Atheism as a mere lack of belief = no reason, non discovery, and no science
Atheism as a claim of contradiction = burden of proof. Going to deny supernatural? Prove 2nd chioice:
A disprove the big bang which destroys hope for the universe's necessary existence = eternal.
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "More fallacious arguments" - I am not even giving an argument. God is basic view. Is the universe just there? With the absence of argument the cause for universe "God" complements OTHER explanations. NOT gap it. ON the other hand NO CAUSE for the universe is no answer at all. Moreover...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "Shifting the burden of proof is fallacious." That's what you do after you dodge atheism as a person who maintains a claim of knowledge and contradict the majority. What's even worse is you're to put the majority on the spot light. In reality it is the minority who needs to sustain the...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "Claiming an argument is true" ~ which argument again? I'm barely doing an effort. It is you who forces people to give evidence for their properly basic view. Prove to me this: "There is no evidence/pointers/indicators to God" - this is what I call ad hock reasoning or "to bits" circul...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "Evidence to support your claims is unforthcoming."~ reiteration.
"Yes, it was an appeal to the majority." ~ it was an appeal to falsifying this idea that we're the one making claim on the spot light when in fact you're the minority who proclaims contradictions and on the trail...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "Because there is no evidence" ~ it is you who claim that. All you got to show is falsify A. Design as possible explanation for the ~ special fine tuning property special enough that any slight changes to the quantities and values of the parameters of the universe will result to 1 in 1...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "evidence for themselves" - absolutely evidence for the BEGINNING of the universe AND that the universe possible explanation is DESIGN. but as you say, "only" - not only.
"The text is what it is." the text is what it is but interpretations OF IT may not EQUAL it. That's why there aris...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "it is 'reason'" - you claim that reason points to atheism which is bias. Lack of belief as you say is actually a condition. Just like the self refutation of you says "scurvy" was actually a property which generated by lack of vitamin C. - This falls against you for eg - lack of chari...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "Don't be surprised if people are sceptical" - especially skeptical of the new atheist claims eg ~ chance resulted everything - multiverse - metaphysics - subjectivism etc.
"you and others" which are the majority hold the view BASIC and PROPER while you AS THE minority kept trying to ...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "It was reasonable" - Why can't it be reasonable as you say for modern man including modern astronomers and cosmologist to RECOGNIZE such a Divine Being. Although this is an independent of claims. It's a view that is properly grounded and pondered upon by human a every parts of time.
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@gabea23 out of nothing nothing goes. so i think the claim, "There is no God" would eliminate a possible RATIONAL cause for such a temporal reality. Also though why do atheist kept dodging dark energy eg susskind
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@crosbying look at kid levisi
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
Atheism is a contradictory claim and doesn't evade requirement for absolute evidence. "Death does not exist" shows contradictions therefore it may be required of positive evidence for it. Simply implying lack evidence that galaxies exist just because I have no telescope in the 1800s does not show...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "Back to square one." - I think not. I'm introducing specific comparisons now.
"What is the evidence..." - this one is back to square one.
"What is the evidence..." - Again...
"I've asked similar approx. 7 times" - you've been answered and what layman approach to induce Verification...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "you haven't given evidence" - only for someone who seek absolute evidence but there are reasonable strong POINTERS.
"to throw doubt on a different theory" - I did not contradict any theories at all. If there is one it would be the steady state theory.
"We simply don't know" lack of...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "you haven't given evidence" - only for someone who seek absolute evidence but there are reasonable strong POINTERS.
"to throw doubt on a different theory" - I did not contradict any theories at all. If there is one it would be the steady state theory.
"We simply don't know" simply st...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "I rarely hold positions of certainty." How could you be certain though. There is NO absolute agnosticism. It's impossible for one to complete HAVE zero beliefs/views. You hold aggressively these types of things which are self explanatory:
1. evidentialism - basing everything on abso...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "I rarely hold positions of certainty." How could you be certain though. There is n absolute agnosticism. It's impossible for one to complete HAVE zero beliefs/views. You hold aggressively these types of things which are self explanatory:
1. evidentialism - basing everything on absol...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@spiritring in that case you can never be rational even in believing in the reality of the physical world since you can literally give NO absolute evidence of anything. Maybe all these "physical" realities are really just an illusion of a mind or a matrix. We've got tons of examples of that in Qu...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@spiritring ... in addition I'm saying - GIVEN THAT kind of evidence, it makes it more probable. WITHIN the statement I am assigning the word "possible" in conjunction to it's NON - contradictions of it's criteria. THAT in contrast is the difference from METAPHYSICALISM. It is physicalism to say...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@jaieet "*is* technically freedom from religion" - It's completely different. We're not the soviet union where no religion is permitted at all.
1987 Supreme Court ruling made the point of this:
- Guarantee freedom of religion not freedom FROM reigion
On science, basically regardless of the the...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "So a 'spirit' is a 'person'...?" - you can't even debate subjects you're ignorant of.
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi "What you would seem to be giving is assumption only..." I suggest I pointed you to conclusions of your fellow atheists.
"Your argument has progressed from" in what sense? Those were necessary implications.
"To christianity" - My discussion is with the other kid who talked about musl...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@Mejuz "I gotta run." good.
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@Mejuz "well, I'd say I've come across easier or more appropriate examples..." it would be easier for you to quote what points you are referring at. You can't write. Your ideas scatters around the place.
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@jaieet "refusing and refuting new information based on emotional strain or attachment *is*..."
Same as what donlevisi is doing. I am giving new information while completely ignoring base on the fact that supernatural was the case and theism is not restricted on science. There is a freedom of re...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@Mejuz "I await clarification on the porn example" - what gives it necessity for elaboration
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
sanctifying grace - the title to salvation is peculiarly the grace of those who are united to Christ and the Church. ~ The primary basis of those actual graces which God bestows upon those outside the Church is to draw them within the field.
Even if God saves apart from the Church, He does so by...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@Mejuz sanctifying grace - the title to salvation is peculiarly the grace of those who are united to Christ and the Church. ~ The primary basis of those actual graces which God bestows upon those outside the Church is to draw them within the field.
Even if God saves apart from the Church, He doe...
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@spiritring epistemology
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@Mejuz "and is its language so much cleaner than my little f?? ;-)" I require you by minimum to debate the subject if you are going to reply. You are writing a shake's spearan book while I'm addressing intellectual properties on my position on moral truths.
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@DonLeVisi what I'm giving are scientific POINTERS not bad science. I am not withholding myself to the term creationism which you've accused me earlier. And you don't really have the scientific data or mind to understand nor oppose those
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@jaieet "The rationale behind open-mindedness is *not* what you believe in," are you putting: my beliefs cannot be as of an open mind? You are already assuming a bias. Not only that is ridiculous you completely refuted yourself
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@Mejuz The Holy Spirit can draw anyone outside the church through a spiritual communion. They are joined within the church though not to it's body. This doctrine of absolute necessity should never be confused upon those who suffer willful disobedience upon such graces
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spiritring
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3 months ago
Lack of belief in gods
Explaining the concept, refuting common objections and giving a number of reasons that atheists are sometimes 'fervent'.
@XXGDUBSXX Define religion first. I bet you're interpreting it to a generalized antagonistic manner. An example of a person with religious experience is one who has a genuine sanctifying grace from the Holy Spirit. One who has a genuine religious experience cannot be evil as oppose to one who has...
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WHICH ONE IS MORE MORAL? FOOTBALL OR BASKETBALL!? WE'LL I SAY THAT IS THE POINT. IF MORALITY IS ROOTED AT HUMAN INVENTION, BREAKING LAWS SUCH AS THOUGH SHALL NOT COVET YOUR NEIGHBOR, WILL MERELY BE THE SAME AS TRAVELING FOUL OR A FOUL IN FOOTBALL. ROFL DON'T KNOW ABOUT FOOTBALL BUT FAIL ARGUMENT ...
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@HeyHeyHarmonicaLuke or an ocean of spacetime - big bang though is tested and you know vacuum fluctuations cannot occur when space itself was not present. It is no explosion at all on a pre - existing space RATHER the expansion of space itself. The other options are string models which are the on...
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For this reason most cosmologists think of the initial singularity as the beginning of the universe. On this view the big bang represents the creation event; the creation not only of all the matter and energy in the universe, but also of spacetime itself." ~ P. C. W. Davies.
Are you saying, the...
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@mcmadbat3 "The other 3 forces are explained by the standard model and not by einstein." Did I say it support it? Does Einstein have nothing to do with the big bang? "If we extrapolate this prediction to its extreme, we reach a point when all distances in the universe have shrunk to zero. An in...
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@mcmadbat3 it is Einstein that supported the Big Bang started by George Lamatre a Jesuit scholar.
Also No where in Einstein's theorem indicates an eternal "singularity".
Space time theorems are growing in generality and in number.
If the universe is expanding then it can't be at state of rest ...
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