your kiddin!!! i cant get download off work, thats a bitch. i really hoped to see them some time soon but i guess they'll be one of those bands that will only tour England at festivals. Yeah ive watched them on a few vids on you tube of when some of them were part of the van halen tribute act, the guitarist does it perfectly, and at the same time plays some funny stuff like doh a dear etc lol. thanks for the info, altho im more miffed than pleased lol coz il god damn miss them