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Bully in the Alley [522-523] (381-382)

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Two bullies wid a bully fine song.

I know of only 2 sources that document the use/existence of this chantey. One is Cecil Sharp's book (1914), where he has taken down a version, with quite a different form, from the Englishman John Short of Watchet. An insight offered by Tom Brown, who has been working on a project related to Short's chanteys, is that this was close to a cotton-stower's song form. Sharp collected three verses--not even verses really, just phrases. [Edit: more sources studied since this was first recorded, including the Carpenter Collection.]

Hugill is the other collector, who got it from Caribbean chanteyman Harry Lauder of St. Lucia. The presentation and wording of his text seem to imply that Hugill was not very familiar with the song, nor did he use it, but that he merely collected it (3 verses) from Lauder. He lists it as a halyard chantey.

Later on, Stan Hugill recorded "Bully in the Alley" with Stormalong John. Unfortunately, I've not heard that recording. I wonder what percentage of performers have. Actually, a recording of it was pioneered, I believe, by the group The Starboard List in 1977. Nowadays, it has ~really~ gone around, and entered the world of the Disney and yo ho ho crowd. Unlike the documented versions, these performers repeat the lyrics of the first verse as if it were a refrain, throughout. I am a little bit put off just by the fact that all the popular versions are so alike; here's an effort to revert back to some of the traits in the original.

Because so few lyrics have been given in the sources, the typical practice has been to utilize couplets from "Sally Brown" -- of course, each performer's take on this will be different.

Please check out the whole chanteys project playlist, at
http://www.youtube.com/view...
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Two bullies wid a bully fine song.

I know of only 2 sources that document the use/existence of this chantey. One is Cecil Sharp's book (1914), where he has taken down a version, with quite a different form, from the Englishman John Short of Watchet. An insight offered by Tom Brown, who has been working on a project related to Short's chanteys, is that this was close to a cotton-stower's song form. Sharp collected three verses--not even verses really, just phrases. [Edit: more sources studied since this was first recorded, including the Carpenter Collection.]

Hugill is the other collector, who got it from Caribbean chanteyman Harry Lauder of St. Lucia. The presentation and wording of his text seem to imply that Hugill was not very familiar with the song, nor did he use it, but that he merely collected it (3 verses) from Lauder. He lists it as a halyard chantey.

Later on, Stan Hugill recorded "Bully in the Alley" with Stormalong John. Unfortunately, I've not heard that recording. I wonder what percentage of performers have. Actually, a recording of it was pioneered, I believe, by the group The Starboard List in 1977. Nowadays, it has ~really~ gone around, and entered the world of the Disney and yo ho ho crowd. Unlike the documented versions, these performers repeat the lyrics of the first verse as if it were a refrain, throughout. I am a little bit put off just by the fact that all the popular versions are so alike; here's an effort to revert back to some of the traits in the original.

Because so few lyrics have been given in the sources, the typical practice has been to utilize couplets from "Sally Brown" -- of course, each performer's take on this will be different.

Please check out the whole chanteys project playlist, at
http://www.youtube.com/view... Show less

Pt. 1 of Shanties from the 7 Seas Play

Pawn yer boots an' clothes and ship around the Horn. Along the way you'll meet the Creole gal know as "Sally Brown," "Shallow Brown," "Salambo," or "Shenandoah." You'll see places like Valaparaiso, Callao, several Rios, the Plains of Mexico, Mobile Bay (wuz yiz ever screwin' cotton there?), New Bedford, Boston, Newfoundland, Liverpool, London Town, Hong Kong, South Australia, Ilo, and Hilo. Everywhere, it seems, the judies got no combs, but haul away and make yer pay, and soon you'll be in Such-n-such Bay!

Details:
A quasi-systematic project of recording examples of ALL the sea chanteys (shanties) in Stan Hugill's book of the same title. The text compendium contains "over 400 shanties," and Hugill was one of the last living working chanteymen aboard merchant sailing vessels, who was responsible for keeping alive much know-how of chantey-singing after the days off sail had ended.

Page numbers in [brackets] correspond to the original edition of 1961, while numbers in (parentheses) refer to the abridged Mystic Seaport edition of 1994.

PART 1 [45-142] [currently viewing] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL58B55DD66F22060C
PART 2 [143-251] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9182743BD3FD6DA2
PART 3 [253-351] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1CE70F6ACA19402A
PART 4 [353-477] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL30864020BA60C2F6
PART 5 [479-589] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE6C6D53217D87989
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Pt. 2 of Shanties from the 7 Seas Play

Pawn yer boots an' clothes and ship around the Horn. Along the way you'll meet the Creole gal know as "Sally Brown," "Shallow Brown," "Salambo," or "Shenandoah." You'll see places like Valaparaiso, Callao, several Rios, the Plains of Mexico, Mobile Bay (wuz yiz ever screwin' cotton there?), New Bedford, Boston, Newfoundland, Liverpool, London Town, Hong Kong, South Australia, Ilo, and Hilo. Everywhere, it seems, the judies got no combs, but haul away and make yer pay, and soon you'll be in Such-n-such Bay!

Details:
A quasi-systematic project of recording examples of ALL the sea chanteys (shanties) in Stan Hugill's book of the same title. The text compendium contains "over 400 shanties," and Hugill was one of the last living working chanteymen aboard merchant sailing vessels, who was responsible for keeping alive much know-how of chantey-singing after the days off sail had ended.

Page numbers in [brackets] correspond to the original edition of 1961, while numbers in (parentheses) refer to the abridged Mystic Seaport edition of 1994.

PART 1 [45-142] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL58B55DD66F22060C
PART 2 [143-251] [currently viewing] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9182743BD3FD6DA2
PART 3 [253-351] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1CE70F6ACA19402A
PART 4 [353-477] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL30864020BA60C2F6
PART 5 [479-589] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE6C6D53217D87989
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Pt. 3 of Shanties from the 7 Seas Play

Pawn yer boots an' clothes and ship around the Horn. Along the way you'll meet the Creole gal know as "Sally Brown," "Shallow Brown," "Salambo," or "Shenandoah." You'll see places like Valaparaiso, Callao, several Rios, the Plains of Mexico, Mobile Bay (wuz yiz ever screwin' cotton there?), New Bedford, Boston, Newfoundland, Liverpool, London Town, Hong Kong, South Australia, Ilo, and Hilo. Everywhere, it seems, the judies got no combs, but haul away and make yer pay, and soon you'll be in Such-n-such Bay!

Details:
A quasi-systematic project of recording examples of ALL the sea chanteys (shanties) in Stan Hugill's book of the same title. The text compendium contains "over 400 shanties," and Hugill was one of the last living working chanteymen aboard merchant sailing vessels, who was responsible for keeping alive much know-how of chantey-singing after the days off sail had ended.

Page numbers in [brackets] correspond to the original edition of 1961, while numbers in (parentheses) refer to the abridged Mystic Seaport edition of 1994.

PART 1 [45-142] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL58B55DD66F22060C
PART 2 [143-251] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9182743BD3FD6DA2
PART 3 [253-351] [currently viewing] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1CE70F6ACA19402A
PART 4 [353-477] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL30864020BA60C2F6
PART 5 [479-589] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE6C6D53217D87989
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Pt. 4 of Shanties from the 7 Seas Play

Pawn yer boots an' clothes and ship around the Horn. Along the way you'll meet the Creole gal know as "Sally Brown," "Shallow Brown," "Salambo," or "Shenandoah." You'll see places like Valaparaiso, Callao, several Rios, the Plains of Mexico, Mobile Bay (wuz yiz ever screwin' cotton there?), New Bedford, Boston, Newfoundland, Liverpool, London Town, Hong Kong, South Australia, Ilo, and Hilo. Everywhere, it seems, the judies got no combs, but haul away and make yer pay, and soon you'll be in Such-n-such Bay!

Details:
A quasi-systematic project of recording examples of ALL the sea chanteys (shanties) in Stan Hugill's book of the same title. The text compendium contains "over 400 shanties," and Hugill was one of the last living working chanteymen aboard merchant sailing vessels, who was responsible for keeping alive much know-how of chantey-singing after the days off sail had ended.

Page numbers in [brackets] correspond to the original edition of 1961, while numbers in (parentheses) refer to the abridged Mystic Seaport edition of 1994.

PART 1 [45-142] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL58B55DD66F22060C
PART 2 [143-251] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9182743BD3FD6DA2
PART 3 [253-351] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1CE70F6ACA19402A
PART 4 [353-477] [currently viewing] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL30864020BA60C2F6
PART 5 [479-589] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE6C6D53217D87989
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Pt. 5 of Shanties from the 7 Seas Play

Pawn yer boots an' clothes and ship around the Horn. Along the way you'll meet the Creole gal know as "Sally Brown," "Shallow Brown," "Salambo," or "Shenandoah." You'll see places like Valaparaiso, Callao, several Rios, the Plains of Mexico, Mobile Bay (wuz yiz ever screwin' cotton there?), New Bedford, Boston, Newfoundland, Liverpool, London Town, Hong Kong, South Australia, Ilo, and Hilo. Everywhere, it seems, the judies got no combs, but haul away and make yer pay, and soon you'll be in Such-n-such Bay!

Details:
A quasi-systematic project of recording examples of ALL the sea chanteys (shanties) in Stan Hugill's book of the same title. The text compendium contains "over 400 shanties," and Hugill was one of the last living working chanteymen aboard merchant sailing vessels, who was responsible for keeping alive much know-how of chantey-singing after the days off sail had ended.

Page numbers in [brackets] correspond to the original edition of 1961, while numbers in (parentheses) refer to the abridged Mystic Seaport edition of 1994.

PART 1 [45-142] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL58B55DD66F22060C
PART 2 [143-251] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9182743BD3FD6DA2
PART 3 [253-351] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1CE70F6ACA19402A
PART 4 [353-477] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL30864020BA60C2F6
PART 5 [479-589] [currently viewing] http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE6C6D53217D87989
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Other Chanties and Sailor Songs Play

I've have recorded renditions of all the songs in Hugill's _Shanties from the Seven Seas_, and unique items in teh Carpenter Collection. However, there are some chanties that escaped Hugill's net, and found in other sources, and certainly many many non-chanty sailor songs. This is a place to gather those 'extras' which I have done.

For the other playlists of chanties please see the following links:
PART 1 http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL58B55DD66F22060C
PART 2 http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9182743BD3FD6DA2
PART 3 http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1CE70F6ACA19402A
PART 4 http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL30864020BA60C2F6
PART 5 http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE6C6D53217D87989
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Caribbean Chanties and Songs Play

A suppliment to my other chanty collection playlists, this contains items that are notably "Caribbean." They may not be exclusively Caribbean. Nor does this set contain the many more chanties that may be of Caribbean origin, in other playlists. Without drawing a Venn diagram, let's just say these are Caribbean style songs that are not included in other playlists of my channel...and especially those where I do my corny attempt at Caribbean English accents...!
The sources for these songs include the books or archives of Horace Beck, Roger Abrahams, Alan Lomax, and F.P. Harlow.
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Carpenter Collection Chanties Play

This list contains renditions of chanties found in the James Madison Carpenter Collection, but which are not (or which are not in these significant variant versions) found primarily elsewhere. It complements my 5 playlists of chanties and songs from Stan Hugill's _Shanties from the Seven Seas_, these being items (/item variants) that did not occur in Hugill's volume.
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