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Cont. January 14, 2012: Alan Chambers received applause for the comments. Yet in an interview with Christian radio host Janet Mefferd only the day before, Chambers failed to challenge a series of remarks that characterized gays and lesbians as people in darkness, who don't know God and belong to a community at emnity with the community of God.

Conference Audio Part 1 Jan. 6 2012: http://www.gaychristian.net/au­dio/2012conversation_pt1.mp3
Conference Audio Part 2: http://www.gaychristian.net/au­dio/2012conversation_pt2.mp3

Read more on Ex-Gay Watch: http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/t­ag/alan-chambers/

January 14, 2012 - BREAKING NEWS! Things are happening within the Ex-Gay movement!

A light of hope has been lit in the otherwise infected debate between the ex-gay and LGBTQ-movement.

Exodus International President Alan Chambers is happy to affirm LGBT Christians as his brothers and sisters in Christ, at least according to his opening gambit at the GCN conference last week:

"I honestly trust [GCN leader Justin Lee], and I honestly like him, and I honestly believe that he loves Jesus and that we are brothers in Christ and that we will spend eternity together ... and because of that, the thing that brought me here first and foremost is: We're Christians, all of us. We may have diverging viewpoints ... but the thing that brings us together, the thing that causes us to even want to have this dialogue, or need to have this dialogue, is the fact that we all love Jesus. We all serve him. We serve the very same God and believe very different things".

Post #6: As part of the Saturnalia carnival throughout the 18th and 19th centuries CE, rabbis of the ghetto in Rome were forced to wear clownish outfits and march through the city streets to the jeers of the crowd, pelted by a variety of missiles. When the Jewish community of Rome sent a petition in 1836 to Pope Gregory XVI begging him to stop the annual Saturnalia abuse of the Jewish community, he responded, "It is not opportune to make any innovation." On December 25, 1881, Christian leaders whipped the Polish masses into Antisemitic frenzies that led to riots across the country. In Warzaw 12 Jews were brutally murdered, huge numbers maimed, and many Jewish women were raped. Two million rubles worth of property was destroyed.

Post #5: The ancient Greek writer, poet and historian Lucian (in his dialogue entitled Saturnalia) describes the festival's observance in his time. In addition to human sacrifice, he mentions these customs: widespread intoxication; going from house to house while singing naked; rape and other sexual license; and consuming human-shaped biscuits (still produced in some English and most German bakeries during the Christmas season, gingerbread cockies are extremely popular in Sweden!) In the 4th century CE, Christianity imported the Saturnalia festival hoping to take the pagan masses in with it. Christian leaders succeeded in converting to Christianity large numbers of pagans by promising them that they could continue to celebrate the Saturnalia as Christians. 
Have we not heard that argument before? Oh, yes, "You can still be a Jew even if you convert to Christianity", "You don't give up your Jewishness, you will become a fulfilled and accepted Jew!"

Post #4: How did Christmas come to be a Christian holiday?

Roman pagans first introduced the holiday of Saturnalia, a week long period of lawlessness celebrated between December 17-25. During this period, Roman courts were closed, and Roman law dictated that no one could be punished for damaging property or injuring people during the weeklong celebration. The festival began when Roman authorities chose "an enemy of the Roman people" to represent the "Lord of Misrule." Each Roman community selected a victim (mostly Jews) whom they forced to indulge in food and other physical pleasures throughout the week. At the festival's conclusion, December 25th, Roman authorities believed they were destroying the forces of darkness by brutally murdering this innocent man or woman.

Post #3: Alright, let me make a pause, this is not good for my blood pressure. As a former Christian, I must say that I am sad and disappointed when representatives of the largest religion in the world, Christendom, with 2.2 billion followers, still harbor contempt against certain people, because of certain properties they have not been able to influence. During Chanukah, we have been reminded of important events in Jewish history, but I've also thought a lot about Christianity's early history.

It's of most importance that we learn about the early history of Christianity, without judgement, because the reason is not to scapegoat Christianity's early history as more sinister than any other ideology or religion, but the Christian history has distinguished itself for being filled with an almost Pharisaic eagerness to convert people to Christianity.

Post #2: Bradley Manning has been held in custody since July 2010, a solitary confinement, that even Amnesty International called harsh and punitive. Just before this Christmas the case came up to court again, and Mannings defender stated in news media on December 19, 2011, that it was Mannings being gay and confused over his homosexuality combined with the pressure under "Don't Ask Don't Tell" that made him commit the crime. The defender also said that "Manning didn't know what sex he is". Search for more on AP news agency.

Bryan Fischer, in his news show "Focal Point" hooks on the news and dilutes addition to his anti-gay analysis, quote: "My point is that this makes ALL Homosexuals a THREAT to our NATIONAL SECURITY!"
Fischer goes on with: "They are five times more likely to have mental health issues, than heterosexuals. That is another reason why we sholuld NOT have Homosexuals in the Military!"

Post #1: I hope you all have had a wonderful Chanukah and Christmas holiday. While we have been celebrating our holidays, the war on human rights continues! Once again we see examples how some forces in the society never take a break from oppression, who made a political/religious move just before Christmas, when Bryan Fischer on the American Family Association once again spoke warmly of a holy war against homosexuals. That can be seen in a clip from his news talk show "Focal Point" on AFA Channel, associated with American Family Association, known for their anti-gay retoric. A video link follows at the end of this document.

Background: In May 2010, Bradley Manning, a gay US soldier, who was stationed in Iraq, was arrested on suspicion of coming over restricted material that he handed over to WikiLeaks. The material were among others, videos from an air strike in Iraq against civilians (the video can be found on the Internet, even here on YouTube).

Did you look at the videos I sent you?