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Videos relating to Mong (Hmong) people, culture, knowledge, etc.

When it comes to the name Mong, it can be very sensitive because many Mong are accustomed to the newer term Hmong since the last half century. This is a perfect example on how the ethnic Mong is confused about their identity and history. Before Mong are able to trace their history, they must understand where the term Hmong came from.

Some people are arguing that MongLeng went by Mong and MongDaw went by Hmong is not accurate, and that further separates the Mong people. Most Mong were originally Mong admittances (Moob Lees). MongDaw are Mong admittances as well just like Mong Leng are "White" Mong. However, many of their descendants now are classifying themselves based on the language dialect, and are claiming that they are MongDaw. Others were labeled based on their clothing colors or other differences, and are being separated such as Black Miao, Red Miao, Bai Miao, Blue Mong, etc., but most are Mong [Hmong] admittances.

The term Hmong was derived by the French term H'Mong that was used for documentation on the Mong in both Vietnam and Laos. Many adopted it as they were educated in the past. The French Catholic missionaries had done great things for the Mong, but their teaching had developed the term Mong into Hmong. Many also took on the newer idea that their main ancestors were San Miao without carefully studying Mong history. They mistakenly intepreted ancient Miao history for Mong which caused great damage to the Mong history. E.g. The term "Miao ren" was translated into "Hmong" and people are inserting "Hmong" in replacing ancient Miao [Mán] history that was wrongfully used to teach younger generations.

Not all Miao history was Mong history, and don't mistake that Mong and Hmong are different. They are different transliterations for the same people. The term Mong & its people existed very early in pre-China history, and they were Hmong's primary ancestors.
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Miao history: Miao was originally a given name to the majority people living to the south of the Yellow River Area as San Miao. Secondly, it was labeled on Guizhou rebels including Yi, Yao , Dong, and other rebel ethnics (Zhu Miao) by early Ming government. Since the Emperor Shunzhi's time up until the end of Qing Empire, the inhabitants in Guizhou were generally called Miao.

For examples, during the late 14th century, the people of Guizhou areas were generally known as Mán Yi ('Mab Yi'). They were also being labeled as Miao Mán ('Mab'), Zhu Miao, and related terms. During the Emperor Zhū Jiànshēn's time, the rebels at Duyun areas were called "Black Miao"; those at East Guizhou areas were called "Raw Miao"; and other times these Raw Miao were being referred to as "Dong thief", which was the Dong nationality. The indigenous, west to those areas, were called Miao Min or Yi Min. During Emperor Zhū Yòutáng's time, the "Miao Thief" was the ancient Yi in southwest of China . Later, these Guizhou inhabitants were also known as Yi Zi, Zhu Yi, Duó Zhū Zhài Miao, Wu Zhong Miao Yi, Kaili Liu Miao, the Tian Zhu Yao Miao, Miao Yi, Jiu Gu Miao Yi, and so forth.

The term Mán was used as early as Shang Dynasty for southern people of the Shang Empire, which was also the Yellow River. It then continued to be used as Southern Mán (NanMán) on various southerners such as Canton people, Yi, Bai, Dong, Yao , etc.

After Mong came to live among them and during the Mong led rebellions, those who became rebels were also grouped as Miao by the Ming and Qing officials. The Mong later inherited the name Miao; and the geographic areas of Miao were assigned accordingly to those of the Mong as they were officially classified as Miao Nationality under the People's Republic of China . Mong were also miss-grouped as the Southern Man (Maab) in certain writings.

Those who lost the Mong roots accepted the term Miao and are promoting it for the Mong, which is inaccurate.

These are just some examples that not all Miao history are Mong history. I hope they will broaden your knowledge and guide those who are interested in Mong [Hmong] history to the right path.

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hmongprecious (2 weeks ago)
Hey HmongUniverse. Pom koj cov video txog suav teb mas nco tshaj plaws li. Kuv tau mus ncig suav teb ob zaug tabsi tsis tau mus txog kom pom hmoob zov. Kuv mus txog rau Kaili thiab Xijiang thiab Lei Shan tabsi tsis tau mus nrog cov uas paub yus hos lus tham kiag. Kuv cia siab tias lwm zaum yuav tau rov mus kom pom kiag cov zov hmoob.
HmongUniverse (2 months ago)
Hi mncakid100, there are existing Mong communities in China that are still claiming that their ancestors came from the north and northeast. Their claim is concurrently being looked at and likely to be true. Yet, China history continued to assign ancient Miao history to the Mong. About gun invention and gun power, that could originated from both Mong and people of China. Mong were actually being forced out into the north and northeast and it is a complex history that is still an ongoing study. Thanks for your question.
mncakid100 (3 months ago)
about china being hmong's primary ancestor, is that right? Cause from what i hear from my great grandma, hmong were originally the owners of the north-eastern part of china and we originally invented gun powder. It was only until somebody betrayed us that the chinese got into our territory and massacred us.
HmongUniverse (3 months ago)
ElizYaj, you are right, Mong needs to make the best out of the writing system and not to tie Mong down. ***It is not about complaining of the French writing system, but it is about knowing where "Hmong" came from. I hope Mong individuals (whether students, professors, PHDs) will take the courage to unite the Mong [Hmong] so they do not lose their history. It does not matter whether the spelling Mong or Hmong is used, but it does mater when Hmong are saying Mong is not their history but San Miao. Mong also had their own writing systems but were lost throughout the wars.
ElizYaj (3 months ago)
We should just all go by Hmoob. -_- Our people have no written language that predates the Chinese so the difference between Mong and Hmong is like the tootsie pop commercials, "No one may ever know." The french created our alphabet and writing for us. We can't complain about it. We just have to make the best of it.
123comp (4 months ago)
I suddenly have a yearning to travel to China and Laos and learn about my people's past
ywjxing (4 months ago)
great channel. i learned a lot. post more !!!
biklikbala (7 months ago)
Mong = Hmong as the "H" no sound, and Miao is insult terms for Mong
HmongUniverse (11 months ago)
Tubhmoobmiskas, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I am arguing that Mong & Hmong are the same. The difference between my argument and Ywj Pheej's is that Hmong's main ancestor is not Miao but Mong (Mo, Mu, Amo, Amu, etc). Ywj Pheej is arguing that Hmong are direct people from San Miao and those who go by Mong are depriving from Hmong. You may agree with him, but that is theory & speculations about Mong. My argument is based on Mong's culture, religion, custom, legendaries and their roots. I hope we can close the gap of disagreement about Mong's main ancestors and hope Mong do not lose their true history.
tubhmoobmiskas (1 year ago)
In fact, no one knows for sure whether Hmong derived from Mong or vice versa. Anyone who claimes to know the truth about this matter would have a hard time to prove it, and it's risky to the person's status, especially if he/she is a scholar. I wouldn't speak of any highly controversial issue such as this one if I'm a Hmong scholar. Anyway, FYI, go to mothem.com and listen to Ywj Pheej ( Peb Yog Tib Tug Hmoob) to see what you think. What he said make more sense to me than your claim here, unless you are talking about the spelling.
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