lol aright fine ill quit being grumpy haha you still have to agree though i had you beat because i provided more verses then you did haha, this was a fun debate though i should say, and no hard feelings friend, but can i ask of you one thing and i won't bother you no more. Can you please teach christians not to be so hard on jews because alot of them are really good people just like i know there are alot of good christians out there to. i only ask you this favor because i have been persecuted by my own family because of my beliefs and it is not a fun thing, my dad constantly tells me i need church and i need jesus, but as even you have wittnessed you can see that i am well versed in scripture. So i just ask you that favor its not to much to ask i hope.

shalom friend

We are allowed to have our OWN opinions as long as we state before hand it our own opinion. There is no exact bible verse that can back up that comment, so that's why I said "one reason I believe". OK? I didn't try to convince anyone the idea was found in scripture, allthough the *idea* can be can be explained *using* scripture. You need to lighten up! Matt 11:30 "For my yoke is pleasant and my burden is light." Why don't you try being more like Jesus and stop being so grumpy? :-) ;-) :-)

@burningmountain: its not about what i believe that doesn't even matter as far as the scriptures are concerned. i go by what the scripture says, not what i "believe" it says as you do.

@2011AeonFlux Im quite knowledgeable about the bible ive been studying it for 5 years, after i left christianity. the leviathan if you do your research is a whale not a dragon, and if you use your common sense the sword is a weapon to wage war, as so jesus says i come not to bring peace but a sword. In other words he came to disperse the believers from the non believer. In those days there were many false messiahs thats why alot of them were discarded including jesus, the jews do not believe in jesus because he did not fulfill any of the messianic prophecies, also he could not have been the messiah because it says the messiah would be a son of adam in other words a "human being" but jesus was half god half human so its impossible that he was anything close to the messiah. and god is not a noun it is a verb. hence the true name, eyeh asher eyeh, i will be that which will be. shalom.

@burningmountain: you should stop filling peoples head with false prophecies, so what happens when jesus doesn't come back? then what will people do, unlike you im not out to make converts to judaism, only to spread the truth about what scripture teaches and not even by my own words, and no it is not that i don't like what i hear but that it is unscriptural what you say, thats my biggest problem and then you go out and fill peoples heads with these things because thats what christians job is right to evangelize? so how am i hurting anyone by telling them what the scriptures teach? weather you accept it or not thats your problem im not tryring to convert you. im only stating the facts. shalom.

PEOPLE GET READY JESUS CHRIST IS COMING SOON!!! (LIKE NEXT 5-10 YEARS) OMG I CAN JUST FEEL IT IN MY BONES!!!! :-D

You probably know more about the Bible than I do but I know God is a Fiery Dragon, Shapeshifting from Spirit to Flesh. It says in my Bible he used his Sword to Cook the Dragon or Leviathan in the Sea. Sword and Cooked doesn't make since so it must not be the Sword with the same meaning. The Bible is consider a Sword, also the Sword is concerned in the Bible as a Plague, No offense to the Bible, The Sword is also Considered in this case a Fiery Weapon. What uses Fire as a Weapon - Hmm a Fire Breathing Dragon. So God must be a Dragon or can Shapeshift into one. But I just believe he's a Dragon so was the Devil...Good Dragon vs Evil Dragon. What is so hard to understand?

"every christian that i have ever debated can never give me any straight answers"

They give you answers, the problem it seems is you don't like what you're hearing because it goes against what you believe. Now there's nothing wrong with that in it self, but you should learn to deal with people with out your emotions getting in the way. You can't force people to believe what you want them to believe, that ultimately ends up with shed blood. Stay calm and remember, to gain respect you must show it. Good bye.

you can't use the Tanach anymore just discard it then? what would happen if only the new testament existed and there was no tanach? hmmmm were did jesus get these ideas from? whats he talking about this law? what is the law for that he speaks so much about? you see if the tanach did not exist your christianity would not exist. further more christianity is not mentioned ANYWERE in the bible, were as the word jew and judah exist almost everywere in the "bible" and thats besides the fact that all the first chritians were infact jews. oh and if joshua was the ultimate sacrifice and sacrifices ended then why did paul make a sacrifice after jesus death? also why did shaul change his name to a pagan name like paul? and please answer the rest of my questions, because i know you can't answer them and explain it logically. hashem gabe me a brain for a reason.

what you have done is gave me nothing but YOUR OWN words of what you think of the new testament...the real joshua "jesus" was born of a roman father and his mother marry. he was born out of iniquity. like i said g-d can not be born. and you still haven't answered anything. you just went on a rant about how you feel what the new testament says, every christian that i have ever debated can never give me any straight answers. you use your own words because there is no bases for these claims in the new testament, and you have confirmed that you don't believe anything in the "old testament" says. paul and jesus are the anti christs.