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ItaliansAreBrown (8 months ago)
The "Barbarian" invasions are hardly comparable to actual immigration. Once again you fail to understand the crucial difference between a militrary/religious invasion/intervention, which does not require large numbers of people. Yet another example:

"The Normans were always a tiny minority, who succeeded by a complex process of marriage, political alliance and outright conquest." - John France, "The Crusades and the expansion of Catholic Christendom, 1000-1714", Taylor & Francis, 2005. Page 27.

The majority of the slaves, conscripts, mercenaries and immigrants in Roman Italy were clearly from North Africa and the Near East, not Europe. Read, for example, Theodor Mommsen or Tenney Frank.

They even had a whole dynasty of "Roman" emperors of such descent (the Severan Dynasty were all Syrians and North Africans.) Funny how they did not have any dynasty of "Germanic" emperors.
1wor1d (8 months ago)
@Italiansarebrown In your comments you stated the Vandals ended up in the Iberian Peninsula, this is incorrect they ended up in Carthage North Africa this is just one of your many "silly assumptions and claims"!!!
To be totally honest I don't care nor challenge your idea that "Italians are brown" it's your misleading data that I disagree with.
SLAVERY
In Ancient Rome slavery was a commodity, like any other goods they acquired their slaves from the nearest resource it makes economic sense, in Italy's case it would be Europe, in Egypts case it would be the Near East and North Africa etc.
The proof of this would be from the Third Servile War aka Spartacus a slave who was most likely Tharacian (Bulgaria), Crixus was from Gaul (France). Plutarch describes Crixus 30,000 slave soldiers as being "Germans" not Africa or Middle East. Spartacus wanted to lead his people to freedom over the Alps which is where most of his slaves soldiers were from, not Africa. CONTINUED
1wor1d (8 months ago)
Here are some quotes from authors on the seizing of European slaves.
"Julius Caesar once sold the entire population of a conquered region in Gaul, no less than 53,000 people, to slave dealers on the spot": Roman Society, Roman Life
"Gracchus killed or enslaved 80,000 of Sardinia's island's inhabitants."
"Roman senate granted the victorious Roman general in Greece the right to sack 70 cities of Greece: 150,000 persons were enslaved".
Many of the above slaves would have ended up in Italy.
Though of course there would have been slaves in Italy from North Africa and the "Orient" clearly they would have been outnumbered by European slaves. Considering Romans valued the fair skin European slaves over others why import darker slaves by boat from further away when you can sell white slaves at a premium price from the neighboring province, simple economics!! CONTINUED
1wor1d (8 months ago)
INVASIONS
The 4th and 5th century the Roman Legions were made up of at least 25% Barbarians (Europeans). Barbarian generals included Arbogast, Stilicho and Ricimer, not African or Oriental.
The attacks by barbarians forced the collapse of Rome. Many stayed some left. The Ostrogothic Kingdom of Italy was in power for 7 decades plenty of time to share their DNA with the local population. As with the Lombards Vandals Normans Visigoths and many others all Northern European and all there long enough to influence the DNA of the local population, that's what invading forces do when they're not killing of the local DNA.
All these facts above would have far more influence on the local population than a minority of slaves from North Africa and the Orient. Peace Bro
ItaliansAreBrown (8 months ago)
*You should be starting to get the pattern...
ItaliansAreBrown (8 months ago)
The Visigoths ended up in the Iberian Peninsula, not Italy. So did the Vandals. And they too were nothing but minorities.

The Normans, again, were nothing but a minority of invaders (you should starting getting the pattern here from all these quotes out of scholarly books on the subject):

"From a demographic point of view, however, the Normans were a minority in terms of numbers, and most of the inhabitants remained almost the same as before." - David Abulafia, "Italy in the Central Middle Ages: 1000-1300", Oxford University Press, 2004. Page 61.

Military/religious invasions are not like immigration. They do not require or necessarily involve huge numbers of people. Most of the population of any given nation are non-combatants.
ItaliansAreBrown (8 months ago)
The only major "FAIL!" are your silly assumptions and incorrect claims. Again, learn about the subject before opening your mouth. Stop trying to litter my videos and channel with clueless nonsense
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1wor1d (8 months ago)
@ItaliansAreBrown This video coveniently makes no mention of the GERMANIC invasion of Rome which ended the Roman Empire, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Lombards, Vandals to name a few invaded Rome in massive numbers wiping out the Roman Empire and taking control of Italy. Before the Germanic invasion of Rome the Romans took hundreds of thousands of slaves from Gaul (France) and Germania. Fair skinned slaves fetched the highest price in Roman slave markets.
1wor1d (8 months ago)
@Italians are brown Unlike you I'll leave your comment posted on my page, removing my previous post is a sure sign that you fear the truth!! As for your quote from Jerome Blum clearly you didn't notice that it was only reffering to the Lombards not the Ostrogoths who invaded Italy post collapse of the Roman Empire and established "The Kingdom of Italy" they didn't displace the Romans they invaded conquered and stayed. You conveniently forgot about the Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Vandals etc who were all Germanic and all invaded Italy. So nice try at deception but FAIL!! Also later the Normans who were descendants of Vikings invaded Southern Italy and Sicily and established a kingdom there.Your staement; "Germanics were nothing but a small minority outside their homelands in northern Europe". If that was the case how did they force the collapse of the Western Roman Empire??? Get better acquainted with the subject. Feel free to post on my page I don't fear your nonsense!!!
ItaliansAreBrown (8 months ago)
"Although he at first enjoyed success, a new wave of barbarians, the Lombards, swept into the Italian peninsula, conquered most of it, and left only a few areas still under the rule of the emperor in Constantinople.
The ease with which the German invader carved out kingdoms for themselves demostrates the extent to which the empire had decayed. The invaders formed a minority — often a very small minority — in the lands they conquered; yet the Roman citizens who lived there offered little resistance." - Jerome Blum, Rondo E. Cameron, Thomas Garden Barnes, "The European world: a history", 1970, page 16.

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