Rand Paul on The Glenn Beck Show Healthcare

[BasilFawlty4444]

@batteryxtreme

"No society can legitimately call itself civilised if a sick person is denied medical aid because of lack of means" ~ Nye Bevan, architect of the National Health Service

[ZalgoZalgo]

People can only think in simple black and white ideas. Goverment is always bad, private business is always good, hurhurhur.

[TheGoalSetter]

Obviously, we assume that Rand is like his father Ron. Fine. But don't lie and say that no experience is good. Rand uses his null experience as a slogan just like Obama did...and we knew that Obama was wrong.

And this is one of several little bad judgement calls that Rand has made. Bad judgement comes from lack of experience...duh.

Further, Rand getting so much nation-wide publicity will likely make him trip up and look so bad, he'll ruin his career.

[DanielDamascusKimery]

@TheGoalSetter No he's just like his Father. He will do just fine. Long live the Ron Paul Revolution!

[TheGoalSetter]

@DanielDamascusKimery

The reason I was attracted to Ron Paul was his strict devotion to reason and principles. I will always choose principles over people...even the Pauls.

Rand embraced the neocons, lied about inexperience being a good thing. That is why I didn't send him a penny.

Note: The Pauls play 'politics'; cutting corners in some areas, but oddly stay consistently against the Civil Rights Act. Very telling.

[DanielDamascusKimery]

@TheGoalSetter It's a good thing that he didn't need your money to get elected then huh?

[TheGoalSetter]

@DanielDamascusKimery

Do you really want me to just STFU and support the Pauls and not question anything they do?

[DanielDamascusKimery]

@TheGoalSetter Did I say that? You have a right to an opinion and I have a right to call you an Idiot for voicing it. Please keep bad mouthing the Paul Family I beg you. It's Idiots like you that got Ron Paul 81% of the vote in his District even though he had 3 opponents. Having a moron oppose you can be just as beneficial as having a Genius support you. Ron Paul/Rand Paul 2012

[TheGoalSetter]

@DanielDamascusKimery

By not allowing real discussion, Paul-fanatics drive away principle-based Paul supporters.

You are like that stomper at Rand's debate...whipped up in a frenzy, he makes bad decisions.

I hereby dub you a Paul-stomper (TM).

Anyway, good luck with the elections. I will vote for Ron Paul despite you Paul-stompers.

[DanielDamascusKimery]

@TheGoalSetter Even if his son is his running mate?

[DanielDamascusKimery]

@TheGoalSetter Yes I am a proud member of "The Rand Paul Curb Stomp Brigade". Thanks for noticing.

[MrMvt333]

public outcry to change the rules??? its called democracy rand

[djc1309]

Jessica - I feel bad for you. They should abolish the VA Hospitals and clinics and put ALL Vets on a "Veteran Medicare" program (or something similar) and let you see the doctor or your choice. You Vets are our pride and joy. You deserve better than Government Run Healthcare.

[cmangy]

This video is pure baloney from everyone in it.

[drewm08]

its not about people having health insurance, its about the govt having CONTROL of healthcare!

[pillowpannts]

I'm 24, uninsured, chronic pain in my left leg from work, no workmans comp, in college, wisdom teeth digging my jaw no dental, chronic dislocation in my right shoulder since i was 18, no coverage for surgical repairs. I make 9.00 hr in a restaurant and everyday I am in pain 7 out of 10. I am angry and an American citizen who's disgusted with you old bastards and this whole flawed system of red tape and political white noise. I'm an independent and increasingly disillusioned by the lack of action

[armatus99]

just finished orwells 1984, fox news would be a great telescreen provider :D, i could feel gettin dumber WHILE watching

[guyinkentucky1]

This year baby boomers will start retiring. That is a fact. By 2035, there will be more people retired then working. How will we pay for it. The are only three ways. One, raise the retirement age to 70 to 75. Two raise taxes. For those of you who say great raise taxes on the rich, what is the definition for rich? or do you really want to know what your real percentage you pay? That's easy enough to find out. And 3, limit or cut social programs or Medicare.

[mofillabumtempi]

dumb wop

[AwisemanisStrong]

See NWO Solution

[DCUPtoejuice]

Rand, very Rand baby

[fluff125]

Isn't Charles the guy who got raped by Peter Schiff in that video? The same guy that tried to argue the broken window fallacy? What a joke.

[7wrmv]

rand paul is a sad little man... the obama public option has nothing to do with the government controlling health care. its goal was to provide affordable health care plans to the currently uninsured, as well as to help reduce the RIDICULOUS cost of health care in the USA. He brings up stories about expensive drugs in other countries, but basic drugs are more expensive in the USA than any other 1st world country.. the bottom line is that pharmaceudical and health care lobyists own washington

[psujim85]

How about checking out the drugs he cites. In the UK, specific medicines are not covered. Care is rationed and people are treated based on actuarial tables.

Read the facts. It is one thing to disagree, but another to speak from ignorance.

[7wrmv]

Again.. the Obama public option is NOT a single payer system.. no rationing/actuarial tables apply here. It is just a separate non-profit insurance option that runs alongside the existing health infrastructure in the US. Hospitals will not be federally run as in the UK. The argument that "capitalism works" is ridiculous because: a. health costs per capita in the US are higher than anywhere else and b. cheaper drug imports are often blocked coming from other countries to the US (not free trade)..

[7wrmv]

If you believe even 1/3 of the "fair and balanced" facts you here from Fox news, then you are the one who is speaking from ignorance. Fox anchors are told what their opinions are and what stories to do based on a pre-existing, ultra-right agenda (this is a fact, there are interviews with previous fox employees that support my position). In this case fox is choosing to report ignorant idiots protesting loudly at town hall meets, and has called the public option "socialism" which it isnt..

[7wrmv]

Additionally, the "capitalism works best" argument is significantly flawed in the sense that the revoltingly high insurance costs in America are hurting the economy.. Look at the health costs per auto worker employee.. Do you mean to tell me that these costs dont hamper American auto manufacturers' ability to compete in the global economy.. obama's public option may also help to improve competition in the health insurance industry and thus lower overall costs..

[7wrmv]

Finally, a strong argument can be made that it is those who watch the Glen Beck show and believe what they hear that are "sheep being led to the slaughter." By the way.. what's wrong with Kool-aid? (yes it is spelt with a K and not a C... maybe you should read more.. you wouldn't want to speak from ignorance would you?) Better than chugging straight vodka like Glen used to (look it up.. he used to be an alchoholic)... BTW I've lived in countries with a single payer system.. it wasnt that bad.

[psujim85]

Right I Spelt it huh?? I spelled it with a C is correct.

I care less for personalities portrayed here, but for liberty. Try this - actually read a book about what our founding fathers set forth - "The 5000 Year Leap". It might enlighten you as to why coercion and benevolent theft is still just that - theft...

[7wrmv]

Spelt is the proper way to say it... Kool-Aid is not spelt with a C it is spelt with a K (google it).. and the guy telling me to read more made a tense error at the start of his reply "I spelled it with a C is correct". And even people insured under private insurance plans can get into ALOT of trouble with the very things you criticize the public option of being unable to offer.

[7wrmv]

There are all sorts of necessary drugs (such as sleeping pills) that are not covered for situations where the patient needs them desparately. Granted these types of drugs are ussually not covered under public systems either, but the difference is that the drugs can be obtained for a significantly lower cost in countries with public systems. You talk about liberty? What about your liberty to import identical, but much cheaper drugs from countries like Canada? (blocked by pharmaceudical lobby)

[jukiluti]

you're condemning a man for his past faults? Pitty on you, + you are making fun of a man who can't spell kool-aid. I bet you're smarter now?

[7wrmv]

I love how a month later I get challenged on a point I about something so silly. He was telling me to go read more and inform myself in a post full of grammar errors - after pointing out these faults, he continued to believe that the product he accused me of over-consuming was called Cool-aid.. evidently, the guy telling ME to read more will not even check his own knowledge with a quick google search.

[7wrmv]

As for condemning Glen Beck for his past faults... yes he was an alcoholic... no all past alcoholics do not deserve to live unhappily... but this guy is an abomination. He spews propaganda and lies 24/7 unchecked and under-educated... and worst of all people take him seriously. He is mentally unfit to be on the air.

[jukiluti]

everything he says is propaganda and lies?

sounds like they're just opinions. its called colorful journalism. not that i like glenn beck. Im mad because you called him a past alcoholic.

[7wrmv]

He was a past alcoholic - that's a fact. Would you want your surgeon to be a past alcoholic? No. President? Hope not. Should past-alocoholics be allowed to present their opinions on TV? Sure. In front of huge audiences? Fine. But Glen is NOT presenting his own opinions. He is presenting Fox News propaganda that lands on his desk every morning. Opinions are supposed to arise from facts - Fox news takes their opinions and makes up facts (or molds them) to conform.

[jukiluti]

So Glenn Beck doesn't believe what he's saying?

[BradNC11175]

7wrmv: Would you please specify where Glenn Beck has spread lies? What would qualify him to be able to spread the propaganda that he spews? How are you qualified to say that Glenn Beck is mentally unfit to be on the air?

[raunchbear]

@psujim85 They also spend $2000 per capita while we spend $4500. What would UK health care be like if they spend as much as us?

[CmdrTobs]

@psujim85 What? And insurance plans cover everything and don't work on actuarial tables???? lolololololzzzzzz haahahahaha

That is all besides the fact the UK has private insurance ASWEL

[pysgodfach]

@psujim85 Bollocks. Here in the UK the standard of care is just fine. Only medicines that cost huge amounts per course for a very small benefit are rationed. Have you ever bee treated on the NHS, or are you just taking the word of your favourite wingnuts?

[BasilFawlty4444]

@psujim85 That is rubbish. NHS Trusts are required to provide universal and unlimited cover. If they can't, they refer them to another trust that can. For instance, the NHS recently funded foreign treatment for a young boy abroad for a treatment that had not yet arrived in the UK.

Furthermore, there is nothing to stop a British person from taking out private health insurance. Few do, obviously, but there is no rationing, no lottery - it's all a right wing myth. I speak from experience.

[BasilFawlty4444]

@psujim85 continued:

There are always problems with every healthcare system - public, private, or a fusion or both as in many European countries. It is true ignorace to imply that private medical care is automatically better.

Long live the NHS!

Thank you Attlee and Bevan!

[devil421]

randpaul2010 . c0m

[yahlers]

you guys are brilliant with your polarizing language. a little dale carnegie would do you and everyone else a great deal.

[thomaserossi]

Gov healthcare is terrible. I'm a disabled vet and I get VA coverage. I have to wait three months to get a pair of eye glasses.

Who out there is willing to wait three months for a pair of eye glasses?

10/26/2009 is my appointment at Mather. I couldn't believe it. But I figured with the money I save I'll donate to Rand's and Peter's campaigns.

[funkyflights]

BS.... Gov health care is the only way to go... we cant trust the private insurance companies to EVER follow the rules.... they will always look for ways to save money by denying care... I"ve seen government run health care first hand in England and Canada and they love the system over there.... THEY FEAR our system .....

[thomaserossi]

You're an idiot.

We can't trust the private sector to follow the rules - true. But the private sector can go out of business by us NOT paying them. The private sector only survives as a bad business because of corporate collusion (Enron? Halliburton?)

But morons like you forget that 5000 years of human history illustrate that government is ALWAYS the purveyor of greatest harm. Enron caused unemployment, communism is responsible for the democide of 138million people in 90 years.

[funkyflights]

Your the idiot .... we have examples of successful UNIVERSAL health care ALL AROUND you dumb ass but you just ignore it... England where my father was born has UNIVERSAL health care and has had it since after world war 2 .... this has nothing to do with going COMMUNIST.... we already have socialist programs you numskull .... social security ring a bell.... medicare ring a bell ... DID THAT MAKE US A COMMUNIST NATION ... moron

[thomaserossi]

Successful Universal HC all around? Where? The entire nation of Canada has less MRI scanners than the city of Philadelphia. Canada's HC sucks. Australia's Socialized HC is even worse. Britain's Socialized HC and leftist politics have destroyed their country. But you don't know anything about that.

YT Search:

Multiculturalism

Sharia UK

Malmo

Oslo Riots

P.S. Anyone who uses excessive elipsis is waffling because they don't have their facts straight.

[funkyflights]

LOL... PLEASE..... I've been to Canada and that all BS .... your listening to the same bull crap from the right side that has lost all credibility .... just like WERE PULLING THE PLUG ON GRANDMA!! LOL.... that's a straight up lie and you know it.... just like all the rumors about universal health care failing in other industrialized countries.... total straight up LIE

[thomaserossi]

Yeah, keep ignoring what the Left has done to Europe and the UK. Lie and Deny. You need to lie to yourself in order to remain true to your faith in a bankrupt, hatemongering ideology.

[funkyflights]

Tell that to all the families going bankrupt from being sick .... only lies are from the right side .... DEATH PANELS.... LOL LOL ... outrages...

[thomaserossi]

Ooooh, special pleading. I don't know any families going bankrupt from being sick. Sorry. But I'll report this to Obama's Snitch-Email.

[funkyflights]

UM... maybe you should look past yourself .... then you might notice what's going on around you

[thomaserossi]

How insightful! Ad hominem with no substance. I love how you attack me then give useless advice like a cheap fortune cookie:

Confucious say - Look past self, then notice what around you.

Here's some real advice.  Lay off the Capslock and ellipsis.

[funkyflights]

OH poor little republican with hemorrhoids.... maybe you should go to the same doctor Glen Beck went to.... and then cry about how horrible our health care system is.... OH and if I wanted any lip from you I would rattle my zipper.... so hey man take some of your own Confucius advice and "look past self"

[thomaserossi]

funkyflights, you're a complete and total buffoon. I was mocking YOU. Read your own comments about "look past yourself." That was ME mocking YOU. You're so hopelessly, defiantly ignorant you don't even know when I've quoted what YOU said. Those are YOUR words and you're too stupid to know I'm just repeating you. The fact that you think it sounds stupid only confirms your idiocy. After all, you said it not me. It wasn't my advice, it was yours.

Ellipsis?

[funkyflights]

thomaserossi... LET me make something clear to you ... I CAN CARE LESS ... you just made ZERO sense trying to prove some kinda stupid point that is worthless.... pull your head outta the sand... stop being a republican doosh bag ... only idiot is yourself

[Invirtuo]

It fails abysmally in Europe. I should know, I SUFFER it

[funkyflights]

Wow ... your the only one to actually say that... amazing ... let's take a poll in what people think about there health care in Europe....

[Invirtuo]

Can't speak for Europe but 80% were unhappy here. The NHS in Britain is also widely reviled. The public sector unions cripple the healthcare systems here. Hospitals are overcrowded and decrepit. A and E rooms are full of drug addicts and drunks because they can't be turned away. Thousands wait on trolleys instead of beds because unions won't allow new be used. Utter debacle. the more money the government spends the worse it gets. Basically all the middle-class buys additional private insurance

[funkyflights]

BS ... your a republican acting like a European ... your probably living in New York City ... NO country would trade there national health care system for our EXPENSIVE life sucking garbage of a system ..... IS that how you want your health care BASED on profit ? step off....

[Invirtuo]

I'm from Tullamore, Republic of Ireland although I wished I lived in the States.

Why does it matter what it's based on?The question is which performs best. I have visited relatives in hospital in the US and the standard hospitals over there resemble the private ones here i.e good. If you want to see COMPLETE LIFE-SUCKING GARBAGE go to Britain or Ireland and see the NHS and HSE. That will be America's future

[funkyflights]

I have family from Britain .... they would NEVER trade there system for ours.... they don't have to worry about getting sick and going bankrupt...

[Invirtuo]

Oh i well belive that!! Everyone in the Isles (and the continent) HATES America and everything it does so obviously they wouldn't want an American system. But they also hate their own system because it's so bad and decrepit. Our system plays into the hands of the rich as what's known as the "two-tier system" emerges. Do some research

[psujim85]

You sound like a typical uniformed cool aid drinking liberal - Why not do some research on the subject. Invirtuo is correct - Check out the Ques for the NICE commission causes. Read - and stop being a sheep lead to slaughter.

[funkyflights]

You sound like a typical republican who is drinking coffee with Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh..

[Invirtuo]

Also you obviously don't talk to many Europeans!! Everyone complains about the disaster of healthcare. They still think it's better than America's because those continental faggots HATE America and anything it does. If American healthcare had the Philospher's stone they would still criticise it

[PhilippZ]

Fair and Balanced? Why not interview somebody in the President's camp too, to get the other side of the story??

[DrRonPaul4President]

Obama is NOT our president. Kick his butt out of the White House and prosecute him for fraud

[LifeIsTrippy2008]

Fuck Fox News.

[Clyaton]

Someone gave you a thumbs down, I remedied it, cuz they are wrong! You are right on, even if government doesn't mean to, which they do, it would happen like this anyway, because no business can compare to limitless funds by the fed (tax through inflation on every citizen) and regular taxes as well.

[Clyaton]

FOR NOW those are concerned can get private health insurance. But you should be worried about insurance companies tanking, especially since the 'fairest' and most honorable of them will go first.

[LifeIsTrippy2008]

250,000,000 americans is 90% of the people?

This guy needs to work on his math skills.

Oh wait, it's Faux News. Big fucking surprise.

The network of no facts.

[Clyaton]

See those thumbs down? Take ur opinion somewhere where someone cares. Typical democrat picking on the only news station that is conservative. They may be bought and paid for like all other media, but the ideology behind republicans (except moral conservatism) is right and you just need to get over that. See how Obama is screwing up time after time again? He's even worse than the Neo-con Bush with this outrageous spending, you should be ashamed.

[funkyflights]

Look when you call the fire department you dont call a privatized fire department ... when you call the police you dont call a privatized police .... there state ran and they run JUST FINE.... as we've all seen ... we need to make hospitals the same way ....

[Clyaton]

No.... The postal system is another example, but realistically we don't even need it anymore. In my hometown and many like it, firefighters are volunteer it's worthy to mention. Our justice system (police you mentioned) is not JUST FINE. They have a complex similar to the military-industrial complex and the prison-indus. complex, do you even know what those are and why they exist? Apparently not. The fact is, government screws everything it touches, medicaid, social security, etc. so WHY!?

[Clyaton]

Those services are different, and just like the military-indust complex and prison-indus complex, if you know what those are(apparently not), the police have their own complex, and they actually fuel the prison-indust. complex with wrongful arrests based on bad law (war on drugs for ex.). Also, police and firefighters don't go through 8 or more years of schooling for their jobs. If it's not profitable, what sane person would go into such a difficult field? SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE=VERY BAD

[funkyflights]

Wrong...... they can work exactly the same way at the fire department and police force... state ran and paid for by our tax dollars... its' really not complicated....

[Clyaton]

It's more complicated than you seem to understand... Some argument there, I'm done talking to you. I'm not going to list the reasons this is soooo bad, cuz it's everywhere you look if you pay attention.

[funkyflights]

NO it's not ..... you republicans like to make it seem complicated.... it's really pretty easy in fact... and I'm glad your done talking to me because your close minded anyway .... just enjoy health reform... the country will be better for it ...

[murphycline]

most fire departments are volunteer and most police-citizen interaction tends to be at the local level. Local and customized is better than one size fits all and federal, but folks should recognize that fire, police, and medical are services., and services that operate without a profit-loss system telling them if they're doing their job right are bound to operate in a sub-standard fashion.

[funkyflights]

That's irrelevant though because they get there paychecks from the state ... which means there state employees....they take there jobs very serious and live good lives from there pay ... no reason doctors cant be the same way ... why would they not take there care of patients seriously ? obviously a doctor would make more money from the state than any fireman or policeman ...and how does profit margin tell someone if there doing there job right ? were talking about care here.. a doctors oath.

[k9forkids]

Government employees taking their jobs serious...Hello on what planet do you live. So you want people that work for the DMV take in control of your healthcare? Give me a break. How about this, my Family had to sue the VA department for killing my father in one of their Hospitals because of neglect. They overdosed them on a medicine that cause his Heart to stop. I'm a Veteran myself and the healthcare at VA is the worst. because people who are not afraid to get fired, don't give a shit.

[funkyflights]

Um yeah ....I have a member of my family that works for the fire department and would give his life to save your .... My mom was a police officer for 20 years ... my brother is a police officer for 18 years now.. UM YEAH they take there job serious.. why on gods green earth would you assume someone working for the government would not take there job serious ? so are you saying if it was privatized they would? WTF so does our military NOT take there jobs serious ??

[k9forkids]

You cant compare a Fire Fighter or a Special forces Soldier which my dad was to an federal government worker that has a administrative job, pushing pencils! Did you know that in 2008 6000 Veterans committed suicide...per Month of that year and it is even worth this year. Because Veterans don't get the Medical care they need it. Have you ever tried to get an appointment with your Dr. at the VA? So If your Suicidal and need to see a Dr., they will tell you to come back in 6weeks.

[funkyflights]

Well you once again point out the failure of the American health care system ... dont fear the government ... fear the big business that ONLY want profit .... that scares me more than anything

[k9forkids]

no i did not point out the failure of the American Health system. The VA Department is in charge of the Government and you can ask any Veteran and he will tell you that it is Mismanaged and a Failure. More veterans die per month because of the lack and neglect of the VA then Soldiers right now fighting in the middle east.

[dvxman]

and you REALLY think the government is any better?

[JessicaBelle81]

I'm a Vet and it takes me a month to get in to see my doctor. It's such a hassel I've just decided to pay and go to a private doctor.

[ashide1]

@JessicaBelle81 ......or you're a "part-time entertainer from LV" who is completely healthy. Wow. So it takes a month to get a check up?? Give me a break.

[funkyflights]

Profit margin does not determine quality when it comes to care....

[CaptainWeirdBeard69]

Most of the fire departments in the country are comprised in part of volunteers. They are founded by city, county, and local private business concerns. Both the fire and police departments exist in part because of donations from local private citizens. Both fire and police departments are run by those same local concerns, not by some federal tzar. Things are kept small and to the point, that way they are at the ultimate level of culpability and concern. It's not a very accurate comparison.

[funkyflights]

There not run by donations... YES they do accept donations but it's tax dollars that provide the service.... just like the public option in health care... tax dollars will provide the service IF you need it ... otherwise you can keep your private health care.... giving Americans a public option will keep the insurance companies in check and also give MILLIONS the opportunity for health care which they DONT have now ... it's a win win for everybody in this country ....

[ExposingUncleSham]

this bill will make private insurance illegal, try reading it

[funkyflights]

STOP BELIEVING what these extremists are saying... PRIVATE INSURANCE WILL NOT BE ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!! you can keep your private insurance for god sake people ... that's ridiculous just stop it!!!!!

[jbraly]

Dude, look at hawaii... they did this already. They started state run healthcare. Sure, you could keep your private insurance. But the state healthcare was free. Guess what? Everyone dumped their halthcare and took the free stuff... bankrupted the state healthcare system and they had to scrap it and everyone had to go back and get private insurance.

[funkyflights]

OK .. then look at Canada... Look and France... Look at England... HELL look at every other industrialized nation in the world .... THEY ALL have Universal health care.... BUT NO ... you use Hawaii as and example... lol.... dude the public option WONT BE FREE...... you still have to pay for it .... that's what your not getting...

[obmax1212]

Only the truly poor should benefit from charity, and government subsidies aren't charity. If you enact regulation you open the door for special interests to take advantage of the situation. There needs to be laws that enforce contracts and courts available to hear cases. We don't need regulation. It might make people feel safe (falsely), but it does nothing to enhance the quality of health care. More importantly, the US Congress has no Constitutional authority to be doing any of this.

[obmax1212]

The market place isn't the problem, government is. In a system that claims health care is a right, it isn't. You cannot make anything universal through government coercion. The best way to maximize the effectiveness of health care, lower it's cost, and thus make it available to the most amount of people is through a free market. It works for every other product and service, why should health care be any different? Feeling sorry for the sick doesn't make socialism a good idea.

[LetFreedomRlng]

This is a highly educated intelligent group of good men. Donate Aug 20th, Rand Paul money Bomb, even if you only have 20 bucks, be a part of it!!!

[obmax1212]

Because you are forcing people to relinquish their ability to make choices and by having a command and control structure you destroy the market place that makes treatments cheap. We don't have free market health care in the US now, nor have we for decades, so you cannot legitimately claim that any current shortcomings are due to the marketplace. Everything that is cheap about healthcare here is because of the market.

[renegade2142]

I wonder if FOX will give the show to the Judge! That would be awesome....but it will never happen.

[charleshoskinson]

Because when the government plays in the system it's like playing a basketball game one on one with a ref. It's unfair, doesn't play by the rules, provides poor care, and leads to rationing.

But an idiot will support stupid things I guess. Have fun waiting for 16 months to get a knee replacement.

[breedsauce101]

One reason noogie123.Our country is much bigger with WAY MORE PEOPLE and the costs would be staggering. On a side question, I hear your crime rate went up a lot when you guys gave up your guns,Hows that working out for you?

[Bankingcartel]

Speaking of the people who don't have healthcare. I don't and don't want any dang government ran healthcare.

Furthermore, my state is providing healthcare to families and children that can't afford it. Now lets look at what 'can't afford' it means.

I know two families explicitly that are on this healthcare system. Earlier this year both families went to Las Vegas gambling, they went to Lake Cumberland Lake vacationing, and one family just went to Florida for their anniversery.

[Bankingcartel]

And now you expect to steal my labor to finance their healthcare? Sorry guys, but that is not going to be happening to me, I will sit in jail before I am robbed.

[charleshoskinson]

Welcome to Obamanomics

[MooseOfReason]

"We didn't have a particular data point in mind, we just wanted a really big number."

That was about the TARP, and how Treasury ended up with the $700 billion amount.

Seems like they again wanted a really big number.

Politicians are well-connected. They're friends with lobbyists and executives of large companies.

We have to go after our representatives and ask them, "Who's pulling your strings?"