Ottomans are accused of killing Armenians not Turkey idiot get you facts right. And the population of Armenşans in 1910 is about 600.000 How can ottomans can kill 1500000 people when there aren't many people in the region. Did they clone the armenians and killed them again ??? (I know number is irrevelant but it shows that not everything is said abot the armenian genoide is true)
why you forgot that western killed millions of muslims around the world ...viva Turkey from Sudan , Islamic Empire will rise again no doubt about that ..
@0098xxx Turkey is trying to overthrow the Assad regime, the Assad regime is the closest ally of Iran and biggest enemy of Israel. Turkey supports the Anti Assad fighters and attempts to destabilize Syria means that Turkey and Iran are enemies and Turkey and Israel are allies. without Syria and Iran, Palestine will be cleaned of all Muslim populations within a week. Turkey is indirectly and directly supporting Israel in multiple cases and opposing Palestinians, Iran and Syria in multiple cases.
@TheScienceofnature U FUCKING DUMB SHIT.. TURKEY ARE MUSLIMS AND THERE NEIGHBORS WITH IRAN..THATS ALL BULL SHIT PROPAGANDA WEST IS MAKING WATCH SOME TURKISH NEWS ABOUT THIS ISSEU DONT BELIVE FOX NEWS U DUMB FUCK STUPID REDNECK .. IRAN AND TURKEY ARE CLOSER THEN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN.. EVEN ERDOGAN SAID AHMADINEJAD IS FRIEND OF TURKEY.. FUCKING ISRAEL ARE THE TERRORIST AND SOON THEY WILL BE WIPED OUT EVEN IF TURKEY DOESNT TAKE ANY ACTION AGAINST ISRAEL.. I PROMISE U IRAN WILL.
@0098xxx you call me dumb and you get your opinions from a Turkish TVs and newspapers. i get first hand news out of middle east. what i tell you is fact, you decide what they mean. Turkey has openly threatened Syria and Assad. at one point, Turkey said they would send Syria back to the stone age. Syria created the PKK, Ojalan was based in Syria until Israel captured him and handed over to Turkey. Syria IS an ally of Iran. they have DEFENSIVE alliance. you mess with Syria, you mess with Iran.
@TheScienceofnature u no im not sayin syria and iran arent allies they are .. im saying after frotilla turkey and israel aint the same.. and turkey is looking more east as they should be they dont need fucking europe bunch of broke ass countreys.. aks any true turk.. they dont like israel.. ive got many turkish friend non of them like israel trust me turkish ppl like to kill israelis as much we iranians like to ;) ur to stupid just shut up :)
@0098xxx a few Turkish lives lost is by no means a significant factor to make major political decisions with. turkey needs far bigger reasons to declare Israel enemies and Iran an ally. what turkey and Israel are doing is simply a political game. Turkey is trying to win over the Muslim population throughout middle east and Israel needs to get rid off Iran and Syria fast. that is the end game, and at the moment both Israel and Turkey are working towards just that. ignore the mass media
@0098xxx why do you think Iran stopped its attacks on PJAK? because PJAK and PKK are the same organization. by Destroying PJAK you are destroying the PKK and at the moment that is the last thing Iran wants. Iran needs PKK to continue keeping Turkey busy and its efforts divided, that way Turkey won't be able to concentrate its efforts on Syria. you have no idea how dangerous the situation in middle east at the moment. if WW3 was to begin, it will be because of something like this.
@0098xxx at the moment you have Turkey and Israel on one side backed by EU and USA, Iran and Syria on the other side backed by China and Russia. a middle eastern coalition is being organized with backing by NATO to attack Syria and overthrow Assad. which means Saudi Arabia is on Israels side as well. sounds pretty crazy, but believe me, in politics, religion and nationality means nothing. only power, land and money.
@TheScienceofnature true true only money power and land.. but let me tell u this we iranians dont even worry about saudi arabis hahaha we dont even count them as a power they are puppets of us and israel.. an soon we deal with those fucking saudi rats.. if china russia iran and syria are united bro.. nato us israel dont even have a chance.. iran got venezuela.. they will boms u.s from iranian bases in venezuela even if turkey chikend out israel and us are still fucked
@TheScienceofnature true u mess with syria u mess with iran.. but trust turkey wont mess with iran not even us, or israel is that stupid..iran already said let dance to israel.. israelis chikend out now they want us to attack iran but iran is powerfull they got power like it or not...but iran and turkey are friends .. ur not even a turk why u act like u know everything about turkish ppl u fucking moron when the time comes u will c.. i quess ur a fucking jew innit ;)
@0098xxx haha, OK mate, you go and be friends with turkey. when Turkey has its dick up Irans ass and Syria is invaded, then tell me Turkey is your friend. what about those missiles they allowed America to deploy in Turkey? was that out of friendship to Iran? those missiles are counter measures to Irans newly developed weapons. that means Irans weapons are useless now. hardly a friendship.
@TheScienceofnature ur to stupid its not like iran needs turkey.. iran has the strongest army in the middeleast.. thats why after 33 years u.s still didnt attack iran.. they only attack those fucking weak arabs.. but i like it tough.. arabs and jews killing eachother is a good thing .. i hope they keep doeing it till everyone of them is dead ;)
@0098xxx i am not arguing that Iran needs anyone, Iran could survive without food, water and air. USA put sanction on Iran preventing Iran from buying oil in the market, Iran takes all the oil from Iraq under the eyes of USA. when they found out they were pretty angry, but couldn't do anything about it to this day. all i am saying is that those Turks are no friends of Iran. the struggle in middle east will soon come to end, either east or west will dominate the future of the region.
@0098xxx maybe Turkish politicians are too stupid to do this calculations in their own heads, they think every country is Greece and Armenia. Syria is strong. the Syrian insurgents, the ones who deserted the Syrian army fled to Turkey, they are raiding Syrian towns and cities from inside Turkey backed by Turkish support. that is one step away from total war which automatically drags Iran into it. Turkey is in over its heads. Turkey and Iran are enemies. Syrians are Muslims as well.
Israel killed its citizens if it was the other way round Israel would do exactly the same. Turks like Israelis, what they don't like is their government policies. This Armenian BS never goes to court for 1 reason its already been there and every time they are kicked out due to lack of evidence. As they say politicians do not require proof they just want votes, historians require proof why not ask them if you are 100% confident. Civil war is the main reason people died nothing more.
@levendful there is plenty of evidence for the Armenian genocide, do you know why they never make it to those courts? because Turkey is an ally of America, all the evidence is locked up in Britain. those countries make billions of dollars out of this Armenian case. every time they need Turkey to do something they bring the case back. its not just Israel, recently France talked about it as well. they will only take it as far as they need to though, once Turkey does what they want, silence again..
@TheScienceofnature - Funny thing is Armenia refuses to open its own archives, that shows there is no evidence. Not a single shred of evidence has been shown to anyone, not to historians who are not bias. Russia also would have some evidence but its no where to be seen. Just open those archives? If I was 100% certain I would have those archive doors open, but there seems to be some doubt. Which is probably the main reason it never goes to court.
@levendful you talk like there is no grounds on which the Armenian Genocide to be based on. the Armenian genocide by the Ottoman empire is very well documented and most of the events are made public. you are right in saying that it isn't taken as seriously as the Holocaust, but that is only because the mass media power which America posses is far greater than that which Russia has, and it was the Russians whom the Armenians relied on. this history is suppressed because of politics.
@levendful i believe that there is a lack of effort and will from the Armenian government to pursue this case and settle it once and for all. this is not even a debate, you cannot argue about facts. to see the Turks deny this human tragedy and refuse to learn from it shows a great level of Armenian incompetence. Turkey doesn't just deny historical events which is bad for the image of Turkey, they deny the existence of some 25 million Kurds. outrageous lies by the Turkish state is a common thing.
@TheScienceofnature - There is plenty of evidence for civil war too which makes the evidence for Genocide obsolete. Many battalions of Armenians fighting alongside the French and Russian pre so called Genocide. The reason the Armenian government refuses to open up its archives is because it will reveal the true numbers and destroy its case. Its the main reason it never goes to court its not due to so called bias, its due to some contradictions in what the diaspora claims.
@levendful there is no doubt that Armenian were supported by the Russians. this was the reason to why the Turks killed civilian Assyrian and Armenian. the reason behind it was that they were Christians. the people who have been killed during war are different from those who were taken to the Arabian deserts and killed. you are mixing up the events. I am taking about specific evidence which show the killing of civilian Armenian by the Ottoman Turks, they called themselves the young Turks.
@TheScienceofnature - You realise alot of what you say contradicts what others Armenians say? There is sufficient evidence to argue civil war too seeing as a large portion of Armenians actually supported the wipe out of the muslim population during that area. There are several mass graves uncovered which can verify this, some found near the Erzurum area. I am finding it hard to believe that a side that betrayed their own country can then claim genocide when their side loses.
@levendful Turkey denies the existence of 20 million Kurds, i think denying something that happened in the past is not as big of a lie. so why not do it? Turks have been in Anatolia for about 800 years or so. before that there were no Turks in Anatolia. only Greeks, Armenian, Kurds and other ethnicities. Turks have managed to successfully cleanse Anatolia from all non Turkish population in a very short period of time. what Turks have done is nothing less than what the Nazis were doing in Germany
@TheScienceofnature - the 20mil Kurds are recognized, they can vote and be voted into parliament, There was a population exchange with the Greece. Well documented. Your telling the US to leave their lands as the native indians were there well before - that argument is just not valid. You would get laughed at if you were to say it in the US. The Armenian community joined the French and Russians in the hope of wiping out Muslims (Turks and Kurds) from eastern Turkey and why the civil war.
@levendful the 20 million Kurds of Turkey only got recognized after the Iraqi Kurdistan was recognized by the US as the Kurdish regional government. before that the Kurdish language was banned, speaking Kurdish, wearing Kurdish clothes; saying anything remotely close to Kurdish was very harshly punished by Law. my argument is not that Turks should go back to their native land, its to prevent Turkey from using its power to suppress vulnerable communities and in turn causing human tragedies.
@levendful if america was to do what Turkey is doing today, it would suffer major political setbacks. the idea of racism, nationalism; any form of hatred and prejudice should be kept at a personal level, governments should not base politics and strategies on such grounds. i admit to the massacre of native Americans by the European colonists, such history is not denied, it is studies and is open for research in american libraries. Turkey is attempting to distort history, that is a crime.
@levendful shame on you for supporting hatred. if you really loved your country you would not allow a bunch of idiots like those who encourage racism and hared in Turkey to influence you and make you participate in extremism and provocative behavior. Kurds are the native people of Turkey, if they truly are part of Turkey then they should be treated like that, allowed to express themselves and in turn protect justice and equality in Turkey. this mafia state of Turkey is not worth fighting for
@TheScienceofnature - I can same exactly the same thing about you Shame on you for encourage hatred, all I asked is for you to show some proof. Instead I heard Armenian Hatred of Turks, accusations with not proof. Whats wrong with asking for proof? Is there something to hide? The Kurds do vote and if they were so repressed they would in fact vote for the Kurdish party but in fact they voted for the current prime minister. That tells you something?
@levendful when did i encourage hatred? all i am saying is not to allow any country or any organization to destroy history, to destroy the truth for political reasons. especially when the history is regarding human rights violations. people should be educated about these things, told about the true horror of ethnic cleansing not dumbed down and told that its all fine. criminals should be recognized and brought to justice not hidden and made heroes.
@levendful you couldn't say the same thing about me. i am neither Armenian nor Turkish. i don't have any blind affection to any country or any material interests to protect. i am simply arguing that if we encourage violence and unrest just because we love our country and expect that others don't, then the same will be done to us as well. maybe not in our lifetime, but to our children and grand children. Turkish people will lose a lot by behaving like kinds, ignoring important things
@levendful you speak about America as if they are enemies of Turkey, Turkey is a puppet of Europe and America. they cannot do anything without consulting the west first. this whole crap about attacking Israel and undermining western interests in middle east is a facade, under the desk Turkey is doing exactly what America wants them to do.
@TheScienceofnature - You have alot of contradicting statements First you admit that the US/British wiped out close to 200mil Native indians but do not claim that as Genocide. You don't mention the 1.5mil Muslims that were slaughtered by the Armenians (which is classified as Genocide as per your argument). Again I point to Armenias refusal to open their archives to international scrutiny which again supports in part the claim of civil war.
@levendful colonization of america had nothing to do with British and USA. America was colonized by all European people. in those days there was no such thing as the charter of human rights. slavery was not yet abolished. you cannot punish someone for a crime with a law which did not exist at the time the crime was committed. even if Turkey doesn't make up for their sins, they should at least admit it so that it doesn't happen again. i would ask the Armenians to do the same as well.
@TheScienceofnature - Funny you mention the charter - When did the United nations recognize genocide in its current form? It does answer your question. Based on your argument we can conclude there was no genocide "you cannot punish someone for a crime with a law which did not exist at the time" In this case the accusation against the Turks is invalid?
@levendful the International Humanitarian Law came into existence between 1864 and 1949. although various article have been added to define the difference between genocide and civilian causalities, the idea of protecting the rights and lives of individuals in armed conflicts is older than WW1. the Ottoman empire did not sign to this treaty in its early days. today Turkey should not be allowed to enjoy the comfort of peace when it protect its rights to commit war crimes.
@levendful despite the fact that when America was colonized there were no such humanitarian laws, all European power have recognized and admitted to the cruelty they committed towards indigenous populations. e.g. Britain has formally apologized to the apartheid and the crimes committed towards the indigenous people of Australia...etc the European powers have not attempted to fabricate history and mislead their people. but Turkey continues to uphold that old feudal mindset.
@TheScienceofnature - It still comes down to proof, the opening of the Armenian archives will settle this case. You must admit if evidence is being hidden any court case can be appealed. This is the basic right, and so if the Armenian government can not open up its archives how can anyone believe anything that comes out. The Turks could flood the courts with stories about their family victims as much as the Armenians can. All I say open the archives let historians decide not politicians.
@levendful when you say don't believe anything that comes out, by that you mean anything that comes out of Turkish politician and mass media? there is something called trust, it is easily lost and very hard to gain. Turkey is a country that has proven itself to be untrustworthy. in recent history they have committed countless acts of human rights violations, ethnic cleansing and extremism towards minority populations inside and outside Turkey. the Kurds are an example of these people.
@levendful i accept that proof is more powerful than words. the problem is that Turkey does not except any proof that goes against its case. they have powerful friends in the west to cover things up for them and suppress the truth in regards to the crimes which the Turkish government has committed towards other. the Armenian case is looked at more as a political case than a historical one. Turkey is allied to USA and Armenian to Russia. Russia does not deny it and USA doesn't speak of it
@TheScienceofnature - From memory Its the Armenian government who refuses to open archives to independent historians no one else. It has nothing to do with friends, hide information and it raises doubts as simple as that. You are stating as if there is proof, again archives from the Armenian government are hidden from historians. By saying the Turks have to accept you are saying I don't care what proof you may have I will hide anything that discredits my case accept what I say. Is that right?
@levendful you are putting words in my mouth, i never implied nor said any of the things you accuse me of saying. there has never been such courts nor such archives made public. following the collapse of the Ottoman empire, the east and the west were locked in a constant struggle for dominance. no western power ever took the the Armenian genocide to court and no eastern power was capable of making it into a case that is equal to that of the Jewish holocaust. the reason is simple, mass media.
@TheScienceofnature - You have made up your mind without even having a look at any proof. The Archives I talk about were even discussed quite often, most recent was 2 years ago of which Armenia still refuse to open. I doubt I will convince you to even look to both sides of the argument before making a decision. I would love to see both sides but Armenian government has locked up some of the evidence with no one allowed to see. This strengthens the Turks argument.
@levendful i have looked at the proofs. there has never been any independent, public global investigation of the Armenian genocide. such investigations have never been carried out, if they have they must have been restricted that is why the Armenians and the world in general didn't take it seriously. i too can go and get a bunch of guys with glasses and tell them to look busy and read this script when you are done. that is more like something that Turkey would do.
@TheScienceofnature - Thanks for verifying my assumptions check the number of websites which discuss this matter, a clear majority are by funded by the Armenian Diaspora in California. You prejudge before listening to both sides so I doubt I would bother this discussion. Good luck with your single minded way the end of the day I just hope any information in the archives is released so we can make an informed decision. I judge by proof not via Webpage clicks.
@levendful the internet is far more reliable source of information than the Turkish archives of world war 1. you are denying a historical event. that is like denying the sun exists. how can i argue with you. you are taking a case which is obvious and clear, shredding it up and saying its something else.
@TheScienceofnature - You serious? You smoking anything? I want to see proof, Armenia refuses to open their archives which tells me something about their version of history. You are refusing to even listen to the other side least I am willing to listen. I just want to see some proof, not websites. I can create 1000 websites in 1 day doesn't make anything I write fact. Archives are historical documents they can be checked against other archives.
@levendful there is a clear line between bu llshit and legitimate sources. you tell me what you accept as a reliable source i can get them for you. i myself have been to the British archives library and have looked at several books in regards to the Armenian and Assyrian genocide by the Ottoman Turks. it clearly records the encounter of Laurence of Arabia with a Turkish Ottoman force which had just massacred a population of unarmed civilians. Laurence tracks them and ambushes the Turkish force
@TheScienceofnature - There are files in the Armenian Government archives on the number of people who joined the Russians and French. I'm not talking the watered down numbers the real stuff. Can you get me that? If the number is very large it indicates civil war or not. Also how many Militia was funded by Russia and France.
@levendful they were brought from Hakari, they were a mix of Armenian and some Assyrian that were taken to the deserts of Syria to be killed and buried there. another encounter is when the Turks move into Hakarri province. the source comes from captured Ottoman military log by the British. it record that the reverend of the church runs ahead and begs the Turkish soldiers for mercy, they behead him and hang his dismembered body in public before killing the rest of the population
@TheScienceofnature - I have heard similar stories by the Turks on Armenian gangs wiping out whole villages. Mass graves found in the Erzurum area of Turks/kurds buried there. DNA does not lie in that front. When both sides claim the same thing who do you believe? Its down to historians to decide, why when politicians are deciding it actually weakens the argument. Tells me they have such a poor argument that they can't go to court but to politicians.
@levendful this is a political issue. just like the Nazi extermination of the Jews. this kind of things will deny countries the right to have an army, or at least a large army. it will prevent them from being military powers. like Germany, they weren't allowed to have a standing army for a long time, and their army now is a very small one, dependant on other European powers.
@levendful the events recorded are not interpretation of someone who wasn't even there. its the actual story as seen by the people who were present at the time. historians don't tell the truth all the time either. there is no way of telling that someone is Turkish or Armenian from DNA tests because there is no DNA for nationality, the majority of nationalities share similar DNA. i could be Turkish if i wanted to. so there is no way DNA can prove who the dead bodies are.
@TheScienceofnature - There actually is as per your comment I have to find the exact quote Turks came from Asia as you said and the Armenian DNA is not from Asia. So yes in this case there is a difference. No ones seems to ask how many Turks died during that exact time, which points to approx 1.5mil as well. There is enough doubt to argue, you promised me you will get me my information from the Archives which will prove a case for civil war or not. Why are you avoiding some questions?
@levendful at no point during the first world war did any Armenian force reach any Turkish population. the Armenian armies were weak, and often without Russian support were unable to even defend against Turkish onslaughts. the only people at risk of being victims of war crimes were Kurdish and Armenian people in that conflict. because Turkish people do not inhabit eastern Anatolia, they occupy central and western Anatolia. no Armenian army has ever reached central Anatolia.
@levendful I do not know how to give you any evidence. I suppose you would have to visit the library yourself in London. I am not a resident of London, I live in Edinburgh Scotland. while at university in London, I often visited the library and after finishing university work, I used to look at other historical events which the British were involved in. world war 1 is one of the major historical events in our history. we know it very well.
@TheScienceofnature - You skip around alot of things, The Armenian Archives maybe? Where the information is held? If 5% of population male pop. then you may have a case but I am hearing numbers in the vicinity of 100k+ joining both the Russian and French armies. That is enough to say its a civil war, the militia did not just target Turks they targeted Kurds too as their goal was to wipe out the muslims and force the Kars treaty to be ratified. You say things as if you have facts but you don't
@levendful i am guessing your argument is that if the Turks hadn't done what they did, the Armenian would have. you might be right but you cannot consider that as a history. history is what happened not what might have happened. what happened was a major ethnic cleansing of mostly Christian populations during the end of the rule of the Ottomans by "the young Turks" and their hired Kurdish mercenaries. this is a controversial case which to this day is not properly acknowledged and studied.
@TheScienceofnature - I'm not saying Armenians would have, I'm saying they did. Big difference, the mass graves are there is sufficient proof to put forward this argument. The hidden archives in Armenia may reveal the true extent to how many Turks/Kurds were killed by the Armenian Armies and Militia. The goal by the Russian forces was to enforce the Kars treaty and wipe out any potential resistance. So the Armenians were in charge of wiping out the Muslims in the future Greater Armenia dream.
@levendful i do not know about any Armenian archives and frankly as a history student, i do not trust most middle eastern sources. they are unreliable because they are written by people. the evidence is often fabricated and missing. you have the history of the Turks which contradicts what Kurdish historians have written which in turn contradicts the accounts from the point of view of the Arabs. you are left with confusion rather than clarity. Armenians are also like this is history telling.
@TheScienceofnature - There was a 2nd attempt to force the ratification of the Kars treaty in 1945, the Russians massed troops on the border. Promises were made by Russia if the Armenians wiped out the muslims in the region and greater Armenia could be formed. This can easily be verified in the US, at the same time a Turkish diplomat died, the US returned the diplomats body to Turkey onboard a destroyer. This was a signal to Russia that the US would get involved, the crisis was then avoided.
@levendful maybe, but as you rightly put it yourself, that never happened. the Turks however did massacre about 1.5 million Christians following the collapse of the Ottoman empire. even today Turks are maintaining their effort in ethnically cleansing the Muslim Kurds in Turkey. its harder today that it was then, but looking at events, Turkey has taken every steps necessary to provoke Kurds into an armed conflict as to legitimise the cleansing of the Kurds in Turkey.
@TheScienceofnature - So the mass graves in the region of Turks? You probably are a bad student of history if you go into an argument pre judging. Not going to waste my time with you anymore, First you claim the evidence is fabricated then you go on to support the any evidence that supports your view. Good luck to you but as I said early in the argument proof is what is required and that is lacking. Why the courts in the Hague dismissed this case and why this will continue on forever.
@levendful i do not believe that Turkey has any good wills in the region. they are still inspired and led by the empire building mindset which they did when they migrated to Anatolia. because of this living with Turks and as neighbour of Turks is always tricky and bloody. Turkey supplied poisonous food to Armenian when they were first independent and they did to the Kurds of northern Iraq when it became an autonomous region. that is another genocide, unprovoked.
@levendful i have personally bared witness to a sabotage which Turkish lorry driver were attempting in northern Iraq just a couple of years ago. they planted the lave of a specie of ant which in the following year devastated grain farms in Iraqi Kurdistan. i do not understand why Turks are so hostile towards these civilian Kurds, but i do think someone should do something about it. we are always putting the spotlight on Iran when our own allies are committing acts of ethnic cleansing
@levendful i believe that to this day, given the chance Turkey will commit genocide against Kurds, Armenian, Greeks and occupy Syria and Iraq. but thank god we live in a better world than the one which Turks comes from.
@levendful the evidence i have comes from the British campaign of middle east during WW1. it is not a written history by a historian or a government official. they are mostly diaries, logs and captured documents from captains and soldiers who were present. the British museum of archives is a heaven for people who wish to study history. however our teachers often encourage us not to trust even those entirely. imagine a history that comes from a corrupt region like Turkey and Armenia.
@levendful during the Ottoman campaign in Anatolia, many Assyrian and Armenian were protected by Turkish civilians due to the fact they knew each other and had lived together for so long. in some cases, the Turkish armies and their Kurdish tribesmen whom the Ottomans had recruited as mercenaries, even went and killed the Turkish and Muslim families who harboured those Christians.
@TheScienceofnature - You realize Turkey has opened up its archives and Armenia refuses to right? Another thing this incident happened during the Ottoman empire times not during the Turkish Republic so you might want to take the Ottoman empire to court - the courts already have thrown the case out due to lack of proof. Russia recruited the Armenians during WWI again the Ottomans course they are going to support them. Open the Archives and let the truth be heard whats there to hide? easy as that.
@levendful the Turkish republic sees itself as the descendant of the Ottoman empire. that is why there is 20 million Kurds living under a Turkish authority, that is why Istanbul is not a Greek city but a Turkish one. Turkey lays claim to territories in Iraq because of the Ottoman empire. e.g. Musel and Kirkuk, even though Kirkuk was not even an Ottoman settlement. Turkey has a reputation for fabricating, lying and misleading people. that is why I believe they would suppress the Armenian case
@TheScienceofnature The majority of the Asia Minor indigenous population was not cleansed, they converted to Islam and adopted the Turkish language. The Kurds were the only ones who massively kept their identity for some reasons.
@panarkas Kurds have nowhere else to be deported to. the Greeks were deported to Greece, Armenians to their own country, some were killed, there were large Assyrian populations as well in Turkey most of whom were massacred while others were forced to become Turks. Kurds however are resilient people, they are able to survive in extreme conditions under extreme pressure. they are also very stubborn and honorable, unwilling to bend to pressure. which is why they still exist in Turkey.
@TheScienceofnature What I meant is that the Greeks and Armenians who were Turkified were more than the ones who were deported or killed. The last wave of massive Turkifications was in 1922-1923. One of the main reasons the Kurds were not assimilated was that Kemal collaborated with them against the Greeks and the Armenians. He promised them a Turkish-Kurdish state where they would have a lot of privileges but did not keep his word after he was done with the Turkification of everyone else.
what Turkey has said to Israel is nothing to be taken seriously. Turkey has allowed America to deploy strategic missiles which Iran strongly opposed accusing both Turkey and America of disturbing the balance of power and peace in middle east. Turkey may have pushed Israel out of the way a little too aggressively, but it has punched Iran right in the jaws with those missiles. they are still allies, all this that is happening is only cover up for their assault on both Iran and the PKK
turkey and israel may not get along very well but turkey n iran also may not be a good neighbor.both of them are ambitious,want to be leader in the middle east.
why they do not quarrel like their ottoman-safavid anscester? just bcz of western power.so they hide their ambition for a moment but they will start to fight soon just like their anscester.
Fucking the Armenians did a rebel in Turkish land that why we fucking killed them ok cause them cunts where killing Turkish people and they got the money and weapons from the Russians.so go fuck ur self and Read ur history better then come and fucking start talking u fucking dick cheese cunts.us Turks will fucking rule the world again like we did for 620 years bitch.we have the best histoy in the world we came from asia and become Muslims and a big empire know we are going to be the next super
@djyoungturk even if that were true, killing civilian population in cold blood is considered a genocide. which is what Turks did. there was never the country of Turkey during world war one, there was the Ottoman empire in which the Turks controlled much smaller territories than they claim today. so technically those Armenians and Assyrians that were forcibly removed and killed were living in their own lands, it was the Turks that were the aggressors, attacking and pillaging their villages
@djyoungturk you cannot argue that those were Turkish lands. those lands had significant Armenian populations in them who settled long before Turks migrated to Anatolia. on what bases are you calling those lands Turkish? the only thing that makes it Turkish is the fact that Turks invaded it, then went on to ethnically cleanse any non Turkish population. which makes it no less a crime than the holocaust. if Hitler had won WW2 then based on this model, he too could justify his actions
@djyoungturk the killing of civilian population is a war crime no matter what the excuse is. killing POW's is a war crime let alone civilians. the Armenian and Assyrian genocide was recorded in the diaries of Laurence of Arabia which exists in Britain today. he clearly witnessed the mass murder of civilians by Turkish soldiers whom he tracked down, ambushed and destroyed so they couldn't inflict any more atrocities on civilian populations.
@djyoungturk the problem is that to this day this mindset exists within the Turkish people and Turkish leadership. they are discovering mass graves of Kurdish people throughout Turkey. this is a very scary case to be witnessed by our generation. we were brought up believing violation of human rights was punishable, yet our country supports the Turkish government who openly commits human rights violation behind a curtain of democracy. this puts our values in serious doubt.
@Gunzyibo TURKEY IS STILL SECULAR COUNTRY....AND THE PEOPLE CAN VOTE FOR ISLAMIC PARTY LIKE PARTY OF ERDOGAN..CAUSE WE LIVE IN DEMOCRAZY? WE NEED TO RESPECT WHAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WANTS
how many indians, vietnamese, arabs did usa kill..how many millions? and still it stands like just and pure country..and make war anywhere they go...so shut up dumb american..you went as far as making false plane crashes to make a war to kill muslims and take their oil..oh pls shut up dumb ignorant american
Turkey has lost it! It has become a radical Muslim country, that is geting closer and closer to Islamic radical entities such as Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Al Qaeda. IHH - a Turkish Muslim terror organization has many ties with Al Qaeda.
Turkey continues to occupy Kurdish people who seek for independance, Turkey does not take responsibility for murdering 1.5 million Armenians and commiting them genocide...Turkey also occupied illegally Cyprus with no reason and holds this territory until now!
Turkey drops Israel for Iran as they would do it for Georgia... I think the Israelis might get it... neighbours = trade = Liras = Shekels (money)! Of course Israel doesn't get it because Israel doesn't have any neighbours.
I just love Turkey and Israel so much that it makes me mad that they are angry at each other. They should just eject the religious fundimentalists from government and they would be best friends. If the WHOLE world did that, the world would be a much nicer place.
Turkey may still be officially secular but it is in nature an Islamic nation, especially now under its present government. A deepening of ties between Iran and Turkey is very likely and will demonstrate further that the Turks are a backward Islamic people who have no place whatsoever in the European Union.
what's religion got to do with being backward you racist piece of shit the European union is all ready going down and is going under a big major fucking crises and your still bragging on about your shit EU, we don't want no EU, EU is a major disaster. Thank god we are not in the EU cause of Erdogan FUCK EU our ecnomy is getting better every day while EU is going down
@atticana Yea ı agree wıth you there because most Muslım countrıes are Kında messed up and Turks are really seperate ın my opınıon because there not as strıct as other muslım countrıes they are more Westernıezed,But stıll Knowıng englısh ıs very very useful thats why knowıng arabıc ısnt as useful as Englısh ı mıgrated from TUrkey to Amerıca and recently back to Turkey and ı have the best chances of gettıng ınto a good collage just cause of my englısh
With Iran close now to being admitted membership of the Shanghai cooperation Organisation; the threat of a China-Russia-Iran alliance looms threateningly..
Turkey was the only country with muslims that was a friend of Israel. Look I dont say muslim country because Turkey is not a muslim country officially. There was no problem between Israel and Turkey till Israel killed 9 nationals of Turkey for no reason and without any weapons. . They want Israel to pay for this. And they are right. Turkey shall not stup until Israel say sorry.
Turkey was an ally of Israel as long as the army had a grip over politics. Once AK was elected to power things gradually changed. From a pro West secular country, Turkey is shifting to an Islamist regime that strive to be a regional leader with an alliance with Iran.
Turkish show after operation Cast Lead was just an excuse to end that alliance. Since, Turkish TV is competing with Iran and Syria on Antisemitic propaganda. And the regime (by proxies) help Hamas.
On the way back from turkey after the gaza massacre, the man behind me railed against muslims and praised israel intermittently for about 11 hours, he said every horrible thing you could possibly say about muslims, quite loudly, while surrounded by about 100 turkish muslims, most of whom speak at least some english. After the flight was over, he couldn't get his backpack on, so one of the subhuman muslim savages who just listened to his insults for about 11 hours helped him get it on.
Get off the high horse? Why, because a genocide happened 100 years ago? How racist do you have to be to believe that today's turks are responsible for the armenian genocide? Did they inherit the guilt? That actually happened under the ottoman empire, which has nothing to do with the present government of turkey. israel killed 9 turkish citizens, before that, israel bombed gaza, which is a prison. That made turks very sad and angry, I know, I was there and saw their reaction.
@n8glenn btw, if you try to conceal your open contempt for muslims just a little bit, it might lend a little more credibility to your analysis of the islamic world.
@n8glenn Actually, yes they inherited it whole-heartedly through their state-sponsored Genocide denial campaign, confiscation of Christian properties, continuation of destroying Christian monuments, and treating Christian citizens in second class manner to include subtle and not so subtle means (see Hrant Dink). Turkey is built on lies and the blood of their murdered Christian citizenry.
@crusader1492 So basically you're telling me that babies born in turkey today are guilty of crimes committed 100 years ago?! What a racist statement! Of course, if you examine your own username, which is built upon the celebration of two separate genocides (the crusades, where jews and muslims were slaughtered, and columbus's genocide of 4 million native americans) then by your own argument you yourself are guilty of multiple genocides.
@crusader1492 Maybe, but that's why the turkish government is trying to compensate people who lost their land in the past right now. Of course, I agree about the histrionics, I think you should stop the histrionics and while you're at it stop hating turkish people.
@n8glenn Whatever Turkey has done recently to "compensate" (90+ years later) is just widow dressing and is done for PR purposes...it's completely cynical and no one is buying it. Restoring a dilapidated church will by no means absolve Genocidal Turkey. Nothing short of recognition and reparations will suffice. On the bright side, many Turks (not including you, if infact you are Turkish), are waking up to the state sponsered lies they were indoctrinated with. Perhaps there is hope.
@crusader1492 Well, I've been to turkey several times, I know basically what's going on there, I'm wondering how many times you've "crusaded" over there yourself. I'm guessing zero. You have no idea what people in turkey are like or what they're thinking. Of course the turkish government is by no means perfect, in fact it has a long way to go to be a good government. Our government is far worse, and indoctrinates people far more effectively.
@n8glenn ...so you're saying there is no hope? That wouldn't suprise me either. Btw, I've never been to Turkey and never will. I have no interest in supporting an their economy.
@crusader1492 Exactly, you have no idea what you're talking about, and as for whether there is hope, only you know that. I'm guessing there is no hope for you because you are too brainwashed and scared to possibly know the truth and escape your mental shackles.
@crusader1492 And btw, there are right now as we speak many christians and even a few jews in turkey, and they're doing just fine, thank you very much, probably because there aren't many people in turkey who think like you and judge and condemn people based on their religion or race or what they falsely assume their ancestors were like.
@n8glenn I'll call BS on this one. Christians (the few remaining in Turkey) are not doing fine. They face subtle and overt discrimination everyday. Btw, I don't have to travel to Turkey to know this. And as far as being a Jew in Turkey (especially in light of Israeli-Turkey relations)...that's a scary proposition. Anyway, you're a joke.
@crusader1492 Yeah, you call whatever you want, you have no clue, have never been there, and have no interest in going there, and the only thing you KNOW is that you hate muslims. Based on your own prejudice, you pass judgement on turks and assume that they're doing horrible things because of their religion. As far as being scared, of course you're scared, that's why you hate muslims so much, turks have expressed to me how comical they find this fear, often expressed by israeli tourists.
@crusader1492 Not only are christians doing fine, but turkey is the home of many relics of the early christian church, which are lovingly preserved and visited by many people every year. The motto of Ankara, the capital of turkey, is the "city of tolerance", and this motto is shown along side the crescent, the cross, and the star of david. Yes, I saw that with my own eyes. You think that's a joke, be my guest, I have other thoughts.
So, before you start using terms like "getting off our high horse", you should stop for a moment and consider that the present government in Turkey does NOT represent the silent majority of the Turkish people. We want relations to be as they were with Israel. We also want a just & lasting peace in the region. But, as many Jewish groups blindly support Armenians (who openly murdered them before, during & after WWI AND WWII), & other anti-Turkish factions, consider were you'd be now w/o Turkey!
In addition, while the Nazis were murdering Jews, Turkey was arranging for many to escape, many to come & be welcomed into Turkey as their new home (Christian nations were eager to turn Jews over to the Nazis to save their own bacon). As for the flottilla, the Israelis attacked the unarmed ships 20 miles BEYOND their own terrorism line, well into international waters! This made them PIRATES on the high seas! A recent commission concluded that 4-5 of the wounded civilians were EXECUTED!
VERY TRUE BUT JEWS DONT WANNA KNOW THEY WONT LİSTEN TO US
XOME TO ANOTHER JEW HE COULD SAY İ SAW A DONKEY FLYİN AND THEY WOULD NOT DOUBT THEM. TURKEY SAVED THE JEWS WHEN THE ARMENİANS WERE MASS MURDERİNG THEM NO ONE ELS STOOD UP FPR THEM NOW ALL THİS SHİT. FUCK THEM THE DAY TURKEY GOES TO WAR İ WİLL BE THERE FİGHTİNG FOR MY VATAN AGAİNST THESE BACKSTABBİNG JEWS THATS ALL THEY GOOD FOR
I'm not a big fan of Erdogan's government! I'd love to see him replaced & Turkey get back on it's track which Ataturk had paved for her (pro-West, Secular, etc.). However, with all due respect, Israel and the Jewish community should also realize that Turkey saved countless Jews in the world's history, when no other country in the world would help any of them (especially Christian nations which persecuted them relentlessly)! Turkey was the first nation to recognize & welcome Israel as a nation!
If Turkey were indeed guilty of this alledged "genocide", the Armenians had 95 years to take Turkey to criminal & civil courts. Why have they never done so? Because, in any court of law, the judge(s) will demand to see UNALTERED evidence! The Armenians know that they have nothing that hasn't been forged, falsified or fabricated. The Malta Trials, with British and Armenian prosecutors, had almost a year to find any shread of evidence. They couldn't find ANYTHING incriminating then! That's why!!
To this day, Armenians have refused to debate us in an open public forum with full media coverage! WHY? For over 100 years, they have manipulated Christian missionaries into unwittingly helping them to con the rest of the Christian world into believing an event which never transpired (a.k.a. The Century-Old Armenian Con Job)! Armenians NEVER talk about the 2.5 million deaths (Turks, Kurds, Greeks, Laz, Arabs, Persians, Azeris, Tartars, Georgians, Jews) due to the actions of Armenian dashnaks!
We have seen the "evidence" which the Armenians present as "proof" of an alledged "genocide". We've seen the photos & documents they present. Through extensive research, some of the photos are shown to have been PhotoShopped, while the others are intentionally mislabled (supposed Armenian bodies with Turkish soldiers, when via research, the actual photos were found, showing the same picture, but from 30 years later, of Nazis posing with murdered Jews!); the documents are totally forged!
Turkey "is accused of killing 1.5 million Armenians"! In the Christian world, Turkey has already been tried & convicted of a crime, which is alledged, without even once being heard! There's been no due process! Turkey is GUILTY until proven INNOCENT! Has anyone seen the "evidence" which the Armenians present? We have! The protocols were to establish a historical commission to examine all the world's archives & come to a final conclussion! Armenians refuse to have this implemented! WHY?
turkey always was muslim and fondamentalism. The only reason why they were an ally of Israel for a short period was because they needed a jewish lobby in Washington agaisnt the resolution that will reconize the armenian genocide. I am glad that Israel is awake now about the real face of faschist-turkey. Let's be United. Kurdestan and Israel. The oldest nation of Middle East are back for a new World Order.
turkey always was muslim and fondamentalism. The only reason why they were an ally of Israel for a short period was because they needed a jewish lobby in Washington agaisnt the resolution that will reconize the armenian genocide. I am glad that Israel is awake now about the real face of faschist-turkey. Let's be United. Kurdestan and Israel. The oldest nation of Middle East are back for a new World Order.
@MedaiKurd Interesting point about the tie-in to Israel in America lobbying against (along with the Turks of course) an declaring of a Turkish genocide of Armenians.
YOU SİK GUY WHEN TURKEY DEPORTED ARMENİANS THEY DİDNOT USE FORCE THEY DO NOT KİLL İNNOCENT KURDS ONLY PKK. YOU CALL YOURSELF A MUSLİM YOU LİKE KURDİSTAN TO JOİN UP WİTH A NATİON THATS KİLLİNG İNNOCENT MUSLİM WOMAN AND CHİLDREN AS WE TALK. GO İSRAEL BECOME A JEW YOU SİCK FUCK YOU THİNK ANY JEW WİLL EVER RESPECT YOU THEY LAUGH AT YOU YOU. İ HOPE EVERY KURD AİNT LİKE YOU FUCKİN DİSCRACE AND ALSO YOU DONT KNOW YOUR POLATİCS VERY WELL SO LEARN BEFOR YOU CHAT SHİT
@ghostboi8883 As long you behabe like an arrogant and ignorant turk, there will be no peace. First, Dersim (tunceli) genocide you have to acknowledge. Second stop the occupation of Kurdistan. We don't want your Gestapo (polis, jitem) terorising our society. Third reconize aremnian genocide. Forth stop ocupayin Cypruss. You are the center of Evil. You must be defeated bloody descendent of Cengiz Khan. Go to hell!
@MedaiKurd Tell me something please. You are Kurdish, yes? How is it that you can even dare mention Armenians AND then also support them, after they massacred thousands of Kurds before, during and after WWI? Do you realize that you have made a deal with Shetan(Satan, the Devil) by taking their side, the very ones who murdered yours and my grandfamilies! What kind of a person/people are you?!! Cyprus is not your concern! You know nothing about what happened to the Turks there, how they suffered!
TURKEY DONT NEED TO HİDE SHİT İF WE KİLLED ALL THEM ARMENİANS THERE WOULD BE NONE TODAY. YOU SHOULD JOİN PKK THEY ALSO WORK WİTH İSRAEL. YOU SİCK FUCK
@MedaiKurd ibne kurtler yahudi allah sik kosmus millet yahudiyle ortak olunmaz ?yer yuzune gonderilen butun peygamberleri tuzak kuran bir millet onlarin hepsi lanetli milletir uyuma kurd kardesim bende ?kurdum mardin kurdu /uyan gardaslarim kanmayin onlara biz turkuz hepimiz ????bizim vatanimiz bolunmez asla unutma bunu sen yahudi komsularina soyle onlari ?bir baha turkey.?deme >ulkemizin adi ya anadolu yada?turkiye?her seyin hesap gunu var unutma her tasin altindalar korkak yahudi lanetli?mille
Respond to this video... u fuck ibne inglish or american jew its not turkey ?anatolia or turkiye ?its not israil ????filistin we won't atak filistin we will atak zionest people .gog and magog nation wich its the jew?????who ever u ar????
@Kitsis why are you ashamed of representing your own people with your own identity? is it because you know you have no justifiable argument to prove any legal or just claim of the Turkish people over the land of Anatolia? perhaps. but i would argue that Turks are fundamentalists, racist, nationalist and extremists. history has clearly recorded that Turks participating in ethnic cleansing, genocide and mass murder of civilian populations. whether USA admits this or not doesn't mean anything.
@TheScienceofnature well isn`t isarel´s ethnic cleansing more recent then what turks did for over 100 years ago?! israel want to act the little natzies of M.E and great powers of M.E IRAN & TURKEY is gonna prevent that. USA is soon to realise that ISR is a burden rather then a importent client while their potential co-op with IRAN & TURKEY is way better & less embarrasing then to co-op with natzi ISR. that`s partially why ISR is shitting it self to loose it`s valiue to USA! poor natzies...!
@DHSNAKE as far as i am aware, Israel has always accepted the Arabs, they have accepted a two state Israel, one for the Arabs, the other for the Jews. however what Israel has not agreed on is for any land, claimed by the Palestinians, to be used by foreigners as a base on which to attack Israel. which is a lot more than what the Turks have done for their 30 million Kurdish population.
@TheScienceofnature (P5) so i ask you, what`s just with that? nazies were crushed cause they were extreme right country opposing USA but if that kind of system would work & serve US interests it would be ok? well, the hole situation got a new turn after the start of ISR proxy, US became the target of massive ifluence attack by the zionist movement & now 70 years later no US politian dares to critsize ISR if they still want to keep their jobs! do you see the 3 sides of this problem now?
@DHSNAKE I don't think Israel controls the west and uses all their power and influence for the best interests of Jews and Israel. I think the west uses Israel and the Jews as the means of maintaining a foothold in middle east. the occupation of Israel was first done under western Christian, the crusader wars was launched not to occupy Israel, but to recapture it. the Arabs occupied it and took it from the grip of the eastern Roman empire. so Arabs themselves are foreigners in Israel, as are Jews
Ottomans are accused of killing Armenians not Turkey idiot get you facts right. And the population of Armenşans in 1910 is about 600.000 How can ottomans can kill 1500000 people when there aren't many people in the region. Did they clone the armenians and killed them again ??? (I know number is irrevelant but it shows that not everything is said abot the armenian genoide is true)
MrDenocan 2 months ago
Religion, the root of all evil.
butchman1 3 months ago
why you forgot that western killed millions of muslims around the world ...viva Turkey from Sudan , Islamic Empire will rise again no doubt about that ..
MrBigboss20011 4 months ago
TURKEY AND IRAN ARE NEIGHBORS.. AND THEY SHOULD STAY TOGETHER FUCK ISRAEL
0098xxx 4 months ago
@0098xxx Turkey is trying to overthrow the Assad regime, the Assad regime is the closest ally of Iran and biggest enemy of Israel. Turkey supports the Anti Assad fighters and attempts to destabilize Syria means that Turkey and Iran are enemies and Turkey and Israel are allies. without Syria and Iran, Palestine will be cleaned of all Muslim populations within a week. Turkey is indirectly and directly supporting Israel in multiple cases and opposing Palestinians, Iran and Syria in multiple cases.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@TheScienceofnature U FUCKING DUMB SHIT.. TURKEY ARE MUSLIMS AND THERE NEIGHBORS WITH IRAN..THATS ALL BULL SHIT PROPAGANDA WEST IS MAKING WATCH SOME TURKISH NEWS ABOUT THIS ISSEU DONT BELIVE FOX NEWS U DUMB FUCK STUPID REDNECK .. IRAN AND TURKEY ARE CLOSER THEN THEY HAVE EVER BEEN.. EVEN ERDOGAN SAID AHMADINEJAD IS FRIEND OF TURKEY.. FUCKING ISRAEL ARE THE TERRORIST AND SOON THEY WILL BE WIPED OUT EVEN IF TURKEY DOESNT TAKE ANY ACTION AGAINST ISRAEL.. I PROMISE U IRAN WILL.
0098xxx 4 months ago
@0098xxx you call me dumb and you get your opinions from a Turkish TVs and newspapers. i get first hand news out of middle east. what i tell you is fact, you decide what they mean. Turkey has openly threatened Syria and Assad. at one point, Turkey said they would send Syria back to the stone age. Syria created the PKK, Ojalan was based in Syria until Israel captured him and handed over to Turkey. Syria IS an ally of Iran. they have DEFENSIVE alliance. you mess with Syria, you mess with Iran.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@TheScienceofnature u no im not sayin syria and iran arent allies they are .. im saying after frotilla turkey and israel aint the same.. and turkey is looking more east as they should be they dont need fucking europe bunch of broke ass countreys.. aks any true turk.. they dont like israel.. ive got many turkish friend non of them like israel trust me turkish ppl like to kill israelis as much we iranians like to ;) ur to stupid just shut up :)
0098xxx 4 months ago
@0098xxx a few Turkish lives lost is by no means a significant factor to make major political decisions with. turkey needs far bigger reasons to declare Israel enemies and Iran an ally. what turkey and Israel are doing is simply a political game. Turkey is trying to win over the Muslim population throughout middle east and Israel needs to get rid off Iran and Syria fast. that is the end game, and at the moment both Israel and Turkey are working towards just that. ignore the mass media
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@TheScienceofnature u no the first world war began with a single shot ;) so dont tell me 9 lives aint enough to start a war
0098xxx 4 months ago
@0098xxx why do you think Iran stopped its attacks on PJAK? because PJAK and PKK are the same organization. by Destroying PJAK you are destroying the PKK and at the moment that is the last thing Iran wants. Iran needs PKK to continue keeping Turkey busy and its efforts divided, that way Turkey won't be able to concentrate its efforts on Syria. you have no idea how dangerous the situation in middle east at the moment. if WW3 was to begin, it will be because of something like this.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@0098xxx at the moment you have Turkey and Israel on one side backed by EU and USA, Iran and Syria on the other side backed by China and Russia. a middle eastern coalition is being organized with backing by NATO to attack Syria and overthrow Assad. which means Saudi Arabia is on Israels side as well. sounds pretty crazy, but believe me, in politics, religion and nationality means nothing. only power, land and money.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@TheScienceofnature true true only money power and land.. but let me tell u this we iranians dont even worry about saudi arabis hahaha we dont even count them as a power they are puppets of us and israel.. an soon we deal with those fucking saudi rats.. if china russia iran and syria are united bro.. nato us israel dont even have a chance.. iran got venezuela.. they will boms u.s from iranian bases in venezuela even if turkey chikend out israel and us are still fucked
0098xxx 4 months ago
@TheScienceofnature true u mess with syria u mess with iran.. but trust turkey wont mess with iran not even us, or israel is that stupid..iran already said let dance to israel.. israelis chikend out now they want us to attack iran but iran is powerfull they got power like it or not...but iran and turkey are friends .. ur not even a turk why u act like u know everything about turkish ppl u fucking moron when the time comes u will c.. i quess ur a fucking jew innit ;)
0098xxx 4 months ago
@0098xxx haha, OK mate, you go and be friends with turkey. when Turkey has its dick up Irans ass and Syria is invaded, then tell me Turkey is your friend. what about those missiles they allowed America to deploy in Turkey? was that out of friendship to Iran? those missiles are counter measures to Irans newly developed weapons. that means Irans weapons are useless now. hardly a friendship.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@TheScienceofnature ur to stupid its not like iran needs turkey.. iran has the strongest army in the middeleast.. thats why after 33 years u.s still didnt attack iran.. they only attack those fucking weak arabs.. but i like it tough.. arabs and jews killing eachother is a good thing .. i hope they keep doeing it till everyone of them is dead ;)
0098xxx 4 months ago
@0098xxx i am not arguing that Iran needs anyone, Iran could survive without food, water and air. USA put sanction on Iran preventing Iran from buying oil in the market, Iran takes all the oil from Iraq under the eyes of USA. when they found out they were pretty angry, but couldn't do anything about it to this day. all i am saying is that those Turks are no friends of Iran. the struggle in middle east will soon come to end, either east or west will dominate the future of the region.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@TheScienceofnature bro u dont no this for sure.. nothing its what it seems trust me
0098xxx 4 months ago
@0098xxx maybe Turkish politicians are too stupid to do this calculations in their own heads, they think every country is Greece and Armenia. Syria is strong. the Syrian insurgents, the ones who deserted the Syrian army fled to Turkey, they are raiding Syrian towns and cities from inside Turkey backed by Turkish support. that is one step away from total war which automatically drags Iran into it. Turkey is in over its heads. Turkey and Iran are enemies. Syrians are Muslims as well.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
Israel killed its citizens if it was the other way round Israel would do exactly the same. Turks like Israelis, what they don't like is their government policies. This Armenian BS never goes to court for 1 reason its already been there and every time they are kicked out due to lack of evidence. As they say politicians do not require proof they just want votes, historians require proof why not ask them if you are 100% confident. Civil war is the main reason people died nothing more.
levendful 4 months ago
@levendful there is plenty of evidence for the Armenian genocide, do you know why they never make it to those courts? because Turkey is an ally of America, all the evidence is locked up in Britain. those countries make billions of dollars out of this Armenian case. every time they need Turkey to do something they bring the case back. its not just Israel, recently France talked about it as well. they will only take it as far as they need to though, once Turkey does what they want, silence again..
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - Funny thing is Armenia refuses to open its own archives, that shows there is no evidence. Not a single shred of evidence has been shown to anyone, not to historians who are not bias. Russia also would have some evidence but its no where to be seen. Just open those archives? If I was 100% certain I would have those archive doors open, but there seems to be some doubt. Which is probably the main reason it never goes to court.
levendful 4 months ago
@levendful you talk like there is no grounds on which the Armenian Genocide to be based on. the Armenian genocide by the Ottoman empire is very well documented and most of the events are made public. you are right in saying that it isn't taken as seriously as the Holocaust, but that is only because the mass media power which America posses is far greater than that which Russia has, and it was the Russians whom the Armenians relied on. this history is suppressed because of politics.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@levendful i believe that there is a lack of effort and will from the Armenian government to pursue this case and settle it once and for all. this is not even a debate, you cannot argue about facts. to see the Turks deny this human tragedy and refuse to learn from it shows a great level of Armenian incompetence. Turkey doesn't just deny historical events which is bad for the image of Turkey, they deny the existence of some 25 million Kurds. outrageous lies by the Turkish state is a common thing.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - There is plenty of evidence for civil war too which makes the evidence for Genocide obsolete. Many battalions of Armenians fighting alongside the French and Russian pre so called Genocide. The reason the Armenian government refuses to open up its archives is because it will reveal the true numbers and destroy its case. Its the main reason it never goes to court its not due to so called bias, its due to some contradictions in what the diaspora claims.
levendful 4 months ago
@levendful there is no doubt that Armenian were supported by the Russians. this was the reason to why the Turks killed civilian Assyrian and Armenian. the reason behind it was that they were Christians. the people who have been killed during war are different from those who were taken to the Arabian deserts and killed. you are mixing up the events. I am taking about specific evidence which show the killing of civilian Armenian by the Ottoman Turks, they called themselves the young Turks.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - You realise alot of what you say contradicts what others Armenians say? There is sufficient evidence to argue civil war too seeing as a large portion of Armenians actually supported the wipe out of the muslim population during that area. There are several mass graves uncovered which can verify this, some found near the Erzurum area. I am finding it hard to believe that a side that betrayed their own country can then claim genocide when their side loses.
levendful 4 months ago
@levendful Turkey denies the existence of 20 million Kurds, i think denying something that happened in the past is not as big of a lie. so why not do it? Turks have been in Anatolia for about 800 years or so. before that there were no Turks in Anatolia. only Greeks, Armenian, Kurds and other ethnicities. Turks have managed to successfully cleanse Anatolia from all non Turkish population in a very short period of time. what Turks have done is nothing less than what the Nazis were doing in Germany
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - the 20mil Kurds are recognized, they can vote and be voted into parliament, There was a population exchange with the Greece. Well documented. Your telling the US to leave their lands as the native indians were there well before - that argument is just not valid. You would get laughed at if you were to say it in the US. The Armenian community joined the French and Russians in the hope of wiping out Muslims (Turks and Kurds) from eastern Turkey and why the civil war.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful the 20 million Kurds of Turkey only got recognized after the Iraqi Kurdistan was recognized by the US as the Kurdish regional government. before that the Kurdish language was banned, speaking Kurdish, wearing Kurdish clothes; saying anything remotely close to Kurdish was very harshly punished by Law. my argument is not that Turks should go back to their native land, its to prevent Turkey from using its power to suppress vulnerable communities and in turn causing human tragedies.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful if america was to do what Turkey is doing today, it would suffer major political setbacks. the idea of racism, nationalism; any form of hatred and prejudice should be kept at a personal level, governments should not base politics and strategies on such grounds. i admit to the massacre of native Americans by the European colonists, such history is not denied, it is studies and is open for research in american libraries. Turkey is attempting to distort history, that is a crime.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful shame on you for supporting hatred. if you really loved your country you would not allow a bunch of idiots like those who encourage racism and hared in Turkey to influence you and make you participate in extremism and provocative behavior. Kurds are the native people of Turkey, if they truly are part of Turkey then they should be treated like that, allowed to express themselves and in turn protect justice and equality in Turkey. this mafia state of Turkey is not worth fighting for
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - I can same exactly the same thing about you Shame on you for encourage hatred, all I asked is for you to show some proof. Instead I heard Armenian Hatred of Turks, accusations with not proof. Whats wrong with asking for proof? Is there something to hide? The Kurds do vote and if they were so repressed they would in fact vote for the Kurdish party but in fact they voted for the current prime minister. That tells you something?
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful when did i encourage hatred? all i am saying is not to allow any country or any organization to destroy history, to destroy the truth for political reasons. especially when the history is regarding human rights violations. people should be educated about these things, told about the true horror of ethnic cleansing not dumbed down and told that its all fine. criminals should be recognized and brought to justice not hidden and made heroes.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful you couldn't say the same thing about me. i am neither Armenian nor Turkish. i don't have any blind affection to any country or any material interests to protect. i am simply arguing that if we encourage violence and unrest just because we love our country and expect that others don't, then the same will be done to us as well. maybe not in our lifetime, but to our children and grand children. Turkish people will lose a lot by behaving like kinds, ignoring important things
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful you speak about America as if they are enemies of Turkey, Turkey is a puppet of Europe and America. they cannot do anything without consulting the west first. this whole crap about attacking Israel and undermining western interests in middle east is a facade, under the desk Turkey is doing exactly what America wants them to do.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - You have alot of contradicting statements First you admit that the US/British wiped out close to 200mil Native indians but do not claim that as Genocide. You don't mention the 1.5mil Muslims that were slaughtered by the Armenians (which is classified as Genocide as per your argument). Again I point to Armenias refusal to open their archives to international scrutiny which again supports in part the claim of civil war.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful colonization of america had nothing to do with British and USA. America was colonized by all European people. in those days there was no such thing as the charter of human rights. slavery was not yet abolished. you cannot punish someone for a crime with a law which did not exist at the time the crime was committed. even if Turkey doesn't make up for their sins, they should at least admit it so that it doesn't happen again. i would ask the Armenians to do the same as well.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - Funny you mention the charter - When did the United nations recognize genocide in its current form? It does answer your question. Based on your argument we can conclude there was no genocide "you cannot punish someone for a crime with a law which did not exist at the time" In this case the accusation against the Turks is invalid?
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful the International Humanitarian Law came into existence between 1864 and 1949. although various article have been added to define the difference between genocide and civilian causalities, the idea of protecting the rights and lives of individuals in armed conflicts is older than WW1. the Ottoman empire did not sign to this treaty in its early days. today Turkey should not be allowed to enjoy the comfort of peace when it protect its rights to commit war crimes.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful despite the fact that when America was colonized there were no such humanitarian laws, all European power have recognized and admitted to the cruelty they committed towards indigenous populations. e.g. Britain has formally apologized to the apartheid and the crimes committed towards the indigenous people of Australia...etc the European powers have not attempted to fabricate history and mislead their people. but Turkey continues to uphold that old feudal mindset.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - It still comes down to proof, the opening of the Armenian archives will settle this case. You must admit if evidence is being hidden any court case can be appealed. This is the basic right, and so if the Armenian government can not open up its archives how can anyone believe anything that comes out. The Turks could flood the courts with stories about their family victims as much as the Armenians can. All I say open the archives let historians decide not politicians.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful when you say don't believe anything that comes out, by that you mean anything that comes out of Turkish politician and mass media? there is something called trust, it is easily lost and very hard to gain. Turkey is a country that has proven itself to be untrustworthy. in recent history they have committed countless acts of human rights violations, ethnic cleansing and extremism towards minority populations inside and outside Turkey. the Kurds are an example of these people.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful i accept that proof is more powerful than words. the problem is that Turkey does not except any proof that goes against its case. they have powerful friends in the west to cover things up for them and suppress the truth in regards to the crimes which the Turkish government has committed towards other. the Armenian case is looked at more as a political case than a historical one. Turkey is allied to USA and Armenian to Russia. Russia does not deny it and USA doesn't speak of it
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - From memory Its the Armenian government who refuses to open archives to independent historians no one else. It has nothing to do with friends, hide information and it raises doubts as simple as that. You are stating as if there is proof, again archives from the Armenian government are hidden from historians. By saying the Turks have to accept you are saying I don't care what proof you may have I will hide anything that discredits my case accept what I say. Is that right?
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful you are putting words in my mouth, i never implied nor said any of the things you accuse me of saying. there has never been such courts nor such archives made public. following the collapse of the Ottoman empire, the east and the west were locked in a constant struggle for dominance. no western power ever took the the Armenian genocide to court and no eastern power was capable of making it into a case that is equal to that of the Jewish holocaust. the reason is simple, mass media.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - You have made up your mind without even having a look at any proof. The Archives I talk about were even discussed quite often, most recent was 2 years ago of which Armenia still refuse to open. I doubt I will convince you to even look to both sides of the argument before making a decision. I would love to see both sides but Armenian government has locked up some of the evidence with no one allowed to see. This strengthens the Turks argument.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful i have looked at the proofs. there has never been any independent, public global investigation of the Armenian genocide. such investigations have never been carried out, if they have they must have been restricted that is why the Armenians and the world in general didn't take it seriously. i too can go and get a bunch of guys with glasses and tell them to look busy and read this script when you are done. that is more like something that Turkey would do.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - Thanks for verifying my assumptions check the number of websites which discuss this matter, a clear majority are by funded by the Armenian Diaspora in California. You prejudge before listening to both sides so I doubt I would bother this discussion. Good luck with your single minded way the end of the day I just hope any information in the archives is released so we can make an informed decision. I judge by proof not via Webpage clicks.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful the internet is far more reliable source of information than the Turkish archives of world war 1. you are denying a historical event. that is like denying the sun exists. how can i argue with you. you are taking a case which is obvious and clear, shredding it up and saying its something else.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - You serious? You smoking anything? I want to see proof, Armenia refuses to open their archives which tells me something about their version of history. You are refusing to even listen to the other side least I am willing to listen. I just want to see some proof, not websites. I can create 1000 websites in 1 day doesn't make anything I write fact. Archives are historical documents they can be checked against other archives.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful there is a clear line between bu llshit and legitimate sources. you tell me what you accept as a reliable source i can get them for you. i myself have been to the British archives library and have looked at several books in regards to the Armenian and Assyrian genocide by the Ottoman Turks. it clearly records the encounter of Laurence of Arabia with a Turkish Ottoman force which had just massacred a population of unarmed civilians. Laurence tracks them and ambushes the Turkish force
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - There are files in the Armenian Government archives on the number of people who joined the Russians and French. I'm not talking the watered down numbers the real stuff. Can you get me that? If the number is very large it indicates civil war or not. Also how many Militia was funded by Russia and France.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful they were brought from Hakari, they were a mix of Armenian and some Assyrian that were taken to the deserts of Syria to be killed and buried there. another encounter is when the Turks move into Hakarri province. the source comes from captured Ottoman military log by the British. it record that the reverend of the church runs ahead and begs the Turkish soldiers for mercy, they behead him and hang his dismembered body in public before killing the rest of the population
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - I have heard similar stories by the Turks on Armenian gangs wiping out whole villages. Mass graves found in the Erzurum area of Turks/kurds buried there. DNA does not lie in that front. When both sides claim the same thing who do you believe? Its down to historians to decide, why when politicians are deciding it actually weakens the argument. Tells me they have such a poor argument that they can't go to court but to politicians.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful this is a political issue. just like the Nazi extermination of the Jews. this kind of things will deny countries the right to have an army, or at least a large army. it will prevent them from being military powers. like Germany, they weren't allowed to have a standing army for a long time, and their army now is a very small one, dependant on other European powers.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful the events recorded are not interpretation of someone who wasn't even there. its the actual story as seen by the people who were present at the time. historians don't tell the truth all the time either. there is no way of telling that someone is Turkish or Armenian from DNA tests because there is no DNA for nationality, the majority of nationalities share similar DNA. i could be Turkish if i wanted to. so there is no way DNA can prove who the dead bodies are.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - There actually is as per your comment I have to find the exact quote Turks came from Asia as you said and the Armenian DNA is not from Asia. So yes in this case there is a difference. No ones seems to ask how many Turks died during that exact time, which points to approx 1.5mil as well. There is enough doubt to argue, you promised me you will get me my information from the Archives which will prove a case for civil war or not. Why are you avoiding some questions?
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful at no point during the first world war did any Armenian force reach any Turkish population. the Armenian armies were weak, and often without Russian support were unable to even defend against Turkish onslaughts. the only people at risk of being victims of war crimes were Kurdish and Armenian people in that conflict. because Turkish people do not inhabit eastern Anatolia, they occupy central and western Anatolia. no Armenian army has ever reached central Anatolia.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful I do not know how to give you any evidence. I suppose you would have to visit the library yourself in London. I am not a resident of London, I live in Edinburgh Scotland. while at university in London, I often visited the library and after finishing university work, I used to look at other historical events which the British were involved in. world war 1 is one of the major historical events in our history. we know it very well.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - You skip around alot of things, The Armenian Archives maybe? Where the information is held? If 5% of population male pop. then you may have a case but I am hearing numbers in the vicinity of 100k+ joining both the Russian and French armies. That is enough to say its a civil war, the militia did not just target Turks they targeted Kurds too as their goal was to wipe out the muslims and force the Kars treaty to be ratified. You say things as if you have facts but you don't
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful i am guessing your argument is that if the Turks hadn't done what they did, the Armenian would have. you might be right but you cannot consider that as a history. history is what happened not what might have happened. what happened was a major ethnic cleansing of mostly Christian populations during the end of the rule of the Ottomans by "the young Turks" and their hired Kurdish mercenaries. this is a controversial case which to this day is not properly acknowledged and studied.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - I'm not saying Armenians would have, I'm saying they did. Big difference, the mass graves are there is sufficient proof to put forward this argument. The hidden archives in Armenia may reveal the true extent to how many Turks/Kurds were killed by the Armenian Armies and Militia. The goal by the Russian forces was to enforce the Kars treaty and wipe out any potential resistance. So the Armenians were in charge of wiping out the Muslims in the future Greater Armenia dream.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful i do not know about any Armenian archives and frankly as a history student, i do not trust most middle eastern sources. they are unreliable because they are written by people. the evidence is often fabricated and missing. you have the history of the Turks which contradicts what Kurdish historians have written which in turn contradicts the accounts from the point of view of the Arabs. you are left with confusion rather than clarity. Armenians are also like this is history telling.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - There was a 2nd attempt to force the ratification of the Kars treaty in 1945, the Russians massed troops on the border. Promises were made by Russia if the Armenians wiped out the muslims in the region and greater Armenia could be formed. This can easily be verified in the US, at the same time a Turkish diplomat died, the US returned the diplomats body to Turkey onboard a destroyer. This was a signal to Russia that the US would get involved, the crisis was then avoided.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful maybe, but as you rightly put it yourself, that never happened. the Turks however did massacre about 1.5 million Christians following the collapse of the Ottoman empire. even today Turks are maintaining their effort in ethnically cleansing the Muslim Kurds in Turkey. its harder today that it was then, but looking at events, Turkey has taken every steps necessary to provoke Kurds into an armed conflict as to legitimise the cleansing of the Kurds in Turkey.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - So the mass graves in the region of Turks? You probably are a bad student of history if you go into an argument pre judging. Not going to waste my time with you anymore, First you claim the evidence is fabricated then you go on to support the any evidence that supports your view. Good luck to you but as I said early in the argument proof is what is required and that is lacking. Why the courts in the Hague dismissed this case and why this will continue on forever.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful i do not believe that Turkey has any good wills in the region. they are still inspired and led by the empire building mindset which they did when they migrated to Anatolia. because of this living with Turks and as neighbour of Turks is always tricky and bloody. Turkey supplied poisonous food to Armenian when they were first independent and they did to the Kurds of northern Iraq when it became an autonomous region. that is another genocide, unprovoked.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful i have personally bared witness to a sabotage which Turkish lorry driver were attempting in northern Iraq just a couple of years ago. they planted the lave of a specie of ant which in the following year devastated grain farms in Iraqi Kurdistan. i do not understand why Turks are so hostile towards these civilian Kurds, but i do think someone should do something about it. we are always putting the spotlight on Iran when our own allies are committing acts of ethnic cleansing
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful i believe that to this day, given the chance Turkey will commit genocide against Kurds, Armenian, Greeks and occupy Syria and Iraq. but thank god we live in a better world than the one which Turks comes from.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful the evidence i have comes from the British campaign of middle east during WW1. it is not a written history by a historian or a government official. they are mostly diaries, logs and captured documents from captains and soldiers who were present. the British museum of archives is a heaven for people who wish to study history. however our teachers often encourage us not to trust even those entirely. imagine a history that comes from a corrupt region like Turkey and Armenia.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@levendful during the Ottoman campaign in Anatolia, many Assyrian and Armenian were protected by Turkish civilians due to the fact they knew each other and had lived together for so long. in some cases, the Turkish armies and their Kurdish tribesmen whom the Ottomans had recruited as mercenaries, even went and killed the Turkish and Muslim families who harboured those Christians.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature - You realize Turkey has opened up its archives and Armenia refuses to right? Another thing this incident happened during the Ottoman empire times not during the Turkish Republic so you might want to take the Ottoman empire to court - the courts already have thrown the case out due to lack of proof. Russia recruited the Armenians during WWI again the Ottomans course they are going to support them. Open the Archives and let the truth be heard whats there to hide? easy as that.
levendful 3 months ago
@levendful the Turkish republic sees itself as the descendant of the Ottoman empire. that is why there is 20 million Kurds living under a Turkish authority, that is why Istanbul is not a Greek city but a Turkish one. Turkey lays claim to territories in Iraq because of the Ottoman empire. e.g. Musel and Kirkuk, even though Kirkuk was not even an Ottoman settlement. Turkey has a reputation for fabricating, lying and misleading people. that is why I believe they would suppress the Armenian case
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature The majority of the Asia Minor indigenous population was not cleansed, they converted to Islam and adopted the Turkish language. The Kurds were the only ones who massively kept their identity for some reasons.
panarkas 3 months ago
@panarkas Kurds have nowhere else to be deported to. the Greeks were deported to Greece, Armenians to their own country, some were killed, there were large Assyrian populations as well in Turkey most of whom were massacred while others were forced to become Turks. Kurds however are resilient people, they are able to survive in extreme conditions under extreme pressure. they are also very stubborn and honorable, unwilling to bend to pressure. which is why they still exist in Turkey.
TheScienceofnature 3 months ago
@TheScienceofnature What I meant is that the Greeks and Armenians who were Turkified were more than the ones who were deported or killed. The last wave of massive Turkifications was in 1922-1923. One of the main reasons the Kurds were not assimilated was that Kemal collaborated with them against the Greeks and the Armenians. He promised them a Turkish-Kurdish state where they would have a lot of privileges but did not keep his word after he was done with the Turkification of everyone else.
panarkas 3 months ago
Turkey will drop Europe, USA, and Isreal for Iran, Russia, China and other asian countries.
While they go up; we fall in shit...
Enzor2011 4 months ago
@Enzor2011 YEEE Turkey is going up YEEE Turkey is going up in SMOKE YEEE
ratzP 4 months ago
@ratzP What a senseless reaction....
Enzor2011 4 months ago
@Enzor2011 so is this a Shia United ?? i say is looosers united,,Iran is DEAD
ratzP 4 months ago
what Turkey has said to Israel is nothing to be taken seriously. Turkey has allowed America to deploy strategic missiles which Iran strongly opposed accusing both Turkey and America of disturbing the balance of power and peace in middle east. Turkey may have pushed Israel out of the way a little too aggressively, but it has punched Iran right in the jaws with those missiles. they are still allies, all this that is happening is only cover up for their assault on both Iran and the PKK
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
turkey and israel may not get along very well but turkey n iran also may not be a good neighbor.both of them are ambitious,want to be leader in the middle east.
why they do not quarrel like their ottoman-safavid anscester? just bcz of western power.so they hide their ambition for a moment but they will start to fight soon just like their anscester.
singularku 4 months ago
turkey is going to clean her country from the remaining zionist british colonial pressions
publictel 5 months ago
Fucking the Armenians did a rebel in Turkish land that why we fucking killed them ok cause them cunts where killing Turkish people and they got the money and weapons from the Russians.so go fuck ur self and Read ur history better then come and fucking start talking u fucking dick cheese cunts.us Turks will fucking rule the world again like we did for 620 years bitch.we have the best histoy in the world we came from asia and become Muslims and a big empire know we are going to be the next super
djyoungturk 5 months ago
@djyoungturk even if that were true, killing civilian population in cold blood is considered a genocide. which is what Turks did. there was never the country of Turkey during world war one, there was the Ottoman empire in which the Turks controlled much smaller territories than they claim today. so technically those Armenians and Assyrians that were forcibly removed and killed were living in their own lands, it was the Turks that were the aggressors, attacking and pillaging their villages
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@djyoungturk you cannot argue that those were Turkish lands. those lands had significant Armenian populations in them who settled long before Turks migrated to Anatolia. on what bases are you calling those lands Turkish? the only thing that makes it Turkish is the fact that Turks invaded it, then went on to ethnically cleanse any non Turkish population. which makes it no less a crime than the holocaust. if Hitler had won WW2 then based on this model, he too could justify his actions
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@djyoungturk the killing of civilian population is a war crime no matter what the excuse is. killing POW's is a war crime let alone civilians. the Armenian and Assyrian genocide was recorded in the diaries of Laurence of Arabia which exists in Britain today. he clearly witnessed the mass murder of civilians by Turkish soldiers whom he tracked down, ambushed and destroyed so they couldn't inflict any more atrocities on civilian populations.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@djyoungturk the problem is that to this day this mindset exists within the Turkish people and Turkish leadership. they are discovering mass graves of Kurdish people throughout Turkey. this is a very scary case to be witnessed by our generation. we were brought up believing violation of human rights was punishable, yet our country supports the Turkish government who openly commits human rights violation behind a curtain of democracy. this puts our values in serious doubt.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
who eva posted this video is one sided so theres no point of even writting a worthy comment to this!!!!!!! dumbass
Gunzyibo 5 months ago
@Gunzyibo That's me. Got your message loud and clear. Thanks for making my day!
hughesling 5 months ago
@Gunzyibo TURKEY IS STILL SECULAR COUNTRY....AND THE PEOPLE CAN VOTE FOR ISLAMIC PARTY LIKE PARTY OF ERDOGAN..CAUSE WE LIVE IN DEMOCRAZY? WE NEED TO RESPECT WHAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WANTS
dwaler27 4 months ago
no it is not...idiots
donatshabani 5 months ago
how many indians, vietnamese, arabs did usa kill..how many millions? and still it stands like just and pure country..and make war anywhere they go...so shut up dumb american..you went as far as making false plane crashes to make a war to kill muslims and take their oil..oh pls shut up dumb ignorant american
cicvara1985 5 months ago
nuke turkey those DOMUZ!!!
mdsv11 5 months ago
what? armenians? u come now whith the armenians? they die in a war, but the 9 turks die in fredom! u are killers!
kaderekusen 5 months ago
Turkey has lost it! It has become a radical Muslim country, that is geting closer and closer to Islamic radical entities such as Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Al Qaeda. IHH - a Turkish Muslim terror organization has many ties with Al Qaeda.
Turkey continues to occupy Kurdish people who seek for independance, Turkey does not take responsibility for murdering 1.5 million Armenians and commiting them genocide...Turkey also occupied illegally Cyprus with no reason and holds this territory until now!
ofri75 6 months ago
@ofri75 Dude who holds Palestian? Did you ask yourself this?
Why the F*** you dumbass people comment here and waste my time!!
Leave these grounds for intelligent people debate!! You should only read and learn..
TfLLondon 5 months ago
RELIGION OF PEACE?!?!?!?! PEACE AFTER YOU HAVE KILLED AND ENSLAVED?!!?! FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOUR PROPHET WAS A PAEDOPHILE!!!!!!!!!!
dljc1979 6 months ago
Turkey drops Israel for Iran as they would do it for Georgia... I think the Israelis might get it... neighbours = trade = Liras = Shekels (money)! Of course Israel doesn't get it because Israel doesn't have any neighbours.
nmgscp 7 months ago
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Turkey was the only country with muslims that was a friend of Israel. Israel is the Problem
karakafaTURK 7 months ago
i hope iran fucks up israel
amir105 7 months ago
israel must bu destroyed. oh turks, o glorious nation, the sons of marteryrs ! wake up and make history once again!!
TheTurkicWorld 9 months ago
I just love Turkey and Israel so much that it makes me mad that they are angry at each other. They should just eject the religious fundimentalists from government and they would be best friends. If the WHOLE world did that, the world would be a much nicer place.
igratkransy 9 months ago
Turkey may still be officially secular but it is in nature an Islamic nation, especially now under its present government. A deepening of ties between Iran and Turkey is very likely and will demonstrate further that the Turks are a backward Islamic people who have no place whatsoever in the European Union.
atticana 10 months ago
@atticana
what's religion got to do with being backward you racist piece of shit the European union is all ready going down and is going under a big major fucking crises and your still bragging on about your shit EU, we don't want no EU, EU is a major disaster. Thank god we are not in the EU cause of Erdogan FUCK EU our ecnomy is getting better every day while EU is going down
kerim188887 5 months ago
@kerim188887 If Turkey is so wonderful then why do you live in Australia?!
atticana 5 months ago
@atticana Mıgratıon duh
TheTurkishFalcon 5 months ago
@TheTurkishFalcon Funny isn't it how you guys NEVER emigrate to Muslim countries but always come to Western societies. Rather revealing is it not?
atticana 5 months ago
@atticana Yea ı agree wıth you there because most Muslım countrıes are Kında messed up and Turks are really seperate ın my opınıon because there not as strıct as other muslım countrıes they are more Westernıezed,But stıll Knowıng englısh ıs very very useful thats why knowıng arabıc ısnt as useful as Englısh ı mıgrated from TUrkey to Amerıca and recently back to Turkey and ı have the best chances of gettıng ınto a good collage just cause of my englısh
TheTurkishFalcon 5 months ago
@TheTurkishFalcon Fair enough.
atticana 5 months ago
With Iran close now to being admitted membership of the Shanghai cooperation Organisation; the threat of a China-Russia-Iran alliance looms threateningly..
These are very dangerous times.
crocfme 1 year ago
@crocfme Wow. That is interesting news. Disconcerting.
hughesling 1 year ago
@hughesling
Perhaps association with China will be a stabilising influence? I don't imagine China wants their trading partner involved in any global conflict..
crocfme 1 year ago
@crocfme really ??
madiovich 5 months ago
Turkey was the only country with muslims that was a friend of Israel. Look I dont say muslim country because Turkey is not a muslim country officially. There was no problem between Israel and Turkey till Israel killed 9 nationals of Turkey for no reason and without any weapons. . They want Israel to pay for this. And they are right. Turkey shall not stup until Israel say sorry.
uyusmaz11 1 year ago
@uyusmaz11
Turkey was an ally of Israel as long as the army had a grip over politics. Once AK was elected to power things gradually changed. From a pro West secular country, Turkey is shifting to an Islamist regime that strive to be a regional leader with an alliance with Iran.
Turkish show after operation Cast Lead was just an excuse to end that alliance. Since, Turkish TV is competing with Iran and Syria on Antisemitic propaganda. And the regime (by proxies) help Hamas.
Nir31 1 year ago
On the way back from turkey after the gaza massacre, the man behind me railed against muslims and praised israel intermittently for about 11 hours, he said every horrible thing you could possibly say about muslims, quite loudly, while surrounded by about 100 turkish muslims, most of whom speak at least some english. After the flight was over, he couldn't get his backpack on, so one of the subhuman muslim savages who just listened to his insults for about 11 hours helped him get it on.
n8glenn 1 year ago
Get off the high horse? Why, because a genocide happened 100 years ago? How racist do you have to be to believe that today's turks are responsible for the armenian genocide? Did they inherit the guilt? That actually happened under the ottoman empire, which has nothing to do with the present government of turkey. israel killed 9 turkish citizens, before that, israel bombed gaza, which is a prison. That made turks very sad and angry, I know, I was there and saw their reaction.
n8glenn 1 year ago 11
@n8glenn btw, if you try to conceal your open contempt for muslims just a little bit, it might lend a little more credibility to your analysis of the islamic world.
n8glenn 1 year ago
@n8glenn Actually, yes they inherited it whole-heartedly through their state-sponsored Genocide denial campaign, confiscation of Christian properties, continuation of destroying Christian monuments, and treating Christian citizens in second class manner to include subtle and not so subtle means (see Hrant Dink). Turkey is built on lies and the blood of their murdered Christian citizenry.
crusader1492 4 months ago
@crusader1492 So basically you're telling me that babies born in turkey today are guilty of crimes committed 100 years ago?! What a racist statement! Of course, if you examine your own username, which is built upon the celebration of two separate genocides (the crusades, where jews and muslims were slaughtered, and columbus's genocide of 4 million native americans) then by your own argument you yourself are guilty of multiple genocides.
n8glenn 4 months ago
@n8glenn The Turkish state IS responsible...get over it and move on without the foolish histrionics.
crusader1492 4 months ago
@crusader1492 Maybe, but that's why the turkish government is trying to compensate people who lost their land in the past right now. Of course, I agree about the histrionics, I think you should stop the histrionics and while you're at it stop hating turkish people.
n8glenn 4 months ago
@n8glenn Whatever Turkey has done recently to "compensate" (90+ years later) is just widow dressing and is done for PR purposes...it's completely cynical and no one is buying it. Restoring a dilapidated church will by no means absolve Genocidal Turkey. Nothing short of recognition and reparations will suffice. On the bright side, many Turks (not including you, if infact you are Turkish), are waking up to the state sponsered lies they were indoctrinated with. Perhaps there is hope.
crusader1492 4 months ago
@crusader1492 Well, I've been to turkey several times, I know basically what's going on there, I'm wondering how many times you've "crusaded" over there yourself. I'm guessing zero. You have no idea what people in turkey are like or what they're thinking. Of course the turkish government is by no means perfect, in fact it has a long way to go to be a good government. Our government is far worse, and indoctrinates people far more effectively.
n8glenn 4 months ago
@n8glenn ...so you're saying there is no hope? That wouldn't suprise me either. Btw, I've never been to Turkey and never will. I have no interest in supporting an their economy.
crusader1492 4 months ago
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@crusader1492 Exactly, you have no idea what you're talking about, and as for whether there is hope, only you know that. I'm guessing there is no hope for you because you are too brainwashed and scared to possibly know the truth and escape your mental shackles.
n8glenn 4 months ago
@crusader1492 And btw, there are right now as we speak many christians and even a few jews in turkey, and they're doing just fine, thank you very much, probably because there aren't many people in turkey who think like you and judge and condemn people based on their religion or race or what they falsely assume their ancestors were like.
n8glenn 4 months ago
@n8glenn I'll call BS on this one. Christians (the few remaining in Turkey) are not doing fine. They face subtle and overt discrimination everyday. Btw, I don't have to travel to Turkey to know this. And as far as being a Jew in Turkey (especially in light of Israeli-Turkey relations)...that's a scary proposition. Anyway, you're a joke.
crusader1492 4 months ago
@crusader1492 Yeah, you call whatever you want, you have no clue, have never been there, and have no interest in going there, and the only thing you KNOW is that you hate muslims. Based on your own prejudice, you pass judgement on turks and assume that they're doing horrible things because of their religion. As far as being scared, of course you're scared, that's why you hate muslims so much, turks have expressed to me how comical they find this fear, often expressed by israeli tourists.
n8glenn 4 months ago
@crusader1492 Not only are christians doing fine, but turkey is the home of many relics of the early christian church, which are lovingly preserved and visited by many people every year. The motto of Ankara, the capital of turkey, is the "city of tolerance", and this motto is shown along side the crescent, the cross, and the star of david. Yes, I saw that with my own eyes. You think that's a joke, be my guest, I have other thoughts.
n8glenn 4 months ago
So, before you start using terms like "getting off our high horse", you should stop for a moment and consider that the present government in Turkey does NOT represent the silent majority of the Turkish people. We want relations to be as they were with Israel. We also want a just & lasting peace in the region. But, as many Jewish groups blindly support Armenians (who openly murdered them before, during & after WWI AND WWII), & other anti-Turkish factions, consider were you'd be now w/o Turkey!
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
In addition, while the Nazis were murdering Jews, Turkey was arranging for many to escape, many to come & be welcomed into Turkey as their new home (Christian nations were eager to turn Jews over to the Nazis to save their own bacon). As for the flottilla, the Israelis attacked the unarmed ships 20 miles BEYOND their own terrorism line, well into international waters! This made them PIRATES on the high seas! A recent commission concluded that 4-5 of the wounded civilians were EXECUTED!
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@SuliemanTheGreat
VERY TRUE BUT JEWS DONT WANNA KNOW THEY WONT LİSTEN TO US
XOME TO ANOTHER JEW HE COULD SAY İ SAW A DONKEY FLYİN AND THEY WOULD NOT DOUBT THEM. TURKEY SAVED THE JEWS WHEN THE ARMENİANS WERE MASS MURDERİNG THEM NO ONE ELS STOOD UP FPR THEM NOW ALL THİS SHİT. FUCK THEM THE DAY TURKEY GOES TO WAR İ WİLL BE THERE FİGHTİNG FOR MY VATAN AGAİNST THESE BACKSTABBİNG JEWS THATS ALL THEY GOOD FOR
ghostboi8883 1 year ago
I'm not a big fan of Erdogan's government! I'd love to see him replaced & Turkey get back on it's track which Ataturk had paved for her (pro-West, Secular, etc.). However, with all due respect, Israel and the Jewish community should also realize that Turkey saved countless Jews in the world's history, when no other country in the world would help any of them (especially Christian nations which persecuted them relentlessly)! Turkey was the first nation to recognize & welcome Israel as a nation!
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
If Turkey were indeed guilty of this alledged "genocide", the Armenians had 95 years to take Turkey to criminal & civil courts. Why have they never done so? Because, in any court of law, the judge(s) will demand to see UNALTERED evidence! The Armenians know that they have nothing that hasn't been forged, falsified or fabricated. The Malta Trials, with British and Armenian prosecutors, had almost a year to find any shread of evidence. They couldn't find ANYTHING incriminating then! That's why!!
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
To this day, Armenians have refused to debate us in an open public forum with full media coverage! WHY? For over 100 years, they have manipulated Christian missionaries into unwittingly helping them to con the rest of the Christian world into believing an event which never transpired (a.k.a. The Century-Old Armenian Con Job)! Armenians NEVER talk about the 2.5 million deaths (Turks, Kurds, Greeks, Laz, Arabs, Persians, Azeris, Tartars, Georgians, Jews) due to the actions of Armenian dashnaks!
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
We have seen the "evidence" which the Armenians present as "proof" of an alledged "genocide". We've seen the photos & documents they present. Through extensive research, some of the photos are shown to have been PhotoShopped, while the others are intentionally mislabled (supposed Armenian bodies with Turkish soldiers, when via research, the actual photos were found, showing the same picture, but from 30 years later, of Nazis posing with murdered Jews!); the documents are totally forged!
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
Turkey "is accused of killing 1.5 million Armenians"! In the Christian world, Turkey has already been tried & convicted of a crime, which is alledged, without even once being heard! There's been no due process! Turkey is GUILTY until proven INNOCENT! Has anyone seen the "evidence" which the Armenians present? We have! The protocols were to establish a historical commission to examine all the world's archives & come to a final conclussion! Armenians refuse to have this implemented! WHY?
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
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turkey always was muslim and fondamentalism. The only reason why they were an ally of Israel for a short period was because they needed a jewish lobby in Washington agaisnt the resolution that will reconize the armenian genocide. I am glad that Israel is awake now about the real face of faschist-turkey. Let's be United. Kurdestan and Israel. The oldest nation of Middle East are back for a new World Order.
MedaiKurd 1 year ago
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turkey always was muslim and fondamentalism. The only reason why they were an ally of Israel for a short period was because they needed a jewish lobby in Washington agaisnt the resolution that will reconize the armenian genocide. I am glad that Israel is awake now about the real face of faschist-turkey. Let's be United. Kurdestan and Israel. The oldest nation of Middle East are back for a new World Order.
MedaiKurd 1 year ago
@MedaiKurd Interesting point about the tie-in to Israel in America lobbying against (along with the Turks of course) an declaring of a Turkish genocide of Armenians.
hughesling 1 year ago
@MedaiKurd
YOU SİK GUY WHEN TURKEY DEPORTED ARMENİANS THEY DİDNOT USE FORCE THEY DO NOT KİLL İNNOCENT KURDS ONLY PKK. YOU CALL YOURSELF A MUSLİM YOU LİKE KURDİSTAN TO JOİN UP WİTH A NATİON THATS KİLLİNG İNNOCENT MUSLİM WOMAN AND CHİLDREN AS WE TALK. GO İSRAEL BECOME A JEW YOU SİCK FUCK YOU THİNK ANY JEW WİLL EVER RESPECT YOU THEY LAUGH AT YOU YOU. İ HOPE EVERY KURD AİNT LİKE YOU FUCKİN DİSCRACE AND ALSO YOU DONT KNOW YOUR POLATİCS VERY WELL SO LEARN BEFOR YOU CHAT SHİT
ghostboi8883 1 year ago
@ghostboi8883 As long you behabe like an arrogant and ignorant turk, there will be no peace. First, Dersim (tunceli) genocide you have to acknowledge. Second stop the occupation of Kurdistan. We don't want your Gestapo (polis, jitem) terorising our society. Third reconize aremnian genocide. Forth stop ocupayin Cypruss. You are the center of Evil. You must be defeated bloody descendent of Cengiz Khan. Go to hell!
MedaiKurd 1 year ago
@MedaiKurd Tell me something please. You are Kurdish, yes? How is it that you can even dare mention Armenians AND then also support them, after they massacred thousands of Kurds before, during and after WWI? Do you realize that you have made a deal with Shetan(Satan, the Devil) by taking their side, the very ones who murdered yours and my grandfamilies! What kind of a person/people are you?!! Cyprus is not your concern! You know nothing about what happened to the Turks there, how they suffered!
SuliemanTheGreat 1 year ago
@MedaiKurd
TURKEY DONT NEED TO HİDE SHİT İF WE KİLLED ALL THEM ARMENİANS THERE WOULD BE NONE TODAY. YOU SHOULD JOİN PKK THEY ALSO WORK WİTH İSRAEL. YOU SİCK FUCK
ghostboi8883 1 year ago
@MedaiKurd
dude kurdish people are the saddest weakest people ive ever seen
50 million kurds in the world and dont got even land
how sad
the strongest wins
look at our glorious history
Ottoman empire fucked all of your mothers you all got Turkish blood
dont forget that fagget
Kiravenic 1 year ago
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ArinOngunTV 1 year ago
@MedaiKurd you are ashamed of being allied with a jews !!!
but dont worry my little fuking bitch Kurdish , your ass always be ours )))
as all history ))
we are the whip of GOD !
TRschwarzesonne 1 year ago
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@MedaiKurd ibne kurtler yahudi allah sik kosmus millet yahudiyle ortak olunmaz ?yer yuzune gonderilen butun peygamberleri tuzak kuran bir millet onlarin hepsi lanetli milletir uyuma kurd kardesim bende ?kurdum mardin kurdu /uyan gardaslarim kanmayin onlara biz turkuz hepimiz ????bizim vatanimiz bolunmez asla unutma bunu sen yahudi komsularina soyle onlari ?bir baha turkey.?deme >ulkemizin adi ya anadolu yada?turkiye?her seyin hesap gunu var unutma her tasin altindalar korkak yahudi lanetli?mille
MrBlooddiamond2 5 months ago
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Respond to this video... u fuck ibne inglish or american jew its not turkey ?anatolia or turkiye ?its not israil ????filistin we won't atak filistin we will atak zionest people .gog and magog nation wich its the jew?????who ever u ar????
MrBlooddiamond2 5 months ago
@MedaiKurd Amigo- you and I both know that Turkey is not fundamentalist. And yes, I am Greek Cypriot.
Kitsis 5 months ago
@Kitsis why are you ashamed of representing your own people with your own identity? is it because you know you have no justifiable argument to prove any legal or just claim of the Turkish people over the land of Anatolia? perhaps. but i would argue that Turks are fundamentalists, racist, nationalist and extremists. history has clearly recorded that Turks participating in ethnic cleansing, genocide and mass murder of civilian populations. whether USA admits this or not doesn't mean anything.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@TheScienceofnature well isn`t isarel´s ethnic cleansing more recent then what turks did for over 100 years ago?! israel want to act the little natzies of M.E and great powers of M.E IRAN & TURKEY is gonna prevent that. USA is soon to realise that ISR is a burden rather then a importent client while their potential co-op with IRAN & TURKEY is way better & less embarrasing then to co-op with natzi ISR. that`s partially why ISR is shitting it self to loose it`s valiue to USA! poor natzies...!
DHSNAKE 4 months ago
@DHSNAKE as far as i am aware, Israel has always accepted the Arabs, they have accepted a two state Israel, one for the Arabs, the other for the Jews. however what Israel has not agreed on is for any land, claimed by the Palestinians, to be used by foreigners as a base on which to attack Israel. which is a lot more than what the Turks have done for their 30 million Kurdish population.
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago
@TheScienceofnature (P5) so i ask you, what`s just with that? nazies were crushed cause they were extreme right country opposing USA but if that kind of system would work & serve US interests it would be ok? well, the hole situation got a new turn after the start of ISR proxy, US became the target of massive ifluence attack by the zionist movement & now 70 years later no US politian dares to critsize ISR if they still want to keep their jobs! do you see the 3 sides of this problem now?
DHSNAKE 4 months ago
@DHSNAKE I don't think Israel controls the west and uses all their power and influence for the best interests of Jews and Israel. I think the west uses Israel and the Jews as the means of maintaining a foothold in middle east. the occupation of Israel was first done under western Christian, the crusader wars was launched not to occupy Israel, but to recapture it. the Arabs occupied it and took it from the grip of the eastern Roman empire. so Arabs themselves are foreigners in Israel, as are Jews
TheScienceofnature 4 months ago