@ZachKlever - sorry, but that's completely incorrect. You seem well intentioned so you should really check out this Learn Liberty video on how running out of resources is a contemporary economic myth. /watch?v=AcWkN4ngR2Y
I work down at the local energy/waste disposal plant. I see the garbage destined to be recycled and the regular garbage come in. I also see us putting on exactly the same pile, being burned in the same oven. It's bullshit.
@Ravenclth My statement clearly questions plastic being a scarce source today, not in the future. You altered my statement, and I never said, nor indicated that oil was an infinite resource, thus you created an entirely new argument based on bits and pieces of my reply, but not directly to my reply. This takes us down an entirely different line of reasoning then what I pointed out in my reply. The person I replied to got his facts mixed up, and that's what I pointed out.
That "Indian" isn't even a real Indian. No, I'm not splitting hairs about whether they should be called Indians or Native Americans, because Indians are from India... I'm saying that guy is Italian! His name is Iron Eyes Cody. He is famous for playing Native American characters. He is actually Italian!
@ZachKlever You say: "Recycling is about conserving scarce or hard to get items." Really?! Can you prove this, or at the very least site a reputable source? Also, since when is plastic a scarce or hard to get item? I seriously doubt this one line and lack of proof statement.
More energy to recycle aluminum?? Did you even watch the entire episode? Aluminum is the one thing that actually makes sense to recycle, they say so in the episode. I seriously doubt you did your homework.
@creg67 Plastic will be a very scarce resource if you dont recycle, because its made from OIL, petrochemical, as in petroleum, you think oil is infinite?
Sometimes you disagree with someone so much you just go along with them to avoid wasting time with their dumb ass! I love Penn and Teller, but hate when they use an example of this as an argument.
Do you really have to disprove each and every gris-gris? Some people prefer delusion to despair, ignorance is bliss. Shit, that's what magic is all about! Even if you don't know how a trick is done you are amazed by the mystery and wonder. Hypocrites!
Aluminium is much cheaper and energy efficient to recycle than to refine from ore. Plastics and glass, probably not so much, but aluminium and steel are certainly worth recycling.
lol some people who watch this show are stupid fucking chumps. They made a whole episode about how people don't have the right to be offended but when penn and teller touch on a subject that some of their fans believe in the get all up tight. Step up your mental dumb fuck, they're debunkers if you get pissed off at a penn and teller episode and are also a fan you don't deserve the knowledge they're dropping on you.
Wow, it costs less to dump the trash than to recycle it? What kind of idiot would use that to prove something wrong? Guess what ASSHOLE, it costs a lot of money to keep a murderer behind bars too. So why not let them out? And what about the millions of tons of trash thats floating in the oceans. Yes, that too was cheaper, than to recycle it. I like Penn and Teller, but this episode is BULLSHIT.
Recycling is about conserving scarce or hard to get items.
Sure it takes more energy to recycle something like aluminum than it would take just getting more from the ground, but when we recycle aluminum our aluminum "reserves" will last us much much longer.
@tekanin I was only using aluminum as an example of a resource that many people try and recycle. Replace aluminum with any other resource that is recycled
@shootznskore Ha really? Clearly you have no idea how logic works then. My opinion earns its merits only on its soundness and validity and loses neither of those when I ask for thumbs up. Thank you though
@ZachKlever Except a good portion of it doesn't end up in a recycling center, but into the same landfill that your garbage ends up in. Also, if it's not cost effective it fails at what it's trying to do. The only reason it's cheaper to make those products rather than recycle is because there's still enough resources to make it cost effective. As resources dwindle their price goes up and companies turn to alternative sources to make their products cheaper, that's how real capitalism works.
@Celebrian666 The bottom line is making resources, that will one day run out, last longer. That is the essence of recycling. Nothing you said refutes that. You tried making arguments from money, capitalism, and alternatives to the item that is being recycled.
@ZachKlever Actually it takes less energy to recycle aluminum than it takes to get it from the ground. Unlike just about everything else, recycling aluminum actually does help the environment. Penn points this out later in the show.
@jmg94j Dude...come on... Let's say we don't recycle aluminum and we run out of aluminum 200 years from now. Now let's say we recycle as much aluminum as possible and we don't run out of aluminum until 1,000 or 2,000 years from now. That's why we recycle things. End of story
@ZachKlever Pay attention. I said it takes less energy to recycle aluminum than it takes to get it from the ground. You said it takes more energy to recycle aluminum and that is not true. I was simply pointing out your mistake. Of course it makes sense to recycle metals, but it does not make sense to recycle paper. We are not going to run out of trees anytime soon but we will run out of fossil fuel soon and it takes more fuel to recycle paper than it takes to make it from scratch.
@jmg94j Well that first part is besides the point. Whether or not it takes more energy to recycle something than it takes to get more from the earth is irrelevant. Penn and Teller seem to think that it takes more energy in many cases to recycle so I conceded that point and showed that it just doesn't matter because the only thing that matters is reusing materials that will eventually run out. This doesn't apply to paper though as we will not run out of trees, we can always just grow more.
@ZachKlever cutting trees is a problem, in some countries recycling actually works and it reduces this action. The US is just a bad example about recycling. If we think this rationally for a moment; natural resources won't last long without recycling, but we don't run out of energy before the sun stops shining: single atoms aren't rare, but complex totalities are and that's why they have to be preserved.
@ZachKlever You're wrong. If recylcing is more expensive today, we shouldn't do it. Why? Because what we don't recycle will end up in dumps. It won't vanish, but will remain. Between now and the date at which we run out of natural reserves, it is highly likely that the costs associated with recycling will significantly decrease. Thus, its better to do the cheaper method now, and hold off on recycling until we absolutely have to, or until recycling becomes cheaper. Its less wasteful that way.
@ZachKlever They actually made the point that aluminum is the only resource that is scarce enough that recycling is actually efficient. (I think it's later on in the episode, see part 2 or 3).
@ZachKlever I take it from your post and the replies of others that you didn't watch the episode or even this one video. Please direct your attention to about the 8:06 mark in this video.
@ZachKlever In my respectful opinion you are the one who's missing the point. Energy is by far the most important and hard to get resource, without it you can have all the aluminum you want but you are not going to be able to make a single can from it.
@TioCajlo And without recycling you can only make a set number of cans, because there arent infinite aliminum in the earth.... It seems you didnt really read his post, stuff will last longer if we recycle. Oh. and energy is cheap as fuck and is EVERYWHERE, you you walk, you are using energy, you use a bicycle you are using energy. There are diffrent kinds of energy aswell, electrical energy might be diffrent but please, dont tell me energy is expensive and hard to get....
@ZachKlever The scarce resources are profitable to recycle. If something is not profitable to recycle, then it is not scarce. Recycling plants pay you 5 cents for recycling an aluminum can. Paper is not a scarce resource. Trees are a renewable resource. Plastic is not yet worth recycling, because oil is still relatively cheap. Steel is not a scarce resource.
@obtree But oil and steel are nonrenewable resources so by recycling products produced from them we will have oil and steel for much much longer than if we don't recycle them. Trees are renewable which is why I'm not so much for recycling paper. The only worry I have with throwing extra paper away is that the extra paper will end up in landfills so there's that.
@ZachKlever Iron makes up 32.1% of the composition of the Earth. It is literally the most abundant thing on this planet. Oil is less abundant, but as Penn already mentioned, as we run out of oil, eventually it will become worthwhile to recycle it. I envision people mining old landfills for plastic if it becomes scarce enough. If you think this time is close at hand, maybe you should hoard plastic bottles in your basement and make a killing when recycling plants start buying them :)
@ZachKlever It's more then just maintaining reserves. It's also about the size of landfills. If you keep recyclable and compostable items out of a standard landfill, then that dump doesn't need to be as large. Because really, does anyone really want to live beside a landfill?
Wow, you people are stupid. Please watch the video again, until you understand that recycling is actually worse for the environment than tossing something into a landfill.
Yes? And how exactly do we *GET* such energy, huh? Until we move to cleaner forms of energy (esp. kinetic energy, I.E. *VEHICLES*), your argument is worthless. You pollute more to recycle than to just make new things!
Hell, you probably put more CARBON into the air *just thru transportation* by weight than you actually recycle! You are essentially talking about running two DIFFERENT garbage disposal infrastructures SIDE-BY-SIDE, AT THE SAME TIME, after all!
@macgeek2004 polluting is another thing. we are dealing with the natural resources over here. we can always get energy as long as the sun is shining, but it takes time for nature to renew the natural resources. things don't last forever you know. recycling also reduces methane for getting into air, it saves landfill and recycling sites can be more local which will decrease energy usage. when done right, recycling is the best you can do, capish.
>Out here (Europe) we recycle everything. Everything. And nobody complains. Not about how hard or expensive it is nor about pollution.
Nobody complains about it in America either (an impression you should have gotten from this video) the reason people don't complain is because they're ignorant.
@Celebrian666 That's why we are the human race and the first world. We don't know, we don't want to believe nor we want to change existing beliefs. We also don't know what our real problems are.
sigh, such an american way to do things; a better system is what would be needed.. and what they forgot to mention, that recycling reduces wastes which makes more room for the non-inhabited-zones. and really? is it so bad to use energy to save environment? would it be better to dump it all to the sea? no it wouldn't be. people recycle to save environment, not energy.
@fcuckyoutoob it does save environment, because it reduces the use of natural resources, particularly the ones that are unsustainable. this whole video is just so provocative that some people might actually believe this crap. did I say that wastes actually go into the sea? nope.
>is it so bad to use energy to save environment? would it be better to dump it all to the sea? no it wouldn't be
Then you say this:
>did I say that wastes actually go into the sea? nope.
You are obviously not a reality-based individual. I pity you, what with your insurmountable self-delusions. For anyone who cares about reality, instead of their own self-satisfaction, google: "PM Debunks 5 Half Truths about Recycling"
@fcuckyoutoob what does this have to do with self-satisfaction? recycling saves environment, it's a fact no matter how provocatively you try to bash recycling. I'm not surprised that recycling doesn't work so good in america, nothing really works in there, but at least they are trying. have you ever heard of sarcasm? that's why I pointed out the sea example, because it's still a wasted resource without recycling. some countries btw actually manage to recycle in the right way.
@fcuckyoutoob and what you call reality is just narrow amount of information about some disadvantages about recycling when you forget the bigger picture. here you just jump into some naive conclusions without a second thought. maybe you should google a bit more, so you would know the actual causes of recycling.
Penn & Teller give criticism a bad name. Why is the image of a native American used in the recycling ad? Maybe because recycling is part of a sustainable culture similar to what the North American tribes had? Complaining about that, making the false equivocation of him as a mascot, is complaining for the sake of complaining, and doing so in willful ignorance.
How can you claim that recycling is promoting a sustainable culture when it's well documented that recycling takes more energy, time, and money and creates even more waste? The only reason people think they are doing good is because they have been told from a young age that recycling is what you should do; That and...if you don't do it...people think less of you for it.
It's another "holier than thou" complex that people have.
@Mikeanglo The "holier than thou" complex is an ad hominem attack against recycling, like people are bad for "sipping lattes" or being arugula eaters.
Recycling is less rational than extracting resources from the planet only to dump it back into a different part of the planet? Do you see that the logical outcome of this process is that we eventually must mine landfills for resources?
Mine landfills for resources? Most of the waste that we recycle, like paper, is renewable. And if there ever comes a time when we're somehow running out of materials for plastic...THEN recycling it will make sense and you will see picking it out of trash cans because money is involved.
But don't ever expect plastic to reach the value of aluminum...
We are the only thing on this earth that makes true non-biodegradable trash. just because it's in a landfill doesn't mean it's gone. Its like were brushing things under the bed, out of sight out of mind. Recycling at least reuses our waste, i think that's important.
I agree with @mojoismydog77, Penn and Teller took one example and used it to bash recycling. I think they need to do more research. Recycling may not be perfect, but is anything ever?
this episode raises a lot of good points, but like they say, you have to be aware of your specific situation.
while there is plenty of landfill space generally, its not all where it needs to be. I live in Nashville, TN and we have NO landfill space. ALL our trash is shipped to a neighboring county at $50/ton. a private for-profit firm buys recyclables from the city at $10/ton. so the city saves $60/ton recycling.
Aluminum and glass recycling is energy positive to boot. plastic is non-renewable
@dickjoiner. This is reality. Fact. If you don't like it, and think it's "negative" then go to church or something. Delude yourself somehow. Belive in a 2k yr old space buddie perhaps. Some problems can't be solved by being positive. Some are solved by being exposed, discussed, talked about. The positives are, we should stop recycling and deal with it in a more logical way!!! Happy enough for you, or just more of what you called "bullshit"??
It's always easy to be negative. A little more on the positive side would be appreciated instead of listening to the "Bullshit" of messers Penn and Teller
Hey Penn, where did that plastic vortex in the fucking Pacific come from then??? Part of the cost to society of having recycling programs comes from keeping the garbage OUT of our oceans, rivers, backyards and everywhere fucking else!
Next on Bullshit, "Trash pickup". Where Penn & Teller compare the cost of throwing the garbage in the street vs having to pay taxes to get it picked up. Sheesh!
@drstench Nobody's saying that plastic should go in the ocean; just that it should go into landfills instead of being recycled. Plastic, both trashed and recycled, get picked up by the same kind of trucks. If there is any hole in the process where the plastic ends up in the ocean, it should come from both trash trucks and recycle trucks(unless there's something I'm forgetting).
I personally think that most of our plastic could be replaced with aluminum.
@MasterAsra There is no requirement to recycle stuff that does produce a significant reduction in rescource consumption. So recycling all the things they suggest is simply an attempt to devalue the whole concept. Recycling reduces energy/rescouce consumption/pollution significantly, and reduces the pollutants in the environment. This however depends on the efficiency of the recycling infrastructure, in this street, in the US maybe it doesnt work. This video is very misleading and inaccurate.
@mojoismydog77 They are generally good, but they found an example in the states where recycling wasn't working, then made fun off it, using this local failure to imply that it recycling is universally a stupid idea. I also saw one on foreign sweat shop labour, in which they displayed a very bad attitude.
I love these guys & agree with almost every show but I gotta say even as a right winger who cant stand smug lil hippie liberals going on & on whining about how we could've prevented the destruction of our planet if only we used less plastic bags, I still think its important to recycle. More costly or not the day will eventually come when we use up all the oil & other materials in the earth so might as well delay it for future generations by recycling
@mikedd56 the thing here is resources in general and resource prioritizing. The "cost" of recicling doesn't come from nowhere, the money comes from resources and if process A uses more resources than process B then process A is more wasteful. However, oil is one of our most used resource and it's arguable that we should use an overall wasteful process to save it. However, we need to see a few things: how much more wasteful, what part of the waste is actually oil
...instead everyone is taking issue with global warming sorry climate change, w/e that means. Sorry if u do but I'm not buying anything from a liberal media that has proven to continuously lied to me & is led by a man who lives in a mansion that uses 20x the national avg of energy then demands everyone uses less energy. I could list a million examples describing the type of man he is but most of all the more fear he instills the richer he gets. Hes a prophet seeking profit
cont.: how important oil is for our civilization, how much extractable oil there is and how much can we expect to find in the future. This is probably a small list of factors you have to take into consideration. As a last point, think about the fact that MOST of our energy and materials come from oil, so it's likely that by saving up the oil to make a bottle, you use at least as much, if not more.
I know, so many people think of gas when they hear oil but gas is not sure but I know its around 10-15% of all the oil we use.
Ya know what else is quite alarming but rarely mentioned, the world population. 20yrs ago we were at 5 billion now its 7 & theres no indication the rate will slow. Nobody wants to be the asshole to address it & even if someone was willing to open the debate its not like anyone can do shit about it. I mean thats something we actually need to be worried about...
I ''recycle'' for the fact that I believe we'll find the solution to true recycling one day. If no one did it, then no one would try to find a proper solution. To be true about it though, stop blaming your fucking selves about world destruction. I worked at Wal-Mart for about a month before I quit. It was the most shameful thing I ever did. Honestly stop blaming ourselves for everything. Look at the true picture and you'll see that the big guys fuck with us and make us think that shit.
I love your videos. I disagree with you on God, but I love everything else about you guys, so I just don't listen to ur god videos. AT least you guys can tolerate peoples belief in God instead of trying to silence it (like those protestors at that prayer thing at Texas).
@TheRealTaco87 The protests weren't about belief in God, it was about the fact that it's unconstitutional to use state taxpayer's money to sponsor an event like that.
What's the relevance of this, and what does it have to do with your statements about God? One could list a thousand problems directly attributable to irrational beliefs, government corruption, etc. But again, relevance?
@TheRealTaco87 if you really believe that PRAYER will save texas from the drought... then i have no hope in humanity anymore... surely you disagree on the god thing, the average american is an ignorant who believes bullshit like religion..
How could anybody not think it was a joke when they put out that many trash bins. Surely everybody has seen shows like candid camera, or maybe I'm just showing my age.
Hong Kong today is built on garbage :). When I visited in 1960's, Hongkers burnt all their garbage to make power. The ash and leftovers was used to recklaim the sea. The runway of the air port projecting into the bay is built almost entirley of garbage.
"Iron Eyes Cody" was the guy who pretended to be a Native American and did the "Crying Indian" commercial. In reality, he was an Sicilian-American from Louisiana whose real birth name was "Espera Oscar de Corti". Anyone with enough brain to use Google or Wikipedia can confirm it.
The professional environmental movement is largely built on fraud and uses fraud to advance its goal (which is *not* "to help the environment"). Recycling wastes money that could fix true environmental needs.
I happen to work at a recycling center for the county goverment.....and guess what--there are no $15 hour jobs there and most of the people working are on welfare and work release (county inmates) so it doesnt produce jobs ( they hired 2 people in two years and thats counting me lol). People drop off waste and we also pick it up too= gas, car smoke and time. We sort it and store it =energy and pollution,time,etc, Then we ship it off to a mill. Its just like they say it is on BS. My job sucks lol
most importantly: it may take a bit less energy to just create a new plastic water bottle than to recycle an old one... but this way there would still be the problem of huge amounts of waste (which also need to be shipped and stored etc). But granted: I have not seen the whole episode, so maybe that gets addressed later. Just wanted to share my thoughts... ;)
The other problm is that it (recycling) is subsidized. Guess whose money that is? Yep... it' s our tax dollars. The same subsidies used to support so-called "green" energy such as ethanol (which is nothing but a tax shelter and has been since the mid 80s). Like Moh5itachi1 posted (and I'm para-phrasing), "when governments get involved..." You know what else we get? We get conned.
It cost less in terms of energy and labor to recycle than it does to produce from new resources. The lower energy use means less fossil fuels burned and so less pollution. When private industry recycles they make money, reduce energy consumption and reduce pollution. The problem is when governments get involved. Like many government projects it cost more, takes longer and you get an inferior product.
"At the heart of the city - surrounded by posh, luxurious skyscrapers - is Asia's largest slum, Dharavi (in mumbai). Spread over 525 acres it is home to more than a million people. Dharavi may seem like any other: full of dirt, filth and sewage, but what maybe an eyesore for most of the city's residents is also a recycling marvel. The majority of the place is a plastic recycling industry."
Plastic recycling. I doubt 80% of their stuff is plastic.
honestly...fuck penn and teller. their show is too much about entertainment and not enough about information and giving both sides of an issue. I really get the feeling any supportive information for recycling was either intentionally left out or not effectively researched for....
wtf is this. Penn and teller is usually good but this is bullshit from their side. Yes, its silly to overdo the recycling. But if you just throw food and plastic in the same containers, drive it to the junk yard and just burn it, you have lost a FUCKING LOT OF MATERIAL THAT YOU COULD HAVE USED OVER AGAIN. This is a pathetic episode of penn and teller.
@murdock283 Im certinaly am gonna speak out against people even though I agree with them on most things. If I didnt do that I would basicly be a zombie.
Recycling isn't the problem, Its the cars and industries. And more recycling made more industries...which made more cars...which made more industries...which is all BULLSHIT...fuuuck
We all need to stop using the word "toxins" for a while. I think the colonic/new age medicine crowd have ruined it by calling everything a "toxin", and thus it has been devalued. Just like "mission accomplished" and "weapon of mass destruction", maybe we should leave this expression alone until it's had a chance to recover.
I look at Reduce/Reuse/Recycle as a sort of moral thing. If I reduce energy consumption, less energy is produced, and so maybe one less coal miner gets black lung over my lifetime. If I recycle aluminum, perhaps one less aluminum miner dies in a mining accident. The planet/environment saving is more dubious.
cut down trees! they grow back stupid!
patinsley 13 hours ago
@ZachKlever - sorry, but that's completely incorrect. You seem well intentioned so you should really check out this Learn Liberty video on how running out of resources is a contemporary economic myth. /watch?v=AcWkN4ngR2Y
greenguy109 2 days ago
I work down at the local energy/waste disposal plant. I see the garbage destined to be recycled and the regular garbage come in. I also see us putting on exactly the same pile, being burned in the same oven. It's bullshit.
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ColdAsBalls 1 week ago
@Ravenclth My statement clearly questions plastic being a scarce source today, not in the future. You altered my statement, and I never said, nor indicated that oil was an infinite resource, thus you created an entirely new argument based on bits and pieces of my reply, but not directly to my reply. This takes us down an entirely different line of reasoning then what I pointed out in my reply. The person I replied to got his facts mixed up, and that's what I pointed out.
creg67 1 week ago
chick in the beginning is a milf. hmmmm
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aglewi41 2 weeks ago
That "Indian" isn't even a real Indian. No, I'm not splitting hairs about whether they should be called Indians or Native Americans, because Indians are from India... I'm saying that guy is Italian! His name is Iron Eyes Cody. He is famous for playing Native American characters. He is actually Italian!
cleanplasticchild 2 weeks ago
he is not a native american but a Italian from napleles
xihangyang 2 weeks ago
Get your baby off the table!! He's not even strapped in for god's sake!!
10072018 2 weeks ago
little fact the indian, was italian not indian
thezombiekiller87 1 month ago
@thezombiekiller87 Oh yeah, all the remaining indians know it.
existenceisrelative 4 weeks ago
@ZachKlever You say: "Recycling is about conserving scarce or hard to get items." Really?! Can you prove this, or at the very least site a reputable source? Also, since when is plastic a scarce or hard to get item? I seriously doubt this one line and lack of proof statement.
More energy to recycle aluminum?? Did you even watch the entire episode? Aluminum is the one thing that actually makes sense to recycle, they say so in the episode. I seriously doubt you did your homework.
creg67 1 month ago
@creg67 Plastic will be a very scarce resource if you dont recycle, because its made from OIL, petrochemical, as in petroleum, you think oil is infinite?
Ravenclth 1 week ago
God I'm so confused!
Anthraxinternational 1 month ago
Sometimes you disagree with someone so much you just go along with them to avoid wasting time with their dumb ass! I love Penn and Teller, but hate when they use an example of this as an argument.
bradjbourgeois73 1 month ago
Ah fuck that, still going to recycle.
PeopleR2sensitive 1 month ago
I recycle because my goddamn city started charging to pick up garbage. Did they do a Bullshit episode on taxes? Missed opportunity if not.
BatmanOneOhOne 1 month ago
FYI P&T, Iron Eyes Cody is Italian...
look up 'racial makeover' at Cracked.com
estellabolger65 1 month ago
I like P&T, but this episode is some bs..
lolololort 1 month ago
best show ever
789TheBeatles 1 month ago
People have to accept that while recycling preserves some limited resources, it uses up many others in the process.
If they can't get this into their heads then they are in no position to argue the details of when and where recycling is a good idea
lolhatethat 1 month ago
Do you really have to disprove each and every gris-gris? Some people prefer delusion to despair, ignorance is bliss. Shit, that's what magic is all about! Even if you don't know how a trick is done you are amazed by the mystery and wonder. Hypocrites!
Lostzilla847 1 month ago
Aluminium is much cheaper and energy efficient to recycle than to refine from ore. Plastics and glass, probably not so much, but aluminium and steel are certainly worth recycling.
thewrongchristian 1 month ago
These guys are useless, they completely neglect to mention keeping waste out of landfills and conserving natural resources.
ImmenseTurd 1 month ago 2
lol some people who watch this show are stupid fucking chumps. They made a whole episode about how people don't have the right to be offended but when penn and teller touch on a subject that some of their fans believe in the get all up tight. Step up your mental dumb fuck, they're debunkers if you get pissed off at a penn and teller episode and are also a fan you don't deserve the knowledge they're dropping on you.
mechanoid2k 1 month ago
Wow, it costs less to dump the trash than to recycle it? What kind of idiot would use that to prove something wrong? Guess what ASSHOLE, it costs a lot of money to keep a murderer behind bars too. So why not let them out? And what about the millions of tons of trash thats floating in the oceans. Yes, that too was cheaper, than to recycle it. I like Penn and Teller, but this episode is BULLSHIT.
freeatlantis 2 months ago
if some country fails at recycling it's their fault for not making a better system, alright.
Cixdon 2 months ago
i say start putting the shit on rockets and shoot them in to space
arkie74 2 months ago
Reduce, Re-use, Recycle.
Recycling does has a purpose, it is just part of a series of more effective methods.
Can you imagine the reaction of a population being told it can't consume as much hard rubbish as it does?
"But It is OUR RIGHT to buy as much of whatever we want as long as we can afford it" Says John Citizen.
"Phew! That's lucky because our entire economy is based on you thinking that!" Replies the various country leaders.
Fatarsepirate 2 months ago 3
Man have they missed the point on this one.
Recycling is about conserving scarce or hard to get items.
Sure it takes more energy to recycle something like aluminum than it would take just getting more from the ground, but when we recycle aluminum our aluminum "reserves" will last us much much longer.
Thumbs up so people can see this!!!
ZachKlever 2 months ago 55
@ZachKlever Aluminum is the third most abundant element in the earth's crust. We are not in danger of running out anytime soon.
tekanin 2 months ago
@tekanin I was only using aluminum as an example of a resource that many people try and recycle. Replace aluminum with any other resource that is recycled
ZachKlever 2 months ago
@ZachKlever just so you know, your opinion becomes void when you beg for thumbs up
shootznskore 2 months ago
@shootznskore Ha really? Clearly you have no idea how logic works then. My opinion earns its merits only on its soundness and validity and loses neither of those when I ask for thumbs up. Thank you though
ZachKlever 2 months ago
@ZachKlever Except a good portion of it doesn't end up in a recycling center, but into the same landfill that your garbage ends up in. Also, if it's not cost effective it fails at what it's trying to do. The only reason it's cheaper to make those products rather than recycle is because there's still enough resources to make it cost effective. As resources dwindle their price goes up and companies turn to alternative sources to make their products cheaper, that's how real capitalism works.
Celebrian666 1 month ago
@Celebrian666 The bottom line is making resources, that will one day run out, last longer. That is the essence of recycling. Nothing you said refutes that. You tried making arguments from money, capitalism, and alternatives to the item that is being recycled.
ZachKlever 1 month ago
@ZachKlever maybe future gens can dig up those pesky land fills for their canned goods
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@ZachKlever Actually it takes less energy to recycle aluminum than it takes to get it from the ground. Unlike just about everything else, recycling aluminum actually does help the environment. Penn points this out later in the show.
jmg94j 1 month ago
@jmg94j Dude...come on... Let's say we don't recycle aluminum and we run out of aluminum 200 years from now. Now let's say we recycle as much aluminum as possible and we don't run out of aluminum until 1,000 or 2,000 years from now. That's why we recycle things. End of story
ZachKlever 1 month ago
@ZachKlever Pay attention. I said it takes less energy to recycle aluminum than it takes to get it from the ground. You said it takes more energy to recycle aluminum and that is not true. I was simply pointing out your mistake. Of course it makes sense to recycle metals, but it does not make sense to recycle paper. We are not going to run out of trees anytime soon but we will run out of fossil fuel soon and it takes more fuel to recycle paper than it takes to make it from scratch.
jmg94j 1 month ago
@jmg94j Well that first part is besides the point. Whether or not it takes more energy to recycle something than it takes to get more from the earth is irrelevant. Penn and Teller seem to think that it takes more energy in many cases to recycle so I conceded that point and showed that it just doesn't matter because the only thing that matters is reusing materials that will eventually run out. This doesn't apply to paper though as we will not run out of trees, we can always just grow more.
ZachKlever 1 month ago
@ZachKlever cutting trees is a problem, in some countries recycling actually works and it reduces this action. The US is just a bad example about recycling. If we think this rationally for a moment; natural resources won't last long without recycling, but we don't run out of energy before the sun stops shining: single atoms aren't rare, but complex totalities are and that's why they have to be preserved.
Cixdon 1 month ago
@ZachKlever You're wrong. If recylcing is more expensive today, we shouldn't do it. Why? Because what we don't recycle will end up in dumps. It won't vanish, but will remain. Between now and the date at which we run out of natural reserves, it is highly likely that the costs associated with recycling will significantly decrease. Thus, its better to do the cheaper method now, and hold off on recycling until we absolutely have to, or until recycling becomes cheaper. Its less wasteful that way.
TG1212able 1 month ago
@ZachKlever Ok but that still doesn't explain recycling newspapers. Trees are a renewable resource.
FatherTime89 1 month ago
@FatherTime89 Which is why I am against recycling paper. I'm only for recycling resources that we will most likely one day run out of
ZachKlever 1 month ago
@ZachKlever They actually made the point that aluminum is the only resource that is scarce enough that recycling is actually efficient. (I think it's later on in the episode, see part 2 or 3).
BlueRoadrunner1221 1 month ago 10
@ZachKlever I take it from your post and the replies of others that you didn't watch the episode or even this one video. Please direct your attention to about the 8:06 mark in this video.
xLeifErickssonx 3 weeks ago
@ZachKlever In my respectful opinion you are the one who's missing the point. Energy is by far the most important and hard to get resource, without it you can have all the aluminum you want but you are not going to be able to make a single can from it.
TioCajlo 3 weeks ago
@TioCajlo And without recycling you can only make a set number of cans, because there arent infinite aliminum in the earth.... It seems you didnt really read his post, stuff will last longer if we recycle. Oh. and energy is cheap as fuck and is EVERYWHERE, you you walk, you are using energy, you use a bicycle you are using energy. There are diffrent kinds of energy aswell, electrical energy might be diffrent but please, dont tell me energy is expensive and hard to get....
Ravenclth 1 week ago
@ZachKlever I strongly suggest you watch the other parts of the show if this topic really interests you, they cover that issue there
crusaderlineman2 3 weeks ago
@ZachKlever
The problem is it often costs individuals money to recycle
AGeekWithAShotgun 1 week ago
@ZachKlever The scarce resources are profitable to recycle. If something is not profitable to recycle, then it is not scarce. Recycling plants pay you 5 cents for recycling an aluminum can. Paper is not a scarce resource. Trees are a renewable resource. Plastic is not yet worth recycling, because oil is still relatively cheap. Steel is not a scarce resource.
obtree 1 week ago
@obtree But oil and steel are nonrenewable resources so by recycling products produced from them we will have oil and steel for much much longer than if we don't recycle them. Trees are renewable which is why I'm not so much for recycling paper. The only worry I have with throwing extra paper away is that the extra paper will end up in landfills so there's that.
ZachKlever 1 week ago
@ZachKlever Iron makes up 32.1% of the composition of the Earth. It is literally the most abundant thing on this planet. Oil is less abundant, but as Penn already mentioned, as we run out of oil, eventually it will become worthwhile to recycle it. I envision people mining old landfills for plastic if it becomes scarce enough. If you think this time is close at hand, maybe you should hoard plastic bottles in your basement and make a killing when recycling plants start buying them :)
obtree 1 week ago
@ZachKlever It's more then just maintaining reserves. It's also about the size of landfills. If you keep recyclable and compostable items out of a standard landfill, then that dump doesn't need to be as large. Because really, does anyone really want to live beside a landfill?
elfwall 6 days ago
@ZachKlever Why should we sacrifice ourselves for undefined future generations?
mrrobotica 4 days ago
@ZachKlever but you are burning more energy by recycling, so our reserves of non-renewable resources suffer not to mention pollution
pointmanzero 2 days ago
LOL! Liberal brainwashing feeds off guilt and fear. The piece of shit in the White House is a classic example.
MrBolas33 2 months ago
Wow, you people are stupid. Please watch the video again, until you understand that recycling is actually worse for the environment than tossing something into a landfill.
MooncalfMagic 2 months ago
I LOVE recycling and I will continue doing it because it's the right thing to do. Simple as that!
Zhadjit 2 months ago
@Cixdon
Yes? And how exactly do we *GET* such energy, huh? Until we move to cleaner forms of energy (esp. kinetic energy, I.E. *VEHICLES*), your argument is worthless. You pollute more to recycle than to just make new things!
Hell, you probably put more CARBON into the air *just thru transportation* by weight than you actually recycle! You are essentially talking about running two DIFFERENT garbage disposal infrastructures SIDE-BY-SIDE, AT THE SAME TIME, after all!
macgeek2004 2 months ago
@macgeek2004 polluting is another thing. we are dealing with the natural resources over here. we can always get energy as long as the sun is shining, but it takes time for nature to renew the natural resources. things don't last forever you know. recycling also reduces methane for getting into air, it saves landfill and recycling sites can be more local which will decrease energy usage. when done right, recycling is the best you can do, capish.
Cixdon 2 months ago 2
Out here (Europe) we recycle everything. Everything. And nobody complains. Not about how hard or expensive it is nor about pollution.
Waine999 2 months ago 39
@Waine999 When I went to Spain I never saw a single recycling bin.
UltimoQueso 2 months ago
@UltimoQueso You went to Spain.
Waine999 2 months ago
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@Waine999
>Out here (Europe) we recycle everything. Everything. And nobody complains. Not about how hard or expensive it is nor about pollution.
Nobody complains about it in America either (an impression you should have gotten from this video) the reason people don't complain is because they're ignorant.
fcuckyoutoob 2 months ago
@Waine999 Most people don't realize how much it actually costs them. If they knew and also knew how ineffective it is, then I think they'd complain.
Celebrian666 1 month ago
@Celebrian666 That's why we are the human race and the first world. We don't know, we don't want to believe nor we want to change existing beliefs. We also don't know what our real problems are.
Waine999 1 month ago
@Waine999 Besides the companies ofc :P
Sultschiem 1 month ago
@Waine999 well arent you just fucking awesome. im sure it works splendiferously
ColdAsBalls 1 week ago
@ColdAsBalls Thumb up for splendidferously.
And yes, Europop is pop.
Waine999 6 days ago
Animal nuts.
Invisibrah 2 months ago
sigh, such an american way to do things; a better system is what would be needed.. and what they forgot to mention, that recycling reduces wastes which makes more room for the non-inhabited-zones. and really? is it so bad to use energy to save environment? would it be better to dump it all to the sea? no it wouldn't be. people recycle to save environment, not energy.
Cixdon 3 months ago 4
@Cixdon
>that recycling reduces wastes which makes more room for the non-inhabited-zones
They addressed this when they showed America's Landfill capacity superimposed on a map of America.
>is it so bad to use energy to save environment? would it be better to dump it all to the sea? no it wouldn't be
False dichotomy. The garbage does not go into the sea, but into a landfill.
>People recycle to save environment, not energy
It doesn't save the environment either.
fcuckyoutoob 2 months ago
@fcuckyoutoob it does save environment, because it reduces the use of natural resources, particularly the ones that are unsustainable. this whole video is just so provocative that some people might actually believe this crap. did I say that wastes actually go into the sea? nope.
Cixdon 2 months ago 2
@Cixdon
You said this:
>is it so bad to use energy to save environment? would it be better to dump it all to the sea? no it wouldn't be
Then you say this:
>did I say that wastes actually go into the sea? nope.
You are obviously not a reality-based individual. I pity you, what with your insurmountable self-delusions. For anyone who cares about reality, instead of their own self-satisfaction, google: "PM Debunks 5 Half Truths about Recycling"
fcuckyoutoob 2 months ago
@fcuckyoutoob what does this have to do with self-satisfaction? recycling saves environment, it's a fact no matter how provocatively you try to bash recycling. I'm not surprised that recycling doesn't work so good in america, nothing really works in there, but at least they are trying. have you ever heard of sarcasm? that's why I pointed out the sea example, because it's still a wasted resource without recycling. some countries btw actually manage to recycle in the right way.
Cixdon 2 months ago
@fcuckyoutoob and what you call reality is just narrow amount of information about some disadvantages about recycling when you forget the bigger picture. here you just jump into some naive conclusions without a second thought. maybe you should google a bit more, so you would know the actual causes of recycling.
Cixdon 2 months ago
I only recycle bottles because of the money you recieve
At an old middle school i had they took the recyclables the garbage and the compost and tossed them in together
sadlybadlyy4 3 months ago
Penn & Teller give criticism a bad name. Why is the image of a native American used in the recycling ad? Maybe because recycling is part of a sustainable culture similar to what the North American tribes had? Complaining about that, making the false equivocation of him as a mascot, is complaining for the sake of complaining, and doing so in willful ignorance.
Turtleproof 3 months ago
@Turtleproof
How can you claim that recycling is promoting a sustainable culture when it's well documented that recycling takes more energy, time, and money and creates even more waste? The only reason people think they are doing good is because they have been told from a young age that recycling is what you should do; That and...if you don't do it...people think less of you for it.
It's another "holier than thou" complex that people have.
Mikeanglo 3 months ago
@Mikeanglo The "holier than thou" complex is an ad hominem attack against recycling, like people are bad for "sipping lattes" or being arugula eaters.
Recycling is less rational than extracting resources from the planet only to dump it back into a different part of the planet? Do you see that the logical outcome of this process is that we eventually must mine landfills for resources?
Turtleproof 3 months ago
@Mikeanglo
Mine landfills for resources? Most of the waste that we recycle, like paper, is renewable. And if there ever comes a time when we're somehow running out of materials for plastic...THEN recycling it will make sense and you will see picking it out of trash cans because money is involved.
But don't ever expect plastic to reach the value of aluminum...
Mikeanglo 3 months ago
We are the only thing on this earth that makes true non-biodegradable trash. just because it's in a landfill doesn't mean it's gone. Its like were brushing things under the bed, out of sight out of mind. Recycling at least reuses our waste, i think that's important.
I agree with @mojoismydog77, Penn and Teller took one example and used it to bash recycling. I think they need to do more research. Recycling may not be perfect, but is anything ever?
p.s. Check out the artist Chris Jordon.
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bogman9000123 3 months ago
hahahaa lightly soiled toilet paper... thats like the last piece of toilet paper u use. so if u use 5 pieces.. 1/5 will be LSTP
880330145789 3 months ago
i will never feel good about recycling. i would feel like a complet idiot. i always thought recycling was stupid
hummerskickass 3 months ago
this episode raises a lot of good points, but like they say, you have to be aware of your specific situation.
while there is plenty of landfill space generally, its not all where it needs to be. I live in Nashville, TN and we have NO landfill space. ALL our trash is shipped to a neighboring county at $50/ton. a private for-profit firm buys recyclables from the city at $10/ton. so the city saves $60/ton recycling.
Aluminum and glass recycling is energy positive to boot. plastic is non-renewable
Dizizcameron 4 months ago
Dave Mustaine at 4:55
airwalkr 4 months ago 2
@dickjoiner. This is reality. Fact. If you don't like it, and think it's "negative" then go to church or something. Delude yourself somehow. Belive in a 2k yr old space buddie perhaps. Some problems can't be solved by being positive. Some are solved by being exposed, discussed, talked about. The positives are, we should stop recycling and deal with it in a more logical way!!! Happy enough for you, or just more of what you called "bullshit"??
askmybollocks 4 months ago
That lady at the beginning of the video shouldn't put glass in the recycling bin, it's supposed to go in a separate open bin.
danwat1234 4 months ago
It's always easy to be negative. A little more on the positive side would be appreciated instead of listening to the "Bullshit" of messers Penn and Teller
dickjoiner 4 months ago
This episode is when I really realized the balls these guys have. I've never heard anybody take on the sacred cow of recycling before this show.
Leatherbubba 5 months ago
Hey Penn, where did that plastic vortex in the fucking Pacific come from then??? Part of the cost to society of having recycling programs comes from keeping the garbage OUT of our oceans, rivers, backyards and everywhere fucking else!
Next on Bullshit, "Trash pickup". Where Penn & Teller compare the cost of throwing the garbage in the street vs having to pay taxes to get it picked up. Sheesh!
drstench 5 months ago
@drstench Nobody's saying that plastic should go in the ocean; just that it should go into landfills instead of being recycled. Plastic, both trashed and recycled, get picked up by the same kind of trucks. If there is any hole in the process where the plastic ends up in the ocean, it should come from both trash trucks and recycle trucks(unless there's something I'm forgetting).
I personally think that most of our plastic could be replaced with aluminum.
PirateOfTheInternet 5 months ago
@drstench Pardon? can you go onto google maps an take a picture please xxxx
Thelondonbadger 5 months ago
@Thelondonbadger Google it yourself, shithead.
drstench 5 months ago
Thick-headed dumbasses. Penn & Teller ARE bullshit. Why are you getting information about recycling from magicians?
Fmaack 5 months ago
I thought penn and teller were great, but now I have started to think again.
amemy1 5 months ago
@amemy1 Why? Because something you believe in isn't actually doing what you think it is?
MasterAsra 5 months ago
@MasterAsra There is no requirement to recycle stuff that does produce a significant reduction in rescource consumption. So recycling all the things they suggest is simply an attempt to devalue the whole concept. Recycling reduces energy/rescouce consumption/pollution significantly, and reduces the pollutants in the environment. This however depends on the efficiency of the recycling infrastructure, in this street, in the US maybe it doesnt work. This video is very misleading and inaccurate.
amemy1 5 months ago
@amemy1 why?
mojoismydog77 4 months ago
@mojoismydog77 They are generally good, but they found an example in the states where recycling wasn't working, then made fun off it, using this local failure to imply that it recycling is universally a stupid idea. I also saw one on foreign sweat shop labour, in which they displayed a very bad attitude.
amemy1 4 months ago
@amemy1 ok thanks
mojoismydog77 4 months ago
Mother! Stop recycling! Penn and Teller say it's bullshit!
TBlenx1995 6 months ago
I love these guys & agree with almost every show but I gotta say even as a right winger who cant stand smug lil hippie liberals going on & on whining about how we could've prevented the destruction of our planet if only we used less plastic bags, I still think its important to recycle. More costly or not the day will eventually come when we use up all the oil & other materials in the earth so might as well delay it for future generations by recycling
mikedd56 6 months ago
@mikedd56 the thing here is resources in general and resource prioritizing. The "cost" of recicling doesn't come from nowhere, the money comes from resources and if process A uses more resources than process B then process A is more wasteful. However, oil is one of our most used resource and it's arguable that we should use an overall wasteful process to save it. However, we need to see a few things: how much more wasteful, what part of the waste is actually oil
wardzer 6 months ago in playlist Penn and Teller's Bullshit
@wardzer
...instead everyone is taking issue with global warming sorry climate change, w/e that means. Sorry if u do but I'm not buying anything from a liberal media that has proven to continuously lied to me & is led by a man who lives in a mansion that uses 20x the national avg of energy then demands everyone uses less energy. I could list a million examples describing the type of man he is but most of all the more fear he instills the richer he gets. Hes a prophet seeking profit
mikedd56 5 months ago
cont.: how important oil is for our civilization, how much extractable oil there is and how much can we expect to find in the future. This is probably a small list of factors you have to take into consideration. As a last point, think about the fact that MOST of our energy and materials come from oil, so it's likely that by saving up the oil to make a bottle, you use at least as much, if not more.
wardzer 6 months ago in playlist Penn and Teller's Bullshit
@wardzer
I know, so many people think of gas when they hear oil but gas is not sure but I know its around 10-15% of all the oil we use.
Ya know what else is quite alarming but rarely mentioned, the world population. 20yrs ago we were at 5 billion now its 7 & theres no indication the rate will slow. Nobody wants to be the asshole to address it & even if someone was willing to open the debate its not like anyone can do shit about it. I mean thats something we actually need to be worried about...
mikedd56 5 months ago
@mikedd56 Earth. There is no Plan B.
Fmaack 5 months ago
@mikedd56 But since it cost more energy to recycle, we will deplete our resources quicker.
LukeL007 4 months ago
recycling is a fad; mush for mushminds.
MelodyLane114 6 months ago
Fuck recycling. We can send probes to Mars but can't design reusable product containers? It IS bullshit.
no2religions 6 months ago
@stewyy11 Fuck off! lol ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?! Thumbs way up if it`s true LOOL!
dnaisinmybody 6 months ago
I ''recycle'' for the fact that I believe we'll find the solution to true recycling one day. If no one did it, then no one would try to find a proper solution. To be true about it though, stop blaming your fucking selves about world destruction. I worked at Wal-Mart for about a month before I quit. It was the most shameful thing I ever did. Honestly stop blaming ourselves for everything. Look at the true picture and you'll see that the big guys fuck with us and make us think that shit.
dnaisinmybody 6 months ago
Interesting fact: that "native American" actor is in fact Italian.
WitStream1 6 months ago
religion and government are ment to be as far as away from each other
only2nocrew 6 months ago
@only2nocrew I hear that, brother. Seperation of church and state should to take more action
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cherrycrawford778 6 months ago
trees prevent landslides, keep the air clean, source of food and materials to build shelter... so fuck trees??? well fuck you dumb ignoramus!!!
gfdadefuin 6 months ago in playlist Penn and Teller's Bullshit
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RadioActiveRocker 6 months ago in playlist Penn and Teller's Bullshit
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RadioActiveRocker 6 months ago in playlist Penn and Teller's Bullshit
I love your videos. I disagree with you on God, but I love everything else about you guys, so I just don't listen to ur god videos. AT least you guys can tolerate peoples belief in God instead of trying to silence it (like those protestors at that prayer thing at Texas).
TheRealTaco87 6 months ago
@TheRealTaco87 The protests weren't about belief in God, it was about the fact that it's unconstitutional to use state taxpayer's money to sponsor an event like that.
dbzcoolman23 6 months ago in playlist Penn and Teller's Bullshit
@dbzcoolman23 What about giving tax payer money to organizations that promote child prostitution rings, like ACORN?
TheRealTaco87 6 months ago
@TheRealTaco87 If that was proven then yeah that would be unconstitutional as hell too. Go call your local congressman and tell him to get on it.
dbzcoolman23 6 months ago
@TheRealTaco87
What's the relevance of this, and what does it have to do with your statements about God? One could list a thousand problems directly attributable to irrational beliefs, government corruption, etc. But again, relevance?
opmike343 6 months ago
@TheRealTaco87 if you really believe that PRAYER will save texas from the drought... then i have no hope in humanity anymore... surely you disagree on the god thing, the average american is an ignorant who believes bullshit like religion..
luishomeroremohsiul 6 months ago
Toilet paper preferred by trees??? What is wrong with people???
iandeansilk 6 months ago
3:26 now i understand that simpson native american
(in the episode where homer fills springfield with garbage
xxAxFxOxNxSxOxx 7 months ago
BTW: Iron Eyes Cody is of sicilian heritage :-) Somehow funny how the PSA casting didn't find a native American in America
Retardretroguy 7 months ago
I was kinda disappointment how they didn't have a picture of tree-ass.
Retardretroguy 7 months ago
How could anybody not think it was a joke when they put out that many trash bins. Surely everybody has seen shows like candid camera, or maybe I'm just showing my age.
Primalxbeast 7 months ago
biohazard XD female stuff
enkopingsbo 7 months ago in playlist Penn and Teller's Bullshit
Hard hats - duh.
nealart 7 months ago
Hong Kong today is built on garbage :). When I visited in 1960's, Hongkers burnt all their garbage to make power. The ash and leftovers was used to recklaim the sea. The runway of the air port projecting into the bay is built almost entirley of garbage.
jackolan76 7 months ago
why not let private industry take over the recycling industry and it will have to become efficient in order to be profitable.
baihbalm 7 months ago
The only recycling that makes economic sense is metals such as copper and aluminum. Everything else is a waste of time and money.
kurthanson2005 7 months ago
i love that he recommended heroin instead of recycling
lancekatre 7 months ago
that undercover guy in the brown suit is amazing
zargotlord 7 months ago
The only thing I recycle is aluminum cans.
DeadFishFactory 7 months ago
7:55 I lost track after the white bin.
GeorgeDeadson 7 months ago
I'm not sure this episode was very valid to me.
larukulunaseas 7 months ago
"Iron Eyes Cody" was the guy who pretended to be a Native American and did the "Crying Indian" commercial. In reality, he was an Sicilian-American from Louisiana whose real birth name was "Espera Oscar de Corti". Anyone with enough brain to use Google or Wikipedia can confirm it.
The professional environmental movement is largely built on fraud and uses fraud to advance its goal (which is *not* "to help the environment"). Recycling wastes money that could fix true environmental needs.
DiggOrElse 7 months ago
I happen to work at a recycling center for the county goverment.....and guess what--there are no $15 hour jobs there and most of the people working are on welfare and work release (county inmates) so it doesnt produce jobs ( they hired 2 people in two years and thats counting me lol). People drop off waste and we also pick it up too= gas, car smoke and time. We sort it and store it =energy and pollution,time,etc, Then we ship it off to a mill. Its just like they say it is on BS. My job sucks lol
michaelelijahprice 8 months ago 23
@michaelelijahprice Yes perhaps, but in other situations/countries in the right conditions recycling does work very well.
amemy1 4 months ago
@stewyy11 hes varry much a indian
ImSuchaGamer 8 months ago
There are some flaws in their logic.
most importantly: it may take a bit less energy to just create a new plastic water bottle than to recycle an old one... but this way there would still be the problem of huge amounts of waste (which also need to be shipped and stored etc). But granted: I have not seen the whole episode, so maybe that gets addressed later. Just wanted to share my thoughts... ;)
aaarggh 8 months ago
The other problm is that it (recycling) is subsidized. Guess whose money that is? Yep... it' s our tax dollars. The same subsidies used to support so-called "green" energy such as ethanol (which is nothing but a tax shelter and has been since the mid 80s). Like Moh5itachi1 posted (and I'm para-phrasing), "when governments get involved..." You know what else we get? We get conned.
TheColdpress 8 months ago
It cost less in terms of energy and labor to recycle than it does to produce from new resources. The lower energy use means less fossil fuels burned and so less pollution. When private industry recycles they make money, reduce energy consumption and reduce pollution. The problem is when governments get involved. Like many government projects it cost more, takes longer and you get an inferior product.
Moh5Itachi1 8 months ago
"At the heart of the city - surrounded by posh, luxurious skyscrapers - is Asia's largest slum, Dharavi (in mumbai). Spread over 525 acres it is home to more than a million people. Dharavi may seem like any other: full of dirt, filth and sewage, but what maybe an eyesore for most of the city's residents is also a recycling marvel. The majority of the place is a plastic recycling industry."
Plastic recycling. I doubt 80% of their stuff is plastic.
ALSO "Largest slum in ASIA."
fishblades 8 months ago
honestly...fuck penn and teller. their show is too much about entertainment and not enough about information and giving both sides of an issue. I really get the feeling any supportive information for recycling was either intentionally left out or not effectively researched for....
mellamosean 8 months ago 2
@stewyy11
true, but irrelevant...
mellamosean 8 months ago
wtf is this. Penn and teller is usually good but this is bullshit from their side. Yes, its silly to overdo the recycling. But if you just throw food and plastic in the same containers, drive it to the junk yard and just burn it, you have lost a FUCKING LOT OF MATERIAL THAT YOU COULD HAVE USED OVER AGAIN. This is a pathetic episode of penn and teller.
gulbirk 8 months ago 2
@gulbirk Haters gonna hate.
murdock283 8 months ago
@murdock283 Im certinaly am gonna speak out against people even though I agree with them on most things. If I didnt do that I would basicly be a zombie.
gulbirk 8 months ago
5:49 that chick is DAMN HOT!!!!!!
imperioindigena 8 months ago
5:03 recycle queen??? hahahha come on!!
imperioindigena 8 months ago
Recycling isn't the problem, Its the cars and industries. And more recycling made more industries...which made more cars...which made more industries...which is all BULLSHIT...fuuuck
HourlySmoker 8 months ago
@HourlySmoker
So you have a Problem with "cars and industries" lol
fishblades 8 months ago
We all need to stop using the word "toxins" for a while. I think the colonic/new age medicine crowd have ruined it by calling everything a "toxin", and thus it has been devalued. Just like "mission accomplished" and "weapon of mass destruction", maybe we should leave this expression alone until it's had a chance to recover.
cyanmanta 8 months ago
i dont give a shit about the coming generation
and actually, more garbage creates more work
VolcomStone128 8 months ago
I get points (and free stuff from those points) from my recycling.
deathnotevictem 9 months ago
I look at Reduce/Reuse/Recycle as a sort of moral thing. If I reduce energy consumption, less energy is produced, and so maybe one less coal miner gets black lung over my lifetime. If I recycle aluminum, perhaps one less aluminum miner dies in a mining accident. The planet/environment saving is more dubious.
tnordloh 9 months ago in playlist Penn and Teller's Bullshit