Mexican/Latino Immigrant Terroritorial Claims on the US, Aztlan/La Raza

[nenitoloco6]

I'm Mexican ( real Mexican not mex-amer) I know by 2050 this states (California,Texas,Arizona,Nuev­o Mexico)will be 75% Latino origin mostly Mexican if they want they could become a new nation,but I don't believe Mexico will Anex this territories because if they do, they will absorbe all the Africans and Asians and white mexicans that live there and that is something that us,as countrie won't allow to happend we feel proud of our culture we are Mexicans we are not white,blacks,Asians we are Mexi

[vitezbg]

@DeepSouth16 Yes but I support Mexiacans,because Americans supported albanian immigrants in Kosovo to take our land.When they became majority they just proclamed that is their land,started terorist actions and got support from USA.Now everything is getting back to u.

[mcpat1000]

But you wont let anyone in your contry

[mcpat1000]

you lost it in the spanish american war .

[Arceumon]

I am all for the Arizona law, illegal is illegal no matter how you look at it. If this is consider a revolution and a invasion towards the United States, then our second amendment gives us the right to defend this nation, ne?

[KripDrip]

WHITES GET OUT!!!

THIS IS ARE LAND!!

[Arceumon]

@KripDrip Yawn, I maybe a little white friend, but I am half-Mexican. You lost this land to the yanks, and last I recall there are also white mexicans. I think it's time for you to start looking for something other that the race card.

[vitezbg]

@Arceumon Just to remind u that ethnic cleansing is war crime.

[jvarela965]

TACOBAN !

[dk911turbo]

It's like they are begging for a race-specific sterilizing virus.

[gearofduty2012]

HAHAHAHAHA we just became the majority in California. Arizona seems to be the last state that is not latinonized

[utubecenseorstruth]

what part of illegal do you not understand? Wake up america obama and democrats will allow them to be the destruction of our country.

Sadly it might be time to load up your rifles and lace up your boots

[zookeeper220]

Ohio is not your homeland, dipstick.

[chaoscontrot]

@StatelessCapitalist

I am one. Well I'm an american, but ethnically I'm mexican, whatever. There's a lot of right-wing hispanics, you just need to know where to look. If you're talking about those guys that run around holding signs preaching about "atzlan!" then good luck, most of them are so far on the left they could be considered communists, it's sickening.

[chaoscontrot]

I think you're making this into more than it really is. I have no doubt that there are some extreme nationalist latinos who do want this to become a part of mexico, you see those in any group but they are a minority. I'm Hispanic and I hold very right-wing, even libertarian views. Heck I can't even speak Spanish. Why do you think we're out to get you? We're not.

[smttysmth02gt]

Oh and you're a racist honkey cracka.

[smttysmth02gt]

I cringe every time I hear diversity.

[psycologicalnudity]

mexico is such a shithole that nearly a third of their populationhas fled in the largest mass exodus in modern history and they want the south west United States so they can make that unlivable too. then what? keep heading north i guess, look out canada the turd world invasion will be headed your way. these stupid white liberals don't realize they are not part of the plan that their love for diversity has unleashed upon us. it's probably to late but if your not having kids you r the problem.

[thewaterwillcome]

@StatelessCapitalist just land? ppl live here you know? they have no right to this land. we captured most of mexico in the mexican american war, then we gave it back, paid them for the land, and forgave their debt. we had already conquered the territory and more, we didnt have to pay them, we didnt have to give them their country back. they come here for the opportunities they dnt have in their own country and dnt have the respect to learn our language and be grateful?

[chaoscontrot]

@thewaterwillcome

And don't forget the Gadsden purchase that we bought to build that railroad to the west coast.

[borderraven]

Are they immigrants or migrants?

Immigrants assimilate.

Migrants occupy and colonize.

Mexico has 50 consulates in the US where they give every Mexican a matricula consular ID card. Why? Because with a Mexican government ID card a Mexican can get a bank account and send money ($US ??? Billions) back to Mexico.

[borderraven]

@StatelessCapitalist, this is conquered land, and we US citizens own it!

[Blastfimus777]

@borderraven the citizens don't own anything, the state has laid dibs to it all. And Mexicans are ideal for US political system; antithesis of this is a well educated citizenry which has come at a cost of a lot of faults starts (Democracy and Communism). What better material to mold into social constructs than the Mexicans? They are a totally ignorant population. However, I do believe Mexicans are the wave of the future. What about us? Learn Chinese and move! And sit back and watch the show.

[borderraven]

@Blastfimus777, I predict a war between Latino Catholics and the jihadist Muslims.

[chaoscontrot]

@borderraven

rofl that would be funny. I asked my dad why they call us "latino's" and he said that when he was a kid, all of the catholic sermons were only allowed to be held in Latin and this was only changed in recent years. Apparently such a high percentage of hispanics were catholic, that they eventually started calling us latinos. It weird I'm not catholic but I still get referred to like that lol.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@Blastfimus777

That is nuts! lol. Whites are the most libertarian group (associate it with part of their culture from race etc). Latinos already have political ideology. You are not going to mold them lol. Left wing anarchists have already tried and failed. They protest with them for social programs and amnesty as well as talk about white racism. They still are 90% white lol. Latino nationalists that increase in numbers have no interest in a Eurocentric western ideology.

[thewaterwillcome]

these ppl have a fucked up country in which they have no future no opportunities so they leave to come here, we are very lenient on them, they enjoy our schools, our hospitals, & our job opportunities. are they grateful, appreciative,are they respectful? no, they demand us to learn spanish & cater to them. i kno mexicans that have worked hard for years to become legal citizens & to respect our culture and language then these illegal free loaders come in and walk all over their hard work!

[thewaterwillcome]

the claim that they have been here for 40,000 years is impossible because humans have only been in the western hemisphere for a little over 13,000 years. we outnumbered them in texas then they tried to take it back and we destroyed them, our armies marched all the way down to mexico city. if they want to try it again they should go for it, but this time we are keeping Baja california! and actually these "mestizos" are mostly spanish and they wiped out the real indigenous population of mexico. 

[IndividualAutonomy]

@thewaterwillcome

Yes most Mexicans have a large amount of Spanish blood.

[thewaterwillcome]

@IndividualAutonomy yeah but they think its cooler to pretend to be indians and not the ancestors of violent conquistadors! so do you think this will end in anything short of a blood feud?

[IndividualAutonomy]

@thewaterwillcome

Hmm I don't know. I would like to stop more of them from coming in by withdrawing from Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Korea, Japan etc and militarizing the border. A 90 day amnesty for illegal's to sell their house and go back to their country of origin or be declared an invader where they will be imprisoned in a desert camp, then deported. Deport all radical Latino legals or bring them to court for treason. We may have to give up the SW unless national will increases.

[thewaterwillcome]

@IndividualAutonomy im a socialist & left wing on most things but this issue has polarized me and pushed me far right, Im finally starting to see the serious nature of this issue. i like your plan, isnt that what Ron Paul is claiming he will do, cause hes got my vote! i think we should also invest in mexico and deal with their gang problem so maybe they wouldn't need to come here. im am born and raised in Cali and im not leaving im prepared to fight gorilla style, we will not give up the SW!

[IndividualAutonomy]

@thewaterwillcome

The military on the border is something Ron Paul does support. That is true we can outsource to Latin American countries so they won't come here. For work that we want them to do they can come on worker visas and not receive citizenship so if they get any Aztlan fantasies they can be deported. At least you are not a suicidal leftist. The welfare state will die sooner if more poor, anti western immigrants cross the border.

[thewaterwillcome]

@IndividualAutonomy im a more of a pragmatic or realistic leftist, i support libertarianism now bc it is what this country and the world needs right now. i think that us socialists and libertarians have common ground against those elite who wish to control the market and our lives for their own petty gain.

[chaoscontrot]

@IndividualAutonomy

I could go for a 1-year work visa that way they have time to leave the country. If they really want citizenship, then they can go through the proper channels and wait a few years just like everyone else.

[chaoscontrot]

@thewaterwillcome

We're descendents of asians nomadic tribes which migrated to the new world and the european spaniards who conquered them hundreds of years ago. What are you talking about?

[thewaterwillcome]

@chaoscontrot yeah i kno, whats your point? it wasnt 40,000 years ago the natives were first wiped out by the spanish diseases,then by the spanish themselves. some of what was left interrogated and began having kids with the spanish,it is the dependents of those kids who inhabit mexico today. there are some indigenous ppls left but they are at odds with the mestizos as well. if this was native americans & aztec ancestorsclaiming the land i would sympathize but these ppl have claim over this land

[chaoscontrot]

@thewaterwillcome

Even so this land belongs to the US regardless of bloodline, heritage or anything else. It's national property. People who go around saying that they want a third state between mexico and the US are nuts - theres no way they could defend that from foreign countries and it would become a liability to the United States, and possibly mexico as well.

[chaoscontrot]

@thewaterwillcome

that was more the doing of the spaniards who conquered the area than the mestizos themselves.

[thewaterwillcome]

@chaoscontrot yes i kno, mestizos are not mostly native they have a lot of spanish ancestry. do you think that mestizos are natives? the Mex gov crushed the last uprising of the actually natives.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@TheAmericanAnarchist

Or we can deport illegals and some of the radical legals along with increased border control.  Though we may have to let them have some of the Southwest.

[chaoscontrot]

@IndividualAutonomy

You can't just deport American citizens, that's ludicrous and violates the first amendment of our constitution.

[borderraven]

If Latinos who are elected to office support legislation that supports, aids or encourages illegal immigration, then that is the downfall of the US Constitution.

It is one thing to desire to go and play in Disneyland, but to destroy Disneyland in the process, reduces Disneyland to a land fill dump where nobody wants to play.

Same with the USA, treat her like a life boat or learn to swim in a cesspool.

[chaoscontrot]

@borderraven

Why would you assume that about hispanics in politics? Perspectives on border security are more closely correlated to an individuals party affiliation than to their race. Case in point, I'm hispanic but I'm against amnesty.

[hawkermustang]

It is just a matter of time before the USA becomes a third world country.

[chewbaca1989]

Scary stuff.

[fireman12888]

The first voice that is.

[fireman12888]

LOL what an annoying voice, makes me want to shoot him.

[Wildkkat1]

Overpopulation leads to anarchy and turmoil for all. Look at Mexico, they have only themselves to blame!

[CatoTheYounger9546]

@Wildkkat1 Yes! You should consider taking a look at the first established and government recognized Zapatista (Left Anarchist) Community in Chiapas that were created in blood by the Native Americans who silenced and lost in history.

[hitssquad]

@CatoTheYounger9546 "...the first established and government recognized Zapatista (Left Anarchist) Community in Chiapas that were created in blood by the Native Americans who silenced and lost in history."

Do you speak English?

[CatoTheYounger9546]

@hitssquad I speak multiple languages.

[hitssquad]

@CatoTheYounger9546 "I speak multiple languages."

English is apparently not one of them.

[CatoTheYounger9546]

@hitssquad Fascinating. Apparently you are capable of understanding it.

[Wildkkat1]

@CatoTheYounger9546 History is filled with wars and land deals between countries leaders. Picking the ones each others groups choose to recognize, is an exersize in futility. Examples: Israel / Palistine, Spain / Azecs etc. The Gadston purchase was the border now recognized since 1848. It won't change!

[CatoTheYounger9546]

@Wildkkat1 I fully agree.

[82abhilash]

I felt this point was important enough that I thought I would put it separate - Diversity is not a source of conflict. For people who make a career out of capitalizing on conflicts, diversity becomes a reason. Otherwise they find others - political affiliation, religion, profession. Feel obligated to disempower them. Find amicable ways to solve your problems. Don't be s sucker.

watch?v=23X14HS4gLk

[IndividualAutonomy]

@82abhilash

Diversity is a hugh source of conflict. Even man libearls today will admit this. To deny that it causes conflict is just plain dumb. If people can capitalize on conflicts then it shows those feelings are there. Anyway if you want to continue this convo come to skype because I am tired of youtube comments.

[82abhilash]

@IndividualAutonomy I prefer not to use skype. I suppose I get tongue tied. My thinking keeps pace with my typing. You are right, those feelings are there. But those feelings do not dominate and control our lives unless we let it. And if we know they are harmful would we let it? History teaches us that they are harmful.

[CatoTheYounger9546]

Bigotry is common among humans.

[allgoraro]

They seem to have forgotten that they are not only descended from Indians, but from europeans. that is very neat for thier little movement.

[hitssquad]

@allgoraro "They seem to have forgotten that they are not only descended from Indians, but from europeans."

...And negroids.

isteve. com/ 2002_Where_Did_Mexicos_Blacks_­Go. htm

"Cerda-Flores and his colleagues also examined the DNA of Mexican-Americans in Texas, who came out as about 6 percent black. Other studies of Mexicans and Mexican-Americans by molecular anthropologists have come up with black admixture rates ranging from 3 percent to 8 percent."

[CatoTheYounger9546]

@hitssquad

Guess I jumped my guns :o). Yes, the negriod race is a minority due to the importation of slaves. Maybe you should consider the whole picture of Native Americans.

[hitssquad]

@CatoTheYounger9546 "Yes, the negriod race is a minority due to the importation of slaves."

What? Where did I say that?

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"Maybe you should consider the whole picture of Native Americans."

What is "the whole picture of Native Americans", what makes you think I'm not considering it, and what did I say that prompted you to say that?

[CatoTheYounger9546]

@hitssquad Are you suggesting they are not a minority?

[TheTankinTortuga]

@hitssquad

Epic comment from the iSteve website. I've heard about this but have not had much time to look into it. Thanks for providing me a starting point & motivation to start researching this further.

[hitssquad]

@TheTankinTortuga "Epic comment from the iSteve website. [...] Thanks"

Thanks back to you, and you're welcome.

[CatoTheYounger9546]

MrHerrIQ under what classification of race does the American Indian fall into :o)? Hopefully you would give me a truthful answer rather than undermining reality for your own Quixotic adventures.

[sony8877]

you know that foreigners coming into an arbitrary piece of state claimed land is not the issue, the issue that you are opposing is those people having (more) socialistic/communistic influences on the government, and so the receptiveness of government to these views and the blind acceptance of a such a powerful democratically controlled institution is the issue. youve probably heard this before but 'foreigners' are only a problem when thinking in a borders, combative way of thinking

[82abhilash]

This video is misleading. Latin American societies are ethnically diverse. In fact they are pretty much relaxed about race and address each other with racial slangs pretty casually. What unites them is not race it is culture, having a common language helps but is not necessary (Brazilians speak Portuguese). Inevitably the US culture will evolve as they begin to dominate, but that happened when Italians came, Jews came and Irish came. Learn to get along.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@82abhilash

They are ethnically diverse but they are mostly mestizo (mix of native american and Spanish/Portuguese). There is conflict with the Spaniards and the mestizos still in many parts of Latin America. I already have two immigration videos dealing with why more immigration to the US by these groups will be a disaster. The difference is the European immigrants were white and were forced to assimilate.  Something, the blacks and Native Americans didn't quite do who were here longer.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@82

Also, the entitlement programs for citizens was nothing. Secondly, there is already evidence of anti white and non ingroup feelings of these immigrants, which is more important. Additionally, "getting along" means having Spanish the first language and having less of libertarian culture for ourselves. We don't have to let them come in. There is no political, ethnic, or economic gain by making them citizens.

[82abhilash]

@IndividualAutonomy Yes there are signs of anti-white sentiments among that group. Bigotry is not common to any particular race. Getting along does not have to mean having Spanish as first language, that is just one way of getting along. Culture is not designed. Citizenship is an artificial construct. You and your children will have to learn to get along with they and their children independent of whether political entities like US or Mexico may endure.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@82abhilash

The problem is you can take this anti conceptionlism very far (not that I am against you doing that). However, citizenship, nation states etc matter to me. They have different policies, different cultures, etc. I do not value or want to live in all equally so in that sense it is not merely artificial to me. We don't have to let more in, we shouldn't if we value our economic and social standing, and I am not for letting them in.

[82abhilash]

@IndividualAutonomy There is nothing rigid about culture. It is very fluid and evolving as people as individuals try to adjust with each other in a changing world. And a changing world is not new. It was always changing. True there is an acceleration to it now, but most people are able to handle it. If you try to live a good life, the culture will take care of itself. What will emerge will be totally different from what both sides have now. You are moving to a world without sides.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@82abhilash

I never said culture was rigid. However, it can "flow" in different directions and will based on the influx of populations. I prefer a flow away from hispanization for economic, political, ethnic, and social reasons.

[82abhilash]

@IndividualAutonomy You can influence the flow, but you cannot control its direction. No one can - Mexicans can't you can't even Jared Taylor can't. You call influence the flow, but you cannot control its direction. That is emergent. Influenced by many things that no one person controls. No single bee in a swarm can control the shape of the swarm. That is why I said let the culture take care of itself. I did not say emulate the Mexicans. Just try living a decent life. That is enough.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@82abhilash

I never said just one person controls the flow, that would be dumb. I am fine with collective and individual action. Emergent involves human action lol.  No, I don't want to and I don't want other who share my preferences to "let the culture take care of itself." That just means letting others help set the culture if "our side" is apathetic so that is dumb it just empowers others. Skype: Overmind25

[82abhilash]

@IndividualAutonomy You mistook me. I am not advocating apathy. The point I was trying to make was that no one can 'set' culture. The others who are trying to set the culture are in for a rude shock. It is an aggregative outcome of decisions that so many people make. Everyone contributes but no one controls. Once you recognize that you can forsake exercises in futility and focus on practical ways to improve the situation. Ways that you have more direct control over.

[82abhilash]

@IndividualAutonomy "Forced to assimilate?" Are those your words? The British Empire was using force. White on white violence. Where did they end up? Has forced assimilation ever worked in the US. Go back and read history. The fact is new settlers European or otherwise had trouble adjusting with the older ones and vice versa. In the process of adjusting and readjusting with one another a new unique culture evolved commonly called all American. It is still happening and will continue to happen.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@82abhilash

I don't see how Britain has to do with this discussion. The white European immigrants assimilated and were forced to by the US. There was no "diversity is strength". They also assimilated after around two generations where blacks and Native American who were here longer did not. Hispanics are a different race, speak a different language, have a chip on their shoulder, and are not being encouraged to assimilate. I have already uploaded a video about this.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@82abhilash

British immigrants did assimilate. The British state when at war didn't want to assimilate of course. It was a war. Diversity is not usually a strength. I have a video uploaded as to why I think this is. You are conflating a war by a nation state with immigration and that the European immigrants did while the others didn't. Also, I never said same race people cannot have conflict.

[82abhilash]

@IndividualAutonomy So you race homogeneity does not prevent conflicts and racial diversity does not prevent conflict. So why talk about race when it is not relevant? It only takes time away from finding and addressing real problems. Remember the protestors are not good and solving problems. They are good at protesting. They are a sign that there are problems. Jared Taylor is a protestor. Try being a problem solver instead of falling for a protestor.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@82abhilash

It is not irrelvent. Homogeneity just poses less conflict than multiculturalism and mutli racialism. In homogeneous societies race is hardly thought about and other problems are there. However, MC and MR add more problems. The best solution I see for my preferences is immigration control and other measures. For my first video on immigration watch?v=G7WuD5YpEr8

For the increased weakness of diversity

watch?v=HxCKH7f_ywU

[82abhilash]

@IndividualAutonomy If people of same race or culture do not always get along then MC and MR may actually act as an impediment to in-group conflict. They bring with it their own host of problems to be sure, but they may be solving more problems than they create. Now admittedly there are no ways to measure these things. But race homogeneity is not solution to conflicts. And racial diversity does not necessarily add to existing problems, they can subtract from it too.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@82abhilash

Name how it solves or lessens conflict in anyway. Also take a look at my video I uploaded dealing with this. Most people don't see out diversity. They move away from it if they can and economics isn't a pressing issue.

For the increased weakness of diversity

watch?v=HxCKH7f_ywU

[82abhilash]

@IndividualAutonomy Another misleading video. Most people are not worried about diversity. They are not seeking it out nor are they shying away from it. Most people are just trying to live in peace. Diversity is not a source of conflict. For people who make a career out of capitalizing on conflicts, diversity becomes a reason. Otherwise they find others - political affiliation, religion, profession.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@82abhilash

No, that is not true lol.  The evidence of white flight is overwhelming. Most places that are "voluntary" are de facto segregated, churches, dinner parties, high school lunch tables, most friendships, marriages etc. You completely made that up. The cause of most conflict worldwide is non in grouping, which is because of different languages, religions, races, ethnicities and other differences. Ireland, India, Sudan, the Balkans, Southern California, etc.

[82abhilash]

If I completely made that up then my life is completely made up as well. I suppose all the mixed events I went to and the mixed households I lived in where carefully orchestrated government conspiracies to keep me delusional. WW2 was a conflict created because of high in grouping. In grouping need not be race based either. It is in grouping that creates hostility and conflicts. Non-grouping empowers those that can dissolve such hostility. Which explains why Jared Taylor is so powerless.

[chaoscontrot]

@IndividualAutonomy

What are you taking about I live in a population in southern newmexico that's about 70percent hispanic and neither myself nor anyone ive met here in college seems to have a "chip on their shoulder" not even those creepy gangster kids who listen to rap and think they're all cool.

You're going to find a small percentage of hyper-nationalist bigots in any population sample, even hispanics living in the US. Just remember that it's only a percentage.

[SuperEnoughAlready]

Enoch Powell's prophetic "Rivers of Blood" speech comes to mind! He was considered a bigot by many at the time he gave that speech. One need only look at the UK and other Europeon countries to see how illegal immigration and diversity is destroying it's hosts. Ted Kennedy was the worst traitor this country ever had!

[IndividualAutonomy]

@SuperEnoughAlready

Maybe I should upload a video about Britain and Enoch Powell next. Multiculturalism and massive migration has failed in Britain as well. Segregated communities, Islamic enclaves, no go areas for white British, Sharia law advocates, etc. Of course it is not just limited to Britain but France, Sweden, etc. Ted Kennedy's 1965 immigration bill was a disaster, but like a good lefty he sent his kids to private white schools and lived in an all white area.

[tattooskin72]

I'll fully agree that the "hispanic" speakers have a twisted view of history. The people who were here when the first Europeans arrived in the "New World" are not necessarily the first migration/colonization of the "Americas"... They were also not on big peaceful tribe. They all pretty much warred against each other and even joined up with the Europeans to fight off their enemies.

I'm not saying any of it was right or wrong, just that they need to stop rose coloring their past.

[MrHerrIQ]

@tattooskin72

You racist cracka, you!

You are the reason why Im a failed person.

My people is better than you, you racist.

Die for the sins of your forefathers you generalizing, prejudiced neo-bastardo, ay, ay, ay, vamos taco! Anything else? That'll be dos pesos, por favor!

[Apptendo]

FUCK THOSE BEANERS WHO TAWK R JAWBZ!!!!!

[UcanbeGOD]

We are fucked. 

[Antipatriot420]

We should have conquered mexico when we had the chance and made them work in the mines!

[Ksabrs45]

Am I free to roam around Northern Europe hunting deer and such?

[IndividualAutonomy]

@Ksabrs45

Another great question also would be, why doesn't Mexico pratice this idea of open borders in its Southern borders or other Latin American countries (instead of beating, raping, and stealing from illegal latino immigrants in their countries) ? LOL No! THAT IS JUST FOR THE GRINGO IN THE USA AND CANADA. OPEN YOUR BORDERS FOR US!

[Cefuroxx]

@IndividualAutonomy

i dont know how you lost it, but you did, went from totally rational to crazy in one year. Keep lockstepping with AIPAC and the Minuteman, open borders undermines Zionist clout after all.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@Cefuroxx

You are the insane one. You bring up Israel no matter what issue is being discussed. Whether it is Islam, Mexico, immigration, economics, etc. I have told you numerous times I have my own problems with Israel, I don't see any reason for them to get foreign aid, they commit terrorism, they spy on the US, they lobby etc. Jews=more western. I pick my battles and the demographic shift is not Jewish. You almost never address what I bring up but harp on Israel. Get lost.

[barccy]

Ancestors living there once is not a valid claim to land being lived on by others now. Silly racist Mexican.

[DunbarConfederalist]

At least they ain't niggers

[Cefuroxx]

Kill the muslims

Fuck the mexicans

Lock arms with AIPAC and Neo Confederates...

Got it

[MrHerrIQ]

@Cefuroxx

You know what would be better though? Close the borders!

Then we begin with putting all illegals in jail, kill one here or there.

If we could somehow get our own guys into their governments & get them to win their trust, to bribe their top men. Then some generations down the road, we will create hypocritical civil-rights movements in their lands, when we dont want them in ours. Then we will try to not integrate & to preserve our culture. Then our goal is to outbreed them = Conquest

[Cefuroxx]

@MrHerrIQ

Are you talking about jewish involvement in the civil rights movement or mexican involvement? I can't tell lol.

[MrHerrIQ]

@Cefuroxx

I was thinking more about what the Mex are doing now.

They may not use guns & say they want to violently get rid of whites or kill whites now but that might be because it's a stupid tactic on their part. They're still a minority. What they instead can do to get rid of whites, is to do what they are doing now. Using guilt, hidding behind civil-rights to push an ethnocentric, maliceous agenda that may very well be just as horrible as "Kill the mexicans". Their tactic is atleast workin

[chaoscontrot]

@MrHerrIQ

It's not some complex conspiracy to destroy the west, that's more or something you would expect from Islamics, at least they actually hate America. I don't know a single person who wants to kill white people(or anyone else, for that matter except a few of my buddys who want to join the military after college and dislike radical Muslims because of 9/11, but that's neither here nor there) in my circle of friends or in my family. These groups are an exception to the rule.

[MrHerrIQ]

@chaoscontrot

Some premisses:

Mexicans know who is and isn't Mexican.

Whites can never become Mexicans and Mexicans can never become whites.

Humans are egoistic, centric beings who look out for themselves first and foremost. Mexicans know that demographics is destiny. Mexicans are cultural-conservationists and ethnocentric. They are also openly, cultural-imperializts, wanting to push Mexican culture onto America. Whites are in the way/Not part of their ingroup. It's thus a ethno-war.

[MrHerrIQ]

@Chaoscontrot

Im not saying it's a complex conspiracy on the part of Mexicans.

I think they are just abusing/using the fact that leftist-ideolog's have hijacked the media, the government and academia. That is not a conspiracy theory but a historical fact. The fact that "conservatives" are so far to the left in many cultural-issues, that Neocons in actuallity are old Trotskyites, etc, is telling of what has happened to the West (Frankfurt School & Tavistock institute, Yuri Betzmenov).

[NAARandom]

@Cefuroxx

AIPAC?lulz.

[MrHerrIQ]

I hate the west because of slavery. Only whites committed atrocities. All whites are inherently more evil and because of this they must all suffer. To oppose racism is to oppose whites. And the best way to oppose them is not to use their system of thinking and so on. It's what the white man want you to do, he is manipulating you. Instead you must fight him with your machete once you have becomed the majority. The old, the lesbians, the blind, the babies & the women.

*Boinks white people*

-BP

[IndividualAutonomy]

@MrHerrIQ

Every scientific discovery, higher achievement, industrialization, technological achievement, and economic wealth was all stolen from the African tribes and Native Americans! As blacks and mixed race latinos we are owed because of the death of Native Americans who fought each other and teamed up with Europeans when it was in their interest! DEATH TO EUROPE! ISLAMIZE IT! DEATH TO THE US! HISPANIZE IT! DEATH TO AUSSIE LAND, CANADA etc! AFRICANIZE AND ISLAMIZE IT!

[GlennRoxWyo]

@MrHerrIQ Terribly wrong. The 1st slave owner in America was black

[sharperguy]

I don't really see how immigration control can actually control immigration. It's the same thing with prohibition. It just makes the bad parts of the problem worse, and the good parts go away.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@sharperguy

The problem is, reality is different than that so called libertarian line. Border fences and increased border patrol have decreased illegal immigration. Nations that have better border patrol than the US have been much more successful. Of course you will not be able to fully stop it, but granting citizenship etc can be stopped. It will not make the problem worse lol. Drugs also do not come with political ideas, nationalism, and entitlements in the trillions.

[NAARandom]

@IndividualAutonomy

NOOO! If reality does not conform to the libertarian line, then reality is wrong! Reality must be killed with fire.

[barccy]

@IndividualAutonomy What if a human smuggling operation arose? Box up some spics on a ship, sail them to a non border state or Canada ....

[Morrakiu]

So, what's the plan?

Build a border fence that doesn't suck and isn't just on 1/3 of the border? It would be easy enough to convince the morons in congress that it's a job creation project.

Srs question, guise.

[IndividualAutonomy]

@Morrakiu

I have a three part series on immigration concerning the US and Europe. I put forward some ideas and solutions in there with links and such.  Where border fences have been built, and increased border patrol placed, there has been a decrease in illegal immigration by large margins.

[InTheEndIWasRight]

Just nuke them if its such a big deal, or start a war with mexico

[IndividualAutonomy]

@InTheEndIWasRight

Or we can just keep them out, and they can have their Mexican nationalist, Latino racial consciousness in Mexico and practice their failed economic and social policies there lol.

[InTheEndIWasRight]

@InTheEndIWasRight But I don't care about california or even america for that matter. If they're like this virus then why not just wipe them out?

[IndividualAutonomy]

@InTheEndIWasRight

They, as in the vast majority of the individuals coming here, are only a threat if whites and pro western minorities, no matter their political ideologue, continue to allow them to come in. The European and Anglosphere nations still have the vast majority of economic, political, and social power. They have just become suicidal for whatever reason. Why would the immigrants not come if they were welcomed and told it was all stolen from them anyway (which is a 100% lie).

[InTheEndIWasRight]

@IndividualAutonomy Honestly If I cared what happened I would say the best option is just to kill them. (Not advocating that though).

[TimothyBragan]

@InTheEndIWasRight What's the matter with you, Erik? You are supposed to be opposed to violence, yet you oppose the simple "free market" solution of closing the borders and throwing out the criminals. Sure you don't care about america. But it is the culture you live in. Do you just want to watch it become even shittier, just because it's not perfect?

[InTheEndIWasRight]

@TimothyBragan Because I really don't care about the human species.

[TimothyBragan]

@InTheEndIWasRight

LMFAO!!!

Do you even realize what you are saying here?

[InTheEndIWasRight]

@TimothyBragan Misanthropy?

[TimothyBragan]

@InTheEndIWasRight

Well. I can totally see where that is coming from. But it's a very bad starting point if you want to argue about politics. LOL

[InTheEndIWasRight]

@TimothyBragan Well I don't really argue for anything anymore per se. I'd say about the only thing I want is the abolition of statism either in part or totally and many ideological social values such as religion, pop culture ect. Other then that I've really come to not like the human species across the board, so what happens to it really is irrelevant to me. Not saying I'm a super person or something like that though.

[MrHerrIQ]

@TimothyBragan

That if you look at it from an amotional and moral-nihilist perspective that it's possibly the most practical solution in regards to the conditional (if).

If we seek civilizational progression. And if some people inherently cause more problems and inevitably hinders the progression of civilization, the most cost and time benifitial solution in the longrun, is what ITEWR was advocating. Even if it WAS the most practical, although Im a moral-nihilist, something tells me it's bad.

[TimothyBragan]

@MrHerrIQ

I don't think so. Extreme, aggressive violence will only strengthen racism against whites. It also sharply violates my sensibilities, preferences, and values. Violence, defensive mostly, I'd say, is inevitable tho.

[MrHerrIQ]

@TimothyBragan

I've made so many sensless comments by now due to me sitting up here at night all tired. Yeah violence is not my cup of tea either, I concurr with you. Yeah it would probably just stirr up some massive problems. Im sure someone, somewhere is sitting on a Nuke or two, it's just not viable. I was merely theorizing what ITEIWR could have based his statements on, not saying I agree. Which I dont.

[chaoscontrot]

@TimothyBragan

Yeah it would. Heck I don't even know spanish, but if some radical neo-nazi groups all over the country started hunting down anyone with brown skin I'd learn real quick and probably join some kind of gang or other loosely militarized outfit to protect myself and my family until congress and the executive branch could remove the threat. The threat of extinction tends to kindle within individuals a desire to form common bonds for survival, even with people you don't understand.