Fuck the anarchists anarchy isn't the fucking answer the answer is the government for the people not screwing up a Starbucks so the manager can clean that shit up.
This is really lame, Frank Miller is right, sadly. There will be a day when a revolution occurs and it won't be in the form of a bunch of spoiled college students wearing V is for vendetta masks showing off karate moves.
@SwiftNightRunner I'd describe myself as an Anarchist and disagree with everything they've done in this video. There's nothing "scum" about wishing to live in a world based on peaceful, voluntary interaction and rejecting force.
I do not believe this is violent at all! They targeted a BUILDING, can we talk about the real issues here, the real violence that the government has been forcing on the American PEOPLE. What does PEOPLE before PROFIT mean then? Exactly this! Nice work Solidarity, lets not forget the diversity of tactics that we have in this movement.
Violence is almost always the wrong answer. To be violent, is NOT being rebellious, its just conforming to our cultural love of violence.
The greatest rebels weren't Che Guevara, Emiliano Zapata, or any anarchist tool who uses violence. Instead the greatest rebel of the 20 century was Ghandi.
@Eceoes Well for me Ghandi is just one rebel in a history full of them, we have to understand why we use violence, we have no choice, here in Chile we tried to use the reason, but they don't listen and instead, they send riot police, and in the third world the police is not ...polite. We have to accept all the ways of protest, otherwise, we are a singlehead movement easy to kill. Greetings
um i thought it was pretty cool no matter how you look at it. If there is gonna be a revolution the Governemnt needs to hear our voice. This got their attention. Did you see those cops? We are America. NO WAR! NOT IN OUR NAME!
Actions like this were inevitable. The country is fucked, who knows what's going to happen now. It says something about these Black Bloc people that they have to cover their faces. It also says something about the police that they didn't handle these guys.
The people generally taking part in BlackBloc activity just want to take action, they have been in this scene for way longer than most of you and in the meanwhile have grown more impatient and angry. If you don't like them smashing windows, then your movement should give them a task other than just "walking", something actually effective. Use their anger, and direct it, rather than letting it go rampant. Propose some ideas.
martial law ahead...we are supposed to be assembling peacefully people. now they will have a legit reason to put the entire nation on curfew.then what?
@HaremKnight - not sure what is a "sperg" - but as a Trotskyist you should know better than to state the choice as between "pacifists and cowards" and the delusional pseudo-revolutionary Black Bloc "anarchists". Trotsky certainly did.
WHERE WERE THE POLICE? THOSE GOONS WERE PAID OFF BY THE GOVERNMENT WHY IS IT WHEN PEACEFUL PROTEST HAPPEN POLICE BEAT THEM UP BUT WHEN VIOLENCE HAPPENS POLICE ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND
kind of dubious use of the word 'anarchist' in the title.. firstly, stating that the people in question are anarchists totalises them (and it is doubtful that everyone involved was an anarchist) and secondly it unnecessarily and prejudicially stigmatises the ideology... furthering the stereotype that anarchism entails disorder, violence, vandalism when this is absolutely not a necessary component of the (or any) political ideology......... I identify with anarchism but do not identify with this.
@DamiaanVDW The Black Bloc call themselves anarchists, use anarchist-ish rhetoric, and adopt anarchist symbols - the black flag, circle-A, etc.
As for me, I don't refer to them as anarchists, because I have too much respect for serious anarchists. I just call them the Black Bloc, or if I characterize them by a label, I prefer Narodnik.
@dwc1964 Black Bloc is a tactic? It's been adopted by many non-anarchist ideological causes. It's true that there are anarchist slogans and symbols in this video, but to describe these people as anarchists -in conjunction with their vandalism- stigmatises and totalises the ideology :/
@DamiaanVDW Fair 'nuff. I agree & am sick of the word "anarchist" being thrown around. I'm not one myself (anymore - I went through a phase in my 20s, didn't we all?) but I agree with your point re: "stigmatises and totalises the ideology".
It doesn't help that the Black Bloc claim for themselves the "Anarchist" label, so it's understandable that those (most people) who haven't read any anarchist theory get confused and believe Black Bloc = Anarchist.
there was violence. but only in a bizarre capitalist society would smashing shit be called 'violence'! I don't support nor oppose what they did, im kinda square in the middle
@markblackout To me it's not about "violence" vs. "non-violence" - as you note, the definition is subjective, and besides it's (imho) irrelevant.
As far as I'm concerned, it's about intelligent and effective action, vs. stupid and counter-productive action. The question to ask is: Does this help to build an active, self-organized and militant -mass- working-class movement?
Ask ordinary working people what they think of this silliness and you'll get your answer: No, it does not.
wouldn't it be peachy if we could all just grow our own food and march every day, and the system would just magically right itself. Fact is, what the world is up against is much more powerful than congress passing unjust laws and corporations being treated better than us. This new global system doesn't give a shit about anyone's life and it will eat us all alive if we are too afraid to stand up to it and fight!
I am totally disappointed to see these people ruining the good name of OWS with their immature and selfish acts of vandalism. They are trying to look tough but instead they look like a bunch of privileged jerks acting out their teenage angst. Grow up. I've been with ows from the second week and we don't condone violence. This mentality is contagious, however, and now is starting to happen in nyc. NON-VIOLENCE will win. Violence only creates more of the same.
Black Bloc cannot defeat capitalism by breaking its windows. Only a mass working-class movement, organized to take control of production and run it democratically, can beat the bosses. Window-smashing, flag-burning, rock-throwing and other infantile stuff like that puts off the people we're trying to get organized, mobilized and active. Which is why the cops send in agents provocateurs in masks to engage in this stuff. Now, not all black bloc are cops - but who can tell?
@dwc1964 That's exactly how we feel, we have to rise up and fire our bosses, we have economically cripple the people we're fighting against and start to make the state irrelevant, growing our own food, eventually organizing worker takeovers of factories and power stations. But we can't do that if we're made to look like violent terrorists who just want a riot.
Then the message isn't getting out about the injustices we're fighting or what we can do about it, all people see is violence.
@iFemAnonymous People dont want that, it doesnt work, lol why dont you just move to another country and set up a commune like a kibbitz? Dont forget to leave the real loonies out of it though.
You have to ask yourself, how long are you willing to protest? How long are you willing to camp in a park and have police constantly evict you violently? How long before you start smashing banks?
Then ask yourself, what are the consequences of your actions though, you cost the bank a few hundred for a new window, but they are making billions screwing you over everyday.
That is the dilemma of the modern day protester. When the only legal change is ruled by money, whats left for you to do?
@JesusDoesHisNails Do you think it helps to do things that cost the 1% nothing, make the protest look bad, and make the cops look provoked? We were editing footage for the J28 raid, do you realize that when we showed the footage, people who otherwise would have seen it as police brutality instead saw the cops being provoked with rocks and bottles and thought they were justified in 'doing their job'?
What impact do you think it had? Do you think it helped or hurt the movement?
You seem to forget that this damages Occupy's image a LOT. Without a positive image, this protest movement will asphyxiate and die. Cut the property-destroying shit out!
Their damage to the whole food market (a questionable target) was insignificant. Their damage to the #Occupy movement was massive. This video resulted in a massive withdrawal of support from small business owners who were providing food, goods, and shelter.
#BlackBloc did nothing but help the 1% and hurt the #Occupy movement. Why is anyone saying well done? This was total fail. Is breaking windows the end game for you people?
@iFemAnonymous the only way to destroy a corporation is not by killing off people or sitting in their offices while a good majority of those same people "protesting" still have money in a 5/3 down the street. The way to take down corporations is by financially blundering them i.e. destroying buildings etc
@TheRedLeapForward Have you read "How to fire your boss" it's got all kinds of great tactics like that. If you're good at it, you can stall and sabotage a company without being identifiable, it's a great way for workers to protest and get paid to do it.
@iFemAnonymous The sad thing is that a movement with such a large political agenda always develops an extremist side when police crackdown on them. The Civil Rights movement had the Black Panthers and Nation of Islam, the Students for a Democratic Society had the Weathermen, and now the Occupy movement has the violent anarchists and Black Bloc
@iFemAnonymous When big corporations haven't paid back the billions they took from the people, should they not express anger? I don't think I would be peaceful if somebody took money from me.
@iFemAnonymous Anarchism isnt all "smash windows, yea! PUNK ROCK!" theres been a lot of respectable philosophers in the Anarchist School of Thought. Anarchy wants a world without borders or social/economic classes. Growing your own food to invalidate the major food companies is something Anarchists do, as well as rioting. We riot because were tired of having them laugh at our picket signs. Legal, peaceful protest is half-assing the revolution.
@iFemAnonymous Some have refuted by being submissive, doing nothing about our imperialistic military that kills thousands is violence, also buying goods/foods made from countries with hardly any labor laws in violence against humanity, also excessive use of natural resources is violence to the atmosphere. I do not agree with black bloc use in this scenario, they should be more or less protecting protesters from violent riot police in my personal opinion.
@iFemAnonymous what people dont know is that blackbloc is really undercover police starting riots so that the riot police can take down the, what use to be, Peaceful protest. thy are trying to make it where less people support them. thats why if you see them, you should gang beat them and kick their ass out of the protest.
This is ridiculous, aimlessly vandalizing buildings, and being pricks. Do they REALLY think that a state of complete lawlessness is going to solve the world's problems? It will never be the perfect utopia where everyone is free and happy because humans just don't function that way. While the government of this country is bought and paid for, just going around destroying any old building isn't going to solve anyone's problems, except maybe help vent built up anger.
If you guys really want to make a difference you need to cost them more money then a window, such as maybe rob a bank and burn all of the money in public or Tar and Faither the ceo and corporate bankers who make millions that has always seemed to work in the past for getting one's point across and forcing change. That being said I would suggest against said actions for legal reasons.
it's a disgrace to see how low humans have to go just to get a fucking message out you fucking anarchist hippies make me sick luckily im in japan serving the country you protest against asuring people their rights if you have a fucking problem then you can fuck yourself
@MegaWildanimal Your in Japan, a country the US forcefully occupies. “Serving the country you protest against asuring (assuring) people their rights” How? The US government threatens the rights of the people in America and abroad. So if you want to protect my Freedom, my rights get yo ass back over here and fight this government.
@jehab20 forcefully occupies are you retarded or do you just act retarded the us does not and will not occupy it's allies country we are here because of sofa policy [status of forces agreement] we are here because our allies allow us to be here and another thing if it wasnt for the military or the government we would be under someone elses rule
@MegaWildanimal US dropped two atoimc bombs on Japanese civilians (bitch move) US uses money and intimidation (US foreign policy) to get Japan to agree to the sofa. Japanese population objects to sofa and continues to object with massive protest in Okinawa. The Japanese want the US out, but US refuses to leave. What is that called? If it wasnt for the military or the government americans wouldn't be hated across the globe.
''No violence'' and where does that get you? Sat in a fucking line while some cunt sprays pepper spray into your eyes. The occupations have awoken people to the ills of corporate capitalism but like fuck do they know what to do about it. You think your peaceful liberal shit is going to unravel a system entrenched in murder, oppression, lies and corruption? No. You destroy the state, you've got to scare it, worry it, smash it.
Also, the irony of ''no violence'' followed by attacks is hilarious.
@Shyguy419 I think that's a very good and serious question that needs to be asked. I would suggest that instead of starting with the question, "How do we change our tactics?" We ask, "What is our strategy?" Even if you did want to go the route of violence or "war on corporations" as others have commented here, you still need a strategy just like any war or insurgency. The strategy determines the tactics. Strategy requires feasible goals with measures.
Kinda funny how thee "peaceful protestors" talk so badly about all of these corporations but when someone trys to smash their window they defend them? Occupy aint what it used to be..
@TheStupidDrunk It's true that Occupy isn't what it used to be - not because it used to advocate smashing windows, but because it evolved into a non-representative fraction of Occupy smashing windows. How is smashing the windows of a bank defending someone?
@MureMelancholy I used to be a military policeman until I saw through the bullshit and starting speaking out and filing for conscientious objector status. I promise you they're not scared of people wearing hoodies and bandana masks beating up a Whole Foods. They laugh at the violent protesters behind their backs. Violence is their strength, and Occupy would never be able to match it. The question is, how do we get them to support us. That's something we did in Wisconsin, and can do now.
@MureMelancholy The idea that you either have to be violent or just march without doing anything is a false dichotomy, Occupy is getting the message out, that's why they're scared of us.
We're making people question the power structure, we're pointing out that the emperor has no cloths, and presenting alternatives, but mindless violence can destroy all that and they know it. That's what they want.
@iFemAnonymous Maybe its just that im an impatient teen, but all i see the movement doing is camping pointlessly then getting their ass kicked by the cops? Im sick of seeing people getting beaten up by cops and its us "violent teens" that are always the first to help some one out, im not saying run down the street destroying every store but we need to target big corps and goverment buildings. I still respect your opinion though, everyone has a right to protest how they want. (Y)
FUCK THERE SHIT UP! it's not like the governments are gonna listen to peaceful protests. LOOK UP SOUTH KOREA VETERAN RIOT. they used violence and they WON. THEY GOT PAID. we need real change all you pussies need to wake up its time to fight
@brmcint There dosen't have to be a last time. Explain to me when was a peaceful protest ever successful in bringing down a corrupt capitalistic system of epic proportions?
@Shyguy419 I think that you're right that the sudden dismantling of an entire capitalistic system "of epic proportions" would likely be preceded by a violent uprising, but just as that change is of epic proportion, so too must the violence of the uprising, and I suspect few are prepared to carry that out, and I know that few of the 99% are prepared to endorse such an insurgency. I haven't seen a problematic system replaced by a non-problematic system either. It's our job to be a pestering check.
@djphilmore So you propose lighting cops on fire with gigantic, homemade flamethrowers like they did in South Korea? That's one way to kill the Occupy movement I guess... Talk to Bill Ayers and other veterans of the Weather Underground. Ethical or not, it achieved nothing but the end of SDS. Also, the rioters' unique status as veterans and the feasibility of their demand had more to do with getting their demand (expected back-pay). What demand do you propose?
@brmcint lol stop trolling. you've gotten the answer from 20 other people your argueing with on here. we are AMERICAN CITIZENS. thats as good as we need to start a war. we did it already fighting against the same tyranny we have now in case you dont remember. theres no reason at all why we shouldnt do it again. except for pussies like you that won't fight.. "oh the damages, the horror." no shit bitch it's a fucking revolt. but humans rebuild thats what we do. wake up troll.
@djphilmore First, that's not what trolling is. Second, I'm aware of the tyranny leading up to the American Revolution, and I'm also aware that it was replaced by tyranny - the same tyranny you're proposing overthrowing right now - the same tyranny that says as an American citizen, you don't have a right to start a war.
I don't think it's being a pussy to suggest that 70,000 dead soldiers is not a proportional response to an unfair tax system that was replaced by an unfair tax system. Not to mention the 4,000 other soldiers who died in the War of 1812, which was direct blowback from the Revolution; or the slaves who remained slaves longer because instead of simply ending slavery like the British, America extended it until 200,000 more Americans were killed.
I assume by calling me a pussy you're suggesting I'm afraid of war. I deployed to Afghanistan for 10 months, know what IEDs, small arms fire, and mortars are like, and went toe-to-toe with my commanders when I started speaking out against it all. And I flew to Afghanistan again as a civilian with my deployment money, and talked with people who've seen war for 40 years. It's not romantic, or glory. The South Korean veterans got paid because we glorify state warriors.
I'm not encouraging you to do so and I'm not accusing you of being a "pussy", but I would bet that your rationalism and conscience will work together in full force to discourage you from achieving your rhetorical ambitions. When I see you planting IEDs or sniping human beings, then I'll think differently, and concede that your words are more than rhetoric.
@djphilmore Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion, mass protests against the new governments' tax policies and private rent policies, were launched within 10 years after the Revolution. The first Sedition Act was passed by the second president's administration, getting a very early start on infringing free speech. Warmongering against England, France, and Spain occurred immediately. As for "End the Fed", the first version, the First Bank of the United States, was passed by George Washington
Smash the banks! Fuck all these liberal, privileged pricks in this video & posting comments. So many new people to the activist scene & they all think they know more than the people who've been protesting this shit for decades...
Anarchists: *throws paint at buildings*
Self-proclaimed non-violent protesters: "No violence!"
@mistadobbsalina What were the black bloc anarchists here attempting to accomplish? I suspect that Whole Foods wasn't at all affected by this. It's largest effect was causing fissures in Occupy and being broadcasted by corporate media as one of the few examples of Occupy violence. This action was a contribution to right-wing propaganda.
@guatahala That's absurd. You realize it will be rebuilt right? You propose blowing up banks and Whole Foods, and that will begin to slow the reproduction of current social relations? If we blow up enough infrastructure, people will begin to see each other in new and better ways, will begin to empathize with one another, and the inequality gap will shrink? I don't follow.
I don't claim that it's enough, but sabotaging the infrastructure of the economy is one amongst many ways of weakening capitalists and capitalism. People won't see each other in new ways unless the constellation of power that creates their relationships (capitalism) is weakened or destroyed. Capitalism produces alienation. Attacking capitalism destroys alienation, and therefore creates empathy.
@guatahala I think that's true that property-damage does produce costs for capitalism, but not to a high enough degree that they change anything unless the damage is of high proportion, which would alienate the audience and vast Occupy constituencies who morally object to such tactics. I like alienation theory, and your logic, but the more I've thought about, I've followed Marx in distancing myself from that idea.
@brmcint Herbert Marcus, a neo-Marxist from the Frankfurt School, seems to make more sense in saying that social beings conjure their identities from that which they produce or work for; or Marx's take that the majority of a society's beliefs are rooted in a false ideology. But this means that if you attack these things, you are attacking them; they become defensive and seek refuge their false identities. The trick is to creatively demonstrate the falsity; make them fear themselves.
@thirtythreedeadowls You propose launching a war against corporate America? What would this look like? We blow up some companies, assassinate some CEOs, and then job growth will resume? This all just seems like populist rhetoric. If it's not about appealing to people, then why do we declare: "We are the 99%". If you can show me even 10% of Americans who support this war, then I would reconsider.
It's not a good way to appeal to people as an undifferentiated mass. However, it is a great way to appeal to people with rebellious sentiments and a pre-existing lack of respect for property and law - i.e. The people most likely to become anarchists after seeing this.
But to read these actions as primarily an appeal to people is to miss the point. They're direct action taken to maim the physical infrastructure of capitalism, not symbolic protest.
@guatahala The social world is all symbol. It's how we communicate through words, gestures, facial expressions, and action. It's the reason black bloc anarchists wear black hoodies and bandanas because they think they're communicating something fearful. So if these actions are not symbols, then what do you hope to achieve, practically and transformatively, by kicking down picket fences and smashing windows at Whole Foods?
I was perhaps a tad reductive and unclear. Obviously there is plenty of intentional and unintentional communication going on. What I should have written is that these actions are primarily intended as direct attacks on capitalist infrastructure to block the flow of capital, not as gestures of protest appealing to a democratic majority or to our rulers. The point is that they dammage the economy in and of themselves, inspire similar actions in the future and open up a dialogue.
@guatahala I agree with you that economic pressure is an extremely powerful tool we have in our arsenal. I'm not sure this sort of action blocks capital though. Shutting down ports; general strikes; boycotts; those certainly block capital, admittedly temporarily. But this action temporarily "diverts" capital. Whole Foods would use their capital to repair the damages, lending profits to someone else. You can't however buy your way out of a shut-down, a strike, or a boycott.
It blocks capital in a minor way. I'm certainly wary of the risk of anti-capitalists focussing their efforts on more spectacular forms of attack like window breaking at the expensive of less photogenic but often more effective forms of attack like strikes and blockades (although the boycott is a pretty weak tactic that helps perpetuate our role as consumers), but a broken window still puts a business out of action until it's repaired. And that time can't be bought back either.
They are playing into the government's hands. By them doing this it gives the government the excuses they need to create new laws and bans further restricting and abolishing our rights and freedoms for everyone. Also win over more sheeple for the government. So in turn, when the time comes to make a final stand, the people of this country will not have the weapons or means to do so and will be crushed.
I'm with the east cost 30 year of my life representer. Stupid ass black bloc anarchists. Wells-Fargo is insured, i'm pretty sure they don't lose a penny with those smashed windows. Only people that suffer are the working class people that work as security officers. Moronic ideologists! Feeding the system what it needs, hate and destruction. Only way I see these actions logical is by thinking that black bloc anarchist are hired by banks to do what they do. Or they're racist like @TheBC2683
If these fuckers came to my property oh they wish they hadn't i would take out my fucking nail bat and my shotty, fuck out of here at 3:32 thats my man, yo he is nice with the stick. Good shit for the people that spoke out 4:04, even ghetto people know its wrong, get a clue.
So I will again issue a call to all my fellow more tech-savvy hacktivists.... help me and us put faces and names to the 1% not just corporate facades we all already know. Put these fukn elites all of them on the front page... ALL OF THEM. Those of us that have the heart to do what must be done can better serve the purpose if those with the skillz can get us the people hiding in the shadows. HELP ME HELP YOU.
okay, can't resist anymore. lets be critical thinkers here... let me use an analogy. Smashing a few storefronts and destroying some private property is akin to tearing off the wings of a few drone/worker bee's and hoping the colony dies... it's fukn futile. Gotta hit harder, WAY FUKN HARDER. Personally, I know as well as I try to hide myself its pointless and so I hide no more I love this approach it has potential albeit weak so far.
@cha53z what do you mean by "youre with the OWS"? the black block is a group of people usually dressed in black, with leftist ideals (usually anarchists/marxists), found at a protest who are BEST used to defend against police violence (take the brunt end of the fascism, found in forms of tear gas, baton swings etc) so that the protest can continue. here they are acting pretty immature not getting anything done except making a mess which will be cleaned up shortly thereafter.
@coldgettindumb What i mean is, I've been following OWS and haven't heard of Black bloc before, i also assumed anyone fighting for the people was part of the movement too but that's not exactly apparent here. Even though i have ideas of what it is you are saying somehow its not clicking and I'm not trying to be rude. Its fine anyway i guess I'll just read up on it somewhere else. Thanks.
@cha53z the thing that you might not understand is that everyone that is marching, demonstrating, protesting... is not part of "the movement". there are many different movements and the black bloc, in this video (in my opinion) isnt really helping any of them.
@coldgettindumb Oh now i see what you mean.. i guess my confusion was assuming everyone marching was part of the Occupy wall street movement. Now i get it, and yeah it doesn't seem like they're helping but I guess that's their own approach of getting things done rather than just demonstrating. Thanks again for the explanation.
This was an anti-capitalist Black Bloc march from the beginning. I don't know why the Bloc got mixed up with peaceful protesters, but this march was clearly anti-capitalist. Don't mix yourself up with the Black Bloc's separate actions and then tell them to get out of your movement.
Okay, I support OWS and Black Bloc, but some OWSers are being downright stupid. If you don't want Black Bloc to hurt your image than don't fucking get mixed up with them. Go do your own thing and let them do theirs.
These people are the chaos that the government has created in order to provide their solution, which is the antichrist. Bunch of retards... "One love, one people, one world government!" That's what they are going to accelerate. They obviously have never researched the 60's movement and the Weather Underground.
Fuck the anarchists anarchy isn't the fucking answer the answer is the government for the people not screwing up a Starbucks so the manager can clean that shit up.
heroesandcons09 6 days ago
This is really lame, Frank Miller is right, sadly. There will be a day when a revolution occurs and it won't be in the form of a bunch of spoiled college students wearing V is for vendetta masks showing off karate moves.
kiittenwolf 1 week ago
SOLIDARITY FROM CHILE!
ZePeLLiN98 1 week ago
Look at Germany's black bloc than you'll get a better idea on the concept.
KevinSupportsProp215 1 week ago
Anarchists, scum of the fucking world.
SwiftNightRunner 1 week ago
@SwiftNightRunner I'd describe myself as an Anarchist and disagree with everything they've done in this video. There's nothing "scum" about wishing to live in a world based on peaceful, voluntary interaction and rejecting force.
rg37 6 days ago
@rg37
Definition of anarchy, please. That is why your scum. Pure, and simply.
SwiftNightRunner 3 days ago
@SwiftNightRunner @heroesandcons09 are we serious here?
DamiaanVDW 3 days ago
@DamiaanVDW
Yes.
SwiftNightRunner 3 days ago
I do not believe this is violent at all! They targeted a BUILDING, can we talk about the real issues here, the real violence that the government has been forcing on the American PEOPLE. What does PEOPLE before PROFIT mean then? Exactly this! Nice work Solidarity, lets not forget the diversity of tactics that we have in this movement.
OccupySixFigures 1 week ago
The black man in 3:29 it's amazing jajaja
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bigpotplant 1 week ago
Fuck pacifist, violence is the only way left to be heard, at least in america. Greetings from Chile, keep it up black block!!
gringuish12 1 week ago
@gringuish12
Violence is almost always the wrong answer. To be violent, is NOT being rebellious, its just conforming to our cultural love of violence.
The greatest rebels weren't Che Guevara, Emiliano Zapata, or any anarchist tool who uses violence. Instead the greatest rebel of the 20 century was Ghandi.
Eceoes 1 week ago
@Eceoes Well for me Ghandi is just one rebel in a history full of them, we have to understand why we use violence, we have no choice, here in Chile we tried to use the reason, but they don't listen and instead, they send riot police, and in the third world the police is not ...polite. We have to accept all the ways of protest, otherwise, we are a singlehead movement easy to kill. Greetings
gringuish12 1 week ago
good job
olivernavarros 1 week ago
um i thought it was pretty cool no matter how you look at it. If there is gonna be a revolution the Governemnt needs to hear our voice. This got their attention. Did you see those cops? We are America. NO WAR! NOT IN OUR NAME!
YourAmericanNeighbor 1 week ago
Actions like this were inevitable. The country is fucked, who knows what's going to happen now. It says something about these Black Bloc people that they have to cover their faces. It also says something about the police that they didn't handle these guys.
seriousguynogames3 2 weeks ago
Anarchism is a way of life... there always be anarchism
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The people generally taking part in BlackBloc activity just want to take action, they have been in this scene for way longer than most of you and in the meanwhile have grown more impatient and angry. If you don't like them smashing windows, then your movement should give them a task other than just "walking", something actually effective. Use their anger, and direct it, rather than letting it go rampant. Propose some ideas.
Sharangir 2 weeks ago
Charlie Mason would be proud.
LALizzie 2 weeks ago
FUCKING NINJA AT 3:27
thespainisharmada 2 weeks ago
It's ironic to see the Occupy protestors PROTECTING the corporations. I understand why it needed to be done, though. These losers are not Occupy.
thespainisharmada 2 weeks ago
These people are NOT Occupy.
xuserx2000 2 weeks ago
The black guy is awesome.... #REAL
wolfpackho91 2 weeks ago 2
What is with the spooky music?
greenghost2008 2 weeks ago
martial law ahead...we are supposed to be assembling peacefully people. now they will have a legit reason to put the entire nation on curfew.then what?
occupyPoverty 2 weeks ago
black bloc are heroes revolution is coming they did to those buildings what the banks did to the american economy fucked it up
McMuffin752 2 weeks ago
the class war won't be won by pacifists and cowards.
HaremKnight 3 weeks ago
@HaremKnight - So our choice is either to be "pacifists and cowards" or infantile play-revolutionaries?
No thanks, I'd rather work to build a mass working-class movement capable of shutting down and taking over production.
Black Bloc tactics are the opposite of a general strike.
That's why the cops love you guys so much, and infiltrate your ranks (so easily!) with agents provocateurs to stoke your stupidest ideas.
Again: You can't beat capitalism by breaking its windows.
dwc1964 3 weeks ago
@dwc1964 I'm not an anarchist you sperg, I'm a Trotskyist.
HaremKnight 3 weeks ago
@HaremKnight - not sure what is a "sperg" - but as a Trotskyist you should know better than to state the choice as between "pacifists and cowards" and the delusional pseudo-revolutionary Black Bloc "anarchists". Trotsky certainly did.
dwc1964 2 weeks ago
@HaremKnight for real occupy are cowards they need to turn violent
McMuffin752 2 weeks ago
.....& the ignorant shall reveal themselves by their actions.....
25411959 3 weeks ago
IT'S OCCUPY NOT DESTROY
JR3289 3 weeks ago
WHERE WERE THE POLICE? THOSE GOONS WERE PAID OFF BY THE GOVERNMENT WHY IS IT WHEN PEACEFUL PROTEST HAPPEN POLICE BEAT THEM UP BUT WHEN VIOLENCE HAPPENS POLICE ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND
maybeso08 3 weeks ago
The left has anarchist ;D and the right has fascist.
KevinSupportsProp215 3 weeks ago
I love the Black Bloc but please just stick to the G8/G20.
nisto95 3 weeks ago
FUCK PEACE I WANT JUSTICE! VILOENCE IS THE ANSWER!
iHipHopVEVO 3 weeks ago
kind of dubious use of the word 'anarchist' in the title.. firstly, stating that the people in question are anarchists totalises them (and it is doubtful that everyone involved was an anarchist) and secondly it unnecessarily and prejudicially stigmatises the ideology... furthering the stereotype that anarchism entails disorder, violence, vandalism when this is absolutely not a necessary component of the (or any) political ideology......... I identify with anarchism but do not identify with this.
DamiaanVDW 3 weeks ago
@DamiaanVDW The Black Bloc call themselves anarchists, use anarchist-ish rhetoric, and adopt anarchist symbols - the black flag, circle-A, etc.
As for me, I don't refer to them as anarchists, because I have too much respect for serious anarchists. I just call them the Black Bloc, or if I characterize them by a label, I prefer Narodnik.
dwc1964 3 weeks ago
@dwc1964 Black Bloc is a tactic? It's been adopted by many non-anarchist ideological causes. It's true that there are anarchist slogans and symbols in this video, but to describe these people as anarchists -in conjunction with their vandalism- stigmatises and totalises the ideology :/
DamiaanVDW 3 weeks ago
@DamiaanVDW Please read what I wrote: "I don't refer to them as anarchists, because I have too much respect for serious anarchists".
dwc1964 3 weeks ago
@dwc1964 I know, I know :) I was just digging at the video title, sorry if I seemed like I was digging at you!
DamiaanVDW 2 weeks ago
@DamiaanVDW Fair 'nuff. I agree & am sick of the word "anarchist" being thrown around. I'm not one myself (anymore - I went through a phase in my 20s, didn't we all?) but I agree with your point re: "stigmatises and totalises the ideology".
It doesn't help that the Black Bloc claim for themselves the "Anarchist" label, so it's understandable that those (most people) who haven't read any anarchist theory get confused and believe Black Bloc = Anarchist.
dwc1964 2 weeks ago
there was violence. but only in a bizarre capitalist society would smashing shit be called 'violence'! I don't support nor oppose what they did, im kinda square in the middle
markblackout 3 weeks ago
@markblackout To me it's not about "violence" vs. "non-violence" - as you note, the definition is subjective, and besides it's (imho) irrelevant.
As far as I'm concerned, it's about intelligent and effective action, vs. stupid and counter-productive action. The question to ask is: Does this help to build an active, self-organized and militant -mass- working-class movement?
Ask ordinary working people what they think of this silliness and you'll get your answer: No, it does not.
dwc1964 3 weeks ago
wouldn't it be peachy if we could all just grow our own food and march every day, and the system would just magically right itself. Fact is, what the world is up against is much more powerful than congress passing unjust laws and corporations being treated better than us. This new global system doesn't give a shit about anyone's life and it will eat us all alive if we are too afraid to stand up to it and fight!
gerri577 3 weeks ago
I am totally disappointed to see these people ruining the good name of OWS with their immature and selfish acts of vandalism. They are trying to look tough but instead they look like a bunch of privileged jerks acting out their teenage angst. Grow up. I've been with ows from the second week and we don't condone violence. This mentality is contagious, however, and now is starting to happen in nyc. NON-VIOLENCE will win. Violence only creates more of the same.
lopilaroe 3 weeks ago
Black Bloc cannot defeat capitalism by breaking its windows. Only a mass working-class movement, organized to take control of production and run it democratically, can beat the bosses. Window-smashing, flag-burning, rock-throwing and other infantile stuff like that puts off the people we're trying to get organized, mobilized and active. Which is why the cops send in agents provocateurs in masks to engage in this stuff. Now, not all black bloc are cops - but who can tell?
dwc1964 3 weeks ago
@dwc1964 That's exactly how we feel, we have to rise up and fire our bosses, we have economically cripple the people we're fighting against and start to make the state irrelevant, growing our own food, eventually organizing worker takeovers of factories and power stations. But we can't do that if we're made to look like violent terrorists who just want a riot.
Then the message isn't getting out about the injustices we're fighting or what we can do about it, all people see is violence.
iFemAnonymous 3 weeks ago 7
@iFemAnonymous People dont want that, it doesnt work, lol why dont you just move to another country and set up a commune like a kibbitz? Dont forget to leave the real loonies out of it though.
mrduffy1100 2 weeks ago
You have to ask yourself, how long are you willing to protest? How long are you willing to camp in a park and have police constantly evict you violently? How long before you start smashing banks?
Then ask yourself, what are the consequences of your actions though, you cost the bank a few hundred for a new window, but they are making billions screwing you over everyday.
That is the dilemma of the modern day protester. When the only legal change is ruled by money, whats left for you to do?
JesusDoesHisNails 3 weeks ago
@JesusDoesHisNails Do you think it helps to do things that cost the 1% nothing, make the protest look bad, and make the cops look provoked? We were editing footage for the J28 raid, do you realize that when we showed the footage, people who otherwise would have seen it as police brutality instead saw the cops being provoked with rocks and bottles and thought they were justified in 'doing their job'?
What impact do you think it had? Do you think it helped or hurt the movement?
iFemAnonymous 3 weeks ago
You seem to forget that this damages Occupy's image a LOT. Without a positive image, this protest movement will asphyxiate and die. Cut the property-destroying shit out!
blinxwang 3 weeks ago
Stupid ass people Black bloc just plain ignorant
cesarseizure 3 weeks ago
I want this video on my Optimus 3D P920 phone.
rafaelsalinas58 3 weeks ago
Their damage to the whole food market (a questionable target) was insignificant. Their damage to the #Occupy movement was massive. This video resulted in a massive withdrawal of support from small business owners who were providing food, goods, and shelter.
#BlackBloc did nothing but help the 1% and hurt the #Occupy movement. Why is anyone saying well done? This was total fail. Is breaking windows the end game for you people?
iFemAnonymous 3 weeks ago 28
@iFemAnonymous the only way to destroy a corporation is not by killing off people or sitting in their offices while a good majority of those same people "protesting" still have money in a 5/3 down the street. The way to take down corporations is by financially blundering them i.e. destroying buildings etc
TheRedLeapForward 3 weeks ago
@TheRedLeapForward Have you read "How to fire your boss" it's got all kinds of great tactics like that. If you're good at it, you can stall and sabotage a company without being identifiable, it's a great way for workers to protest and get paid to do it.
iFemAnonymous 3 weeks ago
@iFemAnonymous hmmm, ill look into that
TheRedLeapForward 3 weeks ago
@iFemAnonymous The sad thing is that a movement with such a large political agenda always develops an extremist side when police crackdown on them. The Civil Rights movement had the Black Panthers and Nation of Islam, the Students for a Democratic Society had the Weathermen, and now the Occupy movement has the violent anarchists and Black Bloc
alexiaNBC 3 weeks ago
@iFemAnonymous When big corporations haven't paid back the billions they took from the people, should they not express anger? I don't think I would be peaceful if somebody took money from me.
Shyguy419 3 weeks ago
@iFemAnonymous Anarchism isnt all "smash windows, yea! PUNK ROCK!" theres been a lot of respectable philosophers in the Anarchist School of Thought. Anarchy wants a world without borders or social/economic classes. Growing your own food to invalidate the major food companies is something Anarchists do, as well as rioting. We riot because were tired of having them laugh at our picket signs. Legal, peaceful protest is half-assing the revolution.
greenmonsterpuppies 2 weeks ago
@iFemAnonymous Some have refuted by being submissive, doing nothing about our imperialistic military that kills thousands is violence, also buying goods/foods made from countries with hardly any labor laws in violence against humanity, also excessive use of natural resources is violence to the atmosphere. I do not agree with black bloc use in this scenario, they should be more or less protecting protesters from violent riot police in my personal opinion.
KevinSupportsProp215 1 week ago
@iFemAnonymous what people dont know is that blackbloc is really undercover police starting riots so that the riot police can take down the, what use to be, Peaceful protest. thy are trying to make it where less people support them. thats why if you see them, you should gang beat them and kick their ass out of the protest.
36ronjon 2 days ago
Well done.
g0dh4x 3 weeks ago
OccuPoopers = Dirty ill informed ideologue's
ObaManure 3 weeks ago
This is ridiculous, aimlessly vandalizing buildings, and being pricks. Do they REALLY think that a state of complete lawlessness is going to solve the world's problems? It will never be the perfect utopia where everyone is free and happy because humans just don't function that way. While the government of this country is bought and paid for, just going around destroying any old building isn't going to solve anyone's problems, except maybe help vent built up anger.
Smokles3 3 weeks ago
3:28 a ninja!!! watch out
poposisa 3 weeks ago
when are people going to realize you cant do shit by just speaking. they don't give a shit
iscootscoot 3 weeks ago
@iscootscoot agree
poposisa 3 weeks ago
I think the buildings look better afterwards.
FtMSebastion 1 month ago
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If you guys really want to make a difference you need to cost them more money then a window, such as maybe rob a bank and burn all of the money in public or Tar and Faither the ceo and corporate bankers who make millions that has always seemed to work in the past for getting one's point across and forcing change. That being said I would suggest against said actions for legal reasons.
Jackle814 1 month ago
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Jackle814 1 month ago
it's a disgrace to see how low humans have to go just to get a fucking message out you fucking anarchist hippies make me sick luckily im in japan serving the country you protest against asuring people their rights if you have a fucking problem then you can fuck yourself
MegaWildanimal 1 month ago
@MegaWildanimal Your in Japan, a country the US forcefully occupies. “Serving the country you protest against asuring (assuring) people their rights” How? The US government threatens the rights of the people in America and abroad. So if you want to protect my Freedom, my rights get yo ass back over here and fight this government.
jehab20 1 month ago
@jehab20 forcefully occupies are you retarded or do you just act retarded the us does not and will not occupy it's allies country we are here because of sofa policy [status of forces agreement] we are here because our allies allow us to be here and another thing if it wasnt for the military or the government we would be under someone elses rule
MegaWildanimal 4 weeks ago
@MegaWildanimal US dropped two atoimc bombs on Japanese civilians (bitch move) US uses money and intimidation (US foreign policy) to get Japan to agree to the sofa. Japanese population objects to sofa and continues to object with massive protest in Okinawa. The Japanese want the US out, but US refuses to leave. What is that called? If it wasnt for the military or the government americans wouldn't be hated across the globe.
jehab20 4 weeks ago
@jehab20 so ur saying you would love to be under someone elses rule then by all means go to a foreign country and live there since you hate the us
MegaWildanimal 4 weeks ago
Pie the Media!
getjediah 1 month ago
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prebenmar 1 month ago
love...... i pity it, you cant stop greed with love.
xAmRcNx 1 month ago
''No violence'' and where does that get you? Sat in a fucking line while some cunt sprays pepper spray into your eyes. The occupations have awoken people to the ills of corporate capitalism but like fuck do they know what to do about it. You think your peaceful liberal shit is going to unravel a system entrenched in murder, oppression, lies and corruption? No. You destroy the state, you've got to scare it, worry it, smash it.
Also, the irony of ''no violence'' followed by attacks is hilarious.
efcdom1878 1 month ago
@zanneke666 I heard that in the military all the time
brmcint 1 month ago
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"we're better that this" We sleep shit and piss in tents. That is so much better. Right?
Shyguy419 1 month ago
You get treated the same as the anarchists , Peacefully protesting is over . You will get your head kicked in just the same .
TheAnonymousRevolt 1 month ago
@TheAnonymousRevolt So if peacefully protesting is over, what sort of protest are you proposing, and will be the aim of it?
brmcint 1 month ago
@Shyguy419 so because i beleive in non-violence that makes me a hippie? its that kind of thinking thats just a breeding ground for ignorance
geckowonderful 1 month ago
I can see how many banks the peaceful protesters smashed....0
Shyguy419 1 month ago
@Shyguy419 So you smash a bank. Then what?
brmcint 1 month ago
@brmcint So you have held peaceful protests and have been living in tents for 4 months....Now what?
Shyguy419 1 month ago
@Shyguy419 I think that's a very good and serious question that needs to be asked. I would suggest that instead of starting with the question, "How do we change our tactics?" We ask, "What is our strategy?" Even if you did want to go the route of violence or "war on corporations" as others have commented here, you still need a strategy just like any war or insurgency. The strategy determines the tactics. Strategy requires feasible goals with measures.
brmcint 1 month ago
The government wants them to react, so they have a reason to imprison/kill them
VHSParkour 1 month ago
Propaganda by the deed
brent0935 1 month ago
Kinda funny how thee "peaceful protestors" talk so badly about all of these corporations but when someone trys to smash their window they defend them? Occupy aint what it used to be..
TheStupidDrunk 1 month ago 2
@TheStupidDrunk It's true that Occupy isn't what it used to be - not because it used to advocate smashing windows, but because it evolved into a non-representative fraction of Occupy smashing windows. How is smashing the windows of a bank defending someone?
brmcint 1 month ago
HOLY SHIT A JEDI!
TheStupidDrunk 1 month ago
Destruction of one's property is not legal and is ignorant if this is what they're fighting for.
Evenwas616 1 month ago
They want you peacefully march.
They are scared.
They know what we are capable of.
They want us to quitly walk down a street.
No, were born to be free, we shall fight for our freedom!
Respect to the people of the USA.
MureMelancholy 1 month ago 2
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brmcint 1 month ago
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@MureMelancholy I used to be a military policeman until I saw through the bullshit and starting speaking out and filing for conscientious objector status. I promise you they're not scared of people wearing hoodies and bandana masks beating up a Whole Foods. They laugh at the violent protesters behind their backs. Violence is their strength, and Occupy would never be able to match it. The question is, how do we get them to support us. That's something we did in Wisconsin, and can do now.
brmcint 1 month ago
@MureMelancholy The idea that you either have to be violent or just march without doing anything is a false dichotomy, Occupy is getting the message out, that's why they're scared of us.
We're making people question the power structure, we're pointing out that the emperor has no cloths, and presenting alternatives, but mindless violence can destroy all that and they know it. That's what they want.
iFemAnonymous 3 weeks ago
@iFemAnonymous Maybe its just that im an impatient teen, but all i see the movement doing is camping pointlessly then getting their ass kicked by the cops? Im sick of seeing people getting beaten up by cops and its us "violent teens" that are always the first to help some one out, im not saying run down the street destroying every store but we need to target big corps and goverment buildings. I still respect your opinion though, everyone has a right to protest how they want. (Y)
MureMelancholy 3 weeks ago
FUCK THERE SHIT UP! it's not like the governments are gonna listen to peaceful protests. LOOK UP SOUTH KOREA VETERAN RIOT. they used violence and they WON. THEY GOT PAID. we need real change all you pussies need to wake up its time to fight
djphilmore 1 month ago 3
@djphilmore Same stuff in Greece. There were so many riots against there prime minister, he was forced to resign.
Shyguy419 1 month ago
@Shyguy419 Do you propose that we riot until Obama resigns, so Biden can take over? When was the last time a riot changed anything in the US?
brmcint 1 month ago
@brmcint There dosen't have to be a last time. Explain to me when was a peaceful protest ever successful in bringing down a corrupt capitalistic system of epic proportions?
Shyguy419 1 month ago
@Shyguy419 I think that you're right that the sudden dismantling of an entire capitalistic system "of epic proportions" would likely be preceded by a violent uprising, but just as that change is of epic proportion, so too must the violence of the uprising, and I suspect few are prepared to carry that out, and I know that few of the 99% are prepared to endorse such an insurgency. I haven't seen a problematic system replaced by a non-problematic system either. It's our job to be a pestering check.
brmcint 1 month ago
@djphilmore So you propose lighting cops on fire with gigantic, homemade flamethrowers like they did in South Korea? That's one way to kill the Occupy movement I guess... Talk to Bill Ayers and other veterans of the Weather Underground. Ethical or not, it achieved nothing but the end of SDS. Also, the rioters' unique status as veterans and the feasibility of their demand had more to do with getting their demand (expected back-pay). What demand do you propose?
brmcint 1 month ago
@brmcint lol stop trolling. you've gotten the answer from 20 other people your argueing with on here. we are AMERICAN CITIZENS. thats as good as we need to start a war. we did it already fighting against the same tyranny we have now in case you dont remember. theres no reason at all why we shouldnt do it again. except for pussies like you that won't fight.. "oh the damages, the horror." no shit bitch it's a fucking revolt. but humans rebuild thats what we do. wake up troll.
djphilmore 1 month ago
@djphilmore First, that's not what trolling is. Second, I'm aware of the tyranny leading up to the American Revolution, and I'm also aware that it was replaced by tyranny - the same tyranny you're proposing overthrowing right now - the same tyranny that says as an American citizen, you don't have a right to start a war.
brmcint 1 month ago
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brmcint 1 month ago
I don't think it's being a pussy to suggest that 70,000 dead soldiers is not a proportional response to an unfair tax system that was replaced by an unfair tax system. Not to mention the 4,000 other soldiers who died in the War of 1812, which was direct blowback from the Revolution; or the slaves who remained slaves longer because instead of simply ending slavery like the British, America extended it until 200,000 more Americans were killed.
brmcint 1 month ago
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I assume by calling me a pussy you're suggesting I'm afraid of war. I deployed to Afghanistan for 10 months, know what IEDs, small arms fire, and mortars are like, and went toe-to-toe with my commanders when I started speaking out against it all. And I flew to Afghanistan again as a civilian with my deployment money, and talked with people who've seen war for 40 years. It's not romantic, or glory. The South Korean veterans got paid because we glorify state warriors.
brmcint 1 month ago
I'm not encouraging you to do so and I'm not accusing you of being a "pussy", but I would bet that your rationalism and conscience will work together in full force to discourage you from achieving your rhetorical ambitions. When I see you planting IEDs or sniping human beings, then I'll think differently, and concede that your words are more than rhetoric.
brmcint 1 month ago
@brmcint you know this stuff didnt start till later right? lol.... alot later.
djphilmore 1 month ago
@djphilmore Shay's Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion, mass protests against the new governments' tax policies and private rent policies, were launched within 10 years after the Revolution. The first Sedition Act was passed by the second president's administration, getting a very early start on infringing free speech. Warmongering against England, France, and Spain occurred immediately. As for "End the Fed", the first version, the First Bank of the United States, was passed by George Washington
brmcint 1 month ago
@brmcint sigh... you just dont get it do you?
djphilmore 1 month ago
violence -
1. swift and intense force: the violence of a storm.
2. rough or injurious physical force, action, or treatment: to die by violence.
3. an unjust or unwarranted exertion of force or power, as against rights or laws: to take over a government by violence.
4. a violent act or proceeding.
5. rough or immoderate vehemence, as of feeling or language: the violence of his hatred.
6. damage through distortion or unwarranted alteration: to do editorial violence to a text.
Now STFU
polygoncount 1 month ago 2
Smash the banks! Fuck all these liberal, privileged pricks in this video & posting comments. So many new people to the activist scene & they all think they know more than the people who've been protesting this shit for decades...
Anarchists: *throws paint at buildings*
Self-proclaimed non-violent protesters: "No violence!"
Anarchists: "That's not violence."
Self-proclaimed non-violent protesters: *Attacks anarchists*
(A)//(E)
mistadobbsalina 1 month ago 14
@mistadobbsalina What were the black bloc anarchists here attempting to accomplish? I suspect that Whole Foods wasn't at all affected by this. It's largest effect was causing fissures in Occupy and being broadcasted by corporate media as one of the few examples of Occupy violence. This action was a contribution to right-wing propaganda.
brmcint 1 month ago
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koppellhinex 1 month ago
@mistadobbsalina BlackBloc did nothing but help the 1% and hurt the Occupy movement.
iFemAnonymous 3 weeks ago
The Black Bloc is fucking insane
Violence does solve anything, it just creates more violence
geckowonderful 1 month ago
@geckowonderful why don't you learn how to write hippie
Shyguy419 1 month ago
Your vid is a favorite on Saint John's
lopezjackie515 1 month ago
black bloc is the shit
McMuffin752 1 month ago 3
There is a role for everyone in the revolution. I believe Peace & Non-Complience is the solution.
2012Conquest 1 month ago
@2012Conquest by peacefully marching you are complying
foxfoxfox76 1 month ago 11
@foxfoxfox76 Complying with what?
brmcint 1 month ago
"you can't blow up a social relation" - look it up
wildgift2 1 month ago
@wildgift2
But you can blow up all the physical infrastructure that helps reproduce that social relation - smash it up.
guatahala 1 month ago 2
@guatahala That's absurd. You realize it will be rebuilt right? You propose blowing up banks and Whole Foods, and that will begin to slow the reproduction of current social relations? If we blow up enough infrastructure, people will begin to see each other in new and better ways, will begin to empathize with one another, and the inequality gap will shrink? I don't follow.
brmcint 1 month ago
@brmcint
I don't claim that it's enough, but sabotaging the infrastructure of the economy is one amongst many ways of weakening capitalists and capitalism. People won't see each other in new ways unless the constellation of power that creates their relationships (capitalism) is weakened or destroyed. Capitalism produces alienation. Attacking capitalism destroys alienation, and therefore creates empathy.
guatahala 1 month ago
@guatahala I think that's true that property-damage does produce costs for capitalism, but not to a high enough degree that they change anything unless the damage is of high proportion, which would alienate the audience and vast Occupy constituencies who morally object to such tactics. I like alienation theory, and your logic, but the more I've thought about, I've followed Marx in distancing myself from that idea.
brmcint 1 month ago
@brmcint Herbert Marcus, a neo-Marxist from the Frankfurt School, seems to make more sense in saying that social beings conjure their identities from that which they produce or work for; or Marx's take that the majority of a society's beliefs are rooted in a false ideology. But this means that if you attack these things, you are attacking them; they become defensive and seek refuge their false identities. The trick is to creatively demonstrate the falsity; make them fear themselves.
brmcint 1 month ago
Smashing windows is a lousy way to appeal to people.
wildgift2 1 month ago
@wildgift2 it's not about appeal to people it's about fighting a fucking war against corporate america
thirtythreedeadowls 1 month ago
@thirtythreedeadowls You propose launching a war against corporate America? What would this look like? We blow up some companies, assassinate some CEOs, and then job growth will resume? This all just seems like populist rhetoric. If it's not about appealing to people, then why do we declare: "We are the 99%". If you can show me even 10% of Americans who support this war, then I would reconsider.
brmcint 1 month ago
@wildgift2
It's not a good way to appeal to people as an undifferentiated mass. However, it is a great way to appeal to people with rebellious sentiments and a pre-existing lack of respect for property and law - i.e. The people most likely to become anarchists after seeing this.
But to read these actions as primarily an appeal to people is to miss the point. They're direct action taken to maim the physical infrastructure of capitalism, not symbolic protest.
guatahala 1 month ago
@guatahala The social world is all symbol. It's how we communicate through words, gestures, facial expressions, and action. It's the reason black bloc anarchists wear black hoodies and bandanas because they think they're communicating something fearful. So if these actions are not symbols, then what do you hope to achieve, practically and transformatively, by kicking down picket fences and smashing windows at Whole Foods?
brmcint 1 month ago
@brmcint
I was perhaps a tad reductive and unclear. Obviously there is plenty of intentional and unintentional communication going on. What I should have written is that these actions are primarily intended as direct attacks on capitalist infrastructure to block the flow of capital, not as gestures of protest appealing to a democratic majority or to our rulers. The point is that they dammage the economy in and of themselves, inspire similar actions in the future and open up a dialogue.
guatahala 1 month ago
@guatahala I agree with you that economic pressure is an extremely powerful tool we have in our arsenal. I'm not sure this sort of action blocks capital though. Shutting down ports; general strikes; boycotts; those certainly block capital, admittedly temporarily. But this action temporarily "diverts" capital. Whole Foods would use their capital to repair the damages, lending profits to someone else. You can't however buy your way out of a shut-down, a strike, or a boycott.
brmcint 1 month ago
@brmcint
It blocks capital in a minor way. I'm certainly wary of the risk of anti-capitalists focussing their efforts on more spectacular forms of attack like window breaking at the expensive of less photogenic but often more effective forms of attack like strikes and blockades (although the boycott is a pretty weak tactic that helps perpetuate our role as consumers), but a broken window still puts a business out of action until it's repaired. And that time can't be bought back either.
guatahala 1 month ago
They are playing into the government's hands. By them doing this it gives the government the excuses they need to create new laws and bans further restricting and abolishing our rights and freedoms for everyone. Also win over more sheeple for the government. So in turn, when the time comes to make a final stand, the people of this country will not have the weapons or means to do so and will be crushed.
ANGELSRAGE77 1 month ago
The black bloc that perform vandalism and property damage might as well work for the police. It's so very sad.
DrGlass 1 month ago
I'm with the east cost 30 year of my life representer. Stupid ass black bloc anarchists. Wells-Fargo is insured, i'm pretty sure they don't lose a penny with those smashed windows. Only people that suffer are the working class people that work as security officers. Moronic ideologists! Feeding the system what it needs, hate and destruction. Only way I see these actions logical is by thinking that black bloc anarchist are hired by banks to do what they do. Or they're racist like @TheBC2683
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Our government are still stealing people's money.Read NY time assholes,if u can read blacky.POWER TO THE PEOPLE
TheBC2683 1 month ago
If these fuckers came to my property oh they wish they hadn't i would take out my fucking nail bat and my shotty, fuck out of here at 3:32 thats my man, yo he is nice with the stick. Good shit for the people that spoke out 4:04, even ghetto people know its wrong, get a clue.
KIrbyTheFlrst 1 month ago
So I will again issue a call to all my fellow more tech-savvy hacktivists.... help me and us put faces and names to the 1% not just corporate facades we all already know. Put these fukn elites all of them on the front page... ALL OF THEM. Those of us that have the heart to do what must be done can better serve the purpose if those with the skillz can get us the people hiding in the shadows. HELP ME HELP YOU.
ReligiousCancer 1 month ago
okay, can't resist anymore. lets be critical thinkers here... let me use an analogy. Smashing a few storefronts and destroying some private property is akin to tearing off the wings of a few drone/worker bee's and hoping the colony dies... it's fukn futile. Gotta hit harder, WAY FUKN HARDER. Personally, I know as well as I try to hide myself its pointless and so I hide no more I love this approach it has potential albeit weak so far.
ReligiousCancer 1 month ago
okay this is very confusing.. being that I'm with the OWS and this is pretty much the first time I'm hearing of the Black Bloc.
cha53z 1 month ago
@cha53z what do you mean by "youre with the OWS"? the black block is a group of people usually dressed in black, with leftist ideals (usually anarchists/marxists), found at a protest who are BEST used to defend against police violence (take the brunt end of the fascism, found in forms of tear gas, baton swings etc) so that the protest can continue. here they are acting pretty immature not getting anything done except making a mess which will be cleaned up shortly thereafter.
coldgettindumb 1 month ago
@coldgettindumb What i mean is, I've been following OWS and haven't heard of Black bloc before, i also assumed anyone fighting for the people was part of the movement too but that's not exactly apparent here. Even though i have ideas of what it is you are saying somehow its not clicking and I'm not trying to be rude. Its fine anyway i guess I'll just read up on it somewhere else. Thanks.
cha53z 1 month ago
@cha53z the thing that you might not understand is that everyone that is marching, demonstrating, protesting... is not part of "the movement". there are many different movements and the black bloc, in this video (in my opinion) isnt really helping any of them.
coldgettindumb 1 month ago
@coldgettindumb Oh now i see what you mean.. i guess my confusion was assuming everyone marching was part of the Occupy wall street movement. Now i get it, and yeah it doesn't seem like they're helping but I guess that's their own approach of getting things done rather than just demonstrating. Thanks again for the explanation.
cha53z 1 month ago
This was an anti-capitalist Black Bloc march from the beginning. I don't know why the Bloc got mixed up with peaceful protesters, but this march was clearly anti-capitalist. Don't mix yourself up with the Black Bloc's separate actions and then tell them to get out of your movement.
zeroXXman 2 months ago
Okay, I support OWS and Black Bloc, but some OWSers are being downright stupid. If you don't want Black Bloc to hurt your image than don't fucking get mixed up with them. Go do your own thing and let them do theirs.
Death2Evil 2 months ago
These people are the chaos that the government has created in order to provide their solution, which is the antichrist. Bunch of retards... "One love, one people, one world government!" That's what they are going to accelerate. They obviously have never researched the 60's movement and the Weather Underground.
UCAGIB 2 months ago
@UCAGIB you must be an idiot.
AfterClassTrip 2 months ago
What happened to peaceful protesting???
I agree with what occupy stands for, but they are not doing any favors for themselves doing it like this.
I just think that them just being there in the way is failing and they know it so know they are resorting to more drastic measures.
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