From your friends in Australia. We each need to start our own - for the lack of a better word, Political groups in each country of the world. And run for the control of government positions and take the world back from within, using their own platform of power. WE HAVE THE RIGHT AND THE ABILITY. If we all do it, it becomes safe. I'm not waiting till it’s safe, I and others like myself are starting now. Under A Resource Based Economy, we can set the world free. "SO SAY WE ALL".
@wolfclan13 Yes, indeed. I actually like this guy, although I think some of the things are put a little bit on the edge in his documentaries. But when I listen to him speak, it's simply amazing!
Guys there will be a zeitgeist 4. Peter joseph just spoke about it while giving a speech
last thursday see it at - nuvendigital.(deletethiswords)com/?page_id=474 - remember to share it afterwords. S orry i could not post the full address because of googles rules just delete the (... ) and past the adress on your adress Bar
I totally agree with him. Religion is about the phylosophy it contains. Prophets and "other" objects are just characters in the story. How many religious people have studied other religions? If they did, they would find them all similar in their phylosophy. Stop whining about the unimportat things and start looking into what you so blindly believe in people!
Why the hell would God bless America in the first place? Undoubtedly the most fucked up, indoctrinated society on the planet. He probably blesses Nepal if he was gonna bless anyone. hehe.
If enough people got together they could create one giant farm that would produce so much food that food prices would reach zero. The whole economy would then collapse, and yet we would all have tons of food, so everything would be fine.
@ZoneTelevision It’s the Christianity that’s all ‘about you’ – your personal relationship with “Jesus” – not New Testament Jesus mind you, but “American Jesus”. Not the one who uttered the beautiful and transcendent Sermon on the Mount but the one who is ‘on your side’ as you bomb brown and yellow people – the fuckwit you pray to before Football Games so he’ll be on your side then too!
@2001Horatio He’s the ‘Jesus’ who really doesn’t believe in the sentiments of the Sermon on the Mount at all – what he really likes is the American Way – capitalism, greed, disdain for the poor and disadvantaged, imperialism, war .. you get the picture, or if you don’t get it by now then you haven’t seen Christianity in other countries.
@2001Horatio Americans have taken the message of Jesus and aborted it – too un-American – (love your enemy!!! Fuck that!) – instead they substituted the sickening smugness of Evangelicals and their ‘personal relationship with Jesus’ who makes THEM FEEL good about THEMSELVES and their disgusting behaviour –
@2001Horatio They turned a creed that was fundamentally about ‘others’ into one that was about selfishness – American Christianity is infected with Ayn Rand’s revolting ‘philosophy’ of the ‘individual’ (Selfishness, Smugness, Greed, War). If there IS a God – American Christians are seriously FUCKED
@2001Horatio Oh ok... got it. I wouldn't say that is (American) Christianity... It is paganism that has been perverted into "Christianity" i.e. Catholic "Christianity".... they pray to pagan saints and they anthropomorphize God.
@ZoneTelevision Whatever you say dude - but I lived there for over a decade and hardly ever met a Catholic - (so fuck that for a dumb theory - though I do recall how so called American Christians HATE Catholics and spew bullshit about them) And could ANYONE anthropomorphize God more than smug, smiley Christicunts who go on and on (and fucking on) about how Jesus is their friend and Personal Savior.... no. Look, ZoneTV person, we're not going to agree
@2001Horatio You've lived where for ever a decade ? ..Obviously, we won't agree .. however First, its not a "theory" Secondly, you got your history and facts all mixed up. I study religious history so i have a somewhat unique perspective on the subject .. Most American (Born-agains , Pentecostals, fundamentalist "Christians" were brought up Catholics.. and then there are %23 that are American Catholics now have Approximately %50 of American "Christians" (are) or (were) Catholic.
@2001Horatio ..The majority of Americans (60% to 76%) identify themselves as "Christians". That's Trivial info you can look up yourself. Then there is the question of Theology and Doctirine. Most "Christians" believe in the Trinitiarian (Nicene Creed) form of the Godhead. This is NOT and never was part of the Christian doctrine at its inception. There is no evidence of a Triune God in the Old or the New Testament.. save what a few of the Ante Nicene fathers inferred from the text.
@2001Horatio > "AMerican Christians hate Catholics" < DO you speak for everyone here ? You are referencing the ealry 19th century migrations of Catholics to The States. DO you understand why the people Fled to America in the first place? The Puritans where trying to get out from under Roman rule of all the Christian Churches in Europe which had one foot in the Vatican. In fact the Catholic Church put people to death for reading the Bible.. so understand where part of the hatred comes from.
@Sleepynator Mainly in the US where they have dreamed up "American Jesus" the Jew who is on your side in bombing raids and football games and gay hatred etc. Hating Jesus, in other words
@2001Horatio I meant the concept of beliving in something that supposedly happend thousands of years ago and never again since then just because a book says so... That book could have been written as a novel by a twisted writer :D Beliving in yourself is the only thing one need to belive in.
@TheTrollgubbe ...I agree. I don't agree with his views on religion but everything else is pie. And ultimately the movement he seems to be advocating is universal in scope and humanitarian. The people of this planet have been brutally abused by their governments and the predatory ruling class. This is a revolution of knowledge and of great awakening and it starts with understanding how all these global institutions work.
i'me not religious, i maybe scientificly or spiritualy minded which are other words for thinking & i'me not really great at that so religion to me is as complicated as the science of economics or physics so i don't really have a rite to be atheist either so what choice do i have but to conform to society & work all hours to pay for my rent, water supply & energy bills? the term god bless america always got my goat too like america was god & to believe there is a god is just as arrogant!!!!!!
@AUTubeN22 ok believing in god is not being arrogant for for every body but to be a us president using the term god bless america so automaticaly and him actualy believing in god is more or less a sick lie rather than being arrogent!!
as a part of the Move all ready, I sincerely think that we need to have a special concern about the religious communities and those ones that have faith on God, whatever god it is, assuming it as very important learned issue for the preservation of their ontological state of lives, witch is a main part of the emotional disposition a a human organism, at this ending Era of Human Life.
Greetings to all of you folks from Uruguay, here in the South of the Americas!!
as a part of the Move all ready, I sincerely think that we need to have a special concern about the religious communities and those ones that have faith on God, whatever god it is, assuming it as very important adquiered issue in the preservation of their ontological state of lives, witch is a main part of the emocional disposition a a human organism, at this ending Era of Human Life.
Greetings to all of you folks from Uruguay, here in the South of the Americas!!
as a part of the Move all ready, I sincerely think that we need to have a special concern about the religious communities and those ones that have faith on God, whatever god it is, assuming it as very important adquired issue in the preservation of their ontological state of lifes, witch is a main part of the emocional disposition a a human organism at this ending Era of Human Life.
Greetings to all of you folks from Uruguay, here in the South of the Americas!!
I think this dudes ideas and insights may reverberate throughout future human history!
Perhaps if we(the human race)are lucky,something might be done about the heartbreaking state off affairs at present.
The only faith I myself have is in the scientific method as this can be applied to anything of real importance.(ranging from ethics to how one makes a good waffle.)
I'm intrigued as to what the solution might be to all of this(if it is not already too late.)
Very interesting what he says in 7:50 about religion. For the people who say that he is against the religions, in 8:00 he clearly is NOT against the religions but he explains how fanatism can be a problem and how always the religion has been used for keeping society under control, and relating it with politic and economic power ("god bless America" and "In god we trust").
Very interesting what he says in 7:50 about religion. For the people who say that he is against the religions, in 8:00 he clearly is NOT against the religions but he explains how fanatism can be a problem and how always the religion has been used for keeping society under control, and relating it with politic and economic power ("god bless America" and "In god we trust").
@carlosaledosanchez America sounds a little fanatical about religion when the president says things like we did that or we must do this to protect Americans & finishes the great speaches off with the good old "GOD BLESS AMERICA" routine as matter of factly as one would say "A DOG IS A MAN'S BEST FRIEND" I wonder how much people would see through his integrity if Obama said A DOG IS AMERICAS BEST FRIEND! we know how folk love their pets & how offended they would feel by such a notion!!!
I am totally psyched! - Pressing on. - I believe that if you really search for truth, you will think much like Peter Joseph. In addition to the Earth, Sun and Universe, I often reflect on what I know, or choose to believe, of Einstein, Jesus, Heisenberg, Buddha, Coyote - I choose to hedge my spiritual bets: If we can achieve global cooperation, we might honor the architect of intelligent design, if one exists. Regenerative Economics+Cooperative Problem Solving Experiments @ EnviroMonster,com
hes tired of philosophical dispositions, yet his stance on morality and epistimology is correlated to certain moral philosophies, that being of an existential or empirical spectrum. For him to say philosophy is merely a "verbal hobby" is a paradox on his part. I really like peter joseph, but he needs to be humble on how much he ACTUALLY knows.
I agree with everything Peter says, EXCEPT his disbelief in the existence of God. There is a huge difference between being religious and being spiritual. I too had the same issues he has with "religion." After a spiritual epiphany during a three day coma, I experienced God and much was revealed. God is an energy source, not a man or woman, but an energy source. I had the same issues with religion, and I do think. I don't just believe, I KNOW God exists. But that's beside the point.
RE: 5:11-5:30 Is an appeal to scientism, which is its own narrow-minded and highly dogmatic philosophy. You need to ask yourself which "scientific method" (?) Mr. Joseph is referring to. Because if he's referring to the methodology of Popper (a philosopher of science), then he's contradicting his own rejection of philosophy. If he's arguing to another more ambiguous definition of "the scientific method," then he's begging the question.
he has a great point, he sells a t-shirt to help his efforts. look at all the bullshit charities that sell all kinds of crap only giving 25% to the actual cause. the opositions attack has back fired. It just proves how corrupt every other system. not the massive zeitgeist movement that is going to help free the west from the monetary system and into a new world of technology and advancement of the human race. peace among all that will only come from protest demonstration and revolution!
there is no shame in using a system you want to change to change it. If he has to make a few bucks or a lot of bucks using the economic system to change it, it makes a lot of sense. Only idiots try to put up a smokescreen of "crying hypocrisy" as some flimsy defense of their own ideology.
We are doomed! Thus guy does everything humans and religions have always done: He separates himself and his movement from the rest of society and says :we are better than you'. Which is exactly what religion does, and which is why we have so many wars and battles between our own kind. This guy is trying to get enough people to believe like he does so that we can attack each other. He has already started the attacks in his films. What is wrong with this world?!!!
@killmoreturtles He is simply opening your eyes , all you have to do is look ! He does not say he is better than you.....didn't ask to be your leader or president or God , he's saying change the way you look at this world , and we can all change this fucked up system
@killmoreturtles not at all. the world is in bad shape but at least PJ nd his Zmovment are doing something different outside the existing reality. thats the issue. you speak of its likenesses to other conflicting things, but those are worked(attempted) within the existing reality. change the model like PEter and Jacques...and Ido.
Wow, he seriously needs to get educated when it comes to philosophy. He's clearly some sort of empiricist, but wouldn't know it. How can he not consider general philosophy or notions of morality important, and he has some weird understanding of the "scientific method." I think he's confusing it with straight-forward rationality. He needs to stay away from that philosophical stuff, or get educated on it, and stick to the rest of the stuff he has some real understanding of.
@oihhow I was just away to post a similar comment! Without philosophy how can he even establish whether there is such a thing as "the natural order of things"? It's not a "verbal hobby," we use philosophy in our everyday lives just as much as we use science. And if he's read Foucault, he might stop to ponder what will replace the present social order if people are broken out of this alleged "mental programming."
I don't like what he says about religion. I'm not religious I used to be and I think it's impossible to put into practice. Lets just stick with what we have on earth and try not to run over each other in an increasingly populated world.
so I have noticed some things that have happened in my life since coming across the Zeitgeist trilogy. 1.) I have never had my tax returns questioned 2.) I have had two tax returns since 2008 questioned by the IRS. My family is divided, one half has seen the Zeitgeist movies and have moved in to the realm of enlightenment and the other half thinks I am the Devil. YAY
I love how he says "we have to survive [with money] to do something."
Wrong wording? A case of foot-in-the-mouth? lol
Our society is f'ed by the current monetary system, yes, I agree, but there has always been some form of compensation in our society. Early humans 'worked' together, dividing up the labor, and the compensation was security and more food - time was currency.
Our society has to grow from our roots, of early humans, by using the knowledge we have today to move forward.
@justnaesman I agree man, In these films its like: 'society should do this', or' we should do that' . First, their is no ' we' bigger than your close family. Second, somebody has to decide what should be done. What is the best? For who is it' the best' or the most effective or efficient. Even if all humans wouldn't work and got everything for free, who/what is going to decide if a new city should be build? I do like zeitgeist and the movement, but somethings are not clear to me :P.
@GaminHasard some things are not clear to you mainly because you're waiting to be spoon fed the next thought. think more, you can find the solutions. Make up ones that work for you and your local "we". Why wait there playing helpless and making the solution someone elses job? The main thing feeding these societal problems is the individual not answering questions for themselves but taking the answers handed down to them by whatever illusion of authority we can find.
@phatboy11388 haha what are you talking about? :P Why do you think i ask these questions , i dont believe that the venus project will work, or other stuff that these zeitgeist film present. I'm maby wrong because some things aren't clear to me thats why i ask the question not because i'm a baby waiting to be spoon fed :D thats ridiculous.
If the planet didn't want us to destroy it then it wouldn't of given us the ability. We are not separate from it but "it" itself and morally no different then a volcano or an earthquake. Whether we fail or succeed means nothing in comparison to our sun at supernova. It will happen and hopefully we will have spent every "dollar" getting our asses out of the solar system. There is no perversion in our world...just our world... what actually looks out of balance is actually in balance...
@kamanchi7 what are u talking about mate...cancer kills a human being a disease that is created within ..so does that mean we are killing ourselves because we want too...u are either completely thick or seriously mislead...or i seriously misunderstood and if so im sorry but its sound like your waffling mate
@DjFree08 I have to be a devils advocate towards Peter Joseph on the what could be seen as humans creating a world out of balance through greed and capitalistic mechanics. The longer lifespan is the major source of disease in humans and through our inventiveness we will leave this planet for somewhere else before then end of our earth. Our changing of the planet is morally no different then a natural disaster of the scale of a meteor strike because we are a natural process of the planet.
Your a good man Joe, This movement will grow, either quickly or slowly. it is part of our future. there will be greater understandings along the way but this time will always be noted in history.
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offering free download as well as DVD order, to me is having choice.
you put something forward and people build an identity for you around it and then when you diverge from what they expect you to do, you are being unauthentic.
authenticity though is not acting according to what others expect (or what you think people expect from you) but being through to your own self.
"Peter Joseph" should put an extra option: if you are not glad that I offer DVDs for 5$ then you can buy them at 20$
How many times is history going to repeat itself.. How many people in history were ridiculed and laughed at for trying to help humanity . Only later to find out they were the enlightened ones of their time.. Dont follow this man .. Follow his IDEA .. The IDEA that we need start thinking for ourselves
most people believe in god because someone else believes in him...no one on this planet has ever met an all powerful, all knowing entity that said "i am god, believe in me"...no, they simply believe in god or go to church because that's the program...
@Colt2571 Im not religious, but depending on one's definition of God, i very well might be able to say that indeed i believe in God. but again, it totally depends on definition. Your definition of god is quite stupid...
if you think that is what every religious person believes, than i think you have a pretty narrow view in life.
you are selling people short, not all people are mindless little lemmings with no mind of their own.
@triplesquarednine i didn't define god in my post, i said people follow a "god" because that is what they've been programmed with. you cannot know something without it being communicated to you (language, etc). if you were born in a cave and never met anyone else, you wouldn't know anything about "god", which proves religion is 100% manipulation by definition. most religious people do no investigate religion, which is stupid....they blindly follow something though know almost nothing about.
@Colt2571 actually, you did define god. You first referred to God as a male, and then as this all powerful and all knowing entity.
Which to me sounds like a Christian reference.
Long before organized religion, people had beliefs in things like god.
Probably dating back to living in caves. One could also speculate that it is indeed possible to be sitting in a cave by one's self, pondering existence, possibly constructing/imagining the idea of god.
@triplesquarednine God is the English name given to a singular being in theistic and deistic religions (and other belief systems). the term GOD as in the name, is a religious creation.
@triplesquarednine i wasnt trying to hide the wikipedia quote, that's why i typed it. any idiot can look it up. i was making a point about the term God. you originally said my definition of god is "quite stupid"...it is not MY definition as i didn't originate the word and it's connotation. it's like calling someone stupid for saying a plant is green.
@Colt2571 the concept of God (as in what you wrote 1st) is stupid, dated, and lets face it. if there is in fact "god", it would be so far beyond our understanding, things like male/female/entity/being wouldn't even describe something soooo beyond our understanding, even our imagination.
also the planet is NOT green, so that is a very stupid analogy! Any picture from space will clearly show you we inhabit a blue planet...
(as it is mostly covered in water, not earth and trees)
@Colt2571 my bad on the plant thing. sorry. However, your first comment was NOT referring to the definition of the word "god". You CLEARLY were talking about the idea/concept. there is a difference, and if you read closely there was no point to begin with, in quoting wikipedia, as i had already pointed out the masculine/christian reference of god. now your just side-stepping with the definition on wikipedia, which is just one definition.
also, that IS YOUR definition of God, because that is what YOU PERCEIVE God to mean/be - in YOUR OWN MIND... regardless of what you are spoon-fed in wikipedia.
The idea of God isn't exclusive to religion (nor thought up by religion), as religion means more of a public display of beliefs/organized group. God is just the english word for a very old belief...
Religion probably wouldn't exist without god, but god can certainly
@triplesquarednine "God is just the english word for a very old belief" a BELIEF created by others, which counts as religion. a man born in a cave having no contact with anyone would not know anything about "god"...its a creation to feed the hierarchical system of the elite to enslave others and make them feel weak. if man didn't invent god would the concept exist? you only know about "god" because someone else told you. therefore it is just another "program" im playing devils advocate here.
@Colt2571 Belief and religion ARE NOT THE SAME THING, go look it up!
it does not count as religion.
You thinking an isolated person would have no concept of god, doesn't make that true, or even at all provable. furthermore, i'm pretty sure the concept of god goes back WAY further than the elite....and happened all over the planet, in separate/isolated corners.
if anything the elite, took over the concept and used organized religion for their goals.
@Colt2571 by your own logic, EVERYONE IS!!! including YOU!
knowledge and beliefs are handed down and/or learned, that is how it works.
i never said anything, nor presented myself as some person who came up with my whole system of beliefs or knowledge myself. or as someone trying to pass it off as my own. I don't follow any particular faith,
but RESPECT ALL!
being Athiest, religous or whatever, YOU ARE ALSO UNDER SOMEONE's BELIEF...
if man didn't invent god, would the concept exist?
that would depend on the existence of god....obviously no concept would exist, if we didn't invent it. would gravity not exist, if it wasn't conceived???
I disagree that we only know what we are told. you've never had intuition??? or a feeling about a situation/or something before, that ended up being accurate????
as in u knew internally, before disclosure and im not talking about god here, just in general...
@triplesquarednine "would gravity not exist, if it wasn't conceived???" --- it doesn't need to be conceived because it's a natural law. god is not a natural law, it is a belief.
...much of it, is built on what we think and believe, not on hard scientific
facts. Hence why they are theories. That's no dis-to-science (science happens to be a passion of mine).
We as people have alot of beliefs, because lets face it, we a nothing more than a speck in the universe, and therefore can't even grasp 1% of what's happening around us.
the complexity of life, our scientific understanding, etc. just shows me there is a god (although my definition isn't wikipedia's)
@Colt2571 Lots of religious people investigate religion. I can think of countless people in my own life, where this would ring true.
Not all religious people are stupid, nor are all athiest's intellegent and critical thinking people.
Religion isn't 100% manipulation, although i do agree people can be manipulated through religion. But those people could be manipulated just as easily without religion..
I think it is best to not be so judging of others, and put them all into a box
Wait a minute, you said you hate the world of advertising, you hate the world of marketing, but wait it's all for YOUR movement so now what you hate is alright? Yeah that makes perfect sense.
as a part of the Move all ready, I sincerely think that we need to have a special concern about the religious communities and those ones that have faith on God, whatever god it is, assuming it as very important learned issue for the preservation of their ontological state of lives, witch is a main part of the emotional disposition a a human organism, at this ending Era of Human Life.
Greetings to all of you folks from Uruguay, here in the South of the Americas!!
Like Freedeana I'm an atheist. After watching part 1 of Zeitgeist , I batch-emailed a link to it to quite a few friends. I really had a cringe moment after watching pt.s 2 and 3. And of course, even there many obfuscations of the facts occur. I thought it a shame as a more accurate pt. 1 as a stand alone-Zeitgeist Prologue?-video it could be quite effective. As is, it's all presentation using low-grade, conflated research. It's mostly quite irrelevant to the complex realities confronting us.
@thelion2430 In truth, all of it.. It's arguing about the cause of an overflowing toilet on the Titanic. The world economy has actually been a Ponzi scheme since 1913, and is in the process of imploding. In contrast to this larger reality, Zeitgeist is just another celebration of the trivial.
@RecursiveProphet i see just a claim what hase no basis...and to say that all in the movie is irrelevant shows your ignorance.....
you should see Peter josephs lectures...and i dont realy see what problems you have...i know many teachers who see the logic and necessity of this system because our money world destroys the planet with this buy and consume ideology
Read up on "fractional-reserve banking" and then tell me how relevant PJ's crap is. Part 1 is full of errors and 2-3 are on the order of the birthers. Try not paying your taxes if you really think-as he claims-there's no law saying you have to.
And to say that just because you get penalties, etc for not paying your taxes doesn't not negate the fact that there isn't a valid law requiring that you pay. You're missing the point.
There needn't be a law...our dumbasses will pay it anyway and if we don't we have party line divides where citizenry will marginalize you too for not paying them.
@RecursiveProphet It's just like the G20 where the cops were hitting some people unprovoked (many of them peaceful) and the majority of citizenry calling them scumbags and trash too, marginalizing them for dissenting in any form.
Again, divided people. It works quite well. The people fight among the people, and the elite do as they please.
@RecursiveProphet Ya got no clue kid, go back to school. There is no law that states that you indefinately have to pay taxes. His "crap" is actually starting to wake a few people up that actually have a brain. I suggest that you do a bit more research before hand.
Empathize with those of us stuck in dogma... Peter's clarity can be validating and liberating it we let go of the belief/fear of a potentially damning god. If there is an all powerful god who loves all souls even half as much as we love our children, could there ever really be a soul left behind?
only religious people seem to attack peter. even though he's trying to explain they are in their own psychosis the ramble on and are convinced that they are right about everything.
religious people are the number one most stuborn... faction of us the people. REFUSING to see things differently.
@soytjuh Well now you've found your first exception. Maybe I should start Atheists Against Zeitgeist. He can explain to me that I'm in my own psychosis, but if he's talking shit I'll point it out. My main problem with him is that he's convinced he's right about everything (including my psychosis). I espouse tolerance of cultural difference (with some exceptions), and feel that it's not helpful to demonize groups such as 'the religious'. Zeitgeist alienates most of the planet trying to unite it.
@freedeanna have you seen Iran lately - does it look united to you? the United States? Another religious country? The Zeitgeist film challenged religion, sure...and that reflects Peter's, and most of the members view: That from a scientific perspective, there is no reason to believe in any of it, and certainly no way it is morally sound to ignore the subject and never question it. 'We' do not advocate the destrution or oppression of any religion - we are pretty sure it will fade away by iself.
@MarioSavioTZM If we focus too much on unity, on uniting through arguing about who's right and sane, we might not be taking the most useful stance (i.e. not sane or right). If we require everybody to accept your view, we might as well wait for Jesus. Ain't gonna happen. If you're confident religion will fade away by itself, why bother challenging it and risk alienating people? Have you heard of Unity in Diversity? Now there's a great movement! (...although it's not for everybody, tee hee).
@freedeanna I think you've misunderstood me. I spend next to no time attacking religion, I agree with you that it is pointless. Many of us are frustrated by the first film, but maybe it was a good thing to mention the elephant in the room? I haven't said anywhere everyone should accept our view...you're really confusing me..I am just making the point that religion itself perpetuates much of the division we see. Unity in diversity? Yes that's totally possible..and yes I've heard of it..
@MarioSavioTZM You say "I spend next to no time attacking religion", and continue "religion itself perpetuates much of the division we see." Do you see why I might be misunderstanding you? You perpetuate division. You did it just then. I perpetuate division. I'm doing it right now. Why not say "Science itself perpetuates division"? Is there anything wrong with the statement? Is it untrue?
"...Unity in diversity? Yes that's totally possible..and yes I've heard of it" Good.
@freedeanna using one example, from the first time you have ever engaged me in conversation - when the topic IS RELIGION - you then suggest I criticize it frequently - with no way to prove it. How irrational can you be? Your attitude is hostile and aggressive, yes, you are perpetuating division here and seeing things that aren't there. Of course science generates division in an age of pervasive irrational thought - people are going to be upset. But should if we should unify behind anything...
@MarioSavioTZM OK Mario, I'll stop my hostility and agression and perpetuating of division and seeing things that aren't there. There, we're in "Unity" now.
Let me get this right, Peter? You say that MONEY is IRRELEVANT TO ANYTHING GOING ON IN THE REAL WORLD, and then you have to apologise for needing some cash to put into projects. You say that things went out of whack when we learned to control the planet, so why advocate a technological future instead of a machine-free one. Further, during that time of pre-industrual harmony, humans USED MONEY! Think it through again dude. You're probably well-meaning, but you're naive. Wake up.
@freedeanna oh my god! Are you for real?! Yes of course he needs money to keep the movement going? He answered your question directly in the interview. As for technology, YOU owe your well being and your life to technology! Technology moves us foward. The technology he is talking about is such that it would enhance all our lives whilst keeping the planet clean of pollution ect. Money was good 200 years ago. Today it is teh root of all evil. Its you who needs to wake up.
@delsol00000 I am not arguing that we should not have technology, but pointing to a logical flaw in his reasoning. As well as all the good things I appreciate, technology is what allowed us to wreck the planet, and he seems not even to notice that and blames money instead, having compared us with primitive peoples (who, as I said, had money, but limited technology). However, I accept that he needs money to publicise his message to give it up so we can all take the plunge together. My bad.
@freedeanna on your comment about money, you are the one misunderstanding what he is saying. The monetary system is a game. People who don't play starve, or are murdered in some fashion, or made homeless. What peter means is money itself is backed by nothing and has no real relation to anything, not even the econemy it claims to represent, as money is printed out of thin air - it has no real value - only in our consent. If not use a little money to get off the ground, should we just give up?
@MarioSavioTZM I've understood the nebulous nature of money for a long time, along with a lot of other things Peter thought he was waking everyone up to tell them. Money, he says, is just debt. Kinda right, typically negative. I like to say money is a promise, an agreement, and it's a major part of how we built our modern world that allows him to bitch about it. Sometimes we have to apologise and not deliver on our promise, and sometimes we or whole economies go bankrupt. But you can't just ...
@MarioSavioTZM ...decide that we'll have no money, even if you think it through, which he hasn't. People will find new ways to make promises. This is the history of communism. Let's all agree not to have money and property, which cause all the woes in the world like greed. And when someone raises the question "How will we avoid someone being mean anyway in the new world?" comes a range of answers: we'll educate them, they'll be naturally good when I free them, troops will stop them.
@freedeanna It's funny that you even address him like it was peter who put this video up, are you just trying to draw attention to yourself by calling someone who doesn't know you exist naive lol?
@Cesario82 c'mon, are you for real? stop being naive. i love cute cuddly, kittens. but you know what? they grow up to be cats. maybe you should grow up too
@ultrakool Ive just read some of your recent comments. Straight away its obvious you are religious, and consequently narrow minded. You are walking proof that religion teaches people to cast out those who do not follow your God. Its pathetic and i would happily bet my life that one day we will look back on the days when religion had humanity in chains and laugh at how primative we were. Do you believe the world is 10,000 years old? If yes that I need not say any more.
@delsol 00000 if you have surmised that i'm religious, then you'd be wrong. i have a relationship, with the living god. the living god of the open mind. the god whose name has caused atrocities at the hands of those who would exploit that holy name. man is fallen, yahweh is holy (extra-dimensional, self-existent, eternal). his son, yeshua, never dealt banishment or alienation to anyone who would accept him as supreme ruler of their lives. one day, every knee shall bow at his lordship. even yours
@delsol 00000 jesus christ is lord. as in any feudal system, there must be serfs. however, any feudal system that man has attempted, the serfs were nothing more than slaves to the lord of the manor. whereas, my lord has called me friend. i am a friend of god. i'm quite sure the religious, dogma, philosophy of evolution that you worship as "lord" doesn't have friendly motives. wake up
@ultrakool have you ever re-read your posts, you talk utter shit. first of all, i do not worship evolution. I simply admire it for it is. Jesus christ is not lord, he never even existed in the first place. Evolution doesn't have any friendly motives? what are u on about?! Evolution is not a philosophy, its a FACT. The bible is philosophical! Do you even know the definition?! You can defend your position as much as you want, as you've seemingly been trying to do with many people on this page.
@delsol00000 the fact of the matter is, you have no facts as ive said before, with no hard evidence you're argument is null and void. Arguing with religious mindsets is virtually impossible, just look at the amoutn of facts there are to suggets the world is billions of years old, hard evidence and then look at how many people are still religious. Religion puts people under lock and key, any outsiders (many scientists) who are constantly disproving religious texts, are treated with contempt.
@delsol00000 when it boils down to it, you owe your well being, your whole life to scientists, anything from the lights in your house to your microwave, to the pc your writing these posts on - your life is enhanced by technology that HUMANS have created. If you want to go back to living in a cave by candle light, and writting with ink and quill whilst worshiping rediculas theories on how the earth was created, be my quest. I'll take the scientific FACT based approach thanks.
@ultrakool why is it that SOME humans just like yourself always have to have something to worship?! Anything that demands people to kneel "to his lorship" (LOL) has a serious complex issue. Its rediculas. How about we all stop worshiping things on blind faith such as you, you have no HARD EVIDENCE of any of the utter shit you chat. The only thing that people should look to for answers is science and the rules of the universe. Stop playkidding yourself you absolute idiot.
@delsol00000 if you don't think that this universe has a supernatural element to it that transcends mets(matter, energy, time & space), then i'd say you are the idiot. a very useful idiot, who has bought into the lies and deception of a world system that would hold down the truth. the lies that have been concocted over the last 150 years were invented for gullible fools just like you
@ultrakool it's not about human dignity man it's about evaluating our actions and noticing and changing our behaviors cosmic accidents, maybe -we have choices, do we choose to emerge or to scrape? nihilism are u sure you understand "nihilism" i think "pj" isn't, and i don't want to classify him, i think that hes trying to invoke an approach to life where we truly live symbiotically, without snatching from one another, he clearly gives a fuck, therefor, not nihilist. wadr emileeseez@gmail.com
@emileeseez that's my point, pj doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to be a nihilist as his atheism would define him to be. but let's not kid each other, pj is a theist. his god is the god of this world and his religion is theosophy. he rails about the evils of free markets and religion, but pj is nothing more than a penny-ante marxist
@ultrakool: it's not about human dignity man it's about evaluating our actions and noticing and changing our behaviors cosmic accidents, maybe -we have choices, do we choose to emerge or to scrape? nihilism are u sure you understand "nihilism" i think "pj" isn't, and i don't want to classify him, i think that hes trying to invoke an approach to life where we truly live symbiotically, without snatching from one another, he clearly gives a fuck, therefor, not nihilist. wadr emileeseez@gmail.com
I have thought a lot about the very same things that Peter Joseph talks about here and I have actually came to almost all of the same conclusions as he has. He seems a hero.
This is a very "present" video. =p
tysonstuart13 4 days ago
Your video is a favorite on Cambodia
yronwyatt49b 1 month ago
0:10 hmm that: - And i expect that...but, you know whatever... seems like a lie, according to body language :D just a point,
P.S i'm not against Peter Joseph or something, i just noticed that small apart :p
PoiSon360 4 months ago
From your friends in Australia. We each need to start our own - for the lack of a better word, Political groups in each country of the world. And run for the control of government positions and take the world back from within, using their own platform of power. WE HAVE THE RIGHT AND THE ABILITY. If we all do it, it becomes safe. I'm not waiting till it’s safe, I and others like myself are starting now. Under A Resource Based Economy, we can set the world free. "SO SAY WE ALL".
Dinobot007DD 5 months ago
This is not an interview; it's a monologue.
tylthomas 5 months ago
@tylthomas its a very good monologue i must say :)
wolfclan13 5 months ago
@wolfclan13 Yes, indeed. I actually like this guy, although I think some of the things are put a little bit on the edge in his documentaries. But when I listen to him speak, it's simply amazing!
tylthomas 5 months ago
Guys there will be a zeitgeist 4. Peter joseph just spoke about it while giving a speech
last thursday see it at - nuvendigital.(deletethiswords)com/?page_id=474 - remember to share it afterwords. S orry i could not post the full address because of googles rules just delete the (... ) and past the adress on your adress Bar
bomvendedor 6 months ago
I totally agree with him. Religion is about the phylosophy it contains. Prophets and "other" objects are just characters in the story. How many religious people have studied other religions? If they did, they would find them all similar in their phylosophy. Stop whining about the unimportat things and start looking into what you so blindly believe in people!
saadman22 6 months ago
Why the hell would God bless America in the first place? Undoubtedly the most fucked up, indoctrinated society on the planet. He probably blesses Nepal if he was gonna bless anyone. hehe.
thedriftmc 6 months ago
If enough people got together they could create one giant farm that would produce so much food that food prices would reach zero. The whole economy would then collapse, and yet we would all have tons of food, so everything would be fine.
Just saying.
Lakopa8 7 months ago
The American version of Christianity is an abomination
2001Horatio 7 months ago 6
@2001Horatio Pre - tel what is the "American Version" of Christianity ?
ZoneTelevision 2 months ago
@ZoneTelevision You're kidding, right?
2001Horatio 2 months ago
@2001Horatio No I am not "kidding" .. what is the "American" version of Christianity (according to you).
ZoneTelevision 2 months ago
@ZoneTelevision See below
2001Horatio 2 months ago
@ZoneTelevision It’s the Christianity that’s all ‘about you’ – your personal relationship with “Jesus” – not New Testament Jesus mind you, but “American Jesus”. Not the one who uttered the beautiful and transcendent Sermon on the Mount but the one who is ‘on your side’ as you bomb brown and yellow people – the fuckwit you pray to before Football Games so he’ll be on your side then too!
2001Horatio 2 months ago
@2001Horatio He’s the ‘Jesus’ who really doesn’t believe in the sentiments of the Sermon on the Mount at all – what he really likes is the American Way – capitalism, greed, disdain for the poor and disadvantaged, imperialism, war .. you get the picture, or if you don’t get it by now then you haven’t seen Christianity in other countries.
2001Horatio 2 months ago
@2001Horatio Americans have taken the message of Jesus and aborted it – too un-American – (love your enemy!!! Fuck that!) – instead they substituted the sickening smugness of Evangelicals and their ‘personal relationship with Jesus’ who makes THEM FEEL good about THEMSELVES and their disgusting behaviour –
2001Horatio 2 months ago
@2001Horatio They turned a creed that was fundamentally about ‘others’ into one that was about selfishness – American Christianity is infected with Ayn Rand’s revolting ‘philosophy’ of the ‘individual’ (Selfishness, Smugness, Greed, War). If there IS a God – American Christians are seriously FUCKED
2001Horatio 2 months ago
@2001Horatio Obviously in reverse order!!!!
LOL
2001Horatio 2 months ago
@2001Horatio Oh ok... got it. I wouldn't say that is (American) Christianity... It is paganism that has been perverted into "Christianity" i.e. Catholic "Christianity".... they pray to pagan saints and they anthropomorphize God.
ZoneTelevision 2 months ago
@ZoneTelevision Whatever you say dude - but I lived there for over a decade and hardly ever met a Catholic - (so fuck that for a dumb theory - though I do recall how so called American Christians HATE Catholics and spew bullshit about them) And could ANYONE anthropomorphize God more than smug, smiley Christicunts who go on and on (and fucking on) about how Jesus is their friend and Personal Savior.... no. Look, ZoneTV person, we're not going to agree
2001Horatio 2 months ago
@2001Horatio You've lived where for ever a decade ? ..Obviously, we won't agree .. however First, its not a "theory" Secondly, you got your history and facts all mixed up. I study religious history so i have a somewhat unique perspective on the subject .. Most American (Born-agains , Pentecostals, fundamentalist "Christians" were brought up Catholics.. and then there are %23 that are American Catholics now have Approximately %50 of American "Christians" (are) or (were) Catholic.
ZoneTelevision 2 months ago
@2001Horatio ..The majority of Americans (60% to 76%) identify themselves as "Christians". That's Trivial info you can look up yourself. Then there is the question of Theology and Doctirine. Most "Christians" believe in the Trinitiarian (Nicene Creed) form of the Godhead. This is NOT and never was part of the Christian doctrine at its inception. There is no evidence of a Triune God in the Old or the New Testament.. save what a few of the Ante Nicene fathers inferred from the text.
ZoneTelevision 2 months ago
@2001Horatio > "AMerican Christians hate Catholics" < DO you speak for everyone here ? You are referencing the ealry 19th century migrations of Catholics to The States. DO you understand why the people Fled to America in the first place? The Puritans where trying to get out from under Roman rule of all the Christian Churches in Europe which had one foot in the Vatican. In fact the Catholic Church put people to death for reading the Bible.. so understand where part of the hatred comes from.
ZoneTelevision 2 months ago
@2001Horatio Christianity is an abomination by itself ;)
Sleepynator 1 month ago
@Sleepynator Mainly in the US where they have dreamed up "American Jesus" the Jew who is on your side in bombing raids and football games and gay hatred etc. Hating Jesus, in other words
2001Horatio 1 month ago
@2001Horatio I meant the concept of beliving in something that supposedly happend thousands of years ago and never again since then just because a book says so... That book could have been written as a novel by a twisted writer :D Beliving in yourself is the only thing one need to belive in.
Sleepynator 1 month ago
@Sleepynator I'm with you Sleepynator
2001Horatio 1 month ago
This guy is amazing. He is a living miracle
TheTrollgubbe 7 months ago
@TheTrollgubbe ...I agree. I don't agree with his views on religion but everything else is pie. And ultimately the movement he seems to be advocating is universal in scope and humanitarian. The people of this planet have been brutally abused by their governments and the predatory ruling class. This is a revolution of knowledge and of great awakening and it starts with understanding how all these global institutions work.
911insidejo8 6 months ago
i'me not religious, i maybe scientificly or spiritualy minded which are other words for thinking & i'me not really great at that so religion to me is as complicated as the science of economics or physics so i don't really have a rite to be atheist either so what choice do i have but to conform to society & work all hours to pay for my rent, water supply & energy bills? the term god bless america always got my goat too like america was god & to believe there is a god is just as arrogant!!!!!!
AUTubeN22 8 months ago
@AUTubeN22 ok believing in god is not being arrogant for for every body but to be a us president using the term god bless america so automaticaly and him actualy believing in god is more or less a sick lie rather than being arrogent!!
AUTubeN22 8 months ago
i laughed when i realized he was wearing straight up black. I bet he was mocking those who would accuse him of satanic relations
omgitsclassical 8 months ago
as a part of the Move all ready, I sincerely think that we need to have a special concern about the religious communities and those ones that have faith on God, whatever god it is, assuming it as very important learned issue for the preservation of their ontological state of lives, witch is a main part of the emotional disposition a a human organism, at this ending Era of Human Life.
Greetings to all of you folks from Uruguay, here in the South of the Americas!!
7ZORROGRIS 9 months ago
as a part of the Move all ready, I sincerely think that we need to have a special concern about the religious communities and those ones that have faith on God, whatever god it is, assuming it as very important adquiered issue in the preservation of their ontological state of lives, witch is a main part of the emocional disposition a a human organism, at this ending Era of Human Life.
Greetings to all of you folks from Uruguay, here in the South of the Americas!!
7ZORROGRIS 9 months ago
as a part of the Move all ready, I sincerely think that we need to have a special concern about the religious communities and those ones that have faith on God, whatever god it is, assuming it as very important adquired issue in the preservation of their ontological state of lifes, witch is a main part of the emocional disposition a a human organism at this ending Era of Human Life.
Greetings to all of you folks from Uruguay, here in the South of the Americas!!
7ZORROGRIS 9 months ago
@MillionthUsername i can only assume you believe in a "god" lolololol
harveywallbanger2232 9 months ago
I think this dudes ideas and insights may reverberate throughout future human history!
Perhaps if we(the human race)are lucky,something might be done about the heartbreaking state off affairs at present.
The only faith I myself have is in the scientific method as this can be applied to anything of real importance.(ranging from ethics to how one makes a good waffle.)
I'm intrigued as to what the solution might be to all of this(if it is not already too late.)
RandomVortex 9 months ago
I LOVE this guy He is a rare breed .........a man of integrity ! He gets attacked because he tells the truth AND ...the truth HURTS most
"The truth is still the truth , even in a minority of one "
(Euripedes )
ZEITGEISTism 9 months ago
You don't need religion to know right from wrong, or to be a good person.
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Very interesting what he says in 7:50 about religion. For the people who say that he is against the religions, in 8:00 he clearly is NOT against the religions but he explains how fanatism can be a problem and how always the religion has been used for keeping society under control, and relating it with politic and economic power ("god bless America" and "In god we trust").
carlosaledosanchez 10 months ago
Very interesting what he says in 7:50 about religion. For the people who say that he is against the religions, in 8:00 he clearly is NOT against the religions but he explains how fanatism can be a problem and how always the religion has been used for keeping society under control, and relating it with politic and economic power ("god bless America" and "In god we trust").
carlosaledosanchez 10 months ago
@carlosaledosanchez America sounds a little fanatical about religion when the president says things like we did that or we must do this to protect Americans & finishes the great speaches off with the good old "GOD BLESS AMERICA" routine as matter of factly as one would say "A DOG IS A MAN'S BEST FRIEND" I wonder how much people would see through his integrity if Obama said A DOG IS AMERICAS BEST FRIEND! we know how folk love their pets & how offended they would feel by such a notion!!!
AUTubeN22 8 months ago
I am totally psyched! - Pressing on. - I believe that if you really search for truth, you will think much like Peter Joseph. In addition to the Earth, Sun and Universe, I often reflect on what I know, or choose to believe, of Einstein, Jesus, Heisenberg, Buddha, Coyote - I choose to hedge my spiritual bets: If we can achieve global cooperation, we might honor the architect of intelligent design, if one exists. Regenerative Economics+Cooperative Problem Solving Experiments @ EnviroMonster,com
planetjordan 10 months ago
hes tired of philosophical dispositions, yet his stance on morality and epistimology is correlated to certain moral philosophies, that being of an existential or empirical spectrum. For him to say philosophy is merely a "verbal hobby" is a paradox on his part. I really like peter joseph, but he needs to be humble on how much he ACTUALLY knows.
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DaddySir47 10 months ago
I agree with everything Peter says, EXCEPT his disbelief in the existence of God. There is a huge difference between being religious and being spiritual. I too had the same issues he has with "religion." After a spiritual epiphany during a three day coma, I experienced God and much was revealed. God is an energy source, not a man or woman, but an energy source. I had the same issues with religion, and I do think. I don't just believe, I KNOW God exists. But that's beside the point.
TheBluesBabe 10 months ago
this guy was not hugged enough as a child...he is full of anger and fear...praying for him...
derBergpredigt 10 months ago
Well done, Charles!
kristofferdub 10 months ago
weed need to convert us currency to pot
freelikewewanttobe 10 months ago 21
RE: 5:11-5:30 Is an appeal to scientism, which is its own narrow-minded and highly dogmatic philosophy. You need to ask yourself which "scientific method" (?) Mr. Joseph is referring to. Because if he's referring to the methodology of Popper (a philosopher of science), then he's contradicting his own rejection of philosophy. If he's arguing to another more ambiguous definition of "the scientific method," then he's begging the question.
Paulomycin 11 months ago 2
he has a great point, he sells a t-shirt to help his efforts. look at all the bullshit charities that sell all kinds of crap only giving 25% to the actual cause. the opositions attack has back fired. It just proves how corrupt every other system. not the massive zeitgeist movement that is going to help free the west from the monetary system and into a new world of technology and advancement of the human race. peace among all that will only come from protest demonstration and revolution!
JokazINC 11 months ago
hes a brilliant guy and verbalizes everything ive ever thought
the society is insane
experts are the last ones to listen to
gerry5468 11 months ago
there is no shame in using a system you want to change to change it. If he has to make a few bucks or a lot of bucks using the economic system to change it, it makes a lot of sense. Only idiots try to put up a smokescreen of "crying hypocrisy" as some flimsy defense of their own ideology.
mrrealtime 11 months ago
everything he says is so full of logic...how can you possibly disagree his whole thought process is the same as mine
third3ye462 11 months ago
why did he have to say "irregardless" ?! that's not a word!
He's brilliant all the same!
wesdebaltz 11 months ago
We are doomed! Thus guy does everything humans and religions have always done: He separates himself and his movement from the rest of society and says :we are better than you'. Which is exactly what religion does, and which is why we have so many wars and battles between our own kind. This guy is trying to get enough people to believe like he does so that we can attack each other. He has already started the attacks in his films. What is wrong with this world?!!!
killmoreturtles 1 year ago
@killmoreturtles Speak for your self -- You might be doomed.
prayfortruejustice 1 year ago
@killmoreturtles He is simply opening your eyes , all you have to do is look ! He does not say he is better than you.....didn't ask to be your leader or president or God , he's saying change the way you look at this world , and we can all change this fucked up system
costasp2382 1 year ago
@killmoreturtles not at all. the world is in bad shape but at least PJ nd his Zmovment are doing something different outside the existing reality. thats the issue. you speak of its likenesses to other conflicting things, but those are worked(attempted) within the existing reality. change the model like PEter and Jacques...and Ido.
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DaddySir47 10 months ago
Wow, he seriously needs to get educated when it comes to philosophy. He's clearly some sort of empiricist, but wouldn't know it. How can he not consider general philosophy or notions of morality important, and he has some weird understanding of the "scientific method." I think he's confusing it with straight-forward rationality. He needs to stay away from that philosophical stuff, or get educated on it, and stick to the rest of the stuff he has some real understanding of.
oihhow 1 year ago
@oihhow I was just away to post a similar comment! Without philosophy how can he even establish whether there is such a thing as "the natural order of things"? It's not a "verbal hobby," we use philosophy in our everyday lives just as much as we use science. And if he's read Foucault, he might stop to ponder what will replace the present social order if people are broken out of this alleged "mental programming."
StuballScramble 1 year ago
I don't like what he says about religion. I'm not religious I used to be and I think it's impossible to put into practice. Lets just stick with what we have on earth and try not to run over each other in an increasingly populated world.
CFrostyTheSnowman 1 year ago
I wish i was strong enough to be like you Peter
skyfaze 1 year ago
@skyfaze you are as strong as him if you simply chose so!
Nafers 1 year ago
You are hope Peter, much more than Jesus ever was. I´m with you working from Sweden
Goodalfred2 1 year ago 2
I think zeitgeist is a pretty cool guy. he makes a bunch of movies and doesn't afraid of anything.
grindstone1 1 year ago
so I have noticed some things that have happened in my life since coming across the Zeitgeist trilogy. 1.) I have never had my tax returns questioned 2.) I have had two tax returns since 2008 questioned by the IRS. My family is divided, one half has seen the Zeitgeist movies and have moved in to the realm of enlightenment and the other half thinks I am the Devil. YAY
CatGaladriel 1 year ago
lol when he said we're all scientists it made alot of people feel smarter
tool4lyfe2 1 year ago
I love how he says "we have to survive [with money] to do something."
Wrong wording? A case of foot-in-the-mouth? lol
Our society is f'ed by the current monetary system, yes, I agree, but there has always been some form of compensation in our society. Early humans 'worked' together, dividing up the labor, and the compensation was security and more food - time was currency.
Our society has to grow from our roots, of early humans, by using the knowledge we have today to move forward.
justnaesman 1 year ago
@justnaesman I agree man, In these films its like: 'society should do this', or' we should do that' . First, their is no ' we' bigger than your close family. Second, somebody has to decide what should be done. What is the best? For who is it' the best' or the most effective or efficient. Even if all humans wouldn't work and got everything for free, who/what is going to decide if a new city should be build? I do like zeitgeist and the movement, but somethings are not clear to me :P.
GaminHasard 1 year ago
@GaminHasard some things are not clear to you mainly because you're waiting to be spoon fed the next thought. think more, you can find the solutions. Make up ones that work for you and your local "we". Why wait there playing helpless and making the solution someone elses job? The main thing feeding these societal problems is the individual not answering questions for themselves but taking the answers handed down to them by whatever illusion of authority we can find.
phatboy11388 1 year ago
@phatboy11388 haha what are you talking about? :P Why do you think i ask these questions , i dont believe that the venus project will work, or other stuff that these zeitgeist film present. I'm maby wrong because some things aren't clear to me thats why i ask the question not because i'm a baby waiting to be spoon fed :D thats ridiculous.
GaminHasard 1 year ago
BLOWING MINDS
natritious1 1 year ago
6:34 this makes no fucking sense
demonhuntervo 1 year ago
If the planet didn't want us to destroy it then it wouldn't of given us the ability. We are not separate from it but "it" itself and morally no different then a volcano or an earthquake. Whether we fail or succeed means nothing in comparison to our sun at supernova. It will happen and hopefully we will have spent every "dollar" getting our asses out of the solar system. There is no perversion in our world...just our world... what actually looks out of balance is actually in balance...
kamanchi7 1 year ago
@kamanchi7 what are u talking about mate...cancer kills a human being a disease that is created within ..so does that mean we are killing ourselves because we want too...u are either completely thick or seriously mislead...or i seriously misunderstood and if so im sorry but its sound like your waffling mate
DjFree08 1 year ago
@DjFree08 I have to be a devils advocate towards Peter Joseph on the what could be seen as humans creating a world out of balance through greed and capitalistic mechanics. The longer lifespan is the major source of disease in humans and through our inventiveness we will leave this planet for somewhere else before then end of our earth. Our changing of the planet is morally no different then a natural disaster of the scale of a meteor strike because we are a natural process of the planet.
kamanchi7 1 year ago
Your a good man Joe, This movement will grow, either quickly or slowly. it is part of our future. there will be greater understandings along the way but this time will always be noted in history.
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dharmastipulate 1 year ago
can i please have a script of this entire interview?
msenlightened 1 year ago
As a person born in a catholic family and is tought in a catholic school. i love your ideas.
josefu0 1 year ago
your a realised soul
chetdog 1 year ago
offering free download as well as DVD order, to me is having choice.
you put something forward and people build an identity for you around it and then when you diverge from what they expect you to do, you are being unauthentic.
authenticity though is not acting according to what others expect (or what you think people expect from you) but being through to your own self.
"Peter Joseph" should put an extra option: if you are not glad that I offer DVDs for 5$ then you can buy them at 20$
philinmotion 1 year ago
How many times is history going to repeat itself.. How many people in history were ridiculed and laughed at for trying to help humanity . Only later to find out they were the enlightened ones of their time.. Dont follow this man .. Follow his IDEA .. The IDEA that we need start thinking for ourselves
XxExoNine 1 year ago
most people believe in god because someone else believes in him...no one on this planet has ever met an all powerful, all knowing entity that said "i am god, believe in me"...no, they simply believe in god or go to church because that's the program...
Colt2571 1 year ago
@Colt2571 Im not religious, but depending on one's definition of God, i very well might be able to say that indeed i believe in God. but again, it totally depends on definition. Your definition of god is quite stupid...
if you think that is what every religious person believes, than i think you have a pretty narrow view in life.
you are selling people short, not all people are mindless little lemmings with no mind of their own.
being Athiest is also a program.
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@triplesquarednine i didn't define god in my post, i said people follow a "god" because that is what they've been programmed with. you cannot know something without it being communicated to you (language, etc). if you were born in a cave and never met anyone else, you wouldn't know anything about "god", which proves religion is 100% manipulation by definition. most religious people do no investigate religion, which is stupid....they blindly follow something though know almost nothing about.
Colt2571 1 year ago
@Colt2571 actually, you did define god. You first referred to God as a male, and then as this all powerful and all knowing entity.
Which to me sounds like a Christian reference.
Long before organized religion, people had beliefs in things like god.
Probably dating back to living in caves. One could also speculate that it is indeed possible to be sitting in a cave by one's self, pondering existence, possibly constructing/imagining the idea of god.
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@triplesquarednine God is the English name given to a singular being in theistic and deistic religions (and other belief systems). the term GOD as in the name, is a religious creation.
Colt2571 1 year ago
@Colt2571 thanks for quoting wikipedia ;) I am well-aware of this, also
the ethymology and the rest of it. The name god rooted in germanic, the new-testament translation, etc. I've studied all of this...
But the name and idea can mean very different things to different
people, religious or otherwise.
your reasoning about 100% manipulation, is not a sound argument, not at all. (although i do agree religion is often used to manipulate people)
the origin doesn't matter
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@triplesquarednine i wasnt trying to hide the wikipedia quote, that's why i typed it. any idiot can look it up. i was making a point about the term God. you originally said my definition of god is "quite stupid"...it is not MY definition as i didn't originate the word and it's connotation. it's like calling someone stupid for saying a plant is green.
Colt2571 1 year ago
@Colt2571 the concept of God (as in what you wrote 1st) is stupid, dated, and lets face it. if there is in fact "god", it would be so far beyond our understanding, things like male/female/entity/being wouldn't even describe something soooo beyond our understanding, even our imagination.
also the planet is NOT green, so that is a very stupid analogy! Any picture from space will clearly show you we inhabit a blue planet...
(as it is mostly covered in water, not earth and trees)
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@triplesquarednine apparently you can't read, i said PLANT, not planet. and again, it's not my definition.
Colt2571 1 year ago
@Colt2571 my bad on the plant thing. sorry. However, your first comment was NOT referring to the definition of the word "god". You CLEARLY were talking about the idea/concept. there is a difference, and if you read closely there was no point to begin with, in quoting wikipedia, as i had already pointed out the masculine/christian reference of god. now your just side-stepping with the definition on wikipedia, which is just one definition.
either way your argument was bogus..
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@triplesquarednine whatever, i wasn't side stepping i was making a point.
Colt2571 1 year ago
also, that IS YOUR definition of God, because that is what YOU PERCEIVE God to mean/be - in YOUR OWN MIND... regardless of what you are spoon-fed in wikipedia.
The idea of God isn't exclusive to religion (nor thought up by religion), as religion means more of a public display of beliefs/organized group. God is just the english word for a very old belief...
Religion probably wouldn't exist without god, but god can certainly
exist without religion.
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@triplesquarednine "God is just the english word for a very old belief" a BELIEF created by others, which counts as religion. a man born in a cave having no contact with anyone would not know anything about "god"...its a creation to feed the hierarchical system of the elite to enslave others and make them feel weak. if man didn't invent god would the concept exist? you only know about "god" because someone else told you. therefore it is just another "program" im playing devils advocate here.
Colt2571 1 year ago
@Colt2571 Belief and religion ARE NOT THE SAME THING, go look it up!
it does not count as religion.
You thinking an isolated person would have no concept of god, doesn't make that true, or even at all provable. furthermore, i'm pretty sure the concept of god goes back WAY further than the elite....and happened all over the planet, in separate/isolated corners.
if anything the elite, took over the concept and used organized religion for their goals.
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@triplesquarednine doesn't matter, you are still under someone else's belief. you can try and pass it off as your own all you like.
Colt2571 1 year ago
@Colt2571 by your own logic, EVERYONE IS!!! including YOU!
knowledge and beliefs are handed down and/or learned, that is how it works.
i never said anything, nor presented myself as some person who came up with my whole system of beliefs or knowledge myself. or as someone trying to pass it off as my own. I don't follow any particular faith,
but RESPECT ALL!
being Athiest, religous or whatever, YOU ARE ALSO UNDER SOMEONE's BELIEF...
straight up, who are you trying to kid???
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@triplesquarednine thanks for agreeing with me
Colt2571 1 year ago
if man didn't invent god, would the concept exist?
that would depend on the existence of god....obviously no concept would exist, if we didn't invent it. would gravity not exist, if it wasn't conceived???
I disagree that we only know what we are told. you've never had intuition??? or a feeling about a situation/or something before, that ended up being accurate????
as in u knew internally, before disclosure and im not talking about god here, just in general...
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@triplesquarednine "would gravity not exist, if it wasn't conceived???" --- it doesn't need to be conceived because it's a natural law. god is not a natural law, it is a belief.
Colt2571 1 year ago
@Colt2571 i was running out of letters, i should have written that a little differently:
"would gravity not exist, if it's concept was not conceived by man?"
(of course gravity would)
one could easily argue that god IS nature and therefore all Natural Law stems from directly from that. it's a belief, yes...
but just look at quantum physics, so much isn't provable at all.
hell we don't even have a uniform theory that works across the board
and includes relativity.
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
...much of it, is built on what we think and believe, not on hard scientific
facts. Hence why they are theories. That's no dis-to-science (science happens to be a passion of mine).
We as people have alot of beliefs, because lets face it, we a nothing more than a speck in the universe, and therefore can't even grasp 1% of what's happening around us.
the complexity of life, our scientific understanding, etc. just shows me there is a god (although my definition isn't wikipedia's)
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
@Colt2571 Lots of religious people investigate religion. I can think of countless people in my own life, where this would ring true.
Not all religious people are stupid, nor are all athiest's intellegent and critical thinking people.
Religion isn't 100% manipulation, although i do agree people can be manipulated through religion. But those people could be manipulated just as easily without religion..
I think it is best to not be so judging of others, and put them all into a box
triplesquarednine 1 year ago
Frickin genius man, frickin genius!!!
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago 13
@transfoby Whatever asshole. I assume you listen to Alex Jones religiously. Talk about propaganda and fear mongering.
HarveyRex23 1 year ago
thanks for inspiring anger ,
slammin930 1 year ago
It's so great to witness brilliance !
rolynstone48 1 year ago
Wait a minute, you said you hate the world of advertising, you hate the world of marketing, but wait it's all for YOUR movement so now what you hate is alright? Yeah that makes perfect sense.
Blueberry40 1 year ago
a smart guy right here.need no school for that,it's a pasion,a chalange,genetic thing.
RampageXAQTR 1 year ago
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belipo 1 year ago
his a new profeta
lenovo078 1 year ago
THINK!
It's not illegal, yet.
QuantumAnomaly 1 year ago 90
@QuantumAnomaly Wow. I really like this. Remember the "thought police" in 1984?
treetray100 1 year ago
@QuantumAnomaly Actually it is! They have pre crime indefinite laws now where you can be imprisoned for eternity!
CONSTRINGACY 1 year ago
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as a part of the Move all ready, I sincerely think that we need to have a special concern about the religious communities and those ones that have faith on God, whatever god it is, assuming it as very important learned issue for the preservation of their ontological state of lives, witch is a main part of the emotional disposition a a human organism, at this ending Era of Human Life.
Greetings to all of you folks from Uruguay, here in the South of the Americas!!
7ZORROGRIS 9 months ago
i love when he gets into religion<3
erikAsuxxxweewee 1 year ago
Like Freedeana I'm an atheist. After watching part 1 of Zeitgeist , I batch-emailed a link to it to quite a few friends. I really had a cringe moment after watching pt.s 2 and 3. And of course, even there many obfuscations of the facts occur. I thought it a shame as a more accurate pt. 1 as a stand alone-Zeitgeist Prologue?-video it could be quite effective. As is, it's all presentation using low-grade, conflated research. It's mostly quite irrelevant to the complex realities confronting us.
RecursiveProphet 1 year ago
@RecursiveProphet what is irrelevant in his movie????
thelion2430 1 year ago
@thelion2430 In truth, all of it.. It's arguing about the cause of an overflowing toilet on the Titanic. The world economy has actually been a Ponzi scheme since 1913, and is in the process of imploding. In contrast to this larger reality, Zeitgeist is just another celebration of the trivial.
RecursiveProphet 1 year ago
@RecursiveProphet i see just a claim what hase no basis...and to say that all in the movie is irrelevant shows your ignorance.....
you should see Peter josephs lectures...and i dont realy see what problems you have...i know many teachers who see the logic and necessity of this system because our money world destroys the planet with this buy and consume ideology
thelion2430 1 year ago
@RecursiveProphet Please say you're kidding.
" It's mostly quite irrelevant to the complex realities confronting us."
Irrelevant? It has everything to do with the realities confonting us.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
@blaziermissy
Read up on "fractional-reserve banking" and then tell me how relevant PJ's crap is. Part 1 is full of errors and 2-3 are on the order of the birthers. Try not paying your taxes if you really think-as he claims-there's no law saying you have to.
RecursiveProphet 1 year ago
@RecursiveProphet Read it quiet extensively already.
And to say that just because you get penalties, etc for not paying your taxes doesn't not negate the fact that there isn't a valid law requiring that you pay. You're missing the point.
There needn't be a law...our dumbasses will pay it anyway and if we don't we have party line divides where citizenry will marginalize you too for not paying them.
Stupidity works wonders. See Nazi Germany.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
@RecursiveProphet It's just like the G20 where the cops were hitting some people unprovoked (many of them peaceful) and the majority of citizenry calling them scumbags and trash too, marginalizing them for dissenting in any form.
Again, divided people. It works quite well. The people fight among the people, and the elite do as they please.
blaziermissy 1 year ago
@RecursiveProphet Ya got no clue kid, go back to school. There is no law that states that you indefinately have to pay taxes. His "crap" is actually starting to wake a few people up that actually have a brain. I suggest that you do a bit more research before hand.
myst93 1 year ago 2
Empathize with those of us stuck in dogma... Peter's clarity can be validating and liberating it we let go of the belief/fear of a potentially damning god. If there is an all powerful god who loves all souls even half as much as we love our children, could there ever really be a soul left behind?
MarSkai 1 year ago
only religious people seem to attack peter. even though he's trying to explain they are in their own psychosis the ramble on and are convinced that they are right about everything.
religious people are the number one most stuborn... faction of us the people. REFUSING to see things differently.
soytjuh 1 year ago
@soytjuh Well now you've found your first exception. Maybe I should start Atheists Against Zeitgeist. He can explain to me that I'm in my own psychosis, but if he's talking shit I'll point it out. My main problem with him is that he's convinced he's right about everything (including my psychosis). I espouse tolerance of cultural difference (with some exceptions), and feel that it's not helpful to demonize groups such as 'the religious'. Zeitgeist alienates most of the planet trying to unite it.
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna have you seen Iran lately - does it look united to you? the United States? Another religious country? The Zeitgeist film challenged religion, sure...and that reflects Peter's, and most of the members view: That from a scientific perspective, there is no reason to believe in any of it, and certainly no way it is morally sound to ignore the subject and never question it. 'We' do not advocate the destrution or oppression of any religion - we are pretty sure it will fade away by iself.
MarioSavioTZM 1 year ago
@MarioSavioTZM If we focus too much on unity, on uniting through arguing about who's right and sane, we might not be taking the most useful stance (i.e. not sane or right). If we require everybody to accept your view, we might as well wait for Jesus. Ain't gonna happen. If you're confident religion will fade away by itself, why bother challenging it and risk alienating people? Have you heard of Unity in Diversity? Now there's a great movement! (...although it's not for everybody, tee hee).
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna I think you've misunderstood me. I spend next to no time attacking religion, I agree with you that it is pointless. Many of us are frustrated by the first film, but maybe it was a good thing to mention the elephant in the room? I haven't said anywhere everyone should accept our view...you're really confusing me..I am just making the point that religion itself perpetuates much of the division we see. Unity in diversity? Yes that's totally possible..and yes I've heard of it..
MarioSavioTZM 1 year ago
@MarioSavioTZM You say "I spend next to no time attacking religion", and continue "religion itself perpetuates much of the division we see." Do you see why I might be misunderstanding you? You perpetuate division. You did it just then. I perpetuate division. I'm doing it right now. Why not say "Science itself perpetuates division"? Is there anything wrong with the statement? Is it untrue?
"...Unity in diversity? Yes that's totally possible..and yes I've heard of it" Good.
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna using one example, from the first time you have ever engaged me in conversation - when the topic IS RELIGION - you then suggest I criticize it frequently - with no way to prove it. How irrational can you be? Your attitude is hostile and aggressive, yes, you are perpetuating division here and seeing things that aren't there. Of course science generates division in an age of pervasive irrational thought - people are going to be upset. But should if we should unify behind anything...
MarioSavioTZM 1 year ago
@MarioSavioTZM OK Mario, I'll stop my hostility and agression and perpetuating of division and seeing things that aren't there. There, we're in "Unity" now.
freedeanna 1 year ago
Let me get this right, Peter? You say that MONEY is IRRELEVANT TO ANYTHING GOING ON IN THE REAL WORLD, and then you have to apologise for needing some cash to put into projects. You say that things went out of whack when we learned to control the planet, so why advocate a technological future instead of a machine-free one. Further, during that time of pre-industrual harmony, humans USED MONEY! Think it through again dude. You're probably well-meaning, but you're naive. Wake up.
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna oh my god! Are you for real?! Yes of course he needs money to keep the movement going? He answered your question directly in the interview. As for technology, YOU owe your well being and your life to technology! Technology moves us foward. The technology he is talking about is such that it would enhance all our lives whilst keeping the planet clean of pollution ect. Money was good 200 years ago. Today it is teh root of all evil. Its you who needs to wake up.
delsol00000 1 year ago
@delsol00000 I am not arguing that we should not have technology, but pointing to a logical flaw in his reasoning. As well as all the good things I appreciate, technology is what allowed us to wreck the planet, and he seems not even to notice that and blames money instead, having compared us with primitive peoples (who, as I said, had money, but limited technology). However, I accept that he needs money to publicise his message to give it up so we can all take the plunge together. My bad.
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna on your comment about money, you are the one misunderstanding what he is saying. The monetary system is a game. People who don't play starve, or are murdered in some fashion, or made homeless. What peter means is money itself is backed by nothing and has no real relation to anything, not even the econemy it claims to represent, as money is printed out of thin air - it has no real value - only in our consent. If not use a little money to get off the ground, should we just give up?
MarioSavioTZM 1 year ago
@MarioSavioTZM I've understood the nebulous nature of money for a long time, along with a lot of other things Peter thought he was waking everyone up to tell them. Money, he says, is just debt. Kinda right, typically negative. I like to say money is a promise, an agreement, and it's a major part of how we built our modern world that allows him to bitch about it. Sometimes we have to apologise and not deliver on our promise, and sometimes we or whole economies go bankrupt. But you can't just ...
freedeanna 1 year ago
@MarioSavioTZM ...decide that we'll have no money, even if you think it through, which he hasn't. People will find new ways to make promises. This is the history of communism. Let's all agree not to have money and property, which cause all the woes in the world like greed. And when someone raises the question "How will we avoid someone being mean anyway in the new world?" comes a range of answers: we'll educate them, they'll be naturally good when I free them, troops will stop them.
freedeanna 1 year ago
@freedeanna It's funny that you even address him like it was peter who put this video up, are you just trying to draw attention to yourself by calling someone who doesn't know you exist naive lol?
wigglezwow 1 year ago
@Cesario82 c'mon, are you for real? stop being naive. i love cute cuddly, kittens. but you know what? they grow up to be cats. maybe you should grow up too
ultrakool 1 year ago
@ultrakool Ive just read some of your recent comments. Straight away its obvious you are religious, and consequently narrow minded. You are walking proof that religion teaches people to cast out those who do not follow your God. Its pathetic and i would happily bet my life that one day we will look back on the days when religion had humanity in chains and laugh at how primative we were. Do you believe the world is 10,000 years old? If yes that I need not say any more.
delsol00000 1 year ago
@delsol 00000 if you have surmised that i'm religious, then you'd be wrong. i have a relationship, with the living god. the living god of the open mind. the god whose name has caused atrocities at the hands of those who would exploit that holy name. man is fallen, yahweh is holy (extra-dimensional, self-existent, eternal). his son, yeshua, never dealt banishment or alienation to anyone who would accept him as supreme ruler of their lives. one day, every knee shall bow at his lordship. even yours
ultrakool 1 year ago
@ultrakool oh.my.god. is all i can say
delsol00000 1 year ago
@delsol 00000 jesus christ is lord. as in any feudal system, there must be serfs. however, any feudal system that man has attempted, the serfs were nothing more than slaves to the lord of the manor. whereas, my lord has called me friend. i am a friend of god. i'm quite sure the religious, dogma, philosophy of evolution that you worship as "lord" doesn't have friendly motives. wake up
ultrakool 1 year ago
@ultrakool have you ever re-read your posts, you talk utter shit. first of all, i do not worship evolution. I simply admire it for it is. Jesus christ is not lord, he never even existed in the first place. Evolution doesn't have any friendly motives? what are u on about?! Evolution is not a philosophy, its a FACT. The bible is philosophical! Do you even know the definition?! You can defend your position as much as you want, as you've seemingly been trying to do with many people on this page.
delsol00000 1 year ago
@delsol00000 the fact of the matter is, you have no facts as ive said before, with no hard evidence you're argument is null and void. Arguing with religious mindsets is virtually impossible, just look at the amoutn of facts there are to suggets the world is billions of years old, hard evidence and then look at how many people are still religious. Religion puts people under lock and key, any outsiders (many scientists) who are constantly disproving religious texts, are treated with contempt.
delsol00000 1 year ago
@delsol00000 when it boils down to it, you owe your well being, your whole life to scientists, anything from the lights in your house to your microwave, to the pc your writing these posts on - your life is enhanced by technology that HUMANS have created. If you want to go back to living in a cave by candle light, and writting with ink and quill whilst worshiping rediculas theories on how the earth was created, be my quest. I'll take the scientific FACT based approach thanks.
delsol00000 1 year ago
@ultrakool why is it that SOME humans just like yourself always have to have something to worship?! Anything that demands people to kneel "to his lorship" (LOL) has a serious complex issue. Its rediculas. How about we all stop worshiping things on blind faith such as you, you have no HARD EVIDENCE of any of the utter shit you chat. The only thing that people should look to for answers is science and the rules of the universe. Stop playkidding yourself you absolute idiot.
delsol00000 1 year ago
@delsol00000 if you don't think that this universe has a supernatural element to it that transcends mets(matter, energy, time & space), then i'd say you are the idiot. a very useful idiot, who has bought into the lies and deception of a world system that would hold down the truth. the lies that have been concocted over the last 150 years were invented for gullible fools just like you
ultrakool 1 year ago
@Cesario82 well said! I hope we can grow out of religion, just as a baby out-grows a dummy.
delsol00000 1 year ago
emileeseez 1 year ago 8
@emileeseez that's my point, pj doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to be a nihilist as his atheism would define him to be. but let's not kid each other, pj is a theist. his god is the god of this world and his religion is theosophy. he rails about the evils of free markets and religion, but pj is nothing more than a penny-ante marxist
ultrakool 1 year ago
I'm a nihilist.
kermitcintronsucks 1 year ago
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emileeseez 1 year ago
Peter really is intelligent. And handsome....hmm.... and im straight. Change the course of history.... "Apocalypse Please" by Muse
Have you guys viewed the interview of peter and alex [Jones] , held on 10/16/08 ?
Any comment?
Linta1983 1 year ago
I have thought a lot about the very same things that Peter Joseph talks about here and I have actually came to almost all of the same conclusions as he has. He seems a hero.
SurrealityX 1 year ago
disembalance?
14mm2 1 year ago
Regardless!!! irregardless? without without regard?
ILLhumanati 1 year ago