4:25 - End : this is very reminiscent of 1 Corinthians 13, especially verse 12. I wonder if he intended that. For anyone having been through school it is hard to imagine that he himself would not have meant it as a take on that passage.
1:42 Methinks this is a classical straw man argument perhaps describing his own past misconceptions, but then 2:28 - 3:09 is totally traditional, those in fact ARE the traditional descriptions. Mahamudra realization, for instance, is officially even called "ordinary mind", quippingly so, but it is.
Traditions' mistakes must be criticized, but one shouldn't accuse traditions of the accuser's lack of education about what they actually say.
Incidentally for the same reason I just mentioned, vast emptiness in the buddhist sense is no contradiction at all to personal god - much to the dismay of the buddhists. The Christian idea of the Divine Person does not mean it is self-referencing ignorance, it just means that (Divine) Life can display personal features to those who are still in ignorance. With Paul Tillich it says that God is not a person but not less than a person.
The term "person" does not imply separateness at all. Learn.
0.43 - 0:55 Although we know what he means, this is self-contradictory. Most such non-dualists and the buddhists in particular do not know the meaning of the word "person". While "there is no one" in the sense of a separate, self-referencing core, the awakening to that does not destroy a person. Parsons is still functioning, so mere person as part of aliveness is no contradiction to awakening. So of course, if there is no ignorance functioning in a person, it makes sense to say "s/he is enlig.".
So far I watch satsang on Youtube and wonder what it would be like to be there in person. But here it's weird seeing Tony on Youtube when I've seen him a few times in person, he was my introduction to advaita and still a follower after 12 years.
oqenrbgvnjbn2erjbk2jkjer2n Enlightenment is the clear seeing of reality as it is,enlightenment is the ONLY REALITY,The here and Now is enlightened forever within you now.
exactly if everything is one, you can take anything, pain and no pain is the same, paedophiles are also one with the children they abuse and instead of Obama we have hitler, no problem, shall I go on?
where is the study which says no such thing of anyone ever becoming enlightened,has he asked all human beings? He hasnt seen the one who is enlightened, also oneness is an illusionary concept, within the oneness we experience ourselves as individuals. I have a good idea, If everything is always one, give me your money, if everything is truly one, it doesn't matter if you don't have it any more, so give it to me,no? yes?you want my paypal email now? failing that make a video of you eating stool
All this arguing is ridiculous. As soon as one uses language you have a subject/object "relationship" which will invariably introduce endless profound paradoxes when speaking about spirituality/One-ness. Is that so difficult to see? No speak, No problem.
Au contraire, devarsi is the only intelligent contributor to this discussion. I see no coherent argument justifying Parson's vague solipsistic moonshine from "the advanced" among us.
Who does he have to be? Call it what you like- 'the Parson's train', Advaita, Buddha-Dharma. It's the teaching of the awakened and damion's comment demonstrates understanding.
Why be so critical of yourself? It's okay for you to be on an intellectual superiority trip and cop out about being honest with yourself. Who cares? Mommy and Daddy love you.
its amazing how elusive this is. there is no nisargadatta, there is no nisargadatta state. these are all dreams based entirely on the erroneous assumption of an individualized "me". the future never arrives, because it is an imaginary concept, but even further still if it did arrive, there would be noone there to claim it.
its all genuine experience. the question is, WHO`S experience is it? whether one can jump on the parsons train, or one rejects it, its STILL an idea of an individualized "me" that chooses to do so. what if there is a cessation of a need to be part of either team?
no, people handle criticism. more then handle it, they feed on the premise of confrontation. you`ll not find what you think you`re looking for in bating OR biting.
right. it is possible to become enlightened and yet carry on suffering and judging everything as before. it is actually a much longer journey to incorporate the lesson of awakening into everyday life.
Another feature of New Age babble is the stringing together of empty subjective phrases, devoid of any meaning without precise definition. Take a thousand people and each will understand "mind", "Oneness", "being", etc, etc, in a completely different way. Use your brains people, and see through this garbage!
the trouble with non-duality is that it cannot be expressed in words. this is because it is by its very nature absolute and language is necessarily relative. any attempt to explain the The Unexplainable, therefore, will usually sound very confusing and irrational. it is therefore important to investigate for yourself, subjectively, not with your intellect but simply with your consciousness; to experience non-duality for yourself.
The measurement problem in quantum mechanics is merely one of countless empirical counter weights to Parsons' juvenile and baseless mystifications. Without acceptance of conscious agency, there is no moral responsibility and without moral responsibility there is a straight road to the concentration camp.
hey son, "moral responsibility" is just an idea in your head. if those things are let go, so to speak, the question is "what remains?" a concentration camp is just the product of an asshole trying to think his way to a better world. your supposed hitler was all about a fictional "moral responsibility".
"What remains" is the entire edifice of both esoteric tradition and social structure, even for an atheist. While I agree with Parsons that "things happen", he is wrong to deny agency. Conscience must discriminate between right and wrong actions, otherwise any evil can be justified, and this is the problem with non-dualism.
it is bizzare that you would bring up Hitler, because he was very ego-centric. if he had an experience of awakening, he would see that there is no distinction between him and the Jews, hence non-duality. Hitler is the Jews! And so,to get rid of the Jews would be to get rid of a part of himself.
Man is not one, he is many. Each thought, feeling and sensation says "I". Man's name is Legion. Without friction between "yes" and "no", a man can never see himself; that he is a slave to habit. To be a real man and not a machine, a man must BE ABLE to DO according to conscience, which in turn requires suffering. This is the holy message of the great traditions.
So, the World is fiction? What self-centered nihilism. I pity you. Parsons is manufacturing lunatics. Yet another New Age flake and a dangerous one at that.
So, you admit concentration camps exist?? If you took Parsons facile solipsism to its logical conclusion, everything, including Parsons, is a figment of your mind. So why bother to post? And why does Parsons (also part of you) bother to teach non-existent others...?
i can`t admit that "i" as a person exist. people that suffer in whatever circumstance are exactly as "real" as i am. the question is, how real is THAT? you`re funny. open awareness never had an agenda that was "dangerous." you`re not threatened by advaita, your ego is, friend. that`s why you can`t leave this alone.
dude, you have missed the point entirely. non-duality is absolutely not solipsism! solipsism is the belief that my ego is the center of the world and everything else is imagination. non-duality is the realisation that there is no center! I am everything (and so are you). Your thoughts are just as real as mine, even though i can't experience them. one no longer identifies with the ego and instead identifies with all of existence (and non-existence).
this does not take away all moral responsibility, in fact it gives one a basis for morality which is incredibly simple! wrong actions are those that harm myself or others. I am you! so to harm you is to harm myself. you see?
aha, with other words if you fall over, everyone else should as well. If u r him then u r me as well yes? I am u and u are me, so give me your money, we r both the same....we are one, or drink some diesel, it will taste nice, their is no difference between that & apple juice. Great stuff I am so delighted that I am you and u r me & iam also him & her and anyone else i suppose. NOT!
How can you possible be everything, if you are localised within this body? u may be part of everything, but u r still individual. The trick is to realize that everything is inconceivably and simultaneously one and different in the same time. we r part & parcel of God, the same in quality the same and minute in power and quantity.
Most live in a completely imaginary world.When you look at things without their stories --and you are one of those stories--then what?Might be fun to see.
Love it: "(as individuals) we look with the eyes of a business man: trying to get what is seen or to protect ourselves from that which is seen".
luzyananda 5 months ago 4
This is rich medicine.
apgwilym 11 months ago
Lets hope that someone subtitles Tony's videos into Spanish and into German. His message is too important to be keep just in English.
acuaman42 11 months ago
This is a highest gospel in the world being preached here in this video!
GeorgeGogle 1 year ago
light another joint
voltronforce5000 1 year ago
How liberating!!!!!!!!
GeorgeGogle 1 year ago
4:25 - End : this is very reminiscent of 1 Corinthians 13, especially verse 12. I wonder if he intended that. For anyone having been through school it is hard to imagine that he himself would not have meant it as a take on that passage.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
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LooksAeterna 1 year ago
1:42 Methinks this is a classical straw man argument perhaps describing his own past misconceptions, but then 2:28 - 3:09 is totally traditional, those in fact ARE the traditional descriptions. Mahamudra realization, for instance, is officially even called "ordinary mind", quippingly so, but it is.
Traditions' mistakes must be criticized, but one shouldn't accuse traditions of the accuser's lack of education about what they actually say.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
Incidentally for the same reason I just mentioned, vast emptiness in the buddhist sense is no contradiction at all to personal god - much to the dismay of the buddhists. The Christian idea of the Divine Person does not mean it is self-referencing ignorance, it just means that (Divine) Life can display personal features to those who are still in ignorance. With Paul Tillich it says that God is not a person but not less than a person.
The term "person" does not imply separateness at all. Learn.
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
0.43 - 0:55 Although we know what he means, this is self-contradictory. Most such non-dualists and the buddhists in particular do not know the meaning of the word "person". While "there is no one" in the sense of a separate, self-referencing core, the awakening to that does not destroy a person. Parsons is still functioning, so mere person as part of aliveness is no contradiction to awakening. So of course, if there is no ignorance functioning in a person, it makes sense to say "s/he is enlig.".
LooksAeterna 1 year ago
@LooksAeterna this 'person' you're talking about is Consciousness itself acting as a person (playing its role).
GeorgeGogle 1 year ago
Great message. There is no more you. There is just the joy of life. Wow, thats it. No more division.
nowbellhere 1 year ago
good shit!
shamash007 2 years ago
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truthbeyondbelief 2 years ago
love this stuff.
crnogora 2 years ago 5
He has intellectualized the Eternal Truth. But is he That which he speaks about... not yet, not fully, not in mastery, just in process...
rafestoneman 2 years ago
That is a projection from yourself ,about yourself
spiritoftibet777 2 years ago
So far I watch satsang on Youtube and wonder what it would be like to be there in person. But here it's weird seeing Tony on Youtube when I've seen him a few times in person, he was my introduction to advaita and still a follower after 12 years.
satguru 2 years ago
oqenrbgvnjbn2erjbk2jkjer2n Enlightenment is the clear seeing of reality as it is,enlightenment is the ONLY REALITY,The here and Now is enlightened forever within you now.
134being 2 years ago
exactly if everything is one, you can take anything, pain and no pain is the same, paedophiles are also one with the children they abuse and instead of Obama we have hitler, no problem, shall I go on?
devarsi 2 years ago
where is the study which says no such thing of anyone ever becoming enlightened,has he asked all human beings? He hasnt seen the one who is enlightened, also oneness is an illusionary concept, within the oneness we experience ourselves as individuals. I have a good idea, If everything is always one, give me your money, if everything is truly one, it doesn't matter if you don't have it any more, so give it to me,no? yes?you want my paypal email now? failing that make a video of you eating stool
devarsi 2 years ago
Yes to this, this, this!!!!!!!
devachahnabroersma 3 years ago
This is for the advanced.....no wonder some of you are lost.GREAT Tony.
oxen1957 3 years ago 3
Yeah, Tony!! Wonderful...
Rhea303 2 years ago 2
simply GRAND! :))))))))))
NonEvernoThing 3 years ago 2
I'm speachless. nice one :0)
peacepalace 3 years ago 2
All this arguing is ridiculous. As soon as one uses language you have a subject/object "relationship" which will invariably introduce endless profound paradoxes when speaking about spirituality/One-ness. Is that so difficult to see? No speak, No problem.
TadRapidly 3 years ago 7
The only one arguing, with himself, is a Hare Krishna robot!
dpmduran 2 years ago
Au contraire, devarsi is the only intelligent contributor to this discussion. I see no coherent argument justifying Parson's vague solipsistic moonshine from "the advanced" among us.
Mokkor 2 years ago
Tony, You make this aliveness sound a little like a Stepford wife.
jesuisravi 3 years ago
Who does he have to be? Call it what you like- 'the Parson's train', Advaita, Buddha-Dharma. It's the teaching of the awakened and damion's comment demonstrates understanding.
zencat 3 years ago
Why be so critical of yourself? It's okay for you to be on an intellectual superiority trip and cop out about being honest with yourself. Who cares? Mommy and Daddy love you.
Peace on you.
advaitaing 4 years ago
its amazing how elusive this is. there is no nisargadatta, there is no nisargadatta state. these are all dreams based entirely on the erroneous assumption of an individualized "me". the future never arrives, because it is an imaginary concept, but even further still if it did arrive, there would be noone there to claim it.
damiongoodpaster 4 years ago 3
its all genuine experience. the question is, WHO`S experience is it? whether one can jump on the parsons train, or one rejects it, its STILL an idea of an individualized "me" that chooses to do so. what if there is a cessation of a need to be part of either team?
damiongoodpaster 4 years ago
word
nomindchess 2 years ago
word is the word for word
lethologic 2 years ago
bullshit. what can YOU allow?
damiongoodpaster 4 years ago
no, people handle criticism. more then handle it, they feed on the premise of confrontation. you`ll not find what you think you`re looking for in bating OR biting.
damiongoodpaster 4 years ago
comments for these clips are best disabled.
damiongoodpaster 4 years ago
right. it is possible to become enlightened and yet carry on suffering and judging everything as before. it is actually a much longer journey to incorporate the lesson of awakening into everyday life.
mercurius0 4 years ago
Another feature of New Age babble is the stringing together of empty subjective phrases, devoid of any meaning without precise definition. Take a thousand people and each will understand "mind", "Oneness", "being", etc, etc, in a completely different way. Use your brains people, and see through this garbage!
Mokkor 4 years ago
the trouble with non-duality is that it cannot be expressed in words. this is because it is by its very nature absolute and language is necessarily relative. any attempt to explain the The Unexplainable, therefore, will usually sound very confusing and irrational. it is therefore important to investigate for yourself, subjectively, not with your intellect but simply with your consciousness; to experience non-duality for yourself.
mercurius0 4 years ago
And then you will know it to be the truth and you will see that's dead simple.
mercurius0 4 years ago
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talkinghead22 4 months ago
The measurement problem in quantum mechanics is merely one of countless empirical counter weights to Parsons' juvenile and baseless mystifications. Without acceptance of conscious agency, there is no moral responsibility and without moral responsibility there is a straight road to the concentration camp.
Mokkor 4 years ago
hey son, "moral responsibility" is just an idea in your head. if those things are let go, so to speak, the question is "what remains?" a concentration camp is just the product of an asshole trying to think his way to a better world. your supposed hitler was all about a fictional "moral responsibility".
damiongoodpaster 4 years ago
"What remains" is the entire edifice of both esoteric tradition and social structure, even for an atheist. While I agree with Parsons that "things happen", he is wrong to deny agency. Conscience must discriminate between right and wrong actions, otherwise any evil can be justified, and this is the problem with non-dualism.
Mokkor 4 years ago
sure, but only in your mind.
damiongoodpaster 4 years ago
Tell that to the victims of Hitler's final solution or Stalin's Gulag - that it was "all in their minds".
Mokkor 4 years ago
it is bizzare that you would bring up Hitler, because he was very ego-centric. if he had an experience of awakening, he would see that there is no distinction between him and the Jews, hence non-duality. Hitler is the Jews! And so,to get rid of the Jews would be to get rid of a part of himself.
mercurius0 4 years ago
Man is not one, he is many. Each thought, feeling and sensation says "I". Man's name is Legion. Without friction between "yes" and "no", a man can never see himself; that he is a slave to habit. To be a real man and not a machine, a man must BE ABLE to DO according to conscience, which in turn requires suffering. This is the holy message of the great traditions.
Mokkor 4 years ago
sure, but only in your mind.
damiongoodpaster 4 years ago
So, the World is fiction? What self-centered nihilism. I pity you. Parsons is manufacturing lunatics. Yet another New Age flake and a dangerous one at that.
Mokkor 4 years ago
So, you admit concentration camps exist?? If you took Parsons facile solipsism to its logical conclusion, everything, including Parsons, is a figment of your mind. So why bother to post? And why does Parsons (also part of you) bother to teach non-existent others...?
Mokkor 4 years ago
i can`t admit that "i" as a person exist. people that suffer in whatever circumstance are exactly as "real" as i am. the question is, how real is THAT? you`re funny. open awareness never had an agenda that was "dangerous." you`re not threatened by advaita, your ego is, friend. that`s why you can`t leave this alone.
damiongoodpaster 4 years ago
dude, you have missed the point entirely. non-duality is absolutely not solipsism! solipsism is the belief that my ego is the center of the world and everything else is imagination. non-duality is the realisation that there is no center! I am everything (and so are you). Your thoughts are just as real as mine, even though i can't experience them. one no longer identifies with the ego and instead identifies with all of existence (and non-existence).
mercurius0 4 years ago
this does not take away all moral responsibility, in fact it gives one a basis for morality which is incredibly simple! wrong actions are those that harm myself or others. I am you! so to harm you is to harm myself. you see?
mercurius0 4 years ago
aha, with other words if you fall over, everyone else should as well. If u r him then u r me as well yes? I am u and u are me, so give me your money, we r both the same....we are one, or drink some diesel, it will taste nice, their is no difference between that & apple juice. Great stuff I am so delighted that I am you and u r me & iam also him & her and anyone else i suppose. NOT!
devarsi 2 years ago
How can you possible be everything, if you are localised within this body? u may be part of everything, but u r still individual. The trick is to realize that everything is inconceivably and simultaneously one and different in the same time. we r part & parcel of God, the same in quality the same and minute in power and quantity.
devarsi 2 years ago
he' isnt talking ít',the great mystery is and it just wrote this
zenman11 4 years ago
So BEAUTIFUL!! I wish everyone good luck....
fjanton83 4 years ago
oh, absolutely brillant!!what a relief, thanks for removing the chains that never were
zenman11 4 years ago
Most live in a completely imaginary world.When you look at things without their stories --and you are one of those stories--then what?Might be fun to see.
jesuisravi 4 years ago
Great Talk - like he said, 'so uncluttered'.
meenakshimammi 5 years ago