Christians are not a "persecuted and oppressed" community. I'm not sure where you get your facts from (nowhere, because theyre NOT facts, mindless propaganda). the only persecution and oppression is given at the hands of Israel's racist policies that treat non-Jews as second class citizens. Why should Palestinians have to choose between living freely on all of their homeland or less than half of it at the behest of European colonial powers? You're racist.
still not sure how what you're saying justifies the military occupation and complete economic,political and physical domination of an entire people (christian, muslim, jew) on their own land. Israel is an exclusivist race-based state built on bourgeoisie nationalist ethnic cleansing policies.
@shodali The military occupation is a sad fact that will clearly have to end at some point.
You are still not getting your facts right:
Israel is a multi-race and multi-national country, what you call "Palestine" is an Arab Muslim based group, with a very small persecuted and oppressed Christian minority (not a single Jewish person - don't understand where you people get your info).
The "2-state" solution has been on the table since the 30s, repeatedly objected by the Arab side.
What world do you live in? Google up "peaceful settlement of palestine question". That is a resolution that the UN General Assembly votes on every year. The vote is the same every year, the whole world on one side calling for an end to Israeli occupation and the creation of a Palestinian state in pre-1967 borders (22% of the original land), only US + Israel opposing the vote. Recently some small Pacific islands have joined the two apartheid supporters.
@optimistsRUS Im not arguing the fact that there is a sad ongoing conflict, just trying to point out that on the other side of it there are 7 million Israeli citizens, the vast majority of which, want this to end.
On this specific day, we mourn the death of over 20,000 people that were killed in these wars.
Irgun Bombs Kill 15 Arabs; 3 of 5 Attackers Are Slain; 15 Arabs Killed by Irgunist Bombs
JERUSALEM, Jan. 7 -- Eighteen persons were killed and forty-one wounded this afternoon in a double bombing here, carried out by five members of Irgun Zvai Leumi. The attackers were driving a stolen police armored car and at least one of them was disguised as a policeman.
@shodali The irony of the whole situation is that on the best case scenario, the so called "Palestinians" will get about 40-50% of what they were initially offered, unfortunately, after a 60 year conflict in which thousands of people from both sides lost their lives in.
The irony of your ignorance is that the Palestinians non-Jews were 97% of the population in 1906, 89% of the population in 1922, and after accelerated mass-immigration of Jews during WWII the non-Jews of Palestine still made up 66% of the population in 1947. The UN offered a "generous" 45% of the worst land to this majority population which they rejected. Would you give up more than half of your home to an intruder?
@shodali Well, its fairly easy regarding the fact that its a provocative, orchestrated show organised by extreme left wing organisations (most of which are now under government investigation for illegal funding by radical Muslim countries).
If you watch carefully you will see that its a well defined "game" with very specific rules played by these people and the police...........
Its occurs on the same time and day every week, with each "team" positioned at the same spot.
@521i Mainly, because its NOT 2 countries... Its one country and 2 separate occupied territories (with different leaderships).
Do your history & geography homework...
And they cant become one nation, as one side sadly calls for the destruction of the other while refusing any negotiations and choosing terror as its preferred way of communication.
you're sadly right, and once Israel decides that Palestine does have a right to exist and stops with their terrorism methods, there can be peace in the middle east.
@spitler I dont argue that "Palestine" has a right to exist, Mr. Kitler, its just that nobody has ever managed to explain what "Palestine" is, and what are its defined borders.
Maybe you should look into the "Hamas" organisation which leads the "Palestinians" and its agenda - claiming that all Jews and Christians need to be slaughtered, quote: "like dogs".
This may shed a whole new light on the term "peace", so frequently used on these comments...
@sarigamir1 funny cause i thought the UN did define what Palestine was in 1948 didnt they? Its Israel who keeps forgetting where those lines were drawn. I'm well aware of Hamas and some of the evil they commit, but I have never known any of them to say all Jews and Christians need to be slaughtered. But I will tell you this.. if my homeland was being starved by a "Jewish" state while Christians and others watched my people die, I'd probably be pretty angry at them too...
@spitler To put things on the correct side of history, the U.N defined what Israel is, not "Palestine". Which was followed by a refusal of the Arab world to this separation plan and declaration of war, during which a part of Jordan (now known as the West bank) and a part of Egypt (now the Gaza strip) were occupied by Israel - as a result of that conflict. Sadly, both of those countries have repeatedly refused to accept these territories back due to the nature of their population.
@spitler If you pay close attention to this video, you will notice that the people getting arrested are not "Palestinians", its a bunch of drug addict, social outcast Israeli teens, that call themselves "Anarchists" in some attempt to make up for some childhood abuse.
As a matter of fact, they couldn't care less about what you call "Palestinians" (whatever the hell that is..), they just want to confront the police, simply for the sake of drawing some attention to their miserable existence.
@spitler If someone that was born in "Palestine", as defined by the pre WWI turkish empire is a "Palestinian", than so am I, and my parents, and grandparents.
As a matter of fact, going by that definition, most of the citizens of Jordan are "Palestinians" as well.
My point is, that its a very loose term, widely abused by propaganda employed by these people in recent years.
@spitler I agree that the occupation must end with some form of a 2-state solution, yet I believe that this will not resolve the conflict, as it is strongly religion based and not a matter of land.
As someone who has visited these places many times, I have never seen a starving or poor "Palestinian", and their demographics indicate very good health, despite the sad occupation.
@spitler For some reason unclear to me, in very recent years (maybe 5-10), these people somehow managed to create a distorted image of history that the beautiful country of "Palestine" (which never existed) was stolen by the evil Israeli people. This situation is a result of a military conflict (which they initiated) that is going on for half a decade now.
The funny (well, maybe ironic) thing is, that eventually, they will end up with about 50% of what they were offered initially.
@sarigamir1 its insane that you actually believe this. its people like you who like to imagineer the history of things and discredit the Palestinian people. keep supporting a nation that continuously breaks the law, uses white phosphorus on women and children. you are a fascist and so is anyone who supports Israel's apartheid regime. keep drinking that hasbara koolaid as Israel maintains a modern day genocide/holocaust of the Palestinian people.
@spitler Im still shocked every time you people use the term "apartheid" as it does not qualify for this situation.
Try to explain why close to 2 million Arab Muslims that are living happily in Israel, do not qualify as "Palestinians" and in fact, want nothing to do with them.
@spitler Im not supporting anything, I was born into this, and therefore, I am part of a side in this conflict.
You cannot blame me of creating an "imaginary" history, while you are being force-fed by radical Muslim / neo-Nazi propaganda. If you don't believe what I say - go buy a history book.
@sarigamir1 how exactly were you 'born into this'? i was born a human being and believe all human beings deserve equal, basic human rights... thats what i was born into. you can try to recontextualize this all you want. and by the way, prior to 1948, the only reference to israel is in the bible yet palestine is referenced throughout history, both in religious and plain old historical contexts. you're just trying to rationalize your racism and i'm fine with that cause you end up lookin dumb
@spitler As I said, its a war, and sadly people get killed in wars (a number of my relatives and friends lost their life in this as well). you choose to look at one side of it, which is fine.. but it makes you part of a conflict. Thus loosing any right to be called a "peace activist" or whatever it is you people like to be named.
Go find a credible historical reference to a place called "Palestine" or a group of people called "Palestinians" and try to relate it to the situation as it is.
@sarigamir1 The crime of apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity "committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime." <--- sure sounds like israel's treatment of palestine and palestinians.
@spitler Having gone down this path numerous times with others like you, I love the way you people spit out accusations and hate, screaming out words like "genocide" and "Apartheid" out of context, with no real proposal of a sustainable resolution to end this conflict.
@sarigamir1 really? cause i just posted the definition of Apartheid and it seems to fit Israel to a tee. So keep dismissing what the whole world is slowly opening their eyes to: The Israeli-led genocide of the Palestinian people.
@spitler You have to realise that the base of this is as realistic as the Muslim population of France declare themselves as "Narbononensians" and demand a country called "Nerbonensis".
Im sure that with some propaganda its quite possible...
@spitler The base behind the definition of apartheid (that you posted) is the word "Race", and this is clearly not the case here, since there is no "race" involved in this situation...
By saying that I was "born" into this, I mean that I was born as an Israeli citizen, a country which suffered numerous violent attacks from outside and within, and yet, there is no hate on a racial base within most people that live here.
@spitler You can scream "genocide" all day long, the "palestinian" population has increased since 1948 from approximately 100,000 to about 3 million. so it seems that as a genocide, its not a highly successful one.
Israel is the only country that supplies its enemies with electricity, food, water and ridiculous amounts of cash on a regular base.
A U.S senator said in an interview last week that: "if the Gaza situation occurred in the U.S, it would have been wiped off the face of the earth"
and where exactly has my hate been? I'm pointing to objective sources and what not. you're going by your own rhetoric, hate-filled at that. mayhaps it's time you look in the mirror?
@sarigamir1 and my nation is irrelevant.. I am a human being first and foremost and the most important thing to me is that human beings are treated as human beings. a lesson that israel needs to learn.
@sarigamir1 i'm done trying to reason with you. you're a liar who can't see the truth even when it's right in front of your face. keep believing all that garbage as the world realizes the atrocities that Israel is committing and will no longer tolerate it. i guess the UN who is also continuously trying to sanction Israel is also wrong, right? what is their secret agenda in highlighting all the crimes Israel commits?
@spitler How many "Palestinians" were killed in this conflict in the past 10 years?, during the same time period - how many civilians were killed in Iraq and afghanistan? ....
And you call the war in Israel "genocide" and the war in Iraq "operation freedom" - yeah right...
Quote of a "Palestinian" leader from last week: "we will never recognise the existence of Israel, and will not cease fighting until its complete destruction" - sounds to me like a great peace partner.
@sarigamir1 Israel has people of all races and religions living in it as equal citizens of a democratic country, walls and fences are being built to defend these people from terror. Fighting a war against an enemy is NOT apartheid, nor is it genocide / holocaust. Personally, I haven't "stolen" any land from anyone, my ancestors bought it in 1911 from a Syrian land owner, and I believe I have the right to live on it.
@sarigamir1 really? why are their different roads for arabs? guess that's standard in every democracy.. to treat people differently under the law... or rape by deception because he is arab? sounds like apartheid to me and anyone else listening. and you trying to make this a war is straight faced lie. someone could say the same thing about the Nazis that they were just fighting their enemy, so I guess that wasn't genocide or a holocaust either? p.s. look at the stats to see who is the real terror
@spitler As I don't have the time and energy to invest in this, I strongly suggest you get on a plane, and visit these places and people you know so much about.. maybe you will be surprised.
@spitler You are confusing "Palestinians" and "Arabs" its not the same thing, the area I live in has a majority of Arab population, all equal Israeli citizens.
And which road is forbidden for arabs? give me a road number...
Road 443 was closed for "Palestinians" under military recommendations following numerous terrorist attacks for about 5 days, and was then reopened by court order for everyone.
@521i I love the way that the South African example is constantly brought up, but as I recall, I never heard a quote of Mr. Mandela call for the slaughter of all "non-african" citizens or the destruction of their country.
Nor do I seem to remember Africans blowing up in restaurants or firing anti-tank missiles into school buses.
Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist by US of A. His name was still on terror list until 2008. Archbidhop Desmund Tutu visited Occupied Palestine and said that it's not apartheid, it's far worse than apartheid. In apartheid they didn't bomb civilians with helicopters and F-16s, they didn't have White-only roads.
@optimistsRUS Get some of your history & geography right....
If you look at the UN separation plan of 1948, you will see that the major area of the jewish state was the desert in the south of the country (thats what you call the "best land"?)
The 1948 war was initiated by the Arab countries, supported by Russia - in which they surprisingly lost.
Hey Hasbara Propagandist, UN allotted the Zionist settlers (34% of the total population) more than 55% of the land and you are trying to say that the Arabs were wrong to reject it?
The Zionist terrorists had expelled more than 250,000 native Arabs before May 15, 1948 (when the Arab "Armies" started the war). Shame on you propagandists who lie to justify apartheid. Shame on you propagandists who ignore the fact that US + Israel are the only countries that oppose Palestine state.
@optimistsRUS A large portion of the pre-1948 Arab population are living as equal rights Israeli citizens, what you call "Palestinians" are largely originated from Jordan and Egypt.
If you believe everything you read online, you must be spending a fortune on penis enlargement pills....
Try to Google "Mohhamed is a pig", see how many results you get...
@optimistsRUS In any case, I wish the "Palestinians" luck with their soon to be founded Afghanistan lookalike state, hope they enjoy their new freedom.
We will see how well they do once the world forgets about them and the multi-million dollar weekly funding is shut down.
I just sincerely hope that on the day this happens, Israel will be finally free of this nuisance.
Palestine gets barely a few million Dollars whereas war criminals of Israeli apartheid state get $3 billion per year from US tax payers (more aid for 7 million population than the aid US gives to 1 billion people of Sub-Saharan Africa, South America and Caribbean combined). I sincerely hope that on the day that aid, weapons and diplomatic support from US ends, Palestinians will be free of the occupation, terrorism and apartheid of the racist settlers.
@optimistsRUS Just try to explain why a teenager throwing stones, gets payed more than 5 times than an Israeli soldier - where is the money coming from?
How come the "Palestinians" cant pronounce their own name ? (as there is no "P" in Arabic)....
Why do Israeli Arabs refuse to be called "Palestinians"?
How come Israel has peace with all surrounding countries that were willing to sign an agreement?
You are an ignorant propagandist. Palestine is the English version of the name, in Arabic it is "Filisteen"
Whether it's named Pissrael or Israeltine eventually, the problem is the apartheid laws which must end. Any Russian, Austrian or American Jew instantly gets Israeli citizenship and has the right to kick out a native Arab and live in his home, but those Arabs expelled by Ben Gurion's terrorists in 1947-8 are not allowed to return. Shame on the Nazi animals and their supporters.
@waqasusmans QUOTE: "Palestine is the English version of the name, in Arabic it is "Filisteen" - Hmmm
Because it seems to me the name is originated from the time of Roman empire, and at the time, about 90% of its occupants were Jewish, numbering about 3,000,000 people.
I just love you neo-Nazis, and your newly created history to protect the poor starving "palestinians" - a term that was re-invented in 1985 once they exploited all violent military option they thought of...
@sarigamir1 Not getting involved in this arguement, as I am neither Jewish or Arab. But I am a history nerd, so I just wanted to point out that the name "Palestine" is actually derived from an ancient Egyptian term (and was also mentioned in early Greek text.) The Romans merely replaced the name "Judah Province" with "Syria-Palaestina" after the 2nd century A.D. The name by far predated the Roman Empire and is probably a corruption of the word Philistine.
Now anyone can read the news archives on google news and confirm the truth.
The Indian Express - May 13, 1948
Arabs surrender Jaffa to Haganah Men
The all-Arab port of Jaffa was today surrender to the Jews after direct negotiations between senior Haganah officers and the Arabs.
British forces were expected to withdraw on Saturday as Haganah forces move into city which has been virtually dead since 95 per cent of its population fled two weeks ago whe nthe Jews attacked.
This terrorism was 6 months before "Arab Armies" started the war on Jewish settler state which was 15 May 1948.
NYTimes
December 20, 1947
HAGANAH KILLS 10 IN RAID ON ARABS; Victims of Bombing Reprisal Attack on Village Are Said to Include 5 Children
JERUSALEM, Dec. 19 -- Ten Arabs, reported to include five small children, were killed and five injured during the night in a Haganah reprisal raid which, it was feared today, would start a new wave of bloodshed in Palestine.
Jerusalem. July 24 - (Wednesday) - An official British statement today disclosed that two high Palestinian Government officials had been killed and 14, including Geoffrey Walsh, food contorller and economic adviser, were missing as a result of the terrorist attack Monday on government and military headquarters here which wrecked the King David Hotel.
Jerusalem, July 23 (AP) - A swelling outcry of indignation rose in the Holy Land today as the toll of dead and missing in yesterday's terroristic boombing of the King David Hotel climbed to 94.
Girl in black and aquamarine gets the "Pallywood" memo at 2:46
1t62rtqiu 7 months ago
WAQASUSMANS LYING PIECE OF ARAB SHIT STOP LYING MONKEY GO BACK TO THE CAGE
xgarievas2 9 months ago
Christians are not a "persecuted and oppressed" community. I'm not sure where you get your facts from (nowhere, because theyre NOT facts, mindless propaganda). the only persecution and oppression is given at the hands of Israel's racist policies that treat non-Jews as second class citizens. Why should Palestinians have to choose between living freely on all of their homeland or less than half of it at the behest of European colonial powers? You're racist.
shodali 9 months ago
still not sure how what you're saying justifies the military occupation and complete economic,political and physical domination of an entire people (christian, muslim, jew) on their own land. Israel is an exclusivist race-based state built on bourgeoisie nationalist ethnic cleansing policies.
shodali 9 months ago
@shodali The military occupation is a sad fact that will clearly have to end at some point.
You are still not getting your facts right:
Israel is a multi-race and multi-national country, what you call "Palestine" is an Arab Muslim based group, with a very small persecuted and oppressed Christian minority (not a single Jewish person - don't understand where you people get your info).
The "2-state" solution has been on the table since the 30s, repeatedly objected by the Arab side.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
What world do you live in? Google up "peaceful settlement of palestine question". That is a resolution that the UN General Assembly votes on every year. The vote is the same every year, the whole world on one side calling for an end to Israeli occupation and the creation of a Palestinian state in pre-1967 borders (22% of the original land), only US + Israel opposing the vote. Recently some small Pacific islands have joined the two apartheid supporters.
optimistsRUS 9 months ago
@optimistsRUS Im not arguing the fact that there is a sad ongoing conflict, just trying to point out that on the other side of it there are 7 million Israeli citizens, the vast majority of which, want this to end.
On this specific day, we mourn the death of over 20,000 people that were killed in these wars.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
NYTimes January 08, 1948.
Irgun Bombs Kill 15 Arabs; 3 of 5 Attackers Are Slain; 15 Arabs Killed by Irgunist Bombs
JERUSALEM, Jan. 7 -- Eighteen persons were killed and forty-one wounded this afternoon in a double bombing here, carried out by five members of Irgun Zvai Leumi. The attackers were driving a stolen police armored car and at least one of them was disguised as a policeman.
waqasusmans 9 months ago
@shodali The irony of the whole situation is that on the best case scenario, the so called "Palestinians" will get about 40-50% of what they were initially offered, unfortunately, after a 60 year conflict in which thousands of people from both sides lost their lives in.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
The irony of your ignorance is that the Palestinians non-Jews were 97% of the population in 1906, 89% of the population in 1922, and after accelerated mass-immigration of Jews during WWII the non-Jews of Palestine still made up 66% of the population in 1947. The UN offered a "generous" 45% of the worst land to this majority population which they rejected. Would you give up more than half of your home to an intruder?
optimistsRUS 9 months ago
how anyone can watch this video and try to reconcile it is as just.. is impossible
shodali 9 months ago
@shodali Well, its fairly easy regarding the fact that its a provocative, orchestrated show organised by extreme left wing organisations (most of which are now under government investigation for illegal funding by radical Muslim countries).
If you watch carefully you will see that its a well defined "game" with very specific rules played by these people and the police...........
Its occurs on the same time and day every week, with each "team" positioned at the same spot.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
Chemical weapons. Don't try this at Home folk ss~
TheSynthZone 9 months ago
I've been wondering this for the whole time
That why you 2 countries never thought of becoming as 1 nation
1 NATION
Like South Africa & Turkey did
521i 9 months ago
@521i Mainly, because its NOT 2 countries... Its one country and 2 separate occupied territories (with different leaderships).
Do your history & geography homework...
And they cant become one nation, as one side sadly calls for the destruction of the other while refusing any negotiations and choosing terror as its preferred way of communication.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
you're sadly right, and once Israel decides that Palestine does have a right to exist and stops with their terrorism methods, there can be peace in the middle east.
spitler 9 months ago
@spitler I dont argue that "Palestine" has a right to exist, Mr. Kitler, its just that nobody has ever managed to explain what "Palestine" is, and what are its defined borders.
Maybe you should look into the "Hamas" organisation which leads the "Palestinians" and its agenda - claiming that all Jews and Christians need to be slaughtered, quote: "like dogs".
This may shed a whole new light on the term "peace", so frequently used on these comments...
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1 funny cause i thought the UN did define what Palestine was in 1948 didnt they? Its Israel who keeps forgetting where those lines were drawn. I'm well aware of Hamas and some of the evil they commit, but I have never known any of them to say all Jews and Christians need to be slaughtered. But I will tell you this.. if my homeland was being starved by a "Jewish" state while Christians and others watched my people die, I'd probably be pretty angry at them too...
spitler 9 months ago
@spitler To put things on the correct side of history, the U.N defined what Israel is, not "Palestine". Which was followed by a refusal of the Arab world to this separation plan and declaration of war, during which a part of Jordan (now known as the West bank) and a part of Egypt (now the Gaza strip) were occupied by Israel - as a result of that conflict. Sadly, both of those countries have repeatedly refused to accept these territories back due to the nature of their population.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@spitler If you pay close attention to this video, you will notice that the people getting arrested are not "Palestinians", its a bunch of drug addict, social outcast Israeli teens, that call themselves "Anarchists" in some attempt to make up for some childhood abuse.
As a matter of fact, they couldn't care less about what you call "Palestinians" (whatever the hell that is..), they just want to confront the police, simply for the sake of drawing some attention to their miserable existence.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1 I'm not sure where you're lost on what a Palestinian is.. someone born in Palestine.. you know the land being stolen by Israel?
spitler 9 months ago
@spitler If someone that was born in "Palestine", as defined by the pre WWI turkish empire is a "Palestinian", than so am I, and my parents, and grandparents.
As a matter of fact, going by that definition, most of the citizens of Jordan are "Palestinians" as well.
My point is, that its a very loose term, widely abused by propaganda employed by these people in recent years.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@spitler I agree that the occupation must end with some form of a 2-state solution, yet I believe that this will not resolve the conflict, as it is strongly religion based and not a matter of land.
As someone who has visited these places many times, I have never seen a starving or poor "Palestinian", and their demographics indicate very good health, despite the sad occupation.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@spitler For some reason unclear to me, in very recent years (maybe 5-10), these people somehow managed to create a distorted image of history that the beautiful country of "Palestine" (which never existed) was stolen by the evil Israeli people. This situation is a result of a military conflict (which they initiated) that is going on for half a decade now.
The funny (well, maybe ironic) thing is, that eventually, they will end up with about 50% of what they were offered initially.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1 its insane that you actually believe this. its people like you who like to imagineer the history of things and discredit the Palestinian people. keep supporting a nation that continuously breaks the law, uses white phosphorus on women and children. you are a fascist and so is anyone who supports Israel's apartheid regime. keep drinking that hasbara koolaid as Israel maintains a modern day genocide/holocaust of the Palestinian people.
spitler 9 months ago
@spitler Im still shocked every time you people use the term "apartheid" as it does not qualify for this situation.
Try to explain why close to 2 million Arab Muslims that are living happily in Israel, do not qualify as "Palestinians" and in fact, want nothing to do with them.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@spitler Im not supporting anything, I was born into this, and therefore, I am part of a side in this conflict.
You cannot blame me of creating an "imaginary" history, while you are being force-fed by radical Muslim / neo-Nazi propaganda. If you don't believe what I say - go buy a history book.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1 how exactly were you 'born into this'? i was born a human being and believe all human beings deserve equal, basic human rights... thats what i was born into. you can try to recontextualize this all you want. and by the way, prior to 1948, the only reference to israel is in the bible yet palestine is referenced throughout history, both in religious and plain old historical contexts. you're just trying to rationalize your racism and i'm fine with that cause you end up lookin dumb
spitler 9 months ago
@spitler As I said, its a war, and sadly people get killed in wars (a number of my relatives and friends lost their life in this as well). you choose to look at one side of it, which is fine.. but it makes you part of a conflict. Thus loosing any right to be called a "peace activist" or whatever it is you people like to be named.
Go find a credible historical reference to a place called "Palestine" or a group of people called "Palestinians" and try to relate it to the situation as it is.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1 The crime of apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity "committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime." <--- sure sounds like israel's treatment of palestine and palestinians.
spitler 9 months ago
@spitler Having gone down this path numerous times with others like you, I love the way you people spit out accusations and hate, screaming out words like "genocide" and "Apartheid" out of context, with no real proposal of a sustainable resolution to end this conflict.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1 really? cause i just posted the definition of Apartheid and it seems to fit Israel to a tee. So keep dismissing what the whole world is slowly opening their eyes to: The Israeli-led genocide of the Palestinian people.
spitler 9 months ago
@spitler You have to realise that the base of this is as realistic as the Muslim population of France declare themselves as "Narbononensians" and demand a country called "Nerbonensis".
Im sure that with some propaganda its quite possible...
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@spitler The base behind the definition of apartheid (that you posted) is the word "Race", and this is clearly not the case here, since there is no "race" involved in this situation...
By saying that I was "born" into this, I mean that I was born as an Israeli citizen, a country which suffered numerous violent attacks from outside and within, and yet, there is no hate on a racial base within most people that live here.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@spitler You can scream "genocide" all day long, the "palestinian" population has increased since 1948 from approximately 100,000 to about 3 million. so it seems that as a genocide, its not a highly successful one.
Israel is the only country that supplies its enemies with electricity, food, water and ridiculous amounts of cash on a regular base.
A U.S senator said in an interview last week that: "if the Gaza situation occurred in the U.S, it would have been wiped off the face of the earth"
sarigamir1 9 months ago
and where exactly has my hate been? I'm pointing to objective sources and what not. you're going by your own rhetoric, hate-filled at that. mayhaps it's time you look in the mirror?
spitler 9 months ago
@spitler If you be kind enough to tell me which respectful nation you belong to?
As Im sure that its a model of civilisation that should be globally adopted by all of us...
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1 and my nation is irrelevant.. I am a human being first and foremost and the most important thing to me is that human beings are treated as human beings. a lesson that israel needs to learn.
spitler 9 months ago
@spitler Maybe this will explain it better than me:
watch?v=0S_vd7aTrvE
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1 i'm done trying to reason with you. you're a liar who can't see the truth even when it's right in front of your face. keep believing all that garbage as the world realizes the atrocities that Israel is committing and will no longer tolerate it. i guess the UN who is also continuously trying to sanction Israel is also wrong, right? what is their secret agenda in highlighting all the crimes Israel commits?
spitler 9 months ago
@spitler You are furious about a well orchestrated show:
Every teen you see on these videos throwing stones at soldiers gets 250$ a week to do so.
Wonder why the "poor and starving" demonstrators each carries a 2000$ digital SLR camera and a 500$ gas mask?
How come out of 50 demonstrators, about 30 are "journalists"?
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@spitler How many "Palestinians" were killed in this conflict in the past 10 years?, during the same time period - how many civilians were killed in Iraq and afghanistan? ....
And you call the war in Israel "genocide" and the war in Iraq "operation freedom" - yeah right...
Quote of a "Palestinian" leader from last week: "we will never recognise the existence of Israel, and will not cease fighting until its complete destruction" - sounds to me like a great peace partner.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1 Israel has people of all races and religions living in it as equal citizens of a democratic country, walls and fences are being built to defend these people from terror. Fighting a war against an enemy is NOT apartheid, nor is it genocide / holocaust. Personally, I haven't "stolen" any land from anyone, my ancestors bought it in 1911 from a Syrian land owner, and I believe I have the right to live on it.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1 really? why are their different roads for arabs? guess that's standard in every democracy.. to treat people differently under the law... or rape by deception because he is arab? sounds like apartheid to me and anyone else listening. and you trying to make this a war is straight faced lie. someone could say the same thing about the Nazis that they were just fighting their enemy, so I guess that wasn't genocide or a holocaust either? p.s. look at the stats to see who is the real terror
spitler 9 months ago
@spitler As I don't have the time and energy to invest in this, I strongly suggest you get on a plane, and visit these places and people you know so much about.. maybe you will be surprised.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@spitler You are confusing "Palestinians" and "Arabs" its not the same thing, the area I live in has a majority of Arab population, all equal Israeli citizens.
And which road is forbidden for arabs? give me a road number...
Road 443 was closed for "Palestinians" under military recommendations following numerous terrorist attacks for about 5 days, and was then reopened by court order for everyone.
Get your facts right, and then spit out hate...
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
specifcly u mean it's like USA and Puerto Rico
... gone negatively
well
haven't they found a way like Mandela did?
521i 9 months ago
@521i I love the way that the South African example is constantly brought up, but as I recall, I never heard a quote of Mr. Mandela call for the slaughter of all "non-african" citizens or the destruction of their country.
Nor do I seem to remember Africans blowing up in restaurants or firing anti-tank missiles into school buses.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
Nelson Mandela was called a terrorist by US of A. His name was still on terror list until 2008. Archbidhop Desmund Tutu visited Occupied Palestine and said that it's not apartheid, it's far worse than apartheid. In apartheid they didn't bomb civilians with helicopters and F-16s, they didn't have White-only roads.
optimistsRUS 9 months ago
@optimistsRUS Get some of your history & geography right....
If you look at the UN separation plan of 1948, you will see that the major area of the jewish state was the desert in the south of the country (thats what you call the "best land"?)
The 1948 war was initiated by the Arab countries, supported by Russia - in which they surprisingly lost.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
Hey Hasbara Propagandist, UN allotted the Zionist settlers (34% of the total population) more than 55% of the land and you are trying to say that the Arabs were wrong to reject it?
The Zionist terrorists had expelled more than 250,000 native Arabs before May 15, 1948 (when the Arab "Armies" started the war). Shame on you propagandists who lie to justify apartheid. Shame on you propagandists who ignore the fact that US + Israel are the only countries that oppose Palestine state.
waqasusmans 9 months ago
@optimistsRUS A large portion of the pre-1948 Arab population are living as equal rights Israeli citizens, what you call "Palestinians" are largely originated from Jordan and Egypt.
If you believe everything you read online, you must be spending a fortune on penis enlargement pills....
Try to Google "Mohhamed is a pig", see how many results you get...
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@optimistsRUS In any case, I wish the "Palestinians" luck with their soon to be founded Afghanistan lookalike state, hope they enjoy their new freedom.
We will see how well they do once the world forgets about them and the multi-million dollar weekly funding is shut down.
I just sincerely hope that on the day this happens, Israel will be finally free of this nuisance.
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
Palestine gets barely a few million Dollars whereas war criminals of Israeli apartheid state get $3 billion per year from US tax payers (more aid for 7 million population than the aid US gives to 1 billion people of Sub-Saharan Africa, South America and Caribbean combined). I sincerely hope that on the day that aid, weapons and diplomatic support from US ends, Palestinians will be free of the occupation, terrorism and apartheid of the racist settlers.
waqasusmans 9 months ago
@optimistsRUS Just try to explain why a teenager throwing stones, gets payed more than 5 times than an Israeli soldier - where is the money coming from?
How come the "Palestinians" cant pronounce their own name ? (as there is no "P" in Arabic)....
Why do Israeli Arabs refuse to be called "Palestinians"?
How come Israel has peace with all surrounding countries that were willing to sign an agreement?
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
You are an ignorant propagandist. Palestine is the English version of the name, in Arabic it is "Filisteen"
Whether it's named Pissrael or Israeltine eventually, the problem is the apartheid laws which must end. Any Russian, Austrian or American Jew instantly gets Israeli citizenship and has the right to kick out a native Arab and live in his home, but those Arabs expelled by Ben Gurion's terrorists in 1947-8 are not allowed to return. Shame on the Nazi animals and their supporters.
waqasusmans 9 months ago
@waqasusmans QUOTE: "Palestine is the English version of the name, in Arabic it is "Filisteen" - Hmmm
Because it seems to me the name is originated from the time of Roman empire, and at the time, about 90% of its occupants were Jewish, numbering about 3,000,000 people.
I just love you neo-Nazis, and your newly created history to protect the poor starving "palestinians" - a term that was re-invented in 1985 once they exploited all violent military option they thought of...
sarigamir1 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
No Jewish scholars claim expulsion of Jews occurred in 1st century CE.
637 Muslims took Jerusalem and allowed Jews to return after 500 years (Moshe Gill, Israeli historian)
1099 Christians took Holy Land and massacred, expelled Jews and Muslims
1187 Muslims took Jerusalem again, allowed Jews to return again.
1906 Jews 3% of Palestine's population
1922 Jews 11.6% of total population
1947 Jews 33.24% of total population
1948 Settlers expelled 750,000 Arabs, occupied 80% land.
waqasusmans 9 months ago
@sarigamir1 Not getting involved in this arguement, as I am neither Jewish or Arab. But I am a history nerd, so I just wanted to point out that the name "Palestine" is actually derived from an ancient Egyptian term (and was also mentioned in early Greek text.) The Romans merely replaced the name "Judah Province" with "Syria-Palaestina" after the 2nd century A.D. The name by far predated the Roman Empire and is probably a corruption of the word Philistine.
Derwydd3 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
Now anyone can read the news archives on google news and confirm the truth.
The Indian Express - May 13, 1948
Arabs surrender Jaffa to Haganah Men
The all-Arab port of Jaffa was today surrender to the Jews after direct negotiations between senior Haganah officers and the Arabs.
British forces were expected to withdraw on Saturday as Haganah forces move into city which has been virtually dead since 95 per cent of its population fled two weeks ago whe nthe Jews attacked.
waqasusmans 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
This terrorism was 6 months before "Arab Armies" started the war on Jewish settler state which was 15 May 1948.
NYTimes
December 20, 1947
HAGANAH KILLS 10 IN RAID ON ARABS; Victims of Bombing Reprisal Attack on Village Are Said to Include 5 Children
JERUSALEM, Dec. 19 -- Ten Arabs, reported to include five small children, were killed and five injured during the night in a Haganah reprisal raid which, it was feared today, would start a new wave of bloodshed in Palestine.
waqasusmans 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
(Read on google news archive)
Montreal Gazette - Jul 24, 1946
Irgun Message Admits Guilt in Death Blast
Jerusalem. July 24 - (Wednesday) - An official British statement today disclosed that two high Palestinian Government officials had been killed and 14, including Geoffrey Walsh, food contorller and economic adviser, were missing as a result of the terrorist attack Monday on government and military headquarters here which wrecked the King David Hotel.
waqasusmans 9 months ago
@sarigamir1
Toledo Blade - Jul 23, 1946
Jerusalem Bomb Toll Reaches 94
Jerusalem, July 23 (AP) - A swelling outcry of indignation rose in the Holy Land today as the toll of dead and missing in yesterday's terroristic boombing of the King David Hotel climbed to 94.
waqasusmans 9 months ago