So stefon you're saying that there is no remote possibility that God could exist? If you are saying that to state something without proof is absurd by stating that God doesn't exist without necessary proof is equally as absurd. I mean have you really proven that God DOESN'T exist if so how? Proof isn't always physical (i.e. the human mind, dreams)
So stefbot you're saying that there is no remote possibility that God could exist? If you are saying that to state something without proof is absurd by stating that God doesn't exist without necessary proof is equally as absurd. I mean have you really proven that God DOESN'T exist if so how? Proof isn't always physical (i.e. the human mind, dreams)
The best thing about God is the moral teachings. The ten commandments are perfect and the world would be a better place if people were to follow them. Science has no equal to the ten commandments. Jeshua is coming back soon.
RRRRR put on the brakes a second here. I am always late for information, I need some help here...ok"The story of your inslavement" was the first video I watched in this genre? for lack of a better word...now I knew there was a cage and I have tried to see it...that video pressed my face against the glass..thank you. I am not seeing how seeing the farm means you leave the farm...I am still a prisoner...what I need is a way to walk off...is there a video about that? to me freedom is now foreign.
Maybe the feeling thing is just produced from sloppy language. We call the results of a bee sting a "feeling" and we call our emotional interpretation of someone accusing us of racism or something a "feeling". They have the same name, "feeling". So why do we expect people not to confuse the two? Perhaps the single name of two distinct things is the result of some ancient error which is now "baked in" to our language.
I've been a hermit for many years... trust me, there's no escaping the farm. You can see it, complain about it, disassociate yourself from slaves, no matter what you do, the farm just gets bigger and more sinister. Short of global revolution to eliminate the farmers this will never change. Your enslavement video might waken some people, but all it will do is create more hermits, who still have to pay their taxes. I don't know the answer to defeat the farm, seems neither do you.
You say "to anyone that has a brain stem" and I wonder if you realize one does not do higher thinking with one's brain stem. The brain stem handles respiration, heart rate, and things of that sort. It has absolutely nothing to do with cognitive thinking.
you are a jerk stefbot...you talk like an asshole, you look like an asshole and all you try to do is debunk other people idea or information to make yourself but only YOURSELF feel better...you should be Politician
do you believe our societies heirarchy is a product of human ingenuity. I would agrue that vitually all higher level species that live in groups have heirarchy. A non-alpha lion is controled by the alpha male and female. Do you believe that societal heirarchy escapable? and if so how?
Everything you've said so far about the "farm" and this system of enslavement lines up very well with the message being conveyed from this video: ZEITGEIST: MOVING FORWARD (it seems I can't link to it)
Have you watched it? What are your views or remarks on those topics?
I am working on free will also. The trick is to get people passing your message on to others instead of merely attacking back. Philosophy that is not popular is largely forgotten which is unfortunate because I want messages like yours to reach out. YyMmLVOcaP4 is my first attempt at meme philosophy. The first step is not to look at the farm at all, but just create more freedom. Once they know how to meme they will see the farm as just another tired, old meme.
hmm dont go to the livestock that you know are going to defend where they are, join the ones who already know of the illusion. Hmm fascinating and probably the best thing to do. Instead of wasting your valuable time with those that will never see the illusion and will probably from that experience will never see it in their lifetime cause they made themselves even more believed to be true of their illusion and never leave it or see it for what it is.
@stefbot Hi Stefan, I'd just like to personally thank you for your video regarding financial debt. It has sincerely broadened my view of the whole situation and I haven't looked back since. It was incredibly inspiring! Thank you.
I love your reference to a dog with three legs, compared to limitation of thought when in response to external/internal stimuli. The reference reminded me of the Dog + Food + Bell = Eat experiment done by Ivan Petrovich Pavlov.
Interesting topics, and I particularly like the fellow slave enslavement viewpoint. It just bothered me that you said that one can't apply new science to old concepts, and that's obviously not true. Bernoulli's Principle didn't get invented. Atoms weren't invented in modern science, and we can certainly go back and carbon date things pre-atomic discovery. I wonder if what you meant was that one can't say "The ancient philosophers knew of quantum mechanics and that must have been their argument."
To understand the ruling class he is referring to I suggest everyone start your journey by googling following:
"House Of Rothschild: No One Can Understand What Has Happened To The Planet Without Reading This" .. click on the first link and start reading the chronological order. Wake up... great video btw. Love and Light
Rom 12:16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not be proud in mind, but go along with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation. hmm what you are talking about is good, but not new! Blessing's
I agree with everything except your take on God.Faith cannot be proven in the literal sense or it wouldnt be faith.You sound like a scientist that will not believe without proof and that is your right and I accept that.However,I have heard the voice of God answer a question I had and I didnt need "proof" of him prior to that.Organized religion on the other had is unnecessary as far as I am concerned.I can deal with God on my own and support the needy without the help of any churches.
So interesting you would "condemn" quantum physics' relevance while verifying its application to "leaving the farm". Have you by any chance seen "Kymatica"? (on YouTube, by Ben Stewart):
can't seem to attach it here......technologically "challenged"......lol.
did you mention hitler.hitler he was a bad man.....winston churchill he was a good man.....................but if your in a hot air balloon and your loosing altitude?................well i dont make the rules up do i............
did you mention hitler.hitler he was a bad man.....winston churchill he was a good man.....................but if you in a hot air balloon and your loosing altitude?................well i dont make the rules up do i............
if you can not look at history and see the jew kids of jew satan need to be removed, you are a fool. EVERYTHING ELSE IS BULLSHIT UNTIL THEY ARE REMOVE. Then, and only then, can the rest of us non jews can live in final and permanent world peace. You can say all sorts of shit all day but with the jew present, it is worthless. WHEN ARE YOU FUCKING PEOPLE GOING TO WAKE UP??!!
Thank you for opening my eyes to the bigger picture and focusing my mind on these thought provoking issues. I was an ex soldier of the State of Britain and always noticed an absence of the farmers sons on the front line with us cattle. If I had my time again, perhaps I would be a little less eager to wear their uniform and carry out their agenda while they are safe in the farm. Thank you Stefan,
@stefbot I agree w/ farm explanation of reality. i believe many balk at reality b/c if they see the farm fence, they can't see a way out. have you researched the RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION (David Williams)? I just found it a few days ago & it makes sense to me. After 15 years of law practice in courts, I always knew something major wrong but couldn't finger it. Now, it makes sense. I'd sure like other opinions on this theory.
@stefbot When you refer to farmers and whatnot are you talking about the ones who start the wars and never fight them, because that's I've been contemplating.
@stefbot thank you for the amazing videos. I have been a follower of yours for a long while. A question if I may?? in refrence to your "to see the farm is to leave it" what is your opinion about the images of hundreds of thousands of middle easterners collectively taking action and bringing the state down? where do you stand on the issue. Best wishes and please continue on the great work.
At 9:29 you point out the fundamental principal of disassociation from the farm.
It is my opinion ( notice the choice of words stef ..haha) that in order to truly be free you must disassociate your mind from caring what the other livestock have to say or think about you.
you should be a teacher i wouldn't fuk about if we leant about this i would listen for a hour then i would go and break the farm :D people need to work out what happens with government :D age 14
stef, you don't know everything, you really should stick to politics and philosophy and religion and child rearing and psychology and economics and ethics. ;-)
@grumpone You see the label "customer" is no different to me than the label "Slave" or "Livestock". As we now know (thanks to Stef ) slaves and livestock are citizens of the Farm, but I suspect that customers are also citizens of the Farm. Are you part of the Farm? Do you still want to leave me with that quote?
So my argument is that the process of natural selection favors those organisms that maintain the illusion of choice, because failure to do so, would reduce the chances of the individual to produce successful offspring.
There is no direct evidence of choice. If you're going to say life starts at the cellular level and therefor the components of which all living things are made are irrelevant, then why is the bulk of life made out of a few types of atoms? Shouldn't any atoms do?
Similarly, we cannot perfectly observe/understand/predict the activity within atoms. So we say if we can't predict it, it must have a random aspect, but don't worry because it doesn't count. Once things scale up, it's irrelevant because we are then better able to predict say, cells. I disagree.
Activity doesn't have to be predictable by us to have pattern. Reality owes us nothing.
Life is a trap. Can you live without food or sleep?
How could you live without the illusion of choice?
Wherever we find limits to our ability to observe/understand reality, we make statements of "fact" that suit us.
We can't measure the universe or see it's full history, so we created an explanation that mimics our own lives, without the uncomfortable dying part. It used to be infinite, flying the face of the law of conservation. Perhaps now the universe "was reincarnated via a single cell formed from a big crunch, followed by a big bang birth", and so it conveniently dodges real death.
"The Story of Your Enslavement" substantiates all of my experiences in magical America. I saw through the smokescreen of the Beltway Sniper, and wrote a book about the events. This enabled me to decode a riddle left on October 7, 2001. A child was shot at Benjamin Tasker Middle School. I solved the enigma by decoding an anagrama. The anagram revealed the name of a victim who would later be shot on October 11, 2001. Psychology of killing: What drove John Allen Muhammad to kill?
@TeunisD People are scared of the fact that reality is something else than what they ALWAYS thought, so they reject reality and attack the messenger. It's out of fear.
No offense meant Stef but I find it really ironic that you talk about the non-agression principle all the time then you invite everyone to a barbeque (nice of you!) to eat a bunch of harmless vegetarian animals that were more than likely factory farmed (if you made special arrangements hats off to you)
honestly I'm really surprised you're not a vegetarian I hear that the vast majority of philosophers in ethics departments of universities are, it's so inconsistent and irrational
@chrisplus23 veganism so much the better if you're willing to do it. I think there is a clear distinction between eating what an animal produces and eating an animal. For one, the second requires killing the animal whereas the first does not.
To be able to move forward it is vitally important that we are openly able to admit where we were - we had been brain-washed by the state into believing that we were free when actually we were living under rule.....many thanks to steffan molyneux for all
"Slaves attack each other for stepping out of line." -Stef You're description for the hierarchy is an accurate one. We're the ones who are perpetuating our enslavement. The sooner humanity opens their eyes to see that the farm exist and they are in fact livestock, (ie admit they've been lied to and are wrong/ irrational) the better off all us will be. Emotionally attacking each other slows our goal which is to inevitably attain universal truth. Thanks.
Stef, isn't "anarchy" just another name for feudalism?
How are you going to get EVERYONE (or even a great majority) to take a non-violent approach toward everyone else? Are you going to FORCE poeple to be non-agressive? Talk about a self-destructing idea! ehhh? What say you, sir?
An example of a stochastic process in the natural world is pressure in a gas as modeled by the Wiener process. Even though (classically speaking) each molecule is moving in a deterministic path, the motion of a collection of them is computationally and practically unpredictable. A large enough set of molecules will exhibit stochastic characteristics, such as filling the container, exerting equal pressure, diffusing along concentration gradients, etc. These are emergent properties of the systems
my son expressed an opinion at school contrary to theirs so they they removed him from class and took him to be questioned by the police. he says 'they asked me questions and laughed at my answers'
i'm being the best i can but there's so much makes me angry.
Well you still haven't defined free will... I kinda hope you'd get that one covered while mentioning my comment. I've never heard you define free will. Same way you can't seem to wrap your head around the idea that one's actions derive from their senses and interpretation of them in accordance with previous life experiences, cause and effect. Not morality, not free will. You seem to be making stuff up but i'm accused of it. It would be honest of you to at least give a definition.
@ExquisiteDoom Again, all my criticism was about is you not giving a definition (may be because i missed it but how would i know?) Stef. It seems to logically follow that if you yourself can't explain why and how free will even exists and how you can proove that a decision can vary IF and only IF you can rollback in time and see the results then you cannot proove that choice doesn't derive from morality or free will but cause and effect. We use the word "choice" as a concept obviously.
@ExquisiteDoom Also, i would like to state i have no ILL intentions, i genuinely want to know your opinion as you are the biggest moralist voice on anarchist youtube. I like to compare the results, but i have nothing to compare because you provide no answer....
social dominance hierarchies are universal in social animals. it's an organic thing. you might enjoy furthering your education in sociobiology, neuropsychology, human ecology, etc. gives a more...holistic perspective. at least less anthropocentric.
Hey Stef you said in this video at about the 6:00 point you try to be very specific about the words you use. If this is a truthful statement then why do you use the word retarded to describe things and actions and ideas in some videos. I work with and have for more than 30 years worked with people with disabilities. If you mean to compare it to a person who is mentally retarded then I have a problem with you doing so. If you are not then why do I fell so offended when you do so.
Thank you so much for these vids you do Stef, You always give me some great metaphors to use on my fellow 'free range cattle'. I just love the description of "broken-brain robots, spitting out fizzy spouts of irrationality and defenseiveness".
Keep up the good work Stefan, you heal minds and empower your fellow man to empower his fellow man to empower his fellow man to empower his fellow man to empower his fellow man to empower his fellow man to empower his fellow man to empower his fellow man
Mocking comments as not fully fleshed out arguments is non-fun which is how video started and almost had me just click out. I figured you'd do more than that, so hopped further in.
On a style of videos opinion: Be easier (for me) if this was multiple shorter videos with more specific topics. I don't have time to listen to all 23 minutes. The comments are also all over the place covering the spectrum. The max 10 minute rule that Youtube had on most videos had a value.
Yes there is a place for reason. Reasoning was not invented by philosophers or philosophy. Reason is a capacity of being, and not just of humans.
We also have the --i would say--deeper capacity of ecstasy, and for NON-rationality. Not irrationality, but a state of being which is chaos to the overly reasoning mindset.
@zezt pt. 2 In any talk about 'God' this has to be explored. What therefore does 'God' mean? What did 'HE' oppress? The Goddess? what does THAT mean... What did PHILOSOPHY oppress?
Can you provide a couple of examples of a fellow "slave" attacking over something one would do vs the state attacking over your doing the same act? Do you mean to compare peer or social pressure vs incarceration / fines /seizing assets as the level of examples? Or perhaps a fellow "slave" turning you in for something to the state, so they can attack you indirectly with power?
Maybe in another video or maybe you've already done a video on this and can point me to it?
All your video's are superb Stefen, but you should switch up the backdrop for your videos. Philosophy is irrelevant to so many people because it can't hold their interest (including myself at times). You are very interesting but you should walk around a bit, maybe go to a quite park or something. Anyways thanks for your commitment to truth!
Suggestion: Should anarchocapitalists call each other "slave", "fellow slave" as communists call each other "comrade" or religious orders call themselves "brother" or "sister"? A constant reminder of our condition.
"As soon as you get to anything visible under a microscope, quantum effects has long since vanished".
Is that an opinion? is it a fact? Care to show some backup evidence?
Different quantum mechanics would change the way electrons behave, which would change how chemical bonds form, which would change everything. Just one example. And I don't even back it up, I'm a real bastard...
The biggest differences between our world/countries, and a farm, is quite obvious.
An animal on our country farms can be the farmer. And the farmer once were an animal. And most of the farmer's near family are animals. In my opinion (yeah, it's an opinion, stef, live with it) that makes all the difference. The analogy is flawed from the get go...
Our world has flaws, but to compare it to a farm, is wrong.
It's not a farm? You're not tax livestock? Ok then prove it. Stop paying your income taxes and refuse to pay it from now on. When the "farmers" come by, let me know if you still think you're not livestock
You are right, I can't refuse to pay. And I would wish for freedom in that regard, even though I wouldn't use it to refuse. Because I'm happy to pay the money. I feel I get pretty good stuff out of it. I'm just saying the analogy about a farm, is a flawed one, because the very motivations contained within the systems, are so vastly different. I feel sincerely I'm paying for my own well being, not to pay an owner a salary.
@subjer0 A better analogy would be a Firm. Sure there are people in the firm who gets more out of it than others, but we work towards shared goals. To live happy lifes, and produce the things we need to survive. But yeah, I can't leave the firm, because I would always stand on soil the firm had used resources to cultivate and maintain.
But I'm from denmark, and things are so much better here.
Aww..to live happy lives and produce things we need to survive. Wow, I should move to Denmark, sounds real nice there.
In my worldview, the purpose of humanity at this point in time, is to make the rich richer. That's it. The system, well the EU and the American system are run by banking and corporate interests. If you look at the banking system objectively, you'll see it's a corrupt evil system that funds death and destruction.
The goal right now should be to ween people from voting, since that act surrenders their rights to other individuals. When politicians get 0 votes, we will have anarchy, and anyone trying to force us against our will with guns will be seen as the tyrants they are. This is why statists want everyone to vote. Without it, they couldn't show any extensive consent for their tyranny.
@therealdeal499 He has over a thousand podcasts and pdf e-books (which are also in audio format) for free download - no cost at all to anyone. It's ok if you don't like someone, but please do not lie to the general public.
man, im glad i stumbled upon your channel stef. i can't agree more, to everything you've said ever since i subscribed. (few months ago)
i just enjoy listening to someone who speaks with intellect and is on the same level as me.
do you know what the age demographic for your videos are and what comedians do you listen to? carlin? stanhope? hicks? probably should have sent a message..
But Quantum Physics IS important to Free Will :-) With the discovery of the Uncertainty Principle, we now have good evidence that the future is open. A universe with an open future is the only universe compatible with the idea of Free Will. If the future is not open and set in stone, we cannot have freedom, as the determinists would suggest. The Uncertainty Principle does not prove Free Will, but it does leave the possibility open.
It may be the universe becomes open with the uncertainty principle (well, it's maybe only uncertain because we don't understand why it really is quite certain, within its own laws), but this doesn't give much room for free will. At most it gives us random will, or uncertain will, which really isn't much better than no free will :)
You say that life or 'free will' does not occur at the subatomic level, but you didn't provide an argument you just said so? Sure I don't have an argument proving that life is found by some property or characteristic of subatomic particles, but neither do you have factual evidence that it doesn't. How do we know that we won't discover a property or characteristic about subatomic particles that explains life?
About hierarchy and slaves enforcing the state upon slaves. I don't know if any of you know Leon Petrażycki's theory of state. He stated that state is just an psychological phenomenon. It's an emotional projection of ones mind associating certain people with attribute of power. And state power is somehow corelated with experiences that make people believe that there is a need to surrender to someones will. Only then there can appear the ruler-ruled kind of relationship.
Try putting those comments (from 2:05 to 3:20)into the context of the COMMENTS they were addressing because you did not. The point is, you are simply making "statements" as well. There are no "arguments" to debate. We don't need to contradict your statements when you provide no evidence for your statements. You hold (and this is important) - the burden of proof. We just have to point out that, no, those things can happen and you carry the burden to show they cannot. NOT the other way around.
Also, I urge people to read the entire thread around those comments rather than take Stef's word that they are just statements. There are approximately 22 comments in the thread that contain those "statements", in which Stef cherry picks 2 that will not stand on their own without the preceding comment thread. If that is not dishonest I do not know what is.
The point about those comments is that ethical responsibility is what is incompatible with determinism, and that the conflation of ethical responsibility with morality and ethics is fallacious. This is what is pointed out clearly.
How do we balance the "no violence/force" parenting with the increase in narcissism? From personal observation I note the instance of narcissism is much higher in adults raised in this way.
What I cannot answer is that if the narcissism is the result of this parenting or the typical leftist propaganda and cognitive dissonance caused by the irrationality of political correctness and unrealistic multiculturalism.
Stefan, do you have an answer or statistics that counter the personal observation?
you simply stop asociating....? So anybody who thinks different is discarded as irrelevant, no arguments used. This is the behavior of a child blocking unwanted input. Putting your fingers in your ear and yell: I can't hear you!!!! This kind of behavior makes you a SHEEPLE. For the listening American sheeple: your nation doesn't did anything moral or ethical in the last century. If you want moral and ethics: read your constiution and do as it says. End your government.
Imagine, for the sake of the argument, that someone builds a incredibly advanced computer that can take into account everything in the universe, and by this I mean every cell, every molecule, every thought....everything. So this computer would have the ability to predict any physical event or any action you would CHOOSE to do, thus making your future actions "determined". Even if this computer knows everything you will do in all your life it does not mean you're not making choices.
@ZorrisPorris It's impossible to imagine something impossible, eg, a square circle. Absolutely no computer or brain can fully predict itself, and thus cannot fully predict the universe nor any particular event with absolute certainty since that computer necessarily interacts. So your argument is reduced to: "Even if the impossible is possible it does not mean you're not making choices.", which is not an argument.
@penguinpanini I don't understand how you can say that it's impossible to imagine something impossible.... maybe i don't understand your language but it seems to be a square circle is possible to imagine as evidenced by it's mention but i fail to see how you can imply that square circles are possible if i follow your line of reasoning. The mind doesn't seem to be bound by the laws of logic so i don't get your statement.
@ExquisiteDoom Erm, well sorry if that's too confusing, but at least acknowledge that my main point, that imagining an impossibility, has no bearing on any rational argument. I suppose using the word consider instead of imagine might've been more helpful.
Well the only problem still there is: If there would be free choice the computer would not be able to predict our choices, only in a deterministic universe would that be posible, and the universe is not deterministic ;)
Example: A computer can only predict the outcom of the trow of a dice after you have let go of the dice, before that moment he will not be able to know how we will throw it.
@Geertpieter I disagree because if the computer knows every thought in your mind and any external influence that will affect you before you throw the dice, than it could predict how you're going to throw the dice.
@Geertpieter Please elaborate on why not all factors can be known. Just because today's technology can't do it doesn't mean it cant be done. And could you point out that video I would like to see it...
Only in a deterministic universe would all actions have a cause and can be predicted, but since there is randomness (for example the way we throw a dice or wich lotery number is going to win) it is not posible to predict the future.
But if we would assume the universe was deterministic, the computer would be able, but it would also result in the absent of free will since there is no way to do anything else than what has already be pre-determined.
I'll use the computer example to explain: If u have a computer program printing numers at random, would it be posible to write a program to predict the outcome?
Awnser: No if the outcome can be predicted it is not random, so a random outcome can never be predicted.
@ZorrisPorris To understand data requires metadata, which explains why/how. A computer can't fully predict itself at any one time because explaining any current data state (itself) requires metadata (something in addition to itself) to explain how/why change occurs in the next unit of time. By definition, to know is to track truth, as handled by Robert Nozick. This is also supported by the subject of bounded rationality.
@penguinpanini I think i understand your point but i'm not talking about today's computers, i'm talking about a hypothetical supercomputer that takes into account everything including itself and the metadata about itself. And it's not bounded rationality if it knows everything.
@ZorrisPorris That doesn't just apply to today's computers; that's a law of computing and knowledge in general. Thus, your hypothetical is impossible and has no bearing on a rational argument just like it does no good to suppose 2+2=5 for the sake of some mathematical argument.
@therookie93 The difference is that a "god" would be solely responsible for your creation, therefore all your future actions would inevitably be determined by what he chooses.
@ZorrisPorris Yes but what I meant goes further. As Stef points out in another video if a "god" is all-knowing, he knows what he is going to do tomorrow. But if he is all-powerful, he would have the ability to change it. Therefore making it impossible for him to be fully in control of his own destiny.
We don't need a computer to do this. The laws of physics scale astonishingly well. We can now simulate galaxies in miniature in plasma instabilities in the lab. If we can produce identical conditions, in miniature, of our galaxy's formation, we can watch it play out its entire life span in less than a second. If we can observe closely enough, we can see our own past and future played out in miniature.
@fertilizerspike Yeah finally someone who understands me... I just used the computer as an example so people could understand but I was just trying to say that the future can be predicted and that there is no such thing as random...there is always a cause and an effect. By the way is there an article about this "miniature galaxies" ? It sounds like a good read...
So stefon you're saying that there is no remote possibility that God could exist? If you are saying that to state something without proof is absurd by stating that God doesn't exist without necessary proof is equally as absurd. I mean have you really proven that God DOESN'T exist if so how? Proof isn't always physical (i.e. the human mind, dreams)
Dominiquois 7 months ago
So stefbot you're saying that there is no remote possibility that God could exist? If you are saying that to state something without proof is absurd by stating that God doesn't exist without necessary proof is equally as absurd. I mean have you really proven that God DOESN'T exist if so how? Proof isn't always physical (i.e. the human mind, dreams)
Dominiquois 7 months ago
Like your way of thinking, stefbot.
Looking forward for another videos.
Gave me some cool inspiration for some lyrics for my death metal band.
Keep on the work!
000Mariat000 10 months ago
The best thing about God is the moral teachings. The ten commandments are perfect and the world would be a better place if people were to follow them. Science has no equal to the ten commandments. Jeshua is coming back soon.
DrReaper 10 months ago
Thank you Stefan.
The State is Horizontal. Finally a confirmation.
Peace to you my friend and good will to all.
TGAOTU\\\\\\.
MultiMindra 10 months ago
i watched 2 of your vids and i have learned so much
NARUTOLOVESHINATA202 10 months ago
definitely didnt think i was going to watch the whole video when i clicked on it. good shit.
CroatiasFinest1 10 months ago
Here is our idea for walking off the farm - it's walking onto our own farm. See the-communal-solution.us
We are beginning on 142 acres in Missouri.
TheCommunalSolution 10 months ago
RRRRR put on the brakes a second here. I am always late for information, I need some help here...ok"The story of your inslavement" was the first video I watched in this genre? for lack of a better word...now I knew there was a cage and I have tried to see it...that video pressed my face against the glass..thank you. I am not seeing how seeing the farm means you leave the farm...I am still a prisoner...what I need is a way to walk off...is there a video about that? to me freedom is now foreign.
offenwrong 10 months ago
Such a great video... thank you Stef.
texme 10 months ago
FEAR= FERTILISER!!!
impalapez 10 months ago
Maybe the feeling thing is just produced from sloppy language. We call the results of a bee sting a "feeling" and we call our emotional interpretation of someone accusing us of racism or something a "feeling". They have the same name, "feeling". So why do we expect people not to confuse the two? Perhaps the single name of two distinct things is the result of some ancient error which is now "baked in" to our language.
TreeLuvBurdpu 10 months ago
I've been a hermit for many years... trust me, there's no escaping the farm. You can see it, complain about it, disassociate yourself from slaves, no matter what you do, the farm just gets bigger and more sinister. Short of global revolution to eliminate the farmers this will never change. Your enslavement video might waken some people, but all it will do is create more hermits, who still have to pay their taxes. I don't know the answer to defeat the farm, seems neither do you.
ReligionlessFAITH 11 months ago
People who dislike = Illuminati followers
fenderwangcaster 11 months ago
You say "to anyone that has a brain stem" and I wonder if you realize one does not do higher thinking with one's brain stem. The brain stem handles respiration, heart rate, and things of that sort. It has absolutely nothing to do with cognitive thinking.
gertie2u2 11 months ago
you are a jerk stefbot...you talk like an asshole, you look like an asshole and all you try to do is debunk other people idea or information to make yourself but only YOURSELF feel better...you should be Politician
tubethatshitout 11 months ago
I am sad to say that this would mean ceasing to communicate with my family.
carriellbee 11 months ago
do you believe our societies heirarchy is a product of human ingenuity. I would agrue that vitually all higher level species that live in groups have heirarchy. A non-alpha lion is controled by the alpha male and female. Do you believe that societal heirarchy escapable? and if so how?
horsburgh 11 months ago
I can't find the part where he mentions his free book that talks about this, anyone remember what the name of the book is?
Is it by any chance "On Truth: The Tyranny of Illusion"?
elchafa 11 months ago
Everything you've said so far about the "farm" and this system of enslavement lines up very well with the message being conveyed from this video: ZEITGEIST: MOVING FORWARD (it seems I can't link to it)
Have you watched it? What are your views or remarks on those topics?
AbdullaF84 1 year ago
I am working on free will also. The trick is to get people passing your message on to others instead of merely attacking back. Philosophy that is not popular is largely forgotten which is unfortunate because I want messages like yours to reach out. YyMmLVOcaP4 is my first attempt at meme philosophy. The first step is not to look at the farm at all, but just create more freedom. Once they know how to meme they will see the farm as just another tired, old meme.
themanyone 1 year ago
hmm dont go to the livestock that you know are going to defend where they are, join the ones who already know of the illusion. Hmm fascinating and probably the best thing to do. Instead of wasting your valuable time with those that will never see the illusion and will probably from that experience will never see it in their lifetime cause they made themselves even more believed to be true of their illusion and never leave it or see it for what it is.
TormentedStatue 1 year ago
@stefbot Hi Stefan, I'd just like to personally thank you for your video regarding financial debt. It has sincerely broadened my view of the whole situation and I haven't looked back since. It was incredibly inspiring! Thank you.
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compasskumpas1 1 year ago
@stefbot. Your comments on vagueness and wasted typing space made me think of Orwell's online essay on "Politics and the English language".
Please do a piece on it and influence others to read and spread the word.
(It's free and available online)
carinum 1 year ago
I would like to know, hypothetically of course, what you would do (or suggest doing) if they came a knockin?
Oreontal 1 year ago
I love your reference to a dog with three legs, compared to limitation of thought when in response to external/internal stimuli. The reference reminded me of the Dog + Food + Bell = Eat experiment done by Ivan Petrovich Pavlov.
sysdrum 1 year ago
Stef,
I would love to do some caffeine with you sometime
alistairproductions 1 year ago
Interesting topics, and I particularly like the fellow slave enslavement viewpoint. It just bothered me that you said that one can't apply new science to old concepts, and that's obviously not true. Bernoulli's Principle didn't get invented. Atoms weren't invented in modern science, and we can certainly go back and carbon date things pre-atomic discovery. I wonder if what you meant was that one can't say "The ancient philosophers knew of quantum mechanics and that must have been their argument."
isonnol 1 year ago
To free others, then, is to free myself.
foxyfreaky 1 year ago
And btw, you are absolutely right.
The slaves who do not see are the obstacles to freedom. Very sad but real.
stillnessONtheWAY 1 year ago
To understand the ruling class he is referring to I suggest everyone start your journey by googling following:
"House Of Rothschild: No One Can Understand What Has Happened To The Planet Without Reading This" .. click on the first link and start reading the chronological order. Wake up... great video btw. Love and Light
stillnessONtheWAY 1 year ago
IF I WAS DR DRE I WOULD SAY... HEWLL YEAH
n0thin9man1 1 year ago
ive stumbled on this channel many times but after seeing the video "story of your enslavement" it makes alot more sence to me.
juneausucks 1 year ago
Rom 12:16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not be proud in mind, but go along with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation. hmm what you are talking about is good, but not new! Blessing's
Shema64 1 year ago
I agree with everything except your take on God.Faith cannot be proven in the literal sense or it wouldnt be faith.You sound like a scientist that will not believe without proof and that is your right and I accept that.However,I have heard the voice of God answer a question I had and I didnt need "proof" of him prior to that.Organized religion on the other had is unnecessary as far as I am concerned.I can deal with God on my own and support the needy without the help of any churches.
L1ngP0e 1 year ago
+1 follower as of 20 minutes ago :)
FallenG0d 1 year ago 8
@FallenG0d welcome aboard! :)
stefbot 1 year ago
@salo73 I'm on exactly the same boat as you.
FallenG0d 1 year ago
ty sr ty
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cprostudio 1 year ago
So interesting you would "condemn" quantum physics' relevance while verifying its application to "leaving the farm". Have you by any chance seen "Kymatica"? (on YouTube, by Ben Stewart):
can't seem to attach it here......technologically "challenged"......lol.
JoeLuke100 1 year ago
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did you mention hitler.hitler he was a bad man.....winston churchill he was a good man.....................but if your in a hot air balloon and your loosing altitude?................well i dont make the rules up do i............
robertowatsiano 1 year ago
did you mention hitler.hitler he was a bad man.....winston churchill he was a good man.....................but if you in a hot air balloon and your loosing altitude?................well i dont make the rules up do i............
robertowatsiano 1 year ago
I am excited to meet you too...what fun to hear someone else thinking like this!
Shamamomma1 1 year ago
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if you can not look at history and see the jew kids of jew satan need to be removed, you are a fool. EVERYTHING ELSE IS BULLSHIT UNTIL THEY ARE REMOVE. Then, and only then, can the rest of us non jews can live in final and permanent world peace. You can say all sorts of shit all day but with the jew present, it is worthless. WHEN ARE YOU FUCKING PEOPLE GOING TO WAKE UP??!!
attorneyskillforjew 1 year ago
Thank you for opening my eyes to the bigger picture and focusing my mind on these thought provoking issues. I was an ex soldier of the State of Britain and always noticed an absence of the farmers sons on the front line with us cattle. If I had my time again, perhaps I would be a little less eager to wear their uniform and carry out their agenda while they are safe in the farm. Thank you Stefan,
fannyrat 1 year ago 5
@fannyrat thank you for your wonderfully kind words, I'm so glad to have been of some help, and congratulations on getting out of the military...
stefbot 1 year ago 6
@stefbot I agree w/ farm explanation of reality. i believe many balk at reality b/c if they see the farm fence, they can't see a way out. have you researched the RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION (David Williams)? I just found it a few days ago & it makes sense to me. After 15 years of law practice in courts, I always knew something major wrong but couldn't finger it. Now, it makes sense. I'd sure like other opinions on this theory.
Marleyites 1 year ago
@stefbot When you refer to farmers and whatnot are you talking about the ones who start the wars and never fight them, because that's I've been contemplating.
SDub817 1 year ago
@stefbot thank you for the amazing videos. I have been a follower of yours for a long while. A question if I may?? in refrence to your "to see the farm is to leave it" what is your opinion about the images of hundreds of thousands of middle easterners collectively taking action and bringing the state down? where do you stand on the issue. Best wishes and please continue on the great work.
modify91 1 year ago
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Stefan Molynuex deserves to be compensated for being your target this year.
Please make any donation possible at freedomain radio dot calm.
eyejudgeeverything 1 year ago
At 9:29 you point out the fundamental principal of disassociation from the farm.
It is my opinion ( notice the choice of words stef ..haha) that in order to truly be free you must disassociate your mind from caring what the other livestock have to say or think about you.
mlmr11 1 year ago
you should be a teacher i wouldn't fuk about if we leant about this i would listen for a hour then i would go and break the farm :D people need to work out what happens with government :D age 14
cafc1996 1 year ago
MAN I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS YOU ALWAYS SPEAK WITH THE TRUTH AND SHOW THE TWO SIDES OF EVERITHING.
pvsg1990 1 year ago
MAN I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS YOU ALWAYS SPEAK WITH THE TRUTH BY SHOWING THE TWO SIDES OF EVERITHING.
pvsg1990 1 year ago
stef u are the man top man top being
adamowen30 1 year ago
Stef, it's my observation that you are beautiful. Not perfect but truly a beautiful soul, as fellow live stock I send my 'Thank you'. namaste .... TC
gaiabloke 1 year ago
stef, you don't know everything, you really should stick to politics and philosophy and religion and child rearing and psychology and economics and ethics. ;-)
TreachMarkets 1 year ago 11
@TreachMarkets haha great post, comment of the day for sure! :)
stefbot 1 year ago
@stefbot You're a breath of intelligent air.
I've been very bored of late as there is not many who have awaken my intellect as you have
mlmr11 1 year ago
@TreachMarkets in the video he clearly said your opinion doesnt matter... smh.
david1austin 11 months ago
@TreachMarkets idk if thts n insult or a compliment but no one can know everything
NARUTOLOVESHINATA202 10 months ago
@grumpone You see the label "customer" is no different to me than the label "Slave" or "Livestock". As we now know (thanks to Stef ) slaves and livestock are citizens of the Farm, but I suspect that customers are also citizens of the Farm. Are you part of the Farm? Do you still want to leave me with that quote?
nxk01240 1 year ago
Your awsome, when ever I read those statements I can only say to myself, "ignorant sheep."
BigballzDeep 1 year ago
@BigballzDeep btw I love that statement, "to see the farm is to leave it." Wonderful.
BigballzDeep 1 year ago
@BigballzDeep
Well "you can't see the forest through the trees."
ajtemp2000 1 year ago
So my argument is that the process of natural selection favors those organisms that maintain the illusion of choice, because failure to do so, would reduce the chances of the individual to produce successful offspring.
There is no direct evidence of choice. If you're going to say life starts at the cellular level and therefor the components of which all living things are made are irrelevant, then why is the bulk of life made out of a few types of atoms? Shouldn't any atoms do?
momentinpassing 1 year ago
Similarly, we cannot perfectly observe/understand/predict the activity within atoms. So we say if we can't predict it, it must have a random aspect, but don't worry because it doesn't count. Once things scale up, it's irrelevant because we are then better able to predict say, cells. I disagree.
Activity doesn't have to be predictable by us to have pattern. Reality owes us nothing.
Life is a trap. Can you live without food or sleep?
How could you live without the illusion of choice?
momentinpassing 1 year ago
Wherever we find limits to our ability to observe/understand reality, we make statements of "fact" that suit us.
We can't measure the universe or see it's full history, so we created an explanation that mimics our own lives, without the uncomfortable dying part. It used to be infinite, flying the face of the law of conservation. Perhaps now the universe "was reincarnated via a single cell formed from a big crunch, followed by a big bang birth", and so it conveniently dodges real death.
momentinpassing 1 year ago
What is your purpose? How do you measure your impact? Are people listening?
nxk01240 1 year ago
@nxk01240 I can leave you with this quote: "I have customers so I can build, I don't build, so I can have customers" - Howard Roark
I hope you understood Stef is doing it for his own piece of mind and satisfaction, which is the ONLY moral reason to do it.
grumpone 1 year ago
wonderful stuff. tx.
andthereisntone 1 year ago
yeh we are the self-appointed guardians of the status quo, like an immune system against rational thought.
chrisplus23 1 year ago
"The Story of Your Enslavement" substantiates all of my experiences in magical America. I saw through the smokescreen of the Beltway Sniper, and wrote a book about the events. This enabled me to decode a riddle left on October 7, 2001. A child was shot at Benjamin Tasker Middle School. I solved the enigma by decoding an anagrama. The anagram revealed the name of a victim who would later be shot on October 11, 2001. Psychology of killing: What drove John Allen Muhammad to kill?
MakiyahSaniyah 1 year ago
This is what I notice too! (About the farm part). That relatives tend to attack you on pointing out the facts of economic slavery. Why is this?
TeunisD 1 year ago
@TeunisD People are scared of the fact that reality is something else than what they ALWAYS thought, so they reject reality and attack the messenger. It's out of fear.
grumpone 1 year ago
leave the farm and become a stateless person!
LordAgonis 1 year ago
I love the way you think, Stef you ever listen to Alan Watts and if so, what do you think of his philosophy?
TheObserver2012 1 year ago
No offense meant Stef but I find it really ironic that you talk about the non-agression principle all the time then you invite everyone to a barbeque (nice of you!) to eat a bunch of harmless vegetarian animals that were more than likely factory farmed (if you made special arrangements hats off to you)
honestly I'm really surprised you're not a vegetarian I hear that the vast majority of philosophers in ethics departments of universities are, it's so inconsistent and irrational
RevolutionaryJam 1 year ago
@RevolutionaryJam hypocrite. veganism?
chrisplus23 1 year ago
@chrisplus23 veganism so much the better if you're willing to do it. I think there is a clear distinction between eating what an animal produces and eating an animal. For one, the second requires killing the animal whereas the first does not.
RevolutionaryJam 1 year ago
The state is horizontal -- what a great insight.
peterstoltzman 1 year ago 2
To be able to move forward it is vitally important that we are openly able to admit where we were - we had been brain-washed by the state into believing that we were free when actually we were living under rule.....many thanks to steffan molyneux for all
of his fine work
godkingofthepunks 1 year ago
You have opened my mind. Thank you so much.
TheAmericanMirror 1 year ago
To define "free will" is to have the power of self awareness to say; "I am", irrespective of outside events....
JimmyV2009 1 year ago
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A little confrontational.
Anyway in your video, "Loneliness, Hatred, Reason, Revolution - Freedomain Radio Listener Emails" watch?v=rfsgCep9INQ
You stated...
10:42 "We have logic because the world is rational"
Could you please explain that statement?
kokopelli314 1 year ago
"Slaves attack each other for stepping out of line." -Stef You're description for the hierarchy is an accurate one. We're the ones who are perpetuating our enslavement. The sooner humanity opens their eyes to see that the farm exist and they are in fact livestock, (ie admit they've been lied to and are wrong/ irrational) the better off all us will be. Emotionally attacking each other slows our goal which is to inevitably attain universal truth. Thanks.
ddarko2012 1 year ago
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ddarko2012 1 year ago
Stef, isn't "anarchy" just another name for feudalism?
How are you going to get EVERYONE (or even a great majority) to take a non-violent approach toward everyone else? Are you going to FORCE poeple to be non-agressive? Talk about a self-destructing idea! ehhh? What say you, sir?
mikem720 1 year ago
Why does it matter if the universe is in fact determinist?
therookie93 1 year ago
An example of a stochastic process in the natural world is pressure in a gas as modeled by the Wiener process. Even though (classically speaking) each molecule is moving in a deterministic path, the motion of a collection of them is computationally and practically unpredictable. A large enough set of molecules will exhibit stochastic characteristics, such as filling the container, exerting equal pressure, diffusing along concentration gradients, etc. These are emergent properties of the systems
Geertpieter 1 year ago
my son expressed an opinion at school contrary to theirs so they they removed him from class and took him to be questioned by the police. he says 'they asked me questions and laughed at my answers'
i'm being the best i can but there's so much makes me angry.
nettledned 1 year ago
Well you still haven't defined free will... I kinda hope you'd get that one covered while mentioning my comment. I've never heard you define free will. Same way you can't seem to wrap your head around the idea that one's actions derive from their senses and interpretation of them in accordance with previous life experiences, cause and effect. Not morality, not free will. You seem to be making stuff up but i'm accused of it. It would be honest of you to at least give a definition.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom Again, all my criticism was about is you not giving a definition (may be because i missed it but how would i know?) Stef. It seems to logically follow that if you yourself can't explain why and how free will even exists and how you can proove that a decision can vary IF and only IF you can rollback in time and see the results then you cannot proove that choice doesn't derive from morality or free will but cause and effect. We use the word "choice" as a concept obviously.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom does or doesn't derive* forgot to check my comment, apologize.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom Also, i would like to state i have no ILL intentions, i genuinely want to know your opinion as you are the biggest moralist voice on anarchist youtube. I like to compare the results, but i have nothing to compare because you provide no answer....
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
social dominance hierarchies are universal in social animals. it's an organic thing. you might enjoy furthering your education in sociobiology, neuropsychology, human ecology, etc. gives a more...holistic perspective. at least less anthropocentric.
alwaysamazed 1 year ago
Hey Stef you said in this video at about the 6:00 point you try to be very specific about the words you use. If this is a truthful statement then why do you use the word retarded to describe things and actions and ideas in some videos. I work with and have for more than 30 years worked with people with disabilities. If you mean to compare it to a person who is mentally retarded then I have a problem with you doing so. If you are not then why do I fell so offended when you do so.
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Decon21 1 year ago
thank you stef so much.
When i do have kids they will be so much better off because of you
thanks you so so much
Decon21 1 year ago
stefan, i have asked you probably somewhere around 25-30 direct questions since i started watching your videos about 2yrs ago.
never once have you replied....ever. what gives man?
capgains 1 year ago
Thank you so much for these vids you do Stef, You always give me some great metaphors to use on my fellow 'free range cattle'. I just love the description of "broken-brain robots, spitting out fizzy spouts of irrationality and defenseiveness".
Keep up the good work Stefan, you heal minds and empower your fellow man to empower his fellow man to empower his fellow man to empower his fellow man to empower his fellow man to empower his fellow man to empower his fellow man to empower his fellow man
RIDDIMWORKS 1 year ago
Mocking comments as not fully fleshed out arguments is non-fun which is how video started and almost had me just click out. I figured you'd do more than that, so hopped further in.
On a style of videos opinion: Be easier (for me) if this was multiple shorter videos with more specific topics. I don't have time to listen to all 23 minutes. The comments are also all over the place covering the spectrum. The max 10 minute rule that Youtube had on most videos had a value.
MegF142857 1 year ago
Yes there is a place for reason. Reasoning was not invented by philosophers or philosophy. Reason is a capacity of being, and not just of humans.
We also have the --i would say--deeper capacity of ecstasy, and for NON-rationality. Not irrationality, but a state of being which is chaos to the overly reasoning mindset.
stuff like that
zezt 1 year ago
@zezt pt. 2 In any talk about 'God' this has to be explored. What therefore does 'God' mean? What did 'HE' oppress? The Goddess? what does THAT mean... What did PHILOSOPHY oppress?
zezt 1 year ago
Can you provide a couple of examples of a fellow "slave" attacking over something one would do vs the state attacking over your doing the same act? Do you mean to compare peer or social pressure vs incarceration / fines /seizing assets as the level of examples? Or perhaps a fellow "slave" turning you in for something to the state, so they can attack you indirectly with power?
Maybe in another video or maybe you've already done a video on this and can point me to it?
MegF142857 1 year ago
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Wow, you explain that beautifully, "To see the Farm, is to leave it!" did you coin that? I've seen the Farm.....peace.
TheObserver2012 1 year ago
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Wow, you explain that beautifully, "To see the Farm, is to leave it!" did you coin that? I've seen the Farm.....peace.
TheObserver2012 1 year ago
Wow, you explain that beautifully, "To see the Farm, is to leave it!" did you coin that? I've seen the Farm.....peace.
TheObserver2012 1 year ago
All your video's are superb Stefen, but you should switch up the backdrop for your videos. Philosophy is irrelevant to so many people because it can't hold their interest (including myself at times). You are very interesting but you should walk around a bit, maybe go to a quite park or something. Anyways thanks for your commitment to truth!
martinkline 1 year ago
Suggestion: Should anarchocapitalists call each other "slave", "fellow slave" as communists call each other "comrade" or religious orders call themselves "brother" or "sister"? A constant reminder of our condition.
aristochat3 1 year ago
Superb...stefbot. I love your philosophy.
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gottogochild 1 year ago
"As soon as you get to anything visible under a microscope, quantum effects has long since vanished".
Is that an opinion? is it a fact? Care to show some backup evidence?
Different quantum mechanics would change the way electrons behave, which would change how chemical bonds form, which would change everything. Just one example. And I don't even back it up, I'm a real bastard...
HKragh 1 year ago
The biggest differences between our world/countries, and a farm, is quite obvious.
An animal on our country farms can be the farmer. And the farmer once were an animal. And most of the farmer's near family are animals. In my opinion (yeah, it's an opinion, stef, live with it) that makes all the difference. The analogy is flawed from the get go...
Our world has flaws, but to compare it to a farm, is wrong.
HKragh 1 year ago
@HKragh
It's not a farm? You're not tax livestock? Ok then prove it. Stop paying your income taxes and refuse to pay it from now on. When the "farmers" come by, let me know if you still think you're not livestock
subjer0 1 year ago
@subjer0
You are right, I can't refuse to pay. And I would wish for freedom in that regard, even though I wouldn't use it to refuse. Because I'm happy to pay the money. I feel I get pretty good stuff out of it. I'm just saying the analogy about a farm, is a flawed one, because the very motivations contained within the systems, are so vastly different. I feel sincerely I'm paying for my own well being, not to pay an owner a salary.
HKragh 1 year ago
@HKragh
What are the motivations contained within the systems? You really feel that you're paying for your own well being?
I don't think Stefs analogy is a flawed one, I think you're view of "actual" reality is flawed.
subjer0 1 year ago
@subjer0 A better analogy would be a Firm. Sure there are people in the firm who gets more out of it than others, but we work towards shared goals. To live happy lifes, and produce the things we need to survive. But yeah, I can't leave the firm, because I would always stand on soil the firm had used resources to cultivate and maintain.
But I'm from denmark, and things are so much better here.
HKragh 1 year ago
@HKragh
Aww..to live happy lives and produce things we need to survive. Wow, I should move to Denmark, sounds real nice there.
In my worldview, the purpose of humanity at this point in time, is to make the rich richer. That's it. The system, well the EU and the American system are run by banking and corporate interests. If you look at the banking system objectively, you'll see it's a corrupt evil system that funds death and destruction.
subjer0 1 year ago
The goal right now should be to ween people from voting, since that act surrenders their rights to other individuals. When politicians get 0 votes, we will have anarchy, and anyone trying to force us against our will with guns will be seen as the tyrants they are. This is why statists want everyone to vote. Without it, they couldn't show any extensive consent for their tyranny.
hughtub 1 year ago
Freedomain radio he calls his website , well thats a laugh .
Not much free on there at all and even if it were free i wouldn't download the garbage .
This guy must pull some of his ideas out of his backside
therealdeal499 1 year ago
@therealdeal499 He has over a thousand podcasts and pdf e-books (which are also in audio format) for free download - no cost at all to anyone. It's ok if you don't like someone, but please do not lie to the general public.
eulercircles 1 year ago
Two memories before the time of her passing is not many.
aghoranathi 1 year ago
man, im glad i stumbled upon your channel stef. i can't agree more, to everything you've said ever since i subscribed. (few months ago)
i just enjoy listening to someone who speaks with intellect and is on the same level as me.
do you know what the age demographic for your videos are and what comedians do you listen to? carlin? stanhope? hicks? probably should have sent a message..
aurlis2012 1 year ago
stef, when you say " this is how you save the world"
how do you know? what world other than you're own has been saved? are you referring to societies as a whole or something micro like a family?
capgains 1 year ago
But Quantum Physics IS important to Free Will :-) With the discovery of the Uncertainty Principle, we now have good evidence that the future is open. A universe with an open future is the only universe compatible with the idea of Free Will. If the future is not open and set in stone, we cannot have freedom, as the determinists would suggest. The Uncertainty Principle does not prove Free Will, but it does leave the possibility open.
AnarchoFuturist 1 year ago
@AnarchoFuturist
It may be the universe becomes open with the uncertainty principle (well, it's maybe only uncertain because we don't understand why it really is quite certain, within its own laws), but this doesn't give much room for free will. At most it gives us random will, or uncertain will, which really isn't much better than no free will :)
HKragh 1 year ago
You say that life or 'free will' does not occur at the subatomic level, but you didn't provide an argument you just said so? Sure I don't have an argument proving that life is found by some property or characteristic of subatomic particles, but neither do you have factual evidence that it doesn't. How do we know that we won't discover a property or characteristic about subatomic particles that explains life?
bball44j 1 year ago
"everyone is entitled to their opinions. They just aren't entitled to their opinion being a fact." so stealing that :P
Azmarith 1 year ago
About hierarchy and slaves enforcing the state upon slaves. I don't know if any of you know Leon Petrażycki's theory of state. He stated that state is just an psychological phenomenon. It's an emotional projection of ones mind associating certain people with attribute of power. And state power is somehow corelated with experiences that make people believe that there is a need to surrender to someones will. Only then there can appear the ruler-ruled kind of relationship.
MarekNR 1 year ago
Stef, when are you going to respond to SisyphusRedeemed?
watch?v=g9b7NheAsdc
irreaIist 1 year ago
Try putting those comments (from 2:05 to 3:20)into the context of the COMMENTS they were addressing because you did not. The point is, you are simply making "statements" as well. There are no "arguments" to debate. We don't need to contradict your statements when you provide no evidence for your statements. You hold (and this is important) - the burden of proof. We just have to point out that, no, those things can happen and you carry the burden to show they cannot. NOT the other way around.
trick0171 1 year ago 5
Also, I urge people to read the entire thread around those comments rather than take Stef's word that they are just statements. There are approximately 22 comments in the thread that contain those "statements", in which Stef cherry picks 2 that will not stand on their own without the preceding comment thread. If that is not dishonest I do not know what is.
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trick0171 1 year ago
The point about those comments is that ethical responsibility is what is incompatible with determinism, and that the conflation of ethical responsibility with morality and ethics is fallacious. This is what is pointed out clearly.
Thanks.
trick0171 1 year ago
How do we balance the "no violence/force" parenting with the increase in narcissism? From personal observation I note the instance of narcissism is much higher in adults raised in this way.
What I cannot answer is that if the narcissism is the result of this parenting or the typical leftist propaganda and cognitive dissonance caused by the irrationality of political correctness and unrealistic multiculturalism.
Stefan, do you have an answer or statistics that counter the personal observation?
RadioFlyer308 1 year ago
Do you perceive as though there is a fracture in the Species of Human?
I oddly feel we are at the junction of Neanderthal and Sapien. Or possibly Erectus and Sapien.
We are dividing like a cell - those who have evolved and those who can not. I think the Farm has become a Zoo. (Or Urban Habitat)
What do we do with all these animals? Where do we belong? What are we, the evolved, evolving into? These are answers to our future.
Nexus2Eden 1 year ago
you simply stop asociating....? So anybody who thinks different is discarded as irrelevant, no arguments used. This is the behavior of a child blocking unwanted input. Putting your fingers in your ear and yell: I can't hear you!!!! This kind of behavior makes you a SHEEPLE. For the listening American sheeple: your nation doesn't did anything moral or ethical in the last century. If you want moral and ethics: read your constiution and do as it says. End your government.
sowiesosso 1 year ago
Imagine, for the sake of the argument, that someone builds a incredibly advanced computer that can take into account everything in the universe, and by this I mean every cell, every molecule, every thought....everything. So this computer would have the ability to predict any physical event or any action you would CHOOSE to do, thus making your future actions "determined". Even if this computer knows everything you will do in all your life it does not mean you're not making choices.
ZorrisPorris 1 year ago 14
@ZorrisPorris It's impossible to imagine something impossible, eg, a square circle. Absolutely no computer or brain can fully predict itself, and thus cannot fully predict the universe nor any particular event with absolute certainty since that computer necessarily interacts. So your argument is reduced to: "Even if the impossible is possible it does not mean you're not making choices.", which is not an argument.
penguinpanini 1 year ago
@penguinpanini I don't understand how you can say that it's impossible to imagine something impossible.... maybe i don't understand your language but it seems to be a square circle is possible to imagine as evidenced by it's mention but i fail to see how you can imply that square circles are possible if i follow your line of reasoning. The mind doesn't seem to be bound by the laws of logic so i don't get your statement.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@ExquisiteDoom Erm, well sorry if that's too confusing, but at least acknowledge that my main point, that imagining an impossibility, has no bearing on any rational argument. I suppose using the word consider instead of imagine might've been more helpful.
penguinpanini 1 year ago
@penguinpanini Noted, thank you.
ExquisiteDoom 1 year ago
@penguinpanini Why couldn't a "super" computer/brain predict itself ? I don't see why it couldn't take into account its own interactions...
ZorrisPorris 1 year ago
@ZorrisPorris
Well the only problem still there is: If there would be free choice the computer would not be able to predict our choices, only in a deterministic universe would that be posible, and the universe is not deterministic ;)
Geertpieter 1 year ago
@ZorrisPorris
Example: A computer can only predict the outcom of the trow of a dice after you have let go of the dice, before that moment he will not be able to know how we will throw it.
Geertpieter 1 year ago
@Geertpieter I disagree because if the computer knows every thought in your mind and any external influence that will affect you before you throw the dice, than it could predict how you're going to throw the dice.
ZorrisPorris 1 year ago
@ZorrisPorris
The problem is your assurtion about the deterministic state of the universe wich is false.
Not all factors can be known before you throw it.
Only at the macroscopic level is the universe pretending to be a little deterministic, at the quantum level it is definetly not deterministic.
So in short, first u asume the universe is deterministic (wich is false)and then u try to use that assertion to prove something.
Theoreticalbullshit made a nice vid about this.
Geertpieter 1 year ago
@Geertpieter Please elaborate on why not all factors can be known. Just because today's technology can't do it doesn't mean it cant be done. And could you point out that video I would like to see it...
ZorrisPorris 1 year ago
@ZorrisPorris
Only in a deterministic universe would all actions have a cause and can be predicted, but since there is randomness (for example the way we throw a dice or wich lotery number is going to win) it is not posible to predict the future.
But if we would assume the universe was deterministic, the computer would be able, but it would also result in the absent of free will since there is no way to do anything else than what has already be pre-determined.
I'll look up the vid...
Geertpieter 1 year ago
@ZorrisPorris
I did a quick scan for that vid but i do not remember the name, the users name is: theoreticalbullshit
Geertpieter 1 year ago
@ZorrisPorris
I'll use the computer example to explain: If u have a computer program printing numers at random, would it be posible to write a program to predict the outcome?
Awnser: No if the outcome can be predicted it is not random, so a random outcome can never be predicted.
Geertpieter 1 year ago
@ZorrisPorris To understand data requires metadata, which explains why/how. A computer can't fully predict itself at any one time because explaining any current data state (itself) requires metadata (something in addition to itself) to explain how/why change occurs in the next unit of time. By definition, to know is to track truth, as handled by Robert Nozick. This is also supported by the subject of bounded rationality.
penguinpanini 1 year ago
@penguinpanini I think i understand your point but i'm not talking about today's computers, i'm talking about a hypothetical supercomputer that takes into account everything including itself and the metadata about itself. And it's not bounded rationality if it knows everything.
ZorrisPorris 1 year ago
@ZorrisPorris That doesn't just apply to today's computers; that's a law of computing and knowledge in general. Thus, your hypothetical is impossible and has no bearing on a rational argument just like it does no good to suppose 2+2=5 for the sake of some mathematical argument.
penguinpanini 1 year ago
@ZorrisPorris Ah yes... which is also the same problem with an all-knowing, all-powerful "god" eh?
therookie93 1 year ago
@therookie93 The difference is that a "god" would be solely responsible for your creation, therefore all your future actions would inevitably be determined by what he chooses.
ZorrisPorris 1 year ago
@ZorrisPorris Yes but what I meant goes further. As Stef points out in another video if a "god" is all-knowing, he knows what he is going to do tomorrow. But if he is all-powerful, he would have the ability to change it. Therefore making it impossible for him to be fully in control of his own destiny.
therookie93 1 year ago
@therookie93 hmmm very interesting point. i'll keep it in mind for debating with my catholic friends lol...
ZorrisPorris 1 year ago
@ZorrisPorris I tried it today... it's pointless. Perhaps someday they will realize what bull people have been teaching them.
therookie93 1 year ago
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@ZorrisPorris
We don't need a computer to do this. The laws of physics scale astonishingly well. We can now simulate galaxies in miniature in plasma instabilities in the lab. If we can produce identical conditions, in miniature, of our galaxy's formation, we can watch it play out its entire life span in less than a second. If we can observe closely enough, we can see our own past and future played out in miniature.
fertilizerspike 1 year ago
@fertilizerspike Yeah finally someone who understands me... I just used the computer as an example so people could understand but I was just trying to say that the future can be predicted and that there is no such thing as random...there is always a cause and an effect. By the way is there an article about this "miniature galaxies" ? It sounds like a good read...
ZorrisPorris 1 year ago
@ZorrisPorris
Why do you still incist on assuming the universe is deterministic when we both know this is not the case?
I already gave you an exapmple of a situation where we can see this in real life, you can look it up for yourself if you do not belief me...
Geertpieter 1 year ago