Suffering... it's virtually real!

[jamjargunning]

I might be one of a kind but I used to think without inner speech. I agree that alot of the time interacting with other people will more fully develop your thoughts more, but thoughts are not dependent on language.

[CaptnCooter]

You need not (and can not) isolate "the magical consciousness".

"From my point of view, the world - of being in the world but not of the world - the world is a series of experiences that are given to me in order to awaken out of the illusion of my own separateness" - Ram Dass

[CaptnCooter]

"Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes" - Carl Gustav Jung !!

[Markle6]

The bottom line is .... no one REALLY cares about you ... not the gov't or the media ... so, If you are not for you, then who is for you? Forget them ... Bail yourself out !!! They will not do it for you, they want to push you down ... stop your suffering !!! Read "Bail Yourself Out" by Michael Laitman PhD (seriously ... a gift from me to you !)

[parsleysprigs]

People are so lost in the virtual self because they are all trying hopelessly to figure out the meaning of life, Its very ironic your talking about the virtual self taking on a second life on a video that exist only in a digital world. It's purely electromagnetic signals just like brain waves, I grow furious thinking about how much suffering is being caused because people believe the economy is bad. It too exists only in a virtual world, suffering is virtual because of fear.

[parsleysprigs]

I watched that documentary about water and how it holds emotion and memory which was proven through flash freezing and studying the molecular structure on a microscopic level. I've been thinking alot about the oil spill and how much people ignore the presence of water even though it's in they're presence for the duration of they're life and even death. It holds memory and emotion not because it's conscience but because nature balances things out through symmetry. A new begging is on the way.

[worldtocandice]

You stated that with out the world there could not be an observer? Flip that with out an observer can there be a world? You say the world had to exist! But if there was no conscious mind in the universe to be aware of it do you think it would still exist? Or is it like nothingness?

[parsleysprigs]

@worldtocandice I think that is what true death is like, and we humans are sending the world in that direction. Even if your physically dead the world is capable of holding electrons which I believe is the worlds conscience, If your brain is splattered your electrons will be dispersed. Will you be able to think thoughts or will all thoughts cease until those molecules reform into a new organism. I think I will die thousands of times over before the damage that is done will be fixed.

[holyjesus]

We could have a consciousness if we were kept as a lab animal with no stimuli. We have a reality with enormous variety, but we each have different amounts of stimulation. The mind exists regardless of whether we have things to do.

[stoxocube18]

you are extremelyy intelligent

[Anaprince]

I've watched a couple of your videos and I just want to know... Will you marry me? ^_^ lol

[mkklmann]

Namaste!

[puremetime]

before language there was feeling and response to that feeling. i suppose at some level we wanted control and to know just be lead into something! thing is, when we are lead we are actually at peace but we like to question and analyse - to be ourselves.

[vanness5]

but nevermind all that, I just love when my comments use exactly the alloted 500 characters!

[vanness5]

~A memory of mine pertaining to language.

When I was a little boy we moved from Poland to the US. When I was learning english I wondered which of the two languages "came first". I am currently formulating this thought in my mind in english, put me back in poland and it only takes about 3 days for my thought processes to completly revert to Polish. I find myself wondering about life on earth for man before language evolved and how that related to thought vs expression in early mans daily life

[delerium2k]

I think that science is the only pursuit that can 'map' (quantify) existence. What it can't do is qualify. Science at the moment relies on reductionist explanations to describe reality. ie. Dr. Bolte-Taylor's mystical experience was simply a mix of neuron misfirings and chemical reactions. Absolutely true, but it was *also* a mystical experience. It's like arguing 'Romeo & Juliet' is just a succession of words. That's totally true, but it's *also* a complex love story.

[Pandanu]

...but the sense of connection we seek- to the universe, to others & ultimately to ourselves- cannot be felt through the impermanent & imperfect exterior. true fulfillment can only be found within.

[Pandanu]

even if we could more actively control the manifestation of our virtual lives, suffering would continue- because the root of suffering goes deeper than the objects that present themselves superficially within our lives. we attribute our suffering to external objects because, lacking a sense of connection to the spiritual reality beyond the material world, we seek fulfillment in them...

[BitchslapMonkey]

Let me put this simply... a baby is born in a box with a light. The light never goes out, and no one else ever interacts with this individual. As the individual grows, what will it think? What will it do? How will it survive? Lets say its porvided with everything essential to its existance... Would it be human the day it died?

[skyaglow]

there is no reason to try and compliment things

remember Jesus Christ works under the laws of simplicity. and mans ways are complicated

remember this....

many miss the mark because

truth is simple.

simplify

[Diazt3r]

@skyaglow

lol oh really

for me if god and jesus christ does indeed exist he is infinitely complex

[skyaglow]

He does exist and his teachings are simple and simply beautiful - ITS THE WORLD AND MANS WAYS WHICH COMPLICATE THINGS

[TexasTexan2]

We already have Alan watts ! , your just repeating what Alan said which is a repetion of alot eastern thought what your saying is nothing new . Your really not smart lol i'm so tired of you tubers like you destroy the ego stop the videos

[sfralinger]

you missed his point...sure he read Alan Watts...now he is expounding on the idea and explaining (using language to communicate and get feedback) this has nothing to do with his ego

didn't he say that we don't really understand what we, ourselves, are thinking until we explain it to another "brain" ?

[OhhFiddleSticks]

go away texastexan2 i disagree with you and you're mean. i don't have the energy to elaborate lol.

[jer414]

I really don't know why your advancing this matrix idea (traditional matrix idea). You seem to just assume it's true and yet have no reason for thinking it is in fact true. Why shouldn't we believe that science can "map the world out" of what is and what is not? I don't think we can control it but we can understand that it tells us truth. Perhaps your "matrix" is more sophisticated then I see it. I'm familar with Putnam's "Brain in a vat" and it's in that context when I refer to the matrix.

[redliterocket4]

The reasons I have are epistemological, which means that I am questioning what the activity of scientific investigation really amounts to. It seems as though the history of science is a continual shifting through conceptual paradigms confirmed based on observation. In other words, one appearance replaces another more experimentally robust appearance, but never do we arrive at the final true description of what is going on.

[EricOerinToo]

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[dianaroo12]

maybe suffering ends when we realize we are not separate, just one "being" having nearly 7 billion different experiences..ie being and human embraceing. living from right brain and left brain for practical puposes =the "right" balance.

[Mariborchan]

A great video.

[trickertricks]

the thought we create or control anything is a concept created by the ego. the ego lives in fantasy. it is not real.

the other thing i do is separate humans into two Opposite minds n i got this from the Greeks. Melancholies n Sanguines. "thinkers" n "talkers".

these two see two different view points of the same thing. both view points are real but one view point is Only "Half".

the discoverers of the functions of the mind are "ALL" thinkers. they "think" they see the full picture. but...

[trickertricks]

they only see half.. but they claim to get it all. no-one has actually looked at how the mind actually worked of the people who cocumented all the discoveries.

because the ego has been ruling the mind of 99% of humans over say the last 4000yrs.

humans have been "thinking" they are complete individuals. like "i'm separate to all other things". because of this they have not focused on their similarities. which is how i got to all the different subconscious minds i talk about. it is crucial..

[trickertricks]

to know this to be able to really understand what the documentors were seeing in what they were documenting. if they only saw Half the picture then it was Not Absolute. Most people when they talk about all this all talk as if all these dicoveries are Absolute.

then when we consider the ego. We understand that the ego is what makes people "think" they have worked things out when they haven't.

n i havent even started on the fact that most these things are incomprehesible to the human mind.

[trickertricks]

Fuck.... i should of done a video response.

hey dude... pls don't think i'm trying to blow your view point here.

it's just that people have missed this view point when trying to understand past theories or philosophies or whatever really.

the other thing people have missed is that when we go Deep into a subject we get a "Mind Buzz". n that is what attracts us to go Deep. subconsciously we are doing it for the Buzz. we don't ever get to Absolute Knowing. There is No Such Thing.

[redliterocket4]

You're right on about the mind buzz, I'm addicted.

Thanks for these comments, I have lots to think about, probably to speak about as well! Could you say more about the Sanguines?

[trickertricks]

the Sangines is a Huge n Deep topic as you would guess. but basically the Sanguines n the Melancholies have opposite functioning minds. one functions in paterns, while the other one functions totally random. one sees more the outside while the other looks at the inside. one has more of an interest of the surface while the other loves to go deep.

I do explain all this way deeper in my book.

my shit can take you to depths that would Blow Your Mind Right Out.

[trickertricks]

pls don think i'm pumpin my own shit here.

What happens is that once you go to Mind Blowing Depths too many times, the spin gets less n less. now what happens after that is that you get a Buzz when you take others there. it's COOl.

there is Depths you can go to that are right to the edge. i had to go there to work all this out many times. n this edge is close to insanaty. like you can only dip your little toe in as long as you pull it out quick. it's a Hell WikiD BuZZ, yr Mind tingles.

[Mariborchan]

It's called being extroverted or introverted. And like with any opposite in life, you have to keep them balanced. Like ying and yang. To be an extrovert you need one set of skills (fluent languange - body, speech, etc.), to be an introvert you need another (philosophical thinking, introspection, knowing where to learn from, avoiding mysticism, etc.). Temperaments are a bad construct,no man is alike, the only reason to use them is to form prejudices and to give you an illusion that you understand

[thedarkener]

A couple of thoughts.. I don't believe we necessarily have to think in any given language. The "voices" can be intuitional, non-language based thoughts.

Also, who's to say how many "Matrixes" there are? We could be living in any number of cascading realities. Given that, who's to say we aren't apt to create another?

[0ThouArtThat0]

This comes basically from Wittgenstein. Here is John Searle describing his approach: watch?v=cjZBNDW7DmQ

see what you think.

we certainly could create another matrix, I guess all I'm saying is it would be /another/ matrix. We're already in one.

[TellUaboutIt]

Have you ever wondered how blind, deaf & dumb people talk to themselves inside their minds, having never seen, heard or uttered a sound ?

[Censeo]

Thank you for this. It seems the ego is inheritly defensive to agree that society contribute to you, no matter what part of yourself.

[HaleyMary]

I also think that it's possible to be able to have thoughts without words. The only difference is that without words, people can't communicate a thought to others, at least not in a way that may be easily understandable. Good video.

[memblor]

There is technology that can filter and pump blood and supply nutrients to the brain. In the future (far!) there will of course be nanobots that can rebuild or improve the brain at a cellular level. If you want dialogue, then you can have a discussion with a virtual Plato, Socrates and Einstein. With your augmented brain you will have perfectly lucid thinking and imagination.

Of course you can interact with other humans. Just now they cannot kill you. You each also happen to be God.

[abilityoflove]

There is evidence that consciousness can exist out of the body. But, at the moment, scientists seem to be interested in that evidence as much as creationists are interested in the evidence for evolution.

[memblor]

would love to hear about that evidence. Go for it.

[abilityoflove]

No you would not!

[memblor]

yes I would. go ahead.

But let me guess, you have nothing?

Why wouldn't you be eager to share if you had it? It's so important after all.

[abilityoflove]

Some evidence is in my favourites. But why are you asking when you BELIEVE that such evidence cannot exist? Oh I know, you are trying to enlighten me, right?

What education do you have, by the way?

[memblor]

My education? I memorized every type of cat food available in Egypt for 7 years.

[zezt]

'we' is already living in a virtual reality! and that is the matrix. how i define it anyhoo

[Bellybusterr]

I do think it is possible to think without words. I do it all the time. I would like you to elaborate on what you meant by that. I suspect we have some different meanings for the verb "think". And keep posting vids, i really appreciate them.

[Bellybusterr]

It is definitely possible to think without using language. It would be nice if you could elaborate on what you meant by that as i don't think we give the word "think" the same meaning in this case. Good video btw. I really enjoy all your work. /Peter

[0ThouArtThat0]

One can visualize and imagine without words, but I don't think one can move beyond mere aesthetic experience of the world itself and into an actual conceptualization of its meaning without speaking or thinking in a language. Not that aesthetic/immediate experience should be seen as less worthwhile than language or thinking, I actually think it is where spirituality and creativity are rooted. There would be no such thing as mystical experience without the wordless imagination.

[0ThouArtThat0]

But "making sense" or "having ideas" or "knowing one's identity"... all these require public language, even if we are thinking about them to ourselves. Meaning comes from sharing a language with others. Maybe beauty comes from the kind of "thinking" you're talking about, which I just shy away from calling "thought" because it seems less concerned with turning the world into a collection of "things" and more open to relationship and contextual embeddedness. Thought always tries to disembed.

[0ThouArtThat0]

While intuition or imagination let reality be and wait for it to show itself, the intellect or linguistic mind tries to rouse it into some artificial display or another through the agitating use of linguistic probes and/or conceptual cages.

[Bellybusterr]

For an actual actual conceptualization of the worlds meaning one would have to use language, i def. agree with that. But other kinds of thoughts and practical problem-solving can be done without language.Things like deciding which way to work would be the shortest for example does not require language. You visualize the ways mentally, compare them and then make your choice.

[redliterocket4]

we are in agreement, then.

[patternsinchaos]

I thought you're matrix vids were really thought provoking and I have a page of notes for a reply... adding to them now. :-)

[redliterocket4]

haha, can't wait to hear it. I suppose language has meanings on many levels. I was disappointed that Gary interpreted most of what I said at a level I hadn't intended originally.

[redliterocket4]

I don't blame him for that, though. Words are just words, and depending on how certain people are used to hearing and using them, they mean different things. This is why youtube can be so confusing sometimes, especially when people with entirely different sets of axioms attempt to argue with one another about who has the truth. Usually no meaning is actually exchanged between them because words are being used in entirely different ways.

[patternsinchaos]

I see Gary as very sad and therefore mean individual. Ironic that his sadness may ultimately stem from a lack of spiritual self-knowledge. It hurts me to see him beating up on you Matt. I don't think this is making you stronger, I see it as shaking your confidence and wasting your time. You are the brightest person I've encountered of your generation. You have VERY special gifts of which you may not even be aware. It makes me ill to see you poisoned as Gary drags you into his self disrespect.