David Barton's lie that Thomas Jefferson started church services at the Capitol

[crookedcreek555]

David Barton has original documents and proof. He also puts his name out there for all to know him. Who is this woman? She does not put her real name out there and tell us who she is. What are her credentials? What has she actually read? What is her agenda? If she is serious she needs to come forward to the world and put her name on the line. She has not done so, therefore, she remains incompetent to debuke David Barton, highly credentialed and learned in American history.

[jfsfrnd]

@crookedcreek555 ''She does not put her real name out there and tell us who she is'''

Her name is Chris Rodda and she wrote a book entitled ''Liars for Jesus''

[TouchOfGreatness]

Interesting how those defending David Barton give him authority for owning a pile of rather insignificant documents. Does Barton own any of the thousands of letters by Jefferson? Any of the tousands of congressional records? And if he bought all of them someday, that would change - what? The contents of the documents do not change with ownership. Such a fallacy used by Barton and propogated by his apologists reveals that understand little about textual and historical criticism.

[GRasputin91]

@TouchOfGreatness Most professional historians (repeat, PROFESSIONAL) regard his methods as flawed and revisionist. Surprising? Hardly. Just another religious authoritarian with no logic, just an agenda to turn this country back several centuries.

[jayaye21]

I don`t know if Jefferson started church services at the Capitol or John Adams did. However Church services were held at the U.S. Capitol building from the time it was built until the late 1860`s early 1870`s when the church holding services there built their own building.

[socokid]

Exactly. Any notion that this was anything more than "meh, OK, use the chamber" is a liar.

[BenjaminClear1]

This woman is obsessed with disproving David Barton and Glenn Beck. She has no legitimacy. "Liars for Jesus"??? Really? Get a life lady.

[ROCwatchdog]

Mr. Barton has the writings of the founding fathers, actual documents and diary records of the founders from the library of congress. Those documents far out weigh this woman opinions based on 'feelings' or her emotional speculation. Notice when she reads this is from HER writings, her OPINIONS, again no factual documentation. She seems obsessed with this and it appears it is an unhealthy thing indeed.

[agarden2love]

You didn't prove your point except to prove that David Barton mis-spoke when he gave the wrong name for the Speaker of the House, which you also state DW later corrected on the Wallbuilders' website.

The truth about Jefferson approving the motion to hold church in the Chamber is valid. How about correcting your error--publicly?

[dquay11]

Get a life lady!!! Stop your spin!

[unlimitedaxcess]

My advice is that you should really say Liars Against Jesus.

[jfsfrnd]

Beck U - You get what you pay for. LOL

[jfsfrnd]

3-while themselves are the greatest obstacles to the advancement of the real doctrines of Jesus, and do in fact constitute the real Anti-Christ.

[jfsfrnd]

2-aggrandizing their oppressors in Church and State; that the purest system of morals ever before preached to man, has been adulterated and sophisticated by artificial constructions, into a mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves; that rational men not being able to swallow their impious heresies, in order to force them down their throats, they raise the hue and cry of infidelity,

[jfsfrnd]

1-Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval - Monticello, February 19, 1810

Yours of the 7th instant has been duly received, with the pamphlet enclosed, for which I return you my thanks. Nothing can be more exactly and seriously true than what is there stated; that but a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and

[Chuichupachichi]

This video is a joke. Barton says that the information which he conveys is recorded within historical documents. You say its a lie & that's it. What are the sources aside from yourself? Perhaps, your book?

The facts get even better. President James Madison called for another 8 yrs of weekly Christian church service within the House of Representatives

After the Civil War, again they had church services within the House of Representatives & they had the largest congregation in the entire country

[Yosef1952]

@Chuichupachichi Speaking of lies, do you know what else is a lie? David Barton's claim that he holds a doctorate in history. He holds no such degree. He has an honorary doctorate from a Bible college in Florida. He's no more of a "professor" of history than the average head of cabbage.



[Chuichupachichi]

Here's an interesting, accurate conclusion based upon a fact. On the first occasion in which they had church service within the House of Reps. President T. Jefferson & the Vice President took their seats & after that the congregation always left those 2 seats vacant for the Pres & Vice Pres. The fact is that they didn't sit with their wives & children which means that they attended church, not as private citizens, but as officials of the US government & sat together, President & Vice President

[Chuichupachichi]

Ultimately, even if your claim were correct, still, its irrelevant. The true relevant matter is that the framers of the US Constitution didn't include the words "separation of church & state" because they obviously didn't hold the view which is the Atheist's incorrect interpretation of the mere excerpt from Jefferson's private letter

[Yosef1952]

@Chuichupachichi You know what other words or phrases aren't in the Constitution? Jesus, God, Lord, Jesus Christ, Christian, Christianity, Bible, Holy Trinity. You may, however, note this phrase from Article VI: "...but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." You may also note this phrase from the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion".

[Yosef1952]

@Chuichupachichi You might also like this quote from Jefferson (1787): "Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." Or you may be interested to know that Jefferson rejected the claim of Jesus's divinity.

[Yosef1952]

@Chuichupachichi Jefferson wrote his own version of the New Testament. Why? From a letter to John Adams, 1814 (See separate post, as the quote is too long for You Tube):

[Yosef1952]

@Chuichupachichi (Quote, Part 1) "The whole history of these books (the gospels) is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from the cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. "

[Yosef1952]

@Chuichupachichi (Jefferson quote, Part 2): In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are the fabric of very inferior minds. It is easy to separate those parts, as to pick diamonds from dunghills."

[jayaye21]

Perhaps Jefferson didn`t start church services at the capitol, but there are written records of him attending church at the capitol. even after he became president.

[adentstuff]

@jayaye21 Ok, and Chris said that he had attended services there in the video. So, what's your point?

[31guitar]

How can we be sure what you're saying isn't a lie? Are we just supposed to take your word for it? Do you have sources? Do you own the most original writings of early America like Barton does? Facts are early america was very religious. No amount of denial will change that

[atobiajfe]

@31guitar How can you confirm that Rodda is telling the truth? By getting off your fat ass and looking it up, is my guess.

[31guitar]

@atobiajfe You could quite possibly be the dumbest fuck I've ever met

[atobiajfe]

@31guitar dumb enough to think you've "met" someone because you've read their youtube comment

[31guitar]

@atobiajfe How do you feel waking up the next day knowing you're dumber than the day before?