If infinity was really a number you would be able to have -infinty because every NUMBER has a negative side... If infinity was a number you'd be able to write it down on a piece of paper.
@TheFallibleFiend I would be flattered if you demonstrated on google images or something, of people writing infinity. Infinity is not a number if you are thinking of the term "regular" number such as 10,000, 50,000 etc. If you attempted to write down infinity you would keep going and going and never stop.
@Partyanimal676 I have never said that infinity is a number like a regular number. The different kinds of infinities are called "transfinite numbers" and they are often represented by the lemniscate, ∞ , often referred to as a "sideways 8."
unless u changed the definiton of what a number is, infinity can never ever be a number, it has no quantity - it keeps adding another and another and another. hence why it's infintiy, cause it never ends.
@randomlaughingman That's correct. It's called a transfinite number which is different than what we normally mean by "number." It is not a "number" in the sense that we normally think of numbers.
my theory proves its impossible for you not to exist as well lets basically take it as the universe is Infinite, now take all the characteristics that make you up, there just one of an Infinite No. possible individuals, you are Infinitley unique that might make it seem impossible for you to exist but in an infinite universe its invetible, so we jump from seemingly impossible for you to exist to you must exist as ∞÷∞=∞ thus you must exist. i claim full responsibility to this theory
I've been corrected many times in my life about conceptions of numbers like pi which fascinate me... but I think I'd say "in a rational base the digits of pi are infinite" to be careful, so pi is not infinite, pi is a finite number, oddly enough.
CousinoMacul made me admit this, if you are familiar with him or want to check him out.
not a number, it is a process, it means "always one more" as from the concept of induction.
I also do not think that 0 is really a number in the more general sense than that offered by the fact that it is accepted as one. I think in natural philosophy, 0 is impossible, you always have -something-, some hypothetical quantity of mass, space and time. I think 0 means "always less" just as infinity means "always more".
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A philosopher would care. And a philosopher would start from the argument over whether or not an el camino is a truck or a car and ask what exactly a "car" is and whether we can ever really precisely define the word "car" in an unambiguous way (probably not).
The only time I seem to see infinity used is in series and we see if the series reaches a limit. If it does we may have something physically useful. The escape velocity of earth is useful (and defined) because the integral to calculate the KE needed to get to infinity has a limit as distance goes to infinity. If it didn't have a limit, we would not have an EV. Again, infinity is a useful tool in series that have a limit as a variable goes to infinity.
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i dont see Infinty as a number but as an idea. I believe that infinty is a limitless expectation. Numbers go on forever and never stop as i was taught.
I have always thought of infinity as not a number but a set of conditions which define it to be outside though related to the domain of rationals. It must satisfy the condition that it cannot give a finite rational through standard algebraic operations, but a function which approaches infinity can be measured in the sense that it increases at differing rates as the integers input in the variable slots grow in size. I am,admittedly,a bit ignorant in the subject, being only a freshman math major.
As you approach 0 numbers just get larger, and larger and larger. Therefore you dont know the exact value 1/0 is. You can never reach 1/0. Therefore, 1/0 is infinite and infinity is not a defined number... you can divide every so closely to 0 until you reach a googolplex, my friend, but your never going to have a defined value.
I think you could create an anology between infinity and a number but they would not be the same thing. or you could create a concept of infinity and create a symbol for it and call it a number but they would not be the same. I think that is a paraphrasing of what you said. we don't know, what we know. ya know?
Hi, just stumbled in here and am curious - do you agree that the statement [aleph0 does not belong to the set of natural numbers] is true and straightforward to prove? (where aleph0 is the cardinality of the set of natural numbers)
I think the statement is true. I don't know whether it's easy to prove. I supplied an argument, but not a proof, per se. Without a proof that aleph0 is a member of naturals we ought not assume that it is.
Interesting - I'll try to fit a proof in the next comment, and would be interested to see which steps seem the least clear or need further explanation/improving. First, let L_n = { m belonging to N s.t m <= n }
Then the cardinality of L_n = n, for all n bel. to N. If aleph0 belonged to N then there would exist a surjection, S, from L_n to N for some n bel. to N. However, there does not exist a surjection from L_n to L_(n+1), for any n bel. to N. Since L_(n+1) is a subset of N for all n bel. to N the required surjection does not exist, hence aleph0 does not belong to N.
God's existence being the conclusion exists for both christians and atheists and both will bow down wether u like or not, and both will be judged by the decisions each individual made in this world that satan rules...choose wisely my friend, Jesus wants to be invited in ur home.
You make several claims and I have no doubt you actually believe them. However, there is not a shred of evidence to suggest that any of it is true, and a good deal of evidence to suggest that it's just fabrication.
In any event, these comments are utterly related to the topic of this vid, which is "Is Infinity a Number"?
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u wannabe intellectualz make me laff...ok, does infinity have a beginning??? ok does a beginning have an end??? ok, now, duz anything with a beginning need something to begin it or did it jus begin itself??? infinity has an end becuz to every beginning there is an end...this is logical...only God has no beginning and no end...can u intellectual try-hardz understand that???...lol
ok, my trailer park fetish friend ?...i remember a 12yr old kid asking me this question and even i couldnt understand this question, but i believe this question measures a man for what he really is so here it goes...."Is there anything that is absolute?"
Okay. That's your conclusion. It's not clear to me that anything like a God exists, but if that's your conclusion, I suppose there's no debate about it.
Full ack. On the contrary, it's quite obvious that no deities ever created humans, but humans created their deities (some still do), if you listen to "The Gods" by Ingersoll, read by Nick Gisburne: v=VJM5f1vKP6s
But I suspect you wanted to reply to BIZZYfob's comment, not mine. I'd just like to point out his style of writing which reminds me of Neal Adams' shown at the info page of Skepticast #51. :D
hahaha. Actually, I was responding to you after you corrected yourself (s/dand/dant/). Unnecessary, as your point was clearly and gratefully accepted. But back to the subject of your post, I agree. It seems obvious enough to me that no Gods exist outside of human brains.
infinity is NOT a number BECAUSE you CANNOT count TO infinty
KookyKitteh1119 2 weeks ago
infinity aint a number...
and 'aint' aint a word.
KanyeTroll 6 months ago
est (x) nes pas infinity ces un sinbole de l anonyme est la nonumes est valables naturellemment .mes esle été abson de la logique .ces claire
moussaouiahmed 1 year ago
es ce que le zero a un endembles au non
moi j ai dit le zero a un endembles
comment .(0) ecolade (p0f) (-0+)(s0)ecolade=Nu
moussaouiahmed 1 year ago
infinity is NOT a number ! its a description of a never ending thing
lets say that
X = infinity
and Y = 1
and if you add x + y it will be infinity +1 .. until you have found the number of X .. it is not yet a number ! its impossible
yet you can still use infinity in math even that math is allways about numbers
but it wont make infinity a number..
only a description of and endless high number and if you got infinity .. you dont need a number ..
wich all in all proves it all !
TechnoMulen 1 year ago
infinity is a number that cannot reach 1. 1 being the whole. 1/0.
AForkSpoon 1 year ago
If infinity was really a number you would be able to have -infinty because every NUMBER has a negative side... If infinity was a number you'd be able to write it down on a piece of paper.
Partyanimal676 1 year ago
@Partyanimal676 Actually, people can and DO write -infinity.
TheFallibleFiend 1 year ago
@TheFallibleFiend I would be flattered if you demonstrated on google images or something, of people writing infinity. Infinity is not a number if you are thinking of the term "regular" number such as 10,000, 50,000 etc. If you attempted to write down infinity you would keep going and going and never stop.
Partyanimal676 1 year ago
@Partyanimal676 I have never said that infinity is a number like a regular number. The different kinds of infinities are called "transfinite numbers" and they are often represented by the lemniscate, ∞ , often referred to as a "sideways 8."
TheFallibleFiend 1 year ago
unless u changed the definiton of what a number is, infinity can never ever be a number, it has no quantity - it keeps adding another and another and another. hence why it's infintiy, cause it never ends.
randomlaughingman 1 year ago
@randomlaughingman That's correct. It's called a transfinite number which is different than what we normally mean by "number." It is not a "number" in the sense that we normally think of numbers.
TheFallibleFiend 1 year ago
my theory proves its impossible for you not to exist as well lets basically take it as the universe is Infinite, now take all the characteristics that make you up, there just one of an Infinite No. possible individuals, you are Infinitley unique that might make it seem impossible for you to exist but in an infinite universe its invetible, so we jump from seemingly impossible for you to exist to you must exist as ∞÷∞=∞ thus you must exist. i claim full responsibility to this theory
The2012phenomneon 1 year ago
Always less would be negative infifty this is necessary when defining calculus function.
JamesThWilliams 2 years ago
I've been corrected many times in my life about conceptions of numbers like pi which fascinate me... but I think I'd say "in a rational base the digits of pi are infinite" to be careful, so pi is not infinite, pi is a finite number, oddly enough.
CousinoMacul made me admit this, if you are familiar with him or want to check him out.
pyrrho314 2 years ago
not a number, it is a process, it means "always one more" as from the concept of induction.
I also do not think that 0 is really a number in the more general sense than that offered by the fact that it is accepted as one. I think in natural philosophy, 0 is impossible, you always have -something-, some hypothetical quantity of mass, space and time. I think 0 means "always less" just as infinity means "always more".
pyrrho314 2 years ago
whos fucking cares. thats like arguing if a el camino is a truck or a car.
blessedchild501 2 years ago
Clearly the message was intended for those who take an interest in the topic and not for your personal amusement or edification. Move along. The kiddie pool is down the hall.
TheFallibleFiend 2 years ago
it's a car!
pyrrho314 2 years ago
A philosopher would care. And a philosopher would start from the argument over whether or not an el camino is a truck or a car and ask what exactly a "car" is and whether we can ever really precisely define the word "car" in an unambiguous way (probably not).
TheMathGuy 2 years ago
nice...
yoon715 2 years ago
The only time I seem to see infinity used is in series and we see if the series reaches a limit. If it does we may have something physically useful. The escape velocity of earth is useful (and defined) because the integral to calculate the KE needed to get to infinity has a limit as distance goes to infinity. If it didn't have a limit, we would not have an EV. Again, infinity is a useful tool in series that have a limit as a variable goes to infinity.
DiggityDogg56 2 years ago
Infinite is a process.
Ebdomos 3 years ago
No, infinity doesn't do anyting, it is just there. Endlessness, if you see it that way.
adamnew123456 2 years ago
yes.
pyrrho314 2 years ago
GIGO.
TheFallibleFiend 3 years ago
Infinity means, never ending, it is NOT a number!
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moonlightbateman 3 years ago
i dont see Infinty as a number but as an idea. I believe that infinty is a limitless expectation. Numbers go on forever and never stop as i was taught.
dannydxl1 3 years ago
I see infinity as an idea and a word that describes a state of existence without limits.
jeridfruge 3 years ago
I have always thought of infinity as not a number but a set of conditions which define it to be outside though related to the domain of rationals. It must satisfy the condition that it cannot give a finite rational through standard algebraic operations, but a function which approaches infinity can be measured in the sense that it increases at differing rates as the integers input in the variable slots grow in size. I am,admittedly,a bit ignorant in the subject, being only a freshman math major.
Baustrophedonic 3 years ago
lol u cannt say math u 2 fatties and u make recursion formulas r(fattie)=1+fattie which termiates when u blowd up lol
Clownhorseologist 3 years ago
1/0.1= 10
1/0.01=100
1/0.001 = 1000
1/0.0000000000000001 = 10000000000000000
As you approach 0 numbers just get larger, and larger and larger. Therefore you dont know the exact value 1/0 is. You can never reach 1/0. Therefore, 1/0 is infinite and infinity is not a defined number... you can divide every so closely to 0 until you reach a googolplex, my friend, but your never going to have a defined value.
calladuz 3 years ago
I think infinity is M = M when M is a mirror. If you but 2 mirror opposing them self you have infinity in a contained space.
Fusionicon 3 years ago
I think you could create an anology between infinity and a number but they would not be the same thing. or you could create a concept of infinity and create a symbol for it and call it a number but they would not be the same. I think that is a paraphrasing of what you said. we don't know, what we know. ya know?
bretvh 4 years ago
Hi, just stumbled in here and am curious - do you agree that the statement [aleph0 does not belong to the set of natural numbers] is true and straightforward to prove? (where aleph0 is the cardinality of the set of natural numbers)
mediteight 4 years ago
I think the statement is true. I don't know whether it's easy to prove. I supplied an argument, but not a proof, per se. Without a proof that aleph0 is a member of naturals we ought not assume that it is.
TheFallibleFiend 4 years ago
Interesting - I'll try to fit a proof in the next comment, and would be interested to see which steps seem the least clear or need further explanation/improving. First, let L_n = { m belonging to N s.t m <= n }
mediteight 4 years ago
Then the cardinality of L_n = n, for all n bel. to N. If aleph0 belonged to N then there would exist a surjection, S, from L_n to N for some n bel. to N. However, there does not exist a surjection from L_n to L_(n+1), for any n bel. to N. Since L_(n+1) is a subset of N for all n bel. to N the required surjection does not exist, hence aleph0 does not belong to N.
mediteight 4 years ago
Forgot to add - happy Christmas and New Year! and thanks for the interesting discussions...
mediteight 4 years ago
infinity is not a number becuase infinity is a sequence of numbers!!! it can never be reached.
warlock1276 4 years ago
Now why didn't I think of that?
TheFallibleFiend 4 years ago
God's existence being the conclusion exists for both christians and atheists and both will bow down wether u like or not, and both will be judged by the decisions each individual made in this world that satan rules...choose wisely my friend, Jesus wants to be invited in ur home.
BIZZYfob 4 years ago
"Oh threats of Hell and hopes of Paradise."
You make several claims and I have no doubt you actually believe them. However, there is not a shred of evidence to suggest that any of it is true, and a good deal of evidence to suggest that it's just fabrication.
In any event, these comments are utterly related to the topic of this vid, which is "Is Infinity a Number"?
TheFallibleFiend 4 years ago
theres no such thing as hell. and i agree with your answer, i belive inifinity is a number
BetweenTheFall 4 years ago
Kudos for pronouncing Fermat's name correctly. Absolute agreement here. Extra geek points for recursive programming skills.
leporidus 4 years ago
Recursion is our friend. tx, tff
TheFallibleFiend 4 years ago
Yeah, but: to fully grasp recursion, we first must understand recursion.
("That's repetitive!" -- "And redundand." -- "And repetitive." -- "And redundand!" -- Gilmore Girls)
leporidus 4 years ago
s/dand/dant/g
(I can do regexp me ... but YouTube can't. Sorry for the typo.)
leporidus 4 years ago
If your personal inclination is to correct typos, feel free, of course, but never feel obliged to do it on my account or to apologize for it. When they are infrequent, they do not detract from the content of the message or the intellectual capacity of its author. Some people's messages are so laden with misspellings, poor grammar, and incoherence as to be unintelligible. Yours are so far not among them.
TheFallibleFiend 4 years ago
2+2=4
tylorious 4 years ago
u wannabe intellectualz make me laff...ok, does infinity have a beginning??? ok does a beginning have an end??? ok, now, duz anything with a beginning need something to begin it or did it jus begin itself??? infinity has an end becuz to every beginning there is an end...this is logical...only God has no beginning and no end...can u intellectual try-hardz understand that???...lol
BIZZYfob 4 years ago
"infinity has an end becuz to every beginning there is an end...this is logical."
No it isn't. You are apparently not capable of distinguishing the logical from the illogical. Back to the trailer park with you.
TheFallibleFiend 4 years ago
ok, my trailer park fetish friend ?...i remember a 12yr old kid asking me this question and even i couldnt understand this question, but i believe this question measures a man for what he really is so here it goes...."Is there anything that is absolute?"
BIZZYfob 4 years ago
I suppose reality itself is absolute, but even that I sometimes wonder.
TheFallibleFiend 4 years ago
...well, my atheist fwen, after pondering for weeks about this question i came to 1 conclusion...God...God is the only thing that is ABSOLUTE...
BIZZYfob 4 years ago
Beware of the three question marks.
Beware of the ellipsis.
leporidus 4 years ago
Okay. That's your conclusion. It's not clear to me that anything like a God exists, but if that's your conclusion, I suppose there's no debate about it.
TheFallibleFiend 4 years ago
Full ack. On the contrary, it's quite obvious that no deities ever created humans, but humans created their deities (some still do), if you listen to "The Gods" by Ingersoll, read by Nick Gisburne: v=VJM5f1vKP6s
But I suspect you wanted to reply to BIZZYfob's comment, not mine. I'd just like to point out his style of writing which reminds me of Neal Adams' shown at the info page of Skepticast #51. :D
leporidus 4 years ago
hahaha. Actually, I was responding to you after you corrected yourself (s/dand/dant/). Unnecessary, as your point was clearly and gratefully accepted. But back to the subject of your post, I agree. It seems obvious enough to me that no Gods exist outside of human brains.
TheFallibleFiend 4 years ago
hardy har har...i will continue this at an opportune time...adios! and may the illegal mexicans get ur job...hahahahaha
BIZZYfob 4 years ago
Do you realize the absurdity of asking "Is there anything that is absolute?" It is a question with only one answer.
katanaking007 4 years ago
problem 1:
let m = speed of light. X = infinity
The speed of light has been proved to be a universal consistent.
This calculation below highlights this flaw
m x X = m
this is what would actually occur if there was any way of actually multiplying the speed of light by infinity.
m x X = X
There is also a possibility that an inversion thus:
m x X = 0
which would mean that the speed of light is then 0
scopeophile 4 years ago
I'm afraid I do not follow your argument.
TheFallibleFiend 4 years ago
bannana+me=yummy!
Thanx for the vid/info!
bubonicnate 4 years ago