Don't be ridiculous, just because people like O'Donnell can't get on the same level as David Rivkin doesn't mean Rivkin is wrong. Rivkin is a lifelong Constitutional defender and way too smart to put up with a bleeding heart blowhard like O'Donnell. Get over it.
Whoever the interviewer was didn't really want to have a debate. Very often when I see David Rivkin debated by liberals, they can't keep up with Rivkin on an intellectual level so they resort to emotion, which is a classic sign of a weak mind and even weaker position. Watch other Rivkin debates and you will see what I mean.
They need Jesse Ventura in on these type of discussion about waterboarding! He served with the SEALS and went through that school. He has the moral authority to put these chicken hawks like David Rivkin, Dick Chenny, Hannity...ect ect ect! Jesse would will really tare them a new one!
let's remember though, that dick cheney is no longer our vp, and he is a strategist. he may know that those memos cannot be found, or released, and meanwhile, he's shifted the focus from his crimes to an irrelevent distraction - possibly for a very long time.
Republicans always run when it's time to go to war and when the bullets start flying, but when it's war time ,nobody is more patriotic from the side line. Just like my first sergeant always said cowards always wrap them self up with the flag..
What's indignant about any discussion about is that it happend and no one is going to jail. Who's next to be swipe off the street. This is a dangerous precedent and we're bitching about the intricacies of the matter. I worry about trying to water down the severity of torture. This discussion is nothing but a preparatory stage for mass complacency. It's a damn shame that the "socialist" europeans would shut down the entire system if any of this was discussed.
You guys and Larry are right. Rivkin is a complete idiot.
And also, as stated by some-the SERE people volounteered. The reason I call SERE a simulation is this-Captives all say the same thing- The most horrible, most psychologically damaging PART of captivity is the loss of control, the helplessness and uncertainty--when will it END? WILL it end? No TRAINING can completely replicate that, adn that is the difference-ALL the difference!
I don't understand why none of these TV idiots make the obvious retort to this SERE argument.
Any waterboarding that's done under SERE is entirely voluntary. Servicemen are not FORCED to undergo waterboarding. They CHOOSE to undergo it. Furthermore, they aren't waterboarded 183 fuckin' times in an attempt to coerce information out of them.
How can these assholes apologise for torturers? Especially when people have been prosecuted who did it to our military personnell? It makes me sick! Let this guy "David" undergo waterboarding 183 times....let's see if he thinks it's torture then.
the guys who where waterboarded know that they how long it would be and that it would end. Most of then only did it one time. Lawrence O'Donnell is 100% right
Don't be ridiculous, just because people like O'Donnell can't get on the same level as David Rivkin doesn't mean Rivkin is wrong. Rivkin is a lifelong Constitutional defender and way too smart to put up with a bleeding heart blowhard like O'Donnell. Get over it.
NewYorkCougar 1 year ago
What a douche bag, this is the problem with govt. Only monsters get into power.
coolronification 1 year ago
Whoever the interviewer was didn't really want to have a debate. Very often when I see David Rivkin debated by liberals, they can't keep up with Rivkin on an intellectual level so they resort to emotion, which is a classic sign of a weak mind and even weaker position. Watch other Rivkin debates and you will see what I mean.
paper000000 1 year ago
Man,I would have loved to watch KSM being waterboarded...
mrbriscoe2001 1 year ago
O'donnell got a pair of balls.
0sAndOnes 2 years ago
They need Jesse Ventura in on these type of discussion about waterboarding! He served with the SEALS and went through that school. He has the moral authority to put these chicken hawks like David Rivkin, Dick Chenny, Hannity...ect ect ect! Jesse would will really tare them a new one!
CherokeeApacheIrish 2 years ago
dr. strangelove, jr.
baronderothchild 2 years ago
God, Rivkin is creepy.
PeterOrszagCallMe 2 years ago
Lawrence O'Donnell is a badass.
srchoed7 2 years ago
hells yeah! he needs his own show asap.
aviva08 2 years ago
aviva08 Re: Rivkin:
I can see it now: Sadistic Masochistic Apologist Undead Freak... And The Mindless Who Love Him.
leesagrrl 2 years ago
let's remember though, that dick cheney is no longer our vp, and he is a strategist. he may know that those memos cannot be found, or released, and meanwhile, he's shifted the focus from his crimes to an irrelevent distraction - possibly for a very long time.
ho2cultcha 2 years ago
Yes, PLEASE declassify the memos so the people can see what type of Nazi frankenstein crap was really going on.
GawdMachine 2 years ago 2
Republicans always run when it's time to go to war and when the bullets start flying, but when it's war time ,nobody is more patriotic from the side line. Just like my first sergeant always said cowards always wrap them self up with the flag..
Dblock7185 2 years ago 2
What's indignant about any discussion about is that it happend and no one is going to jail. Who's next to be swipe off the street. This is a dangerous precedent and we're bitching about the intricacies of the matter. I worry about trying to water down the severity of torture. This discussion is nothing but a preparatory stage for mass complacency. It's a damn shame that the "socialist" europeans would shut down the entire system if any of this was discussed.
TrueAmerica 2 years ago
Rivkin is clueless loser who cant find the truth from reality.
joespeed87 2 years ago 6
Defense of democracies? more like pre-emptive democracies at gunpoint&torture... oh look at that, petroleum, oh the spoils of "democracy & freedom"
doobtribe 2 years ago 2
Mr. Rivkin is slime.
carboy101 2 years ago 10
yay lawrence odonnell
ThemowofChow 2 years ago 3
A simulation of torture is not torture!!!
You guys and Larry are right. Rivkin is a complete idiot.
And also, as stated by some-the SERE people volounteered. The reason I call SERE a simulation is this-Captives all say the same thing- The most horrible, most psychologically damaging PART of captivity is the loss of control, the helplessness and uncertainty--when will it END? WILL it end? No TRAINING can completely replicate that, adn that is the difference-ALL the difference!
garthggarth 2 years ago 6
that was fun to watch
USB06 2 years ago 2
Rivkin is so completely full of shite... He should be embarrassed just being him.
leesagrrl 2 years ago 3
I don't understand why none of these TV idiots make the obvious retort to this SERE argument.
Any waterboarding that's done under SERE is entirely voluntary. Servicemen are not FORCED to undergo waterboarding. They CHOOSE to undergo it. Furthermore, they aren't waterboarded 183 fuckin' times in an attempt to coerce information out of them.
Makido 2 years ago 5
Makido:
YES!!!
What these Apologist Sadists don't understand is that is you think your next breath may be your last... That's torture...
Having a "Safe Word" that you can shout out at any time makes the procedure NOT Torture!
(Actually I have heard and read your great argument from Hartmann and Goodman and a few others)
leesagrrl 2 years ago 3
Dr Strangelove got owned.
Zakdayak 2 years ago
Why is this called the Ed Show? Someone needs a raise.
andid 2 years ago
Yet another chickenhawk who didn't serve! Are there any Republicans outside of McCain who actually served in the military???
johnedwards1968 2 years ago 8
johnedwards1968:
Nope... They all got boils on their asses.
Actually maybe it's a collective boil on their sense of Morality.
And McCain (the little grey-haired ass with the Anger Management Personality Disorder) spent most of time crashing airplanes.
leesagrrl 2 years ago 3
Rivkin's German accent doesn't help him one bit.
burntonion05 2 years ago
LAWRENCE O' DONNEL needs his OWN SHOW!!!!!
He inevitably shits on anybody who attempts a debate with him
GhostOfThe92503 2 years ago 7
GhostOfThe92503:
I love Big Crazy Larry. He brought hypocrite Pat Buchanan to the brink of sissy tears.
We need people as fearless and angry as Larry!
leesagrrl 2 years ago 4
How can these assholes apologise for torturers? Especially when people have been prosecuted who did it to our military personnell? It makes me sick! Let this guy "David" undergo waterboarding 183 times....let's see if he thinks it's torture then.
Hereticbooks 2 years ago 3
the guys who where waterboarded know that they how long it would be and that it would end. Most of then only did it one time. Lawrence O'Donnell is 100% right
masterhook 2 years ago 3
Now I like ED but in all honesty this show belongs to Lawrence O' Donnell
Officechick1991 2 years ago 3
Those two guys were having different conversations.
kelseywall 2 years ago
SERE = Survival Escape Resistance Evasion
sleonardelli 2 years ago