Lee Doren debates Charles Johnson at the 2010 FSP Liberty Forum: Part 1/4

[TreachMarkets]

The guy in the black jacket knows Lee's full of it.

[killa524]

The republicans backed by Joseph Stalin....lolwut!?

[tonygmilan7]

one vulgar libertarian (conservative in disguise) and one vulgar left-libertarian. i fucking hate both of u.

[tuttjam]

Lee Doren blocked me from commenting on any of his videos.

I was surprised to see him in a debate because he does not like to be shown that he is wrong.

[NewVinland]

Lee Doren has no clue what he is talking about. Proudhon said property is theft, but also said that property is liberty. By property in the first sense he means government backing titles and in the latter sense he means those actually putting use to land.

[TreachMarkets]

@NewVinland Also, Property is Impossible.

[bsharker]

Lee Doren. WINNING!

[avariceichiban]

@questionmarkjones Japanese were starving and prepared to surrender. US did not accept the terms of surrender.

[mikeyboy236]

@avariceichiban Sounds like a decent read got a source you could point us to?

[avariceichiban]

@mikeyboy236 Targeting Civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki

by Anthony Gregory, August 6, 2004

google it

[vaguelyhumanoid]

Charles Johnson kicks ass. Lee Doren is a historically ignorant fool.

[avariceichiban]

Lee Doran calls me a truther nut and blocks me for telling the truth about Hiroshima, Nagasaki

[PeteEyre]

Thanks for capturing/sharing Bile!

[educatedidiot0]

you know i don't get these ppl saying this charles character is an idiot. he has valid beliefs just as lee doren. he just doesn't understand that ppl are greedy. they simply don't work like that. these guys both believe that the other is wrong. as long as we believe other pls lifestyles are wrong we cannot be free.

[QuartuvLarry]

The ONLY way voluntary socialism could even begin to hope to work is at the level of commune. It absolutely will NEVER work on a state, much less national level.

[UnitDave]

This Charles Johnson guy is a real idiot.

[vaguelyhumanoid]

@UnitDave Why do you think that? He's a fucking genius.

[Cujo69]

@UnitDave Explain.

[fitedeltachi]

Charles Johnson is a fucking idiot!

[Cujo69]

@fitedeltachi How so?

[ericfontainejazz]

Charles Johnson from the Alliance of the Libertarian Left debates conservative ideologue Lee Doren.

[upandopen]

@ericfontainejazz

Presumably since you believe Charles Johnson is rational and Lee Doren is an ideologue, then it should be really easy for you to rebut his arguments. Correct?

[brainpolice2]

Lee Doren is mostly a conservative ideologue.

[vanderbilt887]

I've had exhanges with this clown on anthropogenic global warming. He is indeed a conservative ideologue who thinks that everyone who disagrees with him is a "Marxist hack" and everyone who does agree with him is a right-wing libertarian (ha! how 'bout ol' redneck Beckophiles).

[vanderbilt887]

Furthermore, he doesn't believe in freedom of speech since he blocked me from his channel, simply for disagreeing with him (I think it has something to do with his inability to counter rational arguments as well). On top of that, he adopts dishonest and sly tactics, as is evident from his "exchange" with liberalviewer, who basicly ripped him apart.

[gibblets17]

@vanderbilt887 yeah i have only seen him ban people who spam his channel. i have disagreed with him and posted it right in his channel. but i did it in a respectful informed way. u should try it it works wonders!

[Nawledge1]

@gibblets17

He blocked me when I identified myself as left wing. I left four comments on his channel on two different vids. FOUR. No spam. Lee is an epic douche.

[carlindelco]

@vanderbilt887 Hahhah u said "globul warming" hahha that's a sham haven't u heard...ur the ideologue and are evidently illiterate....I think I hear your mom calling u up for dinner...

[smashzaxlebax]

@TheElMoIsEviL The example they talk about is the CNT. Charles points out that he disagrees with those in the CNT who did this. Of course this is part of the individualist anarchist critique of collectivist and communist anarchism, all within the traditional anarchist movement, which is socialist.

[comradshaw]

I have serious problems with the idea that expropriation is somehow antithetical to anarchism. This is simply bullshit. Anarchists are anti-capitalist. Expropriation has to occur if capitalism is to be abolished.

[Peacehand]

This kind of pseudo-intellectual wanking is so infuriating. "These dead people did this, so what you believe is invalidated."

Annoying. I hope the debate actually gets to modern application of ideals.

[InsurgenistCujo]

I love how Lee Doren talks about as if he knows what went on in Anarchist Catalonia (Not saying that I do) and how it came to it's demise. The common error people make when trying to refute anarchists. "We want to collectively force everyone to be collective and not individualist! Us meany anarchists." lol

[facety]

I like how you can see Darian start laughing behind Lee when he started in on his "murdering, thieving anarchist" shtick. Start at about 05:30.

[PeteEyre]

@facety Hilarious

[charlesdexterward666]

"...the bottom claim of Socialism that labor should be put in possession of its own." - Benjamin Tucker.

"I am an Anarchist, simply, without economic label attached. " - Voltairine de Cleyre

[asdfgasdfasdful]

"Capitalism is at least tolerable, which cannot be said of Socialism or Communism."

- Benjamin Tucker

"Capitalistic Anarchism? Oh, yes, if you choose to call it so. Names are indifferent to me; I am not afraid of bugaboos. Let it be so, then, capitalistic Anarchism."

- Voltairine de Cleyre

[DonKhoi]

@asdfgasdfasdful:

"Let them produce together, co-operatively rather than as employer and employed; let them fraternize group by group, let each use what he needs of his own product, and deposit the rest in the storage-houses, and let those others who need goods have them as occasion arises."

Why I Am An Anarchist (1897), Voltairine de Cleyre

She was a closet Anarcho-Communist, although she refused to accept that label.