I am afraid you will never understand the argument and I am done with you. I do hate to see you trash a reputation without facts though. Here's a reference from the Miami Herald (miami herald.com/2010/06/11/1674327_p2/was-candidate-involved-in-us-healthcare.html) "Was Scott close to going to prison for his part in the case? It appears not at all. The former CEO was never indicted and was never questioned in the case .." Study and equip yourself before jumping in over UR head again
@wildbobandronnie btw, that's EXACTLY my point here. the backbone of conservative politics is to make formerly illegal crony capitalism legal & call it freedom. that's what's most destructive since Reagan: massive deregulation and a model of capitalism where every government job is outsourced to politically connected cronies. that's why during Reagan/Bush we saw public sector employees and unions slashed and replaced by expensive private sector cronies and the national debt quadrupled!
I have serious reservations about continuing this since you obviously do not understand the argument. Let me make it simple: Is the book free? According to your reasoning we should be able to acquire a copy of any book, reprint and distribute it while returning nothing to the author. Sooner or later the producers stop producing. Is this too complicated for a world traveler like yourself?
@wildbobandronnie You are seriously comparing the creation of the National Park Service, complete with Yosemite and Yellowstone with personal gains like Rick Scott making billions defrauding Medicare, being sued for it and paying settlement or Bush using his political connections to use eminent domain to make money PERSONALLY on land speculation, or Scott Walker in WI who's company making 100% of its profits on government contracts which he's getting because of crony capitalism?! R U insane?!
So it is alright to steal so long as you are stealing for the public good and according to your definition of the public good? Which one of those Roosevelst died in poverty? Unless you provide some proof that you understand the argument I see no point in going further.
@wildbobandronnie Of course it is: it's called the "public good" and it's not stealing, just as taxation is not stealing: it's a constitutional right of government. God, you are arrogant!
@wildbobandronnie But it's not even necessary to go to the 20th century: just go down the list of "Tea Party" republicans. Rick Scott, the new gov of FL: a healthcare billionaire who defrauded medicare at the tune of billions for personal gain. The whole "tea party" was funded and their freshmen in congress are working on behalf of the cleptocracy, and their job in congress is to keep poking holes in the very fabric of the US tax code and capitalism for the personal gain of a few oligarchs.
Marlin Stutzman's (R-IN) chief of staff Tim Harris works as lobbyist for a trade association representing the shareholders of energy companies like American Electric Power, Duke Energy, NiSource, Vectren. Mike Pompeo's (R-KS) COS Mark Chenowerth lawyer on the lobbying team for Koch Industries. Robert Dold (R-IL): Eric Burgeson from BGR Holdings serving business clients in China, the coal industry, and a nuclear company.
Teddy, the other Roosevelt and an original Progressive, carried on the same proud tradition of Eminent Domain by stealing property for parks. I could mention more, but a world traveler like you probably does not have time for this. You might want to look up the Kelo Decision and the five Liberal justices who helped the crony capitalists steal. I know you will be surprised, but history did not start with Bush.
@wildbobandronnie So how much did teh Roosevelts profit personally from benefiting the whole country?! LOL! Creating the national parking system is just like pocketing the profits from selling a baseball team with a brand new stadium... You people are funny!
You might try addressing the original question; is the book free? Prove your case about property rights -- examples, examples. Anybody can buy a plane ticket or hobo a train and take their ignorance around the world. Neither activity teaches you history. It does spread ignorance.
@wildbobandronnie wow! I actually have a hard time deciding if your arrogance is greater than your stupidity! Ever heard of eminent domain?! google: Bush and The Texas Land Grab or watch the interview with financial reporter David Cay Johnston to learn how Bush made money on the Texas Rangers sale. Typical conservative crony capitalism: talentless trustfund baby uses his family connections to steal from the public.
@madashelldude Who did you lefties blame before Bush? I am delighted to know that you are aware of the difference in crony capitalism and true capitalism. We might even agree on this point. Eminent Domain? That is the tool FDR used when he stole the Tennessee Valley isn't it? Have you ever heard of FDR (Franklin Roosevelt)? He was one of those old Liberals you seem to think were so much better than the current version. Andrew Jackson stole the Indian land. (continued)
@wildbobandronnie "Local voters overwhelmingly approved the deal, so maybe we shouldn't get so exercised by star-struck local officials giving $200 million to rich baseball owners. But the most unseemly part of the deal was that Mr. Bush and the Rangers' owners conspired with city officials to seize private property that would be handed over to the Bush group. "
madashelldude You might want to study history just a bit. Try researching more than the left wing dogma. When you have educated yourself check back. I never argue with anyone who does not understand the argument. Have a nice day.
@wildbobandronnie LOL! care to mention 1 specific thing that u want me to "research"?! Gosh, I've seen ignorant people world wide, I travel and lived in 3 countries: none as ignorant and cocky at the same time as US conservatives!
@wildbobandronnie The left has more respect for property rights & capitalism than the right wing will EVER have: conservatives are destroying property rights and free markets. It happened in the Great Depression, and it happened with the mortgage meltdown: crony politically connected trustfund babies poked enough holes in the capitalist system of laws and regulations as well as the tax code that it's crumbling and the only fault of liberals today is that they don't measure up to past liberals.
Hartmann cuts through the bullshit of free market ideology. It's just a fact that, besides a bartering system on the local level, there is no such thing as a free market. Any largescale system of capitalism is inevitably regulated or controlled in some manner. If the government isn't regulating, wealthy capitalists will try to gain control. Even if there is regulation, they'll try to control the regulation and the regulators. Only a strong independent govt can protect against this.
I am afraid you will never understand the argument and I am done with you. I do hate to see you trash a reputation without facts though. Here's a reference from the Miami Herald (miami herald.com/2010/06/11/1674327_p2/was-candidate-involved-in-us-healthcare.html) "Was Scott close to going to prison for his part in the case? It appears not at all. The former CEO was never indicted and was never questioned in the case .." Study and equip yourself before jumping in over UR head again
wildbobandronnie 1 year ago
@wildbobandronnie I never said he was indicted: I said he is a crony capitalist intent on destroying capitalism.
madashelldude 1 year ago
@wildbobandronnie btw, that's EXACTLY my point here. the backbone of conservative politics is to make formerly illegal crony capitalism legal & call it freedom. that's what's most destructive since Reagan: massive deregulation and a model of capitalism where every government job is outsourced to politically connected cronies. that's why during Reagan/Bush we saw public sector employees and unions slashed and replaced by expensive private sector cronies and the national debt quadrupled!
madashelldude 1 year ago
I have serious reservations about continuing this since you obviously do not understand the argument. Let me make it simple: Is the book free? According to your reasoning we should be able to acquire a copy of any book, reprint and distribute it while returning nothing to the author. Sooner or later the producers stop producing. Is this too complicated for a world traveler like yourself?
wildbobandronnie 1 year ago
@wildbobandronnie You are seriously comparing the creation of the National Park Service, complete with Yosemite and Yellowstone with personal gains like Rick Scott making billions defrauding Medicare, being sued for it and paying settlement or Bush using his political connections to use eminent domain to make money PERSONALLY on land speculation, or Scott Walker in WI who's company making 100% of its profits on government contracts which he's getting because of crony capitalism?! R U insane?!
madashelldude 1 year ago
So it is alright to steal so long as you are stealing for the public good and according to your definition of the public good? Which one of those Roosevelst died in poverty? Unless you provide some proof that you understand the argument I see no point in going further.
wildbobandronnie 1 year ago
@wildbobandronnie Of course it is: it's called the "public good" and it's not stealing, just as taxation is not stealing: it's a constitutional right of government. God, you are arrogant!
madashelldude 1 year ago
@wildbobandronnie But it's not even necessary to go to the 20th century: just go down the list of "Tea Party" republicans. Rick Scott, the new gov of FL: a healthcare billionaire who defrauded medicare at the tune of billions for personal gain. The whole "tea party" was funded and their freshmen in congress are working on behalf of the cleptocracy, and their job in congress is to keep poking holes in the very fabric of the US tax code and capitalism for the personal gain of a few oligarchs.
madashelldude 1 year ago
@wildbobandronnie Here are some of the new Tea Party members:
Marlin Stutzman's (R-IN) chief of staff Tim Harris works as lobbyist for a trade association representing the shareholders of energy companies like American Electric Power, Duke Energy, NiSource, Vectren. Mike Pompeo's (R-KS) COS Mark Chenowerth lawyer on the lobbying team for Koch Industries. Robert Dold (R-IL): Eric Burgeson from BGR Holdings serving business clients in China, the coal industry, and a nuclear company.
and so on!
madashelldude 1 year ago
Teddy, the other Roosevelt and an original Progressive, carried on the same proud tradition of Eminent Domain by stealing property for parks. I could mention more, but a world traveler like you probably does not have time for this. You might want to look up the Kelo Decision and the five Liberal justices who helped the crony capitalists steal. I know you will be surprised, but history did not start with Bush.
wildbobandronnie 1 year ago
@wildbobandronnie So how much did teh Roosevelts profit personally from benefiting the whole country?! LOL! Creating the national parking system is just like pocketing the profits from selling a baseball team with a brand new stadium... You people are funny!
madashelldude 1 year ago
You might try addressing the original question; is the book free? Prove your case about property rights -- examples, examples. Anybody can buy a plane ticket or hobo a train and take their ignorance around the world. Neither activity teaches you history. It does spread ignorance.
wildbobandronnie 1 year ago
@wildbobandronnie wow! I actually have a hard time deciding if your arrogance is greater than your stupidity! Ever heard of eminent domain?! google: Bush and The Texas Land Grab or watch the interview with financial reporter David Cay Johnston to learn how Bush made money on the Texas Rangers sale. Typical conservative crony capitalism: talentless trustfund baby uses his family connections to steal from the public.
madashelldude 1 year ago
@madashelldude Who did you lefties blame before Bush? I am delighted to know that you are aware of the difference in crony capitalism and true capitalism. We might even agree on this point. Eminent Domain? That is the tool FDR used when he stole the Tennessee Valley isn't it? Have you ever heard of FDR (Franklin Roosevelt)? He was one of those old Liberals you seem to think were so much better than the current version. Andrew Jackson stole the Indian land. (continued)
wildbobandronnie 1 year ago
@wildbobandronnie "Local voters overwhelmingly approved the deal, so maybe we shouldn't get so exercised by star-struck local officials giving $200 million to rich baseball owners. But the most unseemly part of the deal was that Mr. Bush and the Rangers' owners conspired with city officials to seize private property that would be handed over to the Bush group. "
madashelldude 1 year ago
madashelldude You might want to study history just a bit. Try researching more than the left wing dogma. When you have educated yourself check back. I never argue with anyone who does not understand the argument. Have a nice day.
wildbobandronnie 1 year ago
@wildbobandronnie LOL! care to mention 1 specific thing that u want me to "research"?! Gosh, I've seen ignorant people world wide, I travel and lived in 3 countries: none as ignorant and cocky at the same time as US conservatives!
madashelldude 1 year ago
Is this book free? It is funny that the only property rights that get any respect from leftists are intellectual property rights.
wildbobandronnie 1 year ago
@wildbobandronnie The left has more respect for property rights & capitalism than the right wing will EVER have: conservatives are destroying property rights and free markets. It happened in the Great Depression, and it happened with the mortgage meltdown: crony politically connected trustfund babies poked enough holes in the capitalist system of laws and regulations as well as the tax code that it's crumbling and the only fault of liberals today is that they don't measure up to past liberals.
madashelldude 1 year ago
Hartmann cuts through the bullshit of free market ideology. It's just a fact that, besides a bartering system on the local level, there is no such thing as a free market. Any largescale system of capitalism is inevitably regulated or controlled in some manner. If the government isn't regulating, wealthy capitalists will try to gain control. Even if there is regulation, they'll try to control the regulation and the regulators. Only a strong independent govt can protect against this.
MarmaladeINFP 1 year ago
Thank you. Please listen, people!
gateley 3 years ago 5