The problem with the "DMT beings" as real separate entities from us, is that the test for this is hard to design. The test proposed in this video is very specific and doesn't really give us good answers. How would it test differentiate between a true separate entity being, versus access to a previously unknown human potential? We come right back to the human experience of the "other" and how objective that is, particularly under the influence of psychedelics.
@Lorentz5 Think beyond comp-sci. Where's the law saying that an algorithm is required to reveal a previously known truth? The big (p*q) product has prime factors {p,q} inherently in our world. They have even been known during the original process of multiplication, so to compute them is not to create any truly new information. Perhaps the "DMT beings" provide access to a broader information space, rather than computing the answer as we humans must. You get the idea.
Actually this would not necessarily prove that these beings from out there have a valid autonomous existence. It could simply be a type of interfacing of ones consciousness with the mind at large. Not saying that these entities dont exist -simply saying that this experiment wouldnt necessarily yield definitive conclusions to that possibility.
@creationofself Can you explain what you mean by "It could simply be a type of interfacing of ones consciousness with the mind at large." ? In order to generate the right answer, regardless of how large or small the number is, you need an algorithm, and without sufficient computing resources to implement it, a right answer is impossible to generate. I agree that it is risky to label something as absolute proof, but if this experiment succeeded, I'd think something really strange was going on.
@Lorentz5 Of course it could always be random or someone playing games. I like the fact that Rodriguez is trying to think of some kind of tests that are more objective and less subjective. But in my experience, it is difficult to even retain memory of circumstances I was in prior to tripping, let alone a specific number. Tests like these seem extremely hard to implement, especially because of the legal system.
@dmttsm I have read the abstract of his paper and its all nice, but I have to agree with J. Kent that these tests are unreliable:"If you want to ask such an entity to give you a prime factor of a five-digit number, it may give you the finger instead, or produce a grotesquely elongated phallus, or simply dive into a shimmering pool of hyper-plasma never to be seen again. Running an experimen like this is akin to asking a drunkard to spontaneously calculate the 40th digit of Pi when he passes out"
Cool experiment. auspicious wording.
only interesting questions is : WAS IT EVER DONE>
WHAT WAS THE RESULT?
This is an easily made, reproducible event. 10 minutes to change the planet.
I bet it did not work.
superdiza 9 months ago
Thanks for posting this.
TonyBtheEG 11 months ago
OMG He's so HOT.
Super my type. I want to eat him alive.
wisesakura 1 year ago
he needs to speak so i can understand at speed and not have to look up every second word lol
123popbottles123 1 year ago
The problem with the "DMT beings" as real separate entities from us, is that the test for this is hard to design. The test proposed in this video is very specific and doesn't really give us good answers. How would it test differentiate between a true separate entity being, versus access to a previously unknown human potential? We come right back to the human experience of the "other" and how objective that is, particularly under the influence of psychedelics.
te4s80txmt 1 year ago
@Lorentz5 Think beyond comp-sci. Where's the law saying that an algorithm is required to reveal a previously known truth? The big (p*q) product has prime factors {p,q} inherently in our world. They have even been known during the original process of multiplication, so to compute them is not to create any truly new information. Perhaps the "DMT beings" provide access to a broader information space, rather than computing the answer as we humans must. You get the idea.
te4s80txmt 1 year ago
Actually this would not necessarily prove that these beings from out there have a valid autonomous existence. It could simply be a type of interfacing of ones consciousness with the mind at large. Not saying that these entities dont exist -simply saying that this experiment wouldnt necessarily yield definitive conclusions to that possibility.
creationofself 2 years ago
@creationofself Can you explain what you mean by "It could simply be a type of interfacing of ones consciousness with the mind at large." ? In order to generate the right answer, regardless of how large or small the number is, you need an algorithm, and without sufficient computing resources to implement it, a right answer is impossible to generate. I agree that it is risky to label something as absolute proof, but if this experiment succeeded, I'd think something really strange was going on.
Lorentz5 1 year ago
@Lorentz5 Of course it could always be random or someone playing games. I like the fact that Rodriguez is trying to think of some kind of tests that are more objective and less subjective. But in my experience, it is difficult to even retain memory of circumstances I was in prior to tripping, let alone a specific number. Tests like these seem extremely hard to implement, especially because of the legal system.
Lorentz5 1 year ago
@Lorentz5 No, sorry I no longer discuss philosophy. I have much larger concerns in this day and age.
creationofself 1 year ago
Did this actually occur, or are you just saying that it would be a cool experiment?
ruespieler 2 years ago
It hasn't happened, but it would be a really cool experiment. However, Marko has published this paper in a scientific journal.
dmttsm 2 years ago
@dmttsm I have read the abstract of his paper and its all nice, but I have to agree with J. Kent that these tests are unreliable:"If you want to ask such an entity to give you a prime factor of a five-digit number, it may give you the finger instead, or produce a grotesquely elongated phallus, or simply dive into a shimmering pool of hyper-plasma never to be seen again. Running an experimen like this is akin to asking a drunkard to spontaneously calculate the 40th digit of Pi when he passes out"
Lorentz5 1 year ago
@dmttsm
So this experiment ever done?
what was the result?
was this an innuendo to an outcome ?
superdiza 9 months ago