M-izrah-im or 'the Mi-izraa' literally means 'the Mu-izraa' , 'the children of Israel'. At some point it refered to Black Hebrews of Egyptian descent. But the rise Gheniza in Egypt, reversed the meaning of the name to its original essence. The people you call Levant and North African Jews are very recent. The original house of Izraa in Egypt that goes back to Aristachus, Eupolomus, who composed Jewish treatise under the Ptolemies, to Philo, were no longer extant by the 6th AD.
@NYNEX1000 The word "Mizrahi" means Eastern in Hebrew. Mizrah is also the ancient Hebrew name for Egypt. ITS NOT BLACK HEBREWS OF EGYPTIAN DESCENT. Where the hell did you get that from??? By the way, Egyptians were NOT black first of all.
@ForgottenEasternJews Please help yourself. There is no such Eastern Hebrew, non. The Askenazi Jews lost the language when the Kenisha, left Spain in 11c following the in fighting between Almorovids and Almoravids. Many of the Jews headed East and found brief protection under Kazars. However, the group was called Kenisha, which is Ashkeniza by your recent dialect. Remember Hebrew or Yiddish revival of Eastern European Jewry only started in the 18th C, under a rabbi whose name I can't recall
"The Askenazi Jews lost the language when the Kenisha, left Spain in 11c following the in fighting between Almorovids and Almoravids. "
I really don't know what the hell you are talking about? Where are you getting all this from??? The Ashakanazi Jews did not leave Spain because they were not Ashkanazi Jews in Spain. The Jews in Spain are Separdic, Northern europe are Ashkanazi and the oldest are mizrahi from middle east
@ForgottenEasternJews Listen carefully, there was no people called Askneniza, there was a group called Kenisha, they came to Spain under the Tutelage of the Talmudic whihc was simply a movement that identified with Aramaic versions of a certain people called Thalmudic, who were Arabic. Their arrival swelled the already bouyant and excessive crowd of Jews. In fact that the Christian Counsel of Toledo in the 7th AD, nearly reduced Jews to Slavery. But a group decidely to move East ward and these.
people were followers of a tradition that was mainly traditional. But the influence of both Christian views and Jews in Spain, suggested that the tradition was to be followed, but the religion of Israel was the law in the heart and that besides the Talmudic group were already mixed up with others, and that tradition which 'Sofor' was a above all a Judgement of the heart, of utter devotion to God. In fact the Eboins, along with another group called Essene, believed in total devotion to God
These group, like the therapeut and the rachaebites or 'wailers' - daughter of Rachael believed that friendship with the world was enemnity with God. If we cite the Robert Eisenman he mentioned that the Therapuets like the Essence and the Ebions (poor in spirit), were mainly desert dwellers and may have influenced the earliest incarnation of Islam. But 'Sofor' or the Sepherdic, reffered to these people that eventually found a home in what became Spain...
@NYNEX1000 OK let me make this clear. The Igbo are not ancient Israelites. There is evidence that the ancestors of the Igbo people and most of their neighbors were the proto-Benue group, which came from the African Great Lakes and Mountains of the Moon of East and Central Africa, before settling at the old Sahara grasslands.The desertification of the Sahara forced some of the Benue people to migrate farther south to the north of the Niger Benue confluence, where they developed the Nok culture.
@ForgottenEasternJews So bring it. Lets show some muscle on the Hebrew floor. What Hebrew words has meaning or connotation in Yiddish of Askeniza. We still anukka, or Onnuka, but of your Eastern European answer the names I gave you. The likes of Leon Sachar often cited Zoha, for instance, but it is only with Igbos can we say for use what that means. Hebrew will say 'mew' for water and the Igbos will say miri, hebrew 'hayim' for rivers is Igbo 'anyim' so what does Kenisha mean in your yiddish
@NYNEX1000 I know there was no people called Ashakanzi. The original Isralites were middle eastern or the Mizrahi Jews as they are known now. Yes, that is what I said, the current Jewish population in Spain swelled when Jews from N Africa moved to Spain during the Golden Era. And yes I also said that later Spanish Jews moved back to N Africa and to other parts of middle east. You are saying what I'm saying
@ForgottenEasternJews Original Israelites include the man writing to you. And you know it. All Igbos villages have 8, 24, 72 sub-group, and these sub-groups descended from Edda of Old. The Igbos are probably the only valuable source or prove of the ancient nation of Israel. We have the house of Ababani (Abraham) and Yako (Jacob) and Nllewi-dim (the Levis) all in-tact, don't let modernity betray originality. One
@NYNEX1000 The word for water in Hebrew is NOT "mew". IT IS MAYIM. And for river it is not hayim. It is nahar. I don't know where you get all this information from. There is no evidence of Igbo as the lsraelite tribe. NOW A DAYS EVERYONE IS THE WORLD CLAIM TO BE THE ANCIENT ISRAELITES. THE NATIVE AMERICANS, THE BLACKS IN AMERICA ETC. STOP WASTING MY TIME
@NYNEX1000 PLEASE SHOW ME CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THAT IGBOS ARE THE ANCIENT NATION OF ISRAEL. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE. YOU JUST CANNOT MAKE UP STORIES. EVERYONE SAYS THEY ARE ANCIENT ISRALITES.
@NYNEX1000 " The people you call Levant and North African Jews are very recent. "
And how is that? The Israelite history started in the city of UR in southern Iraq. Israelites are middle eastern people. Ancient Israelites were the people of Levant/ middle east. All the prophets were middle eastern too.
By the way, are you those BLACK HEBREW ISREALITE who claim that ancient hebrews were black on the streets of New York??? If so, then I don't want to waste my time of you ignorants
@ForgottenEasternJews My brother you can actually blutter such a thing, you are not worthy of BEING called Jewish. But being a Jew, means a difference between Bloomberg and Benanke, one of Ashkeniza and the other Sepherdic
Is the Kazars story about Eastern Jews correct? someone believe it a myth. Eastern Jewy...what is that? before the foundations of Europe, were they people who were hostile to the Migrant Jews? Were they not the Khazaria, remnant of ancient Khazars, from Uratar on the South of Babylon?
To all of you people/s, I wanted to find out how much you know about the influence of Igbos and the 1st and 2nd Aliya to Israel at the turn of the 19th C. May I also indicate that it is with Igbo language that you correct the error with Aliya, for in Igbo, Aliya does not mean 'Ulayi' which means our departure, Aliya in the given context, means our home, our place, which in Igbo is 'Alayi'. We are not Ephraimites or Gadites as some Igbos presume, we are Hebonim driven away from Spain in 14/15 c.
For those of you who don't know about the Ugandan Jews, unlike the Ethiopian Jews, the Ugandan Jews do not have any genealogical link to middle east just like some ashkanazi Jews from Europe. Also, the religion evolved in that region in the past 80 years and the Ugandan Jews are not considered Jews according to halacha. They are Jews who want to be Jews. Just like here in America where whites want to be Jews LOL...
By your perspective it seems converts of all ethnicities would be unwelcome? Is that not what this group represents? A people who practice Judaism, believe in Adonai and study Torah? In some American cities one could easily say that Jewish 'religion evolved in that region in the past 80 years' as well. Does that make them less Jewish here? No. Judaism is more than just halacha. It is about embracing those who want to be Jewish, and in this case they happen to be African.
@cameraboi1229 Yes anybody can be Jewish and there is no restriction. Abraham was a convert too. But I was talking in the context of genealogy. People often ask "Is Judaism a religion or a race?". The answer is Judaism is a religion of course. But is it a race? Not anymore. Judaism evolved in middle east and stayed in this region for a very long time. But over time, Jews mixed with non Semitic races in Europe. Jews are not a race anymore except the middle eastern Jews.
I agree with most of what you said. But race is a social concept not a biological category like genetics. People of Jewish, African, middle eastern and other geographical areas have differences in their genes. So in that sense there are ethnic differences. just look at the sickle cell gene or BRACA 1 and 2 genes for breast and ovarian cancer. Many Jews today have intermarried for generations, yet still carry genes like BRACA or Tay-sachs. I have heard you don't look ""
@cameraboi1229 Just a correction. Ethnicity is a social concept. Race is a genetic concept. For example, Middle eastern people have different ethnicity (just like everywhere) but they have some common base DNA. Middle eastern DNA is taken in research to trace the genes of European Jews.
@ForgottenEasternJews, DNA of all humans are the same, same with genetic information of all humans, but in terms of the genetic materials, we can look at what you are saying as a process of gene breakdown. Protein breakdowns overtime and the rate of this dis-intergration, allows you to map the history of any specific people, e.g, your Eastern Europeans who are from Itil and kazaria will follow a gene wand, the real of Izraa and Edda are Igbos and Spanish Jews will another
@NYNEX1000 I do know that all humans come from Africa and have a common root DNA dating back hundreds of thousands of years ago. But as humans moved to different places, their DNA (not the root DNA) started to change over thousands of years. By the way, all Jews have a common middle eastern DNA. The Jews of europe are a mixture of local whites and early middle eastern Jews. The Jews of Ethiopia are mainly converts. DNA proves this. Jews of middle east and N Africa are closest to Levant people
@ForgottenEasternJews well, lets not go far with that with you've said so far. But how do you know about Jewish History? I mean you sound like you are Jewish but do have enough knowledge of Jewish history, Eastern European Jewry and the Kazaria. I mean Itil is laced with certain world History which you can share...but how much of Jewish history do you know and are interested in?
@NYNEX1000 I know Jewish history very well. The Kazar story is just a myth. DNA shows that. Yes, there were some elite Kazar who converted to Judaism. But to say that ashkanazi Jews are kazars is just crap.Though the ashkanazi Jews are mixed with white people, many if not all have common middle eastern DNA.
@ForgottenEasternJews Am NIGERIAN IGBO, and by right the only people that should be called Mizrahim. But we don't consider ourselves as Jewish, we regard ourselves as Hebrews, Jews, Beni Izraa, Beni Yako. Ebela 'febela' Yew, 72 house of the Edda, the Baros, Yeshi Ivo, Iduma, Aro, Nllewi, Kaeze, Kenisha, Isha, Onitsha, Agulana, Agueri, Erendi, Erondi, Nomoji, Ude, Ukba, Uka, U'koha, U'sukko, Nsukka, Okiba, Akiba, Ojaro, Ukehi, Lehi. Eja 'Heja', so tell me do have such things in Ashkenazi?
@NYNEX1000 Mizrahi Jews are specifically the Jews from Middle East and N Africa. They have a very close DNA to the people of Levant. As for the Ethiopians, they are not called Mizrahi Jews. Also, DNA shows that Ethiopians have more converts than the Ashkanazi Jews. All the dozens of tribes you are talking about are the African native tribes. The Africans got some from Jews and some from other middle eastern Semites over the years.
@ForgottenEasternJews, as I stated above, the Jewish disappearing from the much of Egypt and in many parts of North Africa deals directly on the conflict between the Ezanna and the Askum. But the breakdown of Jewish societies in parts of the Middle East essentially began with the war in Syria during the age of Bar' Choba. Of course the eradication of my people from Izraa (Israel) to different parts of world left many of them stranded in the boundary between Syria and Egypt, Igbos (Ebonim)
@Cont...The Ebohim or 'the Ibo', the glory of our God 'Chukwu Abiama', bearing Ababani and Yako as ancestor began migration into Spain. Some say that because of Chiaro, Chuafo, or Chavo, the Igbos actually migrated downwards. In essence the travel of the great Hebrews into Spain, to be spared after the defeat of Visigoths by Berbers, Tarik (Terik) and Musa, allowed our people to form sm6all societies following the code of Oman in Iran and in Babylon. The language was lost and 6-11 c. revival
@NYNEX1000 I don't know what the hell you are talking about. I don't see any connection between Ebo and the Israelite. THE EBO MIGRATED TO SPAIN?? ALSO, HOW ARE THEY HEBREWS? After the destruction of second temple many Jews migrated to other parts of middle east and N Africa. There were very few Jews in northern Europe. About 900 AD, Jews migrated in huge numbers to Ashkanaz and other parts of Europe. This is the proven history of Jews. I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AFRICAN EBO TRIBE HAS TO DO
@ForgottenEasternJews I thought you said you know Jewish history, it goes to show that one of is real and the other fake. Tell what is the Talmudic? and by what Rabbi did it arrive in Spain. And you who were the Talmudic. One hint...there weren't Jewish you know. All these nonsense about Ashkenazi, speaking language that is not even Yiddish let alone Hebrew, make me wanna thrown up. In case you don't know, Igbo and medieval Hebrew are very close. The names I listed below are names of Jews, not..
@NYNEX1000 First of all I'm not ashkanazi. Second, the Talmud was written in two places. Palestine and Babylonia (present day Iraq). All Jews today (Ashkanazi and Mizrahi) follow the Baylonian Talmud. And yes, I know more Jewish history than you. ALL YOU KNOW IS YOUR RACIST BLACK CRAP WHERE YOU TRY TO PAINT THAT ISRAELITES WERE BLACK AND TRY TO GIVE QUOTES FROM BIBLE THAT DOESN'T EVEN MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT YOU BLACK PEOPLE. THIS IS JUST RIDICULOUS
@ForgottenEasternJews ...I still love you if you are even Jewish. But drop the racist stuff, the Irag business is muddled water, deal on Masters of Jewish history, both Gabriol, Saadah, Haveli, Maimanonidis, Kimchi, Rashi, Leo 'Ibo' Abraneval - his father Isaac Abranavel, Baruch Spinoza, or in recent time, Salo Baron, Yekezel Kaufman, Aharoni, Nahum Sarno, Robert Alter, as the school may improve
@NYNEX1000 After the Roman exile 2000 yrs ago, there were about 80000 Jews in Spain. During the Golden age 1300 yrs ago, the population of Jews increased. Most of the migrants were from N Africa. And after the Spain inquisition in 1493, these Jews dispersed. Many went back to N Africa, some to other parts of middle east. I don't know what you Ebo tribe has to do with this
@ForgottenEasternJews ...well this is Baby history, you can start with the 8 MAJOR PARTIES inside Jerusalem during the time of CHRIST. Among them was the Eboin, of the Ibrim, also known as the Ibiam. By the way, all these names are very available among the Igbos or Ibos of Nigeria. The remnant after the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70 AND after the suicide of the 990 priest or thereabout, the remnant was given a choice by the Romans. But not until Bar'Choba on 2nd C were the Jews scattered
@NYNEX1000 We all know about the Bar cochba revolt and destruction in 70 AD. But there is no evidence of Jewish migration to Nigeria. There is evidence of Jewish migration to Ethiopia. And say for argument sake that Jews migrated to Nigeria. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? My point is the Isrealites and later the Jews were all middle eastern people. Later they moved to Europe and Africa and mixed with local people. That is my whole point
@ForgottenEasternJews .....Which evidence are we talkign about. Is Libya or Chad, or the Magreb Jews. What do you about the 1492 and the expulsion of the Spanish Jews. And please don't tell me about race, cos the Igbos have it all.
@NYNEX1000 The people who lived in N Africa long time ago were berbers. They are a completely different race. They are neither your IGBO or any other black african tribes. Get that straight
@ForgottenEasternJews please save. What part of NORTH AFRICA. Are their history not recent. Let me tell, there is no history of current Berbers that goes beyond the 15c. Non
These are the true true Jews. Thank God there is still many happy Jews living outside of Israel. We will see them returning back home to Israel and taking over this Country which belongs to them.
The Abayudaya are not a lost tribe. They decided to become Jews in the early or mid 20th Century (after reading bibles given them by Christian missionaries) and converted en masse sometime around the 80s. It's a fascinating and inspiring story, and their music is beautiful, but it has nothing to do with lost tribes.
It is fascinating, but they converted under the Conservative movement. Therefore, their conversion is not recognized by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.
True, and the group now has a rabbi among its own members who is a graduate and ordinee of American Jewish University (formerly University of Judaism) in LA, a Conservative institution - but then, the chief rabbinate of Israel no longer recognizes its own conversions either.
Hashem's Family is larger than 15 million like most Jews would like to believe. Well, believe it or not, the LOST TRIBES are coming in and nobody can stop HIS plans. We are as the sand of the ocean, the stars in the sky, remember? Learn how to count! LOL
You're not Jewish are you... King David ordered a census and a plague ensued and ever since then Orthodox Jews like me have alternative ways of counting Jews which is also necessary for prayer (You need ten or more Jews)...FYI...
It is because of the census that we do not count Jews, which is why we have alternative ways of counting for the minyan... If you are Jewish it's clear you're non-Halacha
Shut up your childish arguments, get a life jews.
PlayItAgainGames 1 month ago
M-izrah-im or 'the Mi-izraa' literally means 'the Mu-izraa' , 'the children of Israel'. At some point it refered to Black Hebrews of Egyptian descent. But the rise Gheniza in Egypt, reversed the meaning of the name to its original essence. The people you call Levant and North African Jews are very recent. The original house of Izraa in Egypt that goes back to Aristachus, Eupolomus, who composed Jewish treatise under the Ptolemies, to Philo, were no longer extant by the 6th AD.
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 The word "Mizrahi" means Eastern in Hebrew. Mizrah is also the ancient Hebrew name for Egypt. ITS NOT BLACK HEBREWS OF EGYPTIAN DESCENT. Where the hell did you get that from??? By the way, Egyptians were NOT black first of all.
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews Please help yourself. There is no such Eastern Hebrew, non. The Askenazi Jews lost the language when the Kenisha, left Spain in 11c following the in fighting between Almorovids and Almoravids. Many of the Jews headed East and found brief protection under Kazars. However, the group was called Kenisha, which is Ashkeniza by your recent dialect. Remember Hebrew or Yiddish revival of Eastern European Jewry only started in the 18th C, under a rabbi whose name I can't recall
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 "There is no such Eastern Hebrew"
what do you mean by that?
"The Askenazi Jews lost the language when the Kenisha, left Spain in 11c following the in fighting between Almorovids and Almoravids. "
I really don't know what the hell you are talking about? Where are you getting all this from??? The Ashakanazi Jews did not leave Spain because they were not Ashkanazi Jews in Spain. The Jews in Spain are Separdic, Northern europe are Ashkanazi and the oldest are mizrahi from middle east
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews Listen carefully, there was no people called Askneniza, there was a group called Kenisha, they came to Spain under the Tutelage of the Talmudic whihc was simply a movement that identified with Aramaic versions of a certain people called Thalmudic, who were Arabic. Their arrival swelled the already bouyant and excessive crowd of Jews. In fact that the Christian Counsel of Toledo in the 7th AD, nearly reduced Jews to Slavery. But a group decidely to move East ward and these.
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
people were followers of a tradition that was mainly traditional. But the influence of both Christian views and Jews in Spain, suggested that the tradition was to be followed, but the religion of Israel was the law in the heart and that besides the Talmudic group were already mixed up with others, and that tradition which 'Sofor' was a above all a Judgement of the heart, of utter devotion to God. In fact the Eboins, along with another group called Essene, believed in total devotion to God
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
These group, like the therapeut and the rachaebites or 'wailers' - daughter of Rachael believed that friendship with the world was enemnity with God. If we cite the Robert Eisenman he mentioned that the Therapuets like the Essence and the Ebions (poor in spirit), were mainly desert dwellers and may have influenced the earliest incarnation of Islam. But 'Sofor' or the Sepherdic, reffered to these people that eventually found a home in what became Spain...
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 OK let me make this clear. The Igbo are not ancient Israelites. There is evidence that the ancestors of the Igbo people and most of their neighbors were the proto-Benue group, which came from the African Great Lakes and Mountains of the Moon of East and Central Africa, before settling at the old Sahara grasslands.The desertification of the Sahara forced some of the Benue people to migrate farther south to the north of the Niger Benue confluence, where they developed the Nok culture.
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews So bring it. Lets show some muscle on the Hebrew floor. What Hebrew words has meaning or connotation in Yiddish of Askeniza. We still anukka, or Onnuka, but of your Eastern European answer the names I gave you. The likes of Leon Sachar often cited Zoha, for instance, but it is only with Igbos can we say for use what that means. Hebrew will say 'mew' for water and the Igbos will say miri, hebrew 'hayim' for rivers is Igbo 'anyim' so what does Kenisha mean in your yiddish
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 I know there was no people called Ashakanzi. The original Isralites were middle eastern or the Mizrahi Jews as they are known now. Yes, that is what I said, the current Jewish population in Spain swelled when Jews from N Africa moved to Spain during the Golden Era. And yes I also said that later Spanish Jews moved back to N Africa and to other parts of middle east. You are saying what I'm saying
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews Original Israelites include the man writing to you. And you know it. All Igbos villages have 8, 24, 72 sub-group, and these sub-groups descended from Edda of Old. The Igbos are probably the only valuable source or prove of the ancient nation of Israel. We have the house of Ababani (Abraham) and Yako (Jacob) and Nllewi-dim (the Levis) all in-tact, don't let modernity betray originality. One
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 The word for water in Hebrew is NOT "mew". IT IS MAYIM. And for river it is not hayim. It is nahar. I don't know where you get all this information from. There is no evidence of Igbo as the lsraelite tribe. NOW A DAYS EVERYONE IS THE WORLD CLAIM TO BE THE ANCIENT ISRAELITES. THE NATIVE AMERICANS, THE BLACKS IN AMERICA ETC. STOP WASTING MY TIME
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 " All Igbos villages have 8, 24, 72 sub-group"
so. That does not mean igbos are ancient israelites. LET ME REPEAT SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE.
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 PLEASE SHOW ME CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THAT IGBOS ARE THE ANCIENT NATION OF ISRAEL. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE. YOU JUST CANNOT MAKE UP STORIES. EVERYONE SAYS THEY ARE ANCIENT ISRALITES.
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 " The people you call Levant and North African Jews are very recent. "
And how is that? The Israelite history started in the city of UR in southern Iraq. Israelites are middle eastern people. Ancient Israelites were the people of Levant/ middle east. All the prophets were middle eastern too.
By the way, are you those BLACK HEBREW ISREALITE who claim that ancient hebrews were black on the streets of New York??? If so, then I don't want to waste my time of you ignorants
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews My brother you can actually blutter such a thing, you are not worthy of BEING called Jewish. But being a Jew, means a difference between Bloomberg and Benanke, one of Ashkeniza and the other Sepherdic
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
Is the Kazars story about Eastern Jews correct? someone believe it a myth. Eastern Jewy...what is that? before the foundations of Europe, were they people who were hostile to the Migrant Jews? Were they not the Khazaria, remnant of ancient Khazars, from Uratar on the South of Babylon?
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
To all of you people/s, I wanted to find out how much you know about the influence of Igbos and the 1st and 2nd Aliya to Israel at the turn of the 19th C. May I also indicate that it is with Igbo language that you correct the error with Aliya, for in Igbo, Aliya does not mean 'Ulayi' which means our departure, Aliya in the given context, means our home, our place, which in Igbo is 'Alayi'. We are not Ephraimites or Gadites as some Igbos presume, we are Hebonim driven away from Spain in 14/15 c.
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
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NYNEX1000 2 months ago
For those of you who don't know about the Ugandan Jews, unlike the Ethiopian Jews, the Ugandan Jews do not have any genealogical link to middle east just like some ashkanazi Jews from Europe. Also, the religion evolved in that region in the past 80 years and the Ugandan Jews are not considered Jews according to halacha. They are Jews who want to be Jews. Just like here in America where whites want to be Jews LOL...
ForgottenEasternJews 8 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews
By your perspective it seems converts of all ethnicities would be unwelcome? Is that not what this group represents? A people who practice Judaism, believe in Adonai and study Torah? In some American cities one could easily say that Jewish 'religion evolved in that region in the past 80 years' as well. Does that make them less Jewish here? No. Judaism is more than just halacha. It is about embracing those who want to be Jewish, and in this case they happen to be African.
cameraboi1229 4 months ago
@cameraboi1229 Yes anybody can be Jewish and there is no restriction. Abraham was a convert too. But I was talking in the context of genealogy. People often ask "Is Judaism a religion or a race?". The answer is Judaism is a religion of course. But is it a race? Not anymore. Judaism evolved in middle east and stayed in this region for a very long time. But over time, Jews mixed with non Semitic races in Europe. Jews are not a race anymore except the middle eastern Jews.
ForgottenEasternJews 4 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews
I agree with most of what you said. But race is a social concept not a biological category like genetics. People of Jewish, African, middle eastern and other geographical areas have differences in their genes. So in that sense there are ethnic differences. just look at the sickle cell gene or BRACA 1 and 2 genes for breast and ovarian cancer. Many Jews today have intermarried for generations, yet still carry genes like BRACA or Tay-sachs. I have heard you don't look ""
cameraboi1229 4 months ago
@cameraboi1229 Just a correction. Ethnicity is a social concept. Race is a genetic concept. For example, Middle eastern people have different ethnicity (just like everywhere) but they have some common base DNA. Middle eastern DNA is taken in research to trace the genes of European Jews.
ForgottenEasternJews 4 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews, DNA of all humans are the same, same with genetic information of all humans, but in terms of the genetic materials, we can look at what you are saying as a process of gene breakdown. Protein breakdowns overtime and the rate of this dis-intergration, allows you to map the history of any specific people, e.g, your Eastern Europeans who are from Itil and kazaria will follow a gene wand, the real of Izraa and Edda are Igbos and Spanish Jews will another
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 I do know that all humans come from Africa and have a common root DNA dating back hundreds of thousands of years ago. But as humans moved to different places, their DNA (not the root DNA) started to change over thousands of years. By the way, all Jews have a common middle eastern DNA. The Jews of europe are a mixture of local whites and early middle eastern Jews. The Jews of Ethiopia are mainly converts. DNA proves this. Jews of middle east and N Africa are closest to Levant people
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews well, lets not go far with that with you've said so far. But how do you know about Jewish History? I mean you sound like you are Jewish but do have enough knowledge of Jewish history, Eastern European Jewry and the Kazaria. I mean Itil is laced with certain world History which you can share...but how much of Jewish history do you know and are interested in?
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 I know Jewish history very well. The Kazar story is just a myth. DNA shows that. Yes, there were some elite Kazar who converted to Judaism. But to say that ashkanazi Jews are kazars is just crap.Though the ashkanazi Jews are mixed with white people, many if not all have common middle eastern DNA.
By the way, I'm a Mizrahi (Mizrahi Jew) Jew
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
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NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews Am NIGERIAN IGBO, and by right the only people that should be called Mizrahim. But we don't consider ourselves as Jewish, we regard ourselves as Hebrews, Jews, Beni Izraa, Beni Yako. Ebela 'febela' Yew, 72 house of the Edda, the Baros, Yeshi Ivo, Iduma, Aro, Nllewi, Kaeze, Kenisha, Isha, Onitsha, Agulana, Agueri, Erendi, Erondi, Nomoji, Ude, Ukba, Uka, U'koha, U'sukko, Nsukka, Okiba, Akiba, Ojaro, Ukehi, Lehi. Eja 'Heja', so tell me do have such things in Ashkenazi?
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 Mizrahi Jews are specifically the Jews from Middle East and N Africa. They have a very close DNA to the people of Levant. As for the Ethiopians, they are not called Mizrahi Jews. Also, DNA shows that Ethiopians have more converts than the Ashkanazi Jews. All the dozens of tribes you are talking about are the African native tribes. The Africans got some from Jews and some from other middle eastern Semites over the years.
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews, as I stated above, the Jewish disappearing from the much of Egypt and in many parts of North Africa deals directly on the conflict between the Ezanna and the Askum. But the breakdown of Jewish societies in parts of the Middle East essentially began with the war in Syria during the age of Bar' Choba. Of course the eradication of my people from Izraa (Israel) to different parts of world left many of them stranded in the boundary between Syria and Egypt, Igbos (Ebonim)
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@Cont...The Ebohim or 'the Ibo', the glory of our God 'Chukwu Abiama', bearing Ababani and Yako as ancestor began migration into Spain. Some say that because of Chiaro, Chuafo, or Chavo, the Igbos actually migrated downwards. In essence the travel of the great Hebrews into Spain, to be spared after the defeat of Visigoths by Berbers, Tarik (Terik) and Musa, allowed our people to form sm6all societies following the code of Oman in Iran and in Babylon. The language was lost and 6-11 c. revival
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 I don't know what the hell you are talking about. I don't see any connection between Ebo and the Israelite. THE EBO MIGRATED TO SPAIN?? ALSO, HOW ARE THEY HEBREWS? After the destruction of second temple many Jews migrated to other parts of middle east and N Africa. There were very few Jews in northern Europe. About 900 AD, Jews migrated in huge numbers to Ashkanaz and other parts of Europe. This is the proven history of Jews. I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AFRICAN EBO TRIBE HAS TO DO
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews I thought you said you know Jewish history, it goes to show that one of is real and the other fake. Tell what is the Talmudic? and by what Rabbi did it arrive in Spain. And you who were the Talmudic. One hint...there weren't Jewish you know. All these nonsense about Ashkenazi, speaking language that is not even Yiddish let alone Hebrew, make me wanna thrown up. In case you don't know, Igbo and medieval Hebrew are very close. The names I listed below are names of Jews, not..
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 First of all I'm not ashkanazi. Second, the Talmud was written in two places. Palestine and Babylonia (present day Iraq). All Jews today (Ashkanazi and Mizrahi) follow the Baylonian Talmud. And yes, I know more Jewish history than you. ALL YOU KNOW IS YOUR RACIST BLACK CRAP WHERE YOU TRY TO PAINT THAT ISRAELITES WERE BLACK AND TRY TO GIVE QUOTES FROM BIBLE THAT DOESN'T EVEN MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT YOU BLACK PEOPLE. THIS IS JUST RIDICULOUS
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews ...I still love you if you are even Jewish. But drop the racist stuff, the Irag business is muddled water, deal on Masters of Jewish history, both Gabriol, Saadah, Haveli, Maimanonidis, Kimchi, Rashi, Leo 'Ibo' Abraneval - his father Isaac Abranavel, Baruch Spinoza, or in recent time, Salo Baron, Yekezel Kaufman, Aharoni, Nahum Sarno, Robert Alter, as the school may improve
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 After the Roman exile 2000 yrs ago, there were about 80000 Jews in Spain. During the Golden age 1300 yrs ago, the population of Jews increased. Most of the migrants were from N Africa. And after the Spain inquisition in 1493, these Jews dispersed. Many went back to N Africa, some to other parts of middle east. I don't know what you Ebo tribe has to do with this
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews ...well this is Baby history, you can start with the 8 MAJOR PARTIES inside Jerusalem during the time of CHRIST. Among them was the Eboin, of the Ibrim, also known as the Ibiam. By the way, all these names are very available among the Igbos or Ibos of Nigeria. The remnant after the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70 AND after the suicide of the 990 priest or thereabout, the remnant was given a choice by the Romans. But not until Bar'Choba on 2nd C were the Jews scattered
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 We all know about the Bar cochba revolt and destruction in 70 AD. But there is no evidence of Jewish migration to Nigeria. There is evidence of Jewish migration to Ethiopia. And say for argument sake that Jews migrated to Nigeria. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? My point is the Isrealites and later the Jews were all middle eastern people. Later they moved to Europe and Africa and mixed with local people. That is my whole point
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews .....Which evidence are we talkign about. Is Libya or Chad, or the Magreb Jews. What do you about the 1492 and the expulsion of the Spanish Jews. And please don't tell me about race, cos the Igbos have it all.
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
@NYNEX1000 The people who lived in N Africa long time ago were berbers. They are a completely different race. They are neither your IGBO or any other black african tribes. Get that straight
ForgottenEasternJews 2 months ago
@ForgottenEasternJews please save. What part of NORTH AFRICA. Are their history not recent. Let me tell, there is no history of current Berbers that goes beyond the 15c. Non
NYNEX1000 2 months ago
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if you are jews why dont you move to israel????
Mangano22 8 months ago
Wow!! I'm impressed :) Shalom from Venezuela!
samsk66 9 months ago
Shalom
BobKaye 10 months ago
God bless you guys, that put a big smile on my face<3
NeronDomitius 11 months ago
Love it!
vergeofsomething 1 year ago
Cannot wait to come for Shabbat!!! Four more weeks!!!
drotenberg44 1 year ago
These are the true true Jews. Thank God there is still many happy Jews living outside of Israel. We will see them returning back home to Israel and taking over this Country which belongs to them.
nilespring9 1 year ago
Very beautiful to see some fellow Jews across the world. See you in Yerushaliem.
fedorking22 1 year ago 2
See you in Israel !
eurostyle83 1 year ago
Very nice!!
kanaiboded 1 year ago
wow I never knew Jews lived in Uganda!! This is so cool!
WinsomeBlond101 2 years ago
so beautiful!
chyah3 2 years ago 2
The Abayudaya are not a lost tribe. They decided to become Jews in the early or mid 20th Century (after reading bibles given them by Christian missionaries) and converted en masse sometime around the 80s. It's a fascinating and inspiring story, and their music is beautiful, but it has nothing to do with lost tribes.
bojotube 3 years ago 2
Correction - the group conversion took place in 2002.
bojotube 3 years ago
It is fascinating, but they converted under the Conservative movement. Therefore, their conversion is not recognized by the Chief Rabbinate of Israel.
amixofeverything 3 years ago
True, and the group now has a rabbi among its own members who is a graduate and ordinee of American Jewish University (formerly University of Judaism) in LA, a Conservative institution - but then, the chief rabbinate of Israel no longer recognizes its own conversions either.
bojotube 3 years ago
So what.
MosheKatreal1948Bgr8 2 years ago
Hashem's Family is larger than 15 million like most Jews would like to believe. Well, believe it or not, the LOST TRIBES are coming in and nobody can stop HIS plans. We are as the sand of the ocean, the stars in the sky, remember? Learn how to count! LOL
Hatorah 3 years ago
It is forbidden to count Jews...
MedMan 2 years ago
Where did you get that story? Jews have invented "census"! Tribes were always counted...
If you're trying to say we cannot count the sand of the ocean, then you're correct. Ha. But if you read Torah, Tribes were ALWAYS counted FYI.
Hatorah 2 years ago
You're not Jewish are you... King David ordered a census and a plague ensued and ever since then Orthodox Jews like me have alternative ways of counting Jews which is also necessary for prayer (You need ten or more Jews)...FYI...
MedMan 2 years ago
What does a minion have to do with census? FYI, I am Jewish :-)
Hatorah 2 years ago
It is because of the census that we do not count Jews, which is why we have alternative ways of counting for the minyan... If you are Jewish it's clear you're non-Halacha
MedMan 2 years ago
There is a great CD recording of songs from the Abayudaya people. Search Amazon for it.
leonarddixon7 3 years ago
cool
melechzeitlin 3 years ago 5
Very nice! Wish we could do it together some day.
dutchjaeger 3 years ago 11