Requiem Mass, Anglican Use, Intro Rite

[EmanonElazon]

Quam Pulchram!

[burnseraphimburn]

as a member of this parish, i can honestly say i have never been to our requiem mass, love the black vestments.

[fatimamovement]

Catholicism is the Mass and the Sacraments. Masons destroyed the Mass in 1962, the required Sacramental Form was destroyed in 1944. Sorry, it's over. The Church is in a state of auto-demolition as Paul VI stated in 1968. Of course it looks legitimate, but that's how Lucifer wants it. If you want the ability to stand when the punishment comes, UNDERSTAND THE THIRD SECRET OF FATIMA.

The stunning evidence is on FATIMAMOVEMENT d o t c o m

Rome has until Aug. 17, 2011 when it will be DESTROYED.

[EmanonElazon]

@fatimamovement Don't forget that the Mystical Body of Christ exists in the hearts and souls of His people as well. I have to point out, however, that you have your history a bit off. The Tidentine expression of the Divine Liturgy did not come into existence until 1570 at the council of Trent, so if you wish to be so legalistic about the expression of the Liturgy, you should check out the Eastern Church, which has barely changed at all since Biblical times.

[brndurham]

@fatimamovement

'Tis already the middle of october, and thy humble prediction hath not been fulfilled.

[lauwai4life]

Hey Folks, If you like what you see and hear, why not do it right, and become an Anglican?

[thecommentmonster]

@lauwai4life The whole point of this is to be in union with the Holy Father and the Universal Church, not be a part of a church which has separated itself from the apostolic succession of Peter.

[BungleZippie]

@lauwai4life These were Anglicans who become Catholics. I went the other way around. Anglican worship is far better than the average Catholic church these days. This is an exception!!!

[BungleZippie]

@lauwai4life @lauwai4life These were Anglicans who become Catholics. I went the other way around. Anglican worship is far better than the average Catholic church these days. This is an exception!!!

[EmanonElazon]

@BungleZippie Sadly, I have to agree that many Catholic Communities have forsaken solemnity for the sake of 'popular' worship, but please don't give up! Among us young people, we are thirsting for the divine splendor of meaningful ritual. Come with us! I myself was born and raised Novus Ordo, and I absolutely love Sacred Tradition. We're not a lost cost :)

[BungleZippie]

@EmanonElazon Not even 'popular' where I am. Just stripped down to it's literal bones boredom. Minus the 1 minute homily the services don't do good ritual but stick to the core order of service to be 'pure'. No bells, no smells, minimum vestments, minimum use of iconography, candles or inspiring hymns or song. No kneeling for communion and pressure to not receive in hand. Fluffy homilies that I see as intellectually mundane and dishonest in downplaying, or skipping over, church doctrine.

[EmanonElazon]

@BungleZippie *sigh* I know, I've seen it too. Sometimes it makes me very depressed. But then I go to the Monastery and see genuine respect for the glory of the Mass and feel like I am in heaven.

[BungleZippie]

@EmanonElazon I appreciate what your saying. I don't agree with all Anglicans but I respect them for being honest about their views regardless of whether it's liked or not. But Catholics, especially priests, think one thing and pretend to think another. They hold catholic masses but many wish they were more free. They tell you one thing privately but won't speak up for it publicly. They put up with views from lay people and priests they believe are wrong. Such fraud is intolerable for me.

[fatimamovement]

The Illuminati, who sold their souls for Lucifer, have an obligation to teach the world the wrong names of the Trinity. The purpose of this is so you condemn yourself upon judgment. When Christ asks "Who do you say that I am?" make sure and tell others to answer, :"You are God."

If you give the Illuminati answer, "You are the son of a talking fire (the Lord)," you will quickly find out what Freemasonry has done to you and you will have an eternity to think about it. fatimamovement d o t c o m

[NeuenschwanderPride]

If I had the choice of attending your average Novus Ordo Mass America or a fine liturgical banquet such as this one offered by our newly received Anglo brethren.... surly I would not think twice in choosing the Anglican use. Anglican Catholics is America seem to be more Roman than most of those Liberal parishes I have experienced.

[PfaelzerOrganist]

Very solemn Requiem Mass!

[king052206]

ask bro eli soriano if this is biblical.

livestream (dot) com / elisoriano its live every wednesday 8pm EST you can ask him live!

and in his twitter twitter (dot) com / broelisoriano  mcgi (dot) org

[luvpinas123]

@king052206 DATING DAAN!

[Peugeot908HDIFAP]

This is wonderful. I'm Anglican but doubt my church is interested in being brought into the Catholic Church with the Anglican Use. Anyway, I'm headed to Rome on my own and starting RCIA next month.

[Patrickprescott]

@Peugeot908HDIFAP - Don't let RCIA discourage you. Hopefully, you have found a good parish.

[Peugeot908HDIFAP]

@Patrickprescott Hi Patrickprescott, No I will not let RCIA discourage me. Do you think the Anglican Use will ever go mainstream?

[thecommentmonster]

@Peugeot908HDIFAP Praise God and welcome home!

[BungleZippie]

@Peugeot908HDIFAP You'll find most Catholic masses are dire. I guess you'll also find that the only theological line you'll find is the official conservative line. Most Catholics are as, if not more Liberal, than many Anglicans in reality. I'm Catholic but I prefer Anglican worship

[assasincomedy]

@Peugeot908HDIFAP Welcome Home!

[Peugeot908HDIFAP]

Absolutely beautiful! I like the Anglican Use a lot more than the current Novus Ordo. IMO, Anglican Use seems a whole lot more traditional than the Novus Ordo.

[MenechemShaul]

James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore (1877-1921), in a signed letter.

“Is Saturday the seventh day according to the Bible and the Ten Commandments? I answer YES. Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the seventh day —Saturday — for Sunday, the first day? I answer YES. Did Christ change the day? I answer NO.

Faithfully yours, J. Card. Gibbons;”

[fartvergnuegen]

menechemshaul, there is a huge difference between the catholic and episcopalian churches. if you think otherwise you need to pull your head out of your butt.

i wish we had an anglican use parish in my city. we could use more of that reverence at mass. i'm tired of the hippies who sing at mass, people wearing sweats and flip-flops to church, and women who want to be priests.

[MenechemShaul]

@fartvergnuegen They still worship on non Biblical days, they still have a Catholic Liturgy, and the Anglo-Catholics are Pretty much Catholics without the pope! I know the Differences but the Similarities out weigh the differences! I was Raised in Rome's Church, in my Teen years I attended High Church!

[MenechemShaul]

Not much Difference between Episcopals/Church Of England/Anglicans and the Catholics, One has the pope the others do not!

[dsindc]

In any case, I find current developments increasingly irrelevant given the position of Christianity in Europe, and increasingly in the States. Regardless of tradition, Christianity in Europe is on life support. Roman Catholic strongholds like Latin America are increasingly turning to the worst kind of traditions including Pentecostalism and Mormonism. The issues involving R. Catholics and Anglicans will become insignificant, and pompous comments typical of SanLewy anachronistic.

[coolerking04]

You would not be the first person to write a premature obituary for Catholic Church.

Pentecostals, Mormons, etc. these groups are like what, 150 years old at best?

Catholic Church once had to compete for followers with plenty of other groups that have long since vanished.

[dsindc]

coolerking04, I am not WISHING for the demise of the Roman Catholic Church, I am only describing the current situation. The French hate to keep such statistics, but it appears more Muslims go to prayer service on Friday than Catholics go to Mass on Sunday. Across the board, the figures are startling. No more than 20% of Spanish attend mass once a month. In Ireland, maybe because of recent horrific scandals, the church is withering. The Church cannot ignore this.

[coolerking04]

I did not say you were "WISHING" for the demise of the Church. I am well aware of the current situation and while things seem to be in crisis, historically speaking there is always some kind of crisis. Also, claims of the death of the Church in Europe are greatly exagerated.

The French statistics are always skewed because a large number of French Catholics are in SSPX (for better of for worse.)

[dsindc]

I'm hardly concerned with Pentacostalism, or Mormonism in Europe. I'm concerned with secularism. In Latin America and Africa, I am concerned with those movements. I don't think we can stick our heads in the sand and pretend these issues will just go away. Mormonism has been called "Scientology plus 170 years", but I don't think people much care about antiquity. I only bring these issues to light because they're important, and they concern me and many others. What should we do?

[coolerking04]

No we can't stick our heads in the sand. The solution to the problems you mention is 1-Reverence in liturgy, 2-Better education, aka beauty and truth, the time tested "weapons" of the Church.

[alveolate]

"... at the name of Jesus, every knee shall bow..."

Philippians 2:10; Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11

do you bow when you hear the name of our Lord and Saviour? i was pleasantly surprised to see our Anglican brothers do so at liturgy! such a simple and profoundly reverent gesture... i'm sure even our most fundamentalist brothers would agree to this!

[Peugeot908HDIFAP]

Thanks for all your input SanLewy/ecclesiamilitans1099/a­mericanromancatholi. What do you guys think about the Pope's statement regarding Anglicans and Catholics yesterday?

[americanromancatholi]

That being said I welcome always those who attend the Traditional Latin Mass of 1962 the most solemn mass ever in the West.

[americanromancatholi]

Also your church has to be an Episcopal Church in the U.S. I believe.

[Peugeot908HDIFAP]

I'm a conservative "High Church/Anglo-Catholic". Sometimes I think about going through the process and joining the Catholic Church. Is there a way to still be an Anglican but be in communion with Rome? Thanks!

[SanLewy]

Nope. The Catholic Church considers the Anglican Communion to be Protestant. You could become a Latin Rite Catholic and attend a parish that celebrates the Mass using the Anglican Use provision as dipicted here...

[Peugeot908HDIFAP]

Ok, Thanks for the info. I didnt know if some of the "Continuing Anglican Churches" were trying to stay Anglican but be in communion with Rome. From what I can see here, I actually really like the Anglican Use provision.

[MenechemShaul]

@SanLewy Whatever, You are all still Pagans!

[MenechemShaul]

SanLewy, This is just confirmation of Isaiah's prophecy coming true, Rome is gathering her children to her! Yeshua is coming soon! Catholicism is not the truth!

[willthacheerleader18]

@MenechemShaul for Catholicism is NOT the whore. GooHave fun believing that.. for it is wrong.

[MenechemShaul]

@willthacheerleader18 Shows how little Historical and Scriptural Knowledge you have! The Early Church is not the Roman Church as the Roman Church did away with the traditions of the early Church! The Early Church Celebrated the Feasts of Leviticus 23, the Catholic Cult because of Heretics (Such as Marcion, Ignatius, Constantine) teaching false doctrine! The evidence is there but people like you are blinded to the truth! Remember I am a Former Catholic with Extensive knowledge in this subject!!

[willthacheerleader18]

@SanLewy well, the Roman Catholic Church (I am a roman catholic) views anglicans as protestants but they view themselves as Catholics.

[MenechemShaul]

@willthacheerleader18 You are missing the point of this Movement though! These are Anglican Use Catholics, they Use the Book of Divine Worship (Based on Common Prayer but approved for use by Anglican Use Catholics), which is a Catholic Missal for Anglican Church's/Diocese who have Come into full Communion with Rome. This movement has the Apostolic Blessing of both John Paul II and Benedict XVI.

[willthacheerleader18]

@MenechemShaul I know. I personally do not refer to Anglicans as protestants, I see them as Catholic :]

The Church views most of the Communion (especially Episcopalians) as protestant, but many are reconciling with Rome.

[MenechemShaul]

@willthacheerleader18 I know its Biblical Prophecy, Rome is gathering her Children [Isaiah 14] before the whore falls [Rev.18]

[willthacheerleader18]

@MenechemShaul the faithful will return to Rome.

[MenechemShaul]

@willthacheerleader18 The early Church never celebrated the Sunday Sabbath, although they did meet on the first day of the Week, the Catechism makes it quite clear that the Church, not Messiah, Changed Shabbat observances to Sunday! Thus nullifying your claim that it is truth!

[willthacheerleader18]

@MenechemShaul False! Read our Catechism. The Catholic Church observes Sunday as our Holy Day because of Christ's resurecction. The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.

[MenechemShaul]

@MenechemShaul The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.

“The Catholic Church, . . . by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.”

[willthacheerleader18]

@MenechemShaul I attended an Anglo-Catholic [Continuing Anglican] Church for a short time.

[ecclesiamilitans1099]

I think this video answers your question. These are Anglican Catholics in union with Rome. Much as the Byzantine Catholics are "Orthodox in union with Rome."

[Peugeot908HDIFAP]

Yes it sure does, Thank You. I wish my parish would take the proper steps to be received into the Catholic Church but I dont know what the odds are. My parish is a conservative "High Church" but not quite Anglo-Catholic. We are also affiliated with the American Anglican Council.

[americanromancatholi]

Your church has to ask the local Catholic bishop at the diocesan level who in turn asks the Pope if you can be a part of the Anglican Use of the Pastoral Provision in which if enough of the people in your parish agree you are confirmed and given your first communion and hence become a full memebr of the Catholic Church and have the Anglican Use. However like I said enough people in your parish have to agree to it, the Roman Catholic diocesan bishop has to approve it, and so does the Pope.

[SanLewy]

Absolutely not...

There is no such thing as "Anglican Catholic Church in union with Rome." There is an Anglican-use provision within the Latin (Roman) Rite of the Church.

Byzantine Catholics and other Eastern Catholics are true suri juris churches as part of the Catholic Church (not the "Roman Catholic Church."

[dsindc]

In any case, none of this strikes me as nearly as significant as other developments occurring in both traditions. The R.C. Church is on life support in Europe as is nearly every Christian tradition. Pentecostalism is exploding in Latin America, as is Mormonism (of all things). Few Catholics in the U.S. appear to be listening to church teachings. -- While it may be comforting to proclaim one's spiritual superiority, can Christianity- the faith we ALL proclaim, suffer this childishness?

[TheEcumenator]

Thank God We are a church with so many rites and a rich liturgy!

[marisqueira75013]

It is not a mass but a mess

[edblncrt]

What Mass is the Kyrie from? Who is the composer? At least I think it's a Kyrie, at 2:53. I've heard this before at a Tridentine Mass in the Los Angeles area, but haven't had success identifying it.

[271250cl]

It is from the 'Missa L'Hora Passa' by Viadana. Sadly there is no recording of the work at the moment. The same Kyrie is used in the opening sequence of "True Confessions" a movie starring Robert DeNiro as a priest mixed up with the Mob. The sequence is here on YouTube. Search something like "Solemn Mass, De Niro" and you should find it easity. It's a lovely piece and I would love to hear the whole mass.

[clarinet001]

Must you all argue? Grow up!

[moses4anglican]

i'm an Anglican! it's a very heart touching worship style. God bless us. i am in the right church. Hallelujah.

[mansfield1721]

This is not an Episcopal Church but former Espiscopal parish called Our Lady of The Atonement. It is a Roman Catholic parish in San Antonio that uses The Anglican Rite for Roman Catholics. They are very traditional parish and not liberal.

[wjweigand]

vladimir... do you agree with your "pope" that you are in communion with protestants, schismatics, Jews, Mohamedens, Buddhists, and African Animists?

[iDanFan]

Is this a "Holy Catholic Church Anglican Rite" or is it the Roman Catholic Church with an Anglican use Mass?

[JohannVF]

It's a former Anglican parish that entered Union with a Roman Catholic Bishop (and thus, the Pope). Due to the inappropriateness of stripping them of their liturgical tradition (that, in part, predates even the Tridentine Liturgy), they were allowed to use a seperate Liturgy, the "Anglican Use", which is a Vatican-sanctioned version of the old Anglican Liturgy.

Simple, no?

[wjweigand]

iDan... this is a part of the "all dogs go to heaven" religion. The Novus Ordo cult which changed the definition of the Church of Christ at Vatican II allows this somewhat traditional looking service along with clown masses, dancing girl masses, etc.

[wjweigand]

BTW, I've heard that the dancing girl religios services even pre-date the Mozarabic and Carthusian Rites, so that must make them OK.

[vladimir998]

These people are more Catholic than you are. You are a sedevacantist. You're not even in union with the Church. You're in a sect. These people, on the other hand, are Catholic. It's a pity you're not.

[wjweigand]

False - they are not Catholic at all

True - I believe the Chair of Peter is currently occupied by a heretic

Close - I'm not in union with the archheretic Jos Ratzinger

False - I am Catholic and I believe in the unchangeable Catholic faith unlike the novus ordo new religion with its new sacraments, new priesthood, false ecumenism, etc.

False - They are part of a false church, unlike St. Hermenagild who refused communion from an arian bishop

It's a pity you don't study your faith.

[vladimir998]

You're in union with essentially no one. You deny Christ by denying His Church. You deny the pope. You make yourself God's court by judging the pope - which you have no right nor authority to do.

I know the faith now, better than you ever will. Your problem is that you can't see the forest for the trees. Your puny, pissant sect is just that - puny and pissant.

[knghtcmdr]

@vladimir998 Don't listen to the archschismatic, the Lord will deal with him in His own time.

[Matt3740]

Um I belong to this parish and Im also a traditional Catholic! You have no right to judge me and say that Iam not. If like to quote Christ so much here's one for ya "Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned." Luke 6:37

[SanLewy]

I'm not judging anyone. I'm simply stating the fact that the Catholic Church views the Anglican Communion as being Protestant. Anglicans are in no more in perfect communion with the Pontiff than any other Protestant group. You may disagree with the Catholic Church but that's on you.

[Peugeot908HDIFAP]

I'm not sure if your comments were directed to me but I totally understand and agree. Thanks!

[Delta767300ER]

No problem, I totally understand that.

[frbjoern]

SanLewy. Your comment is somewhat unfair. Many Catholics disagree with gross errors and novel new doctrines within Christendom. Many Catholics are not in communion with the Pontiff, a title of pagan origin in itself! But they are still Catholics. Just because one group decides to erroneously proclaim them non Catholic doesn't make them non Catholic. Remember many Christians proclaim the Pope and Roman Catholic's as An Apostate Church, which is not necessarily true either.

[dsindc]

You need to refine your research. I would direct you to the documents of Vatican II. Specifically the "Decree on Ecumenism"

'Unitatis Redintegratio'

"CHAPTER III

CHURCHES AND ECCLESIAL COMMUNITIES SEPARATED FROM THE ROMAN APOSTOLIC SEE

13. We now turn our attention to the two chief types of division as they affect the seamless robe of Christ.

(cont above)

[dsindc]

"The first divisions occurred in the East, when the dogmatic formulae of the Councils of Ephesus and Chalcedon were challenged, and ecclesiastical communion was dissolved.

Other divisions arose more than four centuries later in the West, stemming from events usually referred to as "The Reformation." As a result, many Communions, were separated from Rome. Among those in which Catholic traditions and institutions in part continue to exist, the Anglican Communion occupies a special place."

[JLFAN2009]

The schisms and divisions didn't end with the Reformation. Have you heard of the Old Catholics -- in the wake of the First Vatican Council?

[dsindc]

The documents SanLewy, in fact place Anglicanism OUTSIDE the community of Protestant Churches. In fact, if you would bother to read church documents, you would note that the Roman Church normally takes pain to make the distinction as evidenced by statements containing wording such as- "our Protestant and Anglican brothers".

In fact, the documents go on to state that Anglicanism IS to be distinguished from Protestantism, and places it in a fourth category, with RC, Orthodox, & Protestants.

[JLFAN2009]

Historically, the Church of England -- since the Elizabethan Religious Settlement of 1559 -- has been characterized as a "gatebridge" between Catholicism and Protestantism. And Anglicanism -- the system of doctrines and liturgical practices -- reflects this compromise between the two traditions. It's not surprising, then, that Rome grants a special recognition to this faith that is distinguished from other forms of Protestantism.

[dsindc]

I would suggest you alert SanLewy of this. I've always found the ignorance of typical roman catholics a bit amusing, and certainly self serving. Mary restored England to Roman Catholicism after succeeding her half brother, Edward VI to the English throne. In the process, she had almost 300 religious dissenters burned at the stake in the Marian Persecutions, That of course famously included Thomas Cranmer, first Archbishop free of Rome. Henry VIII was NOT the 'founder' of a new church.

[JLFAN2009]

To be more accurate: Henry VIII did indeed effect a schism (after initially persecuting the religious reformation movement). However, the said schismatic church ("Church of England") nearly got dissolved later on, when the English broke into two extremist factions -- the Protestants taking over during the reign of Edward VI, and then (as you say) Mary I attempting to restore Catholicism.

[dsindc]

Of course I've heard of the Old Catholics. In fact, documents produced during the time of Vatican II confirmed that O.C. Orders were valid, and that since certain Anglican ordinations had been through the O.C. Church the "whole issue may need to be revisited". I have not been alone in laughing hysterically at such childish 'theology'. As if a sacrament is reduced to something akin to magic. The right words were not said, intention, etc. Please. By the way, the O.C. Church predates Vatican I.

[dsindc]

In any case, I disagree with your assertion that Henry VIII effected a schism. In what way did Mary I not restore Catholicism? Have you not heard of the Marian Persecutions? Was Cardinal Pole, later Archbishop of Canterbury not central in this sad chapter? How many horrific deaths did they order? Henry may have provided the occasion for Reformation theology to enter England, but it was only a matter of time one way or the other. But there is more going on here that you ignore (cont).

[dsindc]

One can argue church history and theology ad nauseum. I am not concerned about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. But the church, and by that I mean any legitimate expression of Christianity, is in crisis. It is all but dead in Europe, dying a slow death even in the U.S., and in much of the developing world veering away from any sort of orthodox Christianity toward cultism. THESE are the things that we should be concerned with don't you think?

[s216674]

@vladimir998 What a beautiful Catholic Liturgy. One can only hope that with the continued numbers of Anglicans/Episcopals coming into the Church, that we will eventually see an Anglican Rite which is not a subsidiary of the Latin Rite but a Co-equal rite within the Church similar to the Byzantine Rite, Dominican Rite, Ambrosian Rite, etc.

[EmanonElazon]

@s216674 Here here!

[Seminarys]

Is it Roman Catholic or Anglican Church (Anglo-Catholic) ?

Why all of them use Dalmatic ?

[Matt3740]

It's a Catholic Church that uses the Roman Catholic Rite with the Anglican Rite. It's called the Anglican Use Rite. I attend the Latin Mass here at 6:00pm! Father Phillips is a great priest and counselor!

[statementz]

This is at Our Lady of the Atonement, isn't it?

[Osirisim]

Awesome!

[misaki93]

I hate that place

[Osirisim]

God loves you, but you need to repent or face hell...

[Matt3740]

I dont see why. Its a perfect example of the old traditional Catholic Rite!

[wjweigand]

not exactly, it's one of the many side shows of the novus ordo anything goes religion

[Matt3740]

I have to say thats true too!

[JohannVF]

So, I guess the Mozarabic Rite and the Carthusian Rites are just "side shows", too? What about the Divine Liturgies?

All of them pre-date the Tridentine Rite (which, itself, was a synthesis of a number of older liturgical variations).

[americanromancatholi]

They are not side shows and all of them are part of the Latin Rite and the Divine Liturgies are part of the Eastern Rite. The Pope has said all are historically important and solemn. The Anglican Use is a subset so to speak of the Roman Rite.