David Ray Griffin Debunks Popular Mechanics in Osaka

[roquefortfiles]

this guy is SO FULL OF IT!!! OMG!! I am STUNNED he is an educated man. The total lack of understanding of what he speaks about... OMG!!!

[Born2Flesh]

You use "OMG" a great deal......you seem very upset? lol You, yourself know that PM is telling lies to support the official story. 9/11 = Inside Job

[roquefortfiles]

@Born2Flesh LOL!! its all in jest dude!! I don't take this nonsense seriously!! The only reason i enter in to these discussions is to throw a little bit O logic at people who have none.

And why is this an inside job? Tell me all about it.

[memcmp]

DRG is a freaking moron, he doesn't back anything up with science, instead he just says because NIST is a government agency, it has to all be wrong. But hey you idiot truthers believe that is definition of scientific method, so you must be right. Did I mention that not a single sample of your active thermitic dust has any decent provenance?

[RagHeadKILLER1]

Can you blow your own horn?

[AvocadoDharma]

character assassination will never be sufficient. WHO here has or is willing to actually look upon the evidence? WHO here is referencing anything even resembling relevant evidence? again, character assassination is not sufficient. is this understood by all?

[memcmp]

Hey DRG. There is a difference between nutty conspiracy theories and actual conspiracies. Yes, the official story amounts to a conspiracy. But it is not a THEORY it is a fact. For gods sake when will you wake up to the truth.

[memcmp]

This guy griffin has got to be the stupidest person in the world. Go away old man. Stop trying to make a buck off of 9/11.

[burgersforreal]

...its not like hes become a millionaire off of this dumbshit...

[airmanjapan]

Wow!! This is pathetic. There is a conference? Why? The buildings were hit by planes. The buildings fell down. Move on. To insinuate the government blew up these buildings and kiiled all these people is ridiculous. You mean to tell me we killed all these people and nobody with a guilty conscience says"oh man I'm sorry for killing all these people" No! Get a life. This guy is a crackpot! Stop poisoning young people with your BS! You mane me sick!

[Azrael24]

Which makes them the ONLY building in history to fall due to fire. LOL. I don't think most involved knew what would happen. That's why many of them actually do speak up about Cheney telling NORAD to stand down, the problem is YOU listen to mainstream news. Mainstream news is corporately owned, get a clue.

[jonver92]

look at the facts before u say stupid shit like this

[999silverrush]

@airmanjapan I suggest you look up the gulf of tonkin incident. It has been found out, very recently, through the freedom of information act, that the incident, which started the vietnam war, for us, was fabricated. No fabrication would likely mean no war. The war killed 58,000 Americans and we killed over a million vietnamese people, over a lie. Life isn't Candyland, read a book.

[EtonSmegma]

This is amazing to me. Popular Mechanics surveys hundreds of engineering and scientific researchers at the top universities in the country. There's no disagreement about what happened. Ask yourself, how much physics do you really know?

[Azrael24]

You are special. NEVER trust a survey. I've worked behind the scenes of news, trust me, they are EASY to manipulate adn they do it constantly.

[bettertobealive]

btw to agree with the official collaps of wtc 7 is to deny the basic laws of nature/physics.

[wolfumz]

this video should be titled, dr. griffin the master debater. His riveting new evidence against popular mechanics:

the definition of a conspiracy

attacks against the character of popular mechanics

conspiracy theory against staff of popular mechanics

attacks against authority - science buffs and researchers have less authority than a theologian who refuses to publish anything where someone would have to review his research

another glorious triumph for the truth movement

[Laysoles]

Yet notice not one signle actual evaluation of the physics, equations, evidence, or witnesses.

Another glorious triumph for debunkers. Griffin can't provide any hard proof.

[MDBPRO]

People, pay close attention this is why were all screwed the elite do not out number

us sleeping brainwashed human robots do!

Even when you show them facts and not theories they are deaf and blind.

Some of them don't even want to know the truth knowing well somethings just not right.

We will all be held in chains together

as long as we have them within our society misinformed,

asleep, apathetic, lethargic, depressed, and oppressed.

[OutlawTomFantastic]

Why won't this jackass actually debate someone? Let's see him debate the Popular Mechanics guys or any credible/prominent debunker.

[biped19]

Popular Mechanics is a serious magazine. It is so serious that in between the all of the woodworking articles and Chevy truck adds, they mange to squeeze in a couple of pages of "war on terror" articles. Very serious magazine.

[biped19]

Sorry folks conspiracies of all forms do exist. Conspiracies are simply the elite conducting business with their "equals." Get over it. You are not knowledgeable enough to know what power systems are doing against you ALL the time. It never ceases to amaze the arrogance certain people have when they attack someone who suggests that their little world may not be entirely ruled by them. This is from the cant get one over by me! crowd.

[bettertobealive]

Lol yeah i think it's funny when amateur psychologists try to claim you have some horrible psychological condition when you question accepeted beliefs.

It is said that people believe in conspiracies because they like to feel clever and that they know a secret or like to feel in a club. It could be argued that people who write off substantiated conspiracies, have the same attitude of "Im obviously more intellectual than these baseless internet trawlers"

It's the same principle imo.

[kmica2008]

@bettertobealive no matter what side you're on, both sides like to feel clever because they have no fucking idea.

a layman is in a jury and decides what side was more convincing. a jury can't be pressured like it's being done here on youtube.

in the loose change vs pm debate pm won because they were in suits and acted politely. i thought only old people are dumb enough to buy that. they never had to argument anything, their sleazy demagogy and serious posture wins against the nervous lc kids.

[Laysoles]

I love how he sits there and tries to discredit people by just saying oh you would have to say they are nutty for making this conspiracy theory, or a bunch of popular mechanics staff was fired (which is bs they weren't)

Point is the mudslinging, name calling, and speculative thinking is not a substitute for hard evidence, and physics.

[Laysoles]

david ray griffin is so full of bs he does not debunk anything he just stands there and tries to discredit the people at popular mechanics.

This speach is a political speach, but it does not provide ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT HIS CLAIM.

Statements like "conspiracy means 2 or more people agree to do something illegal"

Excuse me what does that have to do with anything about actually debunking anything using any proof.

[mickmadd55]

this isn't the whole speech, check the links provided or read his books! there's evidence aplenty if you can stomach it.

[Laysoles]

Lol mick anyone can sit there and say this evidence however its interpretation of what it actually and truly is can not be disputed.

So if this idea is hard to grasp let me use an example.

"Evidence would suggest that a giant boulder struck the WTCs, pentagon, and shanksville field. The evidence for it is in all cases a really big hole was left" Now this statement does not hold up at all when you also take into account the vast other amounts of evidence.

Truthers claims are no different

[mickmadd55]

i'm not sure i follow what you're saying. Most of the incriminating facts against the official story are self evident, no wild beliefs needed. check out the danish scientist here on youtube, who has a recent peer reviwed paper detailing the traces of thermite explosives found at the base of the towers. There is evidence you can't dispute! See too the "coincidence theorists guide to 911" from the rigorous intuition website.

[Laysoles]

The incriminating facts are not self evident and whoever is doing these so called peer review papers clearly should not be doing them in the first place for the following reasons.

-All those chemicals are present in other products not just thermite.

-There is easily the possibility that the recovered samples of thermite was used in the clean up process

The evidence I can not disput? Hardly. I can. Further more do you know how impracticle it is to use thermite in a demolition?

[MaryOMackie]

#1 where did the sulfer come from?

#2 Show me at least ONE other example, as in building 7 where a steel framed building collapsed free fall speed in it's own foot print due to damage at the corner and a few localized fires on some of the floors.

May I refer you to the tower in Madrid which burned an entire towering inferno for over 24 hours and the entire skeletal structure was still standing strong.

This must mean you believe that Americans grasp of structural engineering are piss poor.

[Laysoles]

Well if you believe what you are saying then yes I believe your grasp of structural engineering is piss poor.

It was not free fall only idiots like you who don't know how to use a timer believe that. The start of the collapse happened 8 seconds prior to the rest of it, it was not free fall.

Localized fires? Lol it was a raging fire fed by desiel generators. Oh wait I know what your saying it looked good on that one side.

Maybe you should step out of your limited thought.

[ValiantArrow]

...Yes... All of that before they discovered nano-thermite all over NYC. You are one step further away from the truth than those who know absolutely nothing about 9/11... See Prof. Harrit's peer-reviewed study on the thermite found in the 9/11 debris.

Did I mention that it is peer reviewed?

[metallicat61003]

be no future for anyone! They arent stupid! they all know that the majority are asleep and they are taking full advantage! you wait..all these stimulus packages, and bailouts are going to destroy the value of the dollar! before their done there is gonna be 4trillion more dollars circulating into the economy thus raising inflation, thus weakening the dollar that much more..Obama, Bush they all work for the same interests. THE BANKS! politicians are merely puppets for the system thats all!!!

[metallicat61003]

promoted!!! not a single one held accountable!! All this brought to you by the government that lied about WMD's in Iraq! The same government that lied about the air quality in NYC in which firefighters and rescue workers are still getting sick and dying! The same government that was in the hand of Enron! we all know that ken lay and George W were best of friends, But yet there is no way that they would lie to you......WAKE THE FUCK UP little boy..if you don't get mad and do something there will

[metallicat61003]

and your telling me THAT aint a conspiracy??? 100 flights had been intercepted in the year prior not one plane was allowed to stay in the airspace when off course, but yet somehow 4 planes on the same day were hijacked and this protocol was ignored? Theres proof from eyewitness testimony that dick cheney gave the stand down order,. then Norad and the FAA both gave such contradicting stories that the 911 commision had to make up it's own crackpot timetable, and to boot all those people were

[metallicat61003]

911 is therefore in itself a conspiracy, because it holds that the attacks resulted from osama bin laden and a bunch of cave dwelling muslims somehow bypassing the most sophisticated defense system on the planet!! 4 planes going off course and not one single fighter is scrambled! the pentagon which is equipped with sophisticated anti-aircraft missles that automatically shoot down any non military aircraft that is flying in anywhere near it because thats restricted airspace!

[sjvietboy408]

4 airplanes hijacked, 3 hit their targets therefore the "terrorists" scored 75%, but what about the other 25% that they failed, the 4th plane "crashed" in an open field. The last plane was on its way to hit Bush and his criminal friends in the White House, but it failed. How convenient......!!!

[Forthebarricade]

you know...i have a conspiricy...i think the people at the corbettreport are part of al-queda..thats why they want people to believe then dont exist.fuck u 9/11 conspirist 9/11 was a terrorist attack against the united states of america accept it and move on

[Taaveto]

well you are the first hugely-enormously- brainwashed person i've ever read about...

congrats!

[Forthebarricade]

right...so im brainwashed for not thinking that our government would kill 3000 people in one attack, then...continue to kill its own people and people from other nations to keep up the little game right? ur fuckign retarded..and so i sapose u think obama will continue to order them to attack? or will they stop...u lost ur most relevant case on january 20th, and by the way that relevent case was about as relevent as a 2 year old not eating chicken because he dosnt like it. go die u fag

[Taaveto]

You can conclude anything you like from my statement.

And luckily it's not my government, but i still am concerned about it's actions. How can one automatically accept and believe official versions?

Futhermore, i do not understand your vulgarity in the last sentence, which makes absolutely no sense at all.

It seems like you don't understand the 9/11 and it's meaning.

We will see , what change Obama will bring to USA and to the world. I am fairly optimistic.

*Taavet

[Forthebarricade]

....-.- ok ill explain again...since u think obama will bring change.. AND u think that bush and his admisitration were behind all the terrorist attacks, 9/11 and all the soldiers killed in countrys far. u are implying that when obama takes office. there will be no more attacks. so what if there are? then u fucking wrong! u retard.. theres no reason to think that our government is betraying us...ur the one who is brainwashed..not me

[shiverstin02]

"right...so im brainwashed for not thinking that our government would kill 3000 people "

its so strange that people think this is just out of the question considering hundreds of millions of people have been slaughtered by their own government throughout history.

you are also extremely ignorant in believing the power chain stops at the President of the United states.

[metallicat61003]

First of all NO 911 was def part of a bigger plan for mideast dominance, and second judging by your name im assuming that you are all for the barricade at the border?? if thats true then look up the north american union cuz guess what it is already well underway so prettyy much soon enough america canada, and mexico will be one big conjoined nation...you will be living amongst mexicans and canadians cuz there will be NO BORDERS! say goodbye to the constitution folks!!!

[Forthebarricade]

actualy...for the barriace is a phrase me and my friends made up when we were playing dead rising.. we took a bunch of shit put it infront of a door and the zombies couldn't get through. and everytime we were about to be over run we would scream for the barriacde :).lol so u just made a complete dick of ur self, aint that a bitch!...lol u guys are idiots. im 15 and in about 2 weeks iv debunked all fo ur bullshit. o please critize me onspelling cause thats what u fags do when some one els isright

[metallicat61003]

hey i man enough to admit i'm wrong...honestly though that names sounds political but whatever that don't matter. and no i don't give a shit about how u spell, but there is no way that all the scientists and engineers and scholars, and military people, and firefighters,and even a select few politicans are wrong. This aint no crackpot fabrication. in fact look up the definition of conspiracy "an agreement to perform together an illegal, treacherous, or evil act." therefore the official account of

[rfalfonse]

I love how that stops "debunkers" in their tracks when you point out to them that THEY are conspiracy theorists pushing this theory that 19 cave dwellers (led by another cave dweller on dialysis) did 911.

They get this kind of stunned look almost as though you shouldn't have been so smart as to catch them out on the obvious hypocrisy of their argument.

[Dubbi]

I was using sarcasm as an act of kindness. But please, define what an "implication" is. Now that that's done, admit that Griffin doesn't actually address any of PM's claims. Or you could state the video is misnamed. Either one works.

[Dubbi]

combatsambonyc,

I asked to cite a claim. The term "conspiracy theorist" wasn't a claim in the Popular Mechanics debunking piece. "He begins by debunking the false premise of using "conspiracy theorist" as a pejorative term to dismiss anybody"

Then why did popular mechanics proceed to address the specific truther claims. Wouldn't they simply dismiss them and end the article right there?

[combatsambonyc]

"Debunking 911 Myths" implies a conspiracy theorists must have been behind the myth to begin with. David Ray claims the editors at Popular Mechanics were changed right before the 9/11 debunking piece they did. I'm sure you could call their human resources department and verify that information if you need it. I don't know if anything David Ray says is true. It takes a certain level of faith to believe ANY information you are given. Try checking out The Truth & Lies of 9/11 by Mike Ruppert.

[Dubbi]

"Debunkg 911 Myths" implies that they are myths. It's that simple. And they take on one myth at a time, as opposed to entertaining every red herring. I don't care if George Bush wrote that article. The claim is either a myth or it isn't. In the video, Griffin never takes on a specific claim of the PM article.

[combatsambonyc]

thats not what implies means

[Dubbi]

Can anyone point out one claim which Griffin attempts to debunk in this video?

[dalebsorry]

Yeah, no shit. All he did was try to marginalize people who (appropriately enough) discard conspiracy theorists as crazy.

[combatsambonyc]

He's pointing out the conspicuous fact that Pop Mechanics editors were hired a little before "Popular Mechanics" was tasks with debunking 9/11 and that they were hired by the a conspiring crime family (not unlike the mafia) who owned the rag mag.

[dalebsorry]

That's some pretty ridiculous speculation and a classic example of the sort of Ad Hominem arguments conspiracy theorists like to use so often. Don't attack the facts, attack the unsubstantiated perception of an ulterior motive.

[combatsambonyc]

"Ad Hominem" - Actually David Ray is attacking the peculiar circumstances surrounding particular persons not the persons themselves. I don't know much about David Ray. But I do know Mike Ruppert, a former Los Angeles prosecutor, cites lots of mainstream sources in The Truth & Lies of 9/11.

[combatsambonyc]

He begins by debunking the false premise of using "conspiracy theorist" as a pejorative term to dismiss anybody, on the basis of some presupposed character-flaw, rather than the validity of their argument or evidence. The pop cultural vernacular today is using "conspiracy theorist" to dismiss people as crackpots and cooks. I assure you the word conspiracy is not synonymous with crackpots and cooks but is a valid word used in our own U.S. judicial system on a daily basis.

[DBlundon]

If the government wants to get rid of these 9/11 truthers so bad, why dont they show more than 2 tapes of the planes hitting the pentagon or at least one with quality?

2 tapes monitoring the pentagon, wow i feel soo SAFE

take FOX,CNN,MSNBC,ABC,etc and dont listen to them.

try "Jesse Ventura The Secret Government"

He was a Governor of Minnesota, Actor, WWF Wrestler, Marine, Autor who was paid by the government to be popular. why hasn't main stream news cover this?

[seeksthetruth7]

Ventura yeah he knows his stuff he was a SEAL with training in demolition, he would know that those buildings were choped up by thermite and then blasted. common sense should be enough for most people.

[piwright42]

You take you facts from any source that supports your view and disregard credible ones. For this reason there is no balance behind your hypothesis.

[piwright42]

I did a search on Rothchild and 911 and I could find no credible sources that support your assertion. Just paranoid, conspiracy blogs. I know you'll just say the media is in on the conspiracy but I doubt that as well. The media is more democrat than republican, look how Obama was treated during the election. If the democratic media was sitting on a bombshell like that they would have cut their own throats just to use it to discredit the republicans.

[piwright42]

Do you have any proof of these allegations? I would like to know how you came by the knowledge that the US government was having sex in the next building while watching everyone die. For that matter what does anthrax and Clinton running drugs have to do with 9-11? Sorry no offense intended, I'm just curious.

[Buzz42day]

Griffin is quite ignorant.

[ConspiracyNut]

buzz42day, you are wrong. Griffin is grate! i met him and he said he wanted dick up his ass, so I obliged. each time I pumped him, he said "9111 was an onside job". it was grate. Down with teh NWO!!

[felicity5150]

Meigs is a piece of shit liar traitor scum. Investigate 9/11.

[22norakuro]

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[eekdog2005]

please....investigate 9.11

[777CARL777]

"The New Pearl Harbor" was one of the first books to question the validity of the official story. David Ray Griffin's work has been the basis for all the research that has shown an inside job. "Popular Mechanics" mimics the official story and ridicules all who disagree. They're about as correct as NIST's thermal expansion fantasy of WTC 7.

[akhenaton2012]

777carl777 You are right on the nail my friend

[37uber]

err

[dobtoronto]

it's not pleasant watching this video

[conquesimo]

What were you expecting? Someone to rub your balls?

[ConspiracyNut]

"What were you expecting? Someone to rub your balls?"

Yes, conquesimo, will you rub my balls.