looks so damn familiar... that's the way Russian forests looked like last summer. Sometimes when people were outflanked by a fire like this, only a couple of large bones (skull, pelvis or several spinal bones) could be found.
Im sorry gents but I have to side with the australian fella here in ontario you guys are working flat ground with less fuels in BC which is where i work and in australia we have hight temps steep ground and strong winds although we havent had anyone pass away in many years except for a pilot so your argument is basically a moot point. As for who has the best command well there is a reason why Australia asks for our leadership when shit gets out of hand.
Im sorry gents but I have to side with the australian fella here in ontario you guys are working flat ground with less fuels in BC which is where i work and in australia we have hight temps steep ground and strong winds although we havent had anyone pass away in many years except for a pilot so your argument is basically a moot point. As for who has the best command well there is a reason why Australia asks for our leadership when shit gets out of hand.
Im sorry gents but I have to side with the australian fella here in ontario you guys are working flat ground with less fuels in BC which is where i work and in australia we have hight temps steep ground and strong winds although we havent had anyone pass away in many years except for a pilot so your argument is basically a moot point. As for who has the best command well there is a reason why Australia asks for our leadership when shit gets out of hand.
it all depends on the FWI and the fuel type. it could be S-1 or M1 and they spread completely differently. and California and im sorry to say but American fires arnt acted upon in the same way as the Canadian fires.also RH windspeed and the last days weather are huge factors. Id estimate and im not even close to an expert but there is probably a FWI of around 20-25. which is extreme wildfire weather. all crews will be on a 5min leash. and all fires would probably be acted upon by a crew
No offense but Canada isn't even on the same page as America. They aren't even required carry shelters, their hose lays take forever and they have lame tactics. America sets the bar for firefighting and thats why when Australia burns we are the first to call in for command support. You can't beat an American Hotshot crew, we are the best hands down and always will be. so much experience and 20 people on and IHC can out work 50 ppl from Canada anyday. just a fact man. I have seen it.
ok so all the fires in california, the 20 hotshots who died that one year on the side of a hill?, the most canadians have done was... well have a low casulty and o yea were home to a national and international forest firefighting organisation. and as another blunder in american wildfire management, yellowstone. Australians r good, but when it comes to laying hose, me and my team laid 3km of hose in an hour, then got the fire UCd in 5 hours, it was only a 5ha fire. no big deal
yeah but Canada has no where near the fire behavior and activity that we do and I have been on several fires where people have died from a burnover. Most of the time they did something that they shouldn't have but that doesn't mean they were wrong, it means that when you have 6 months to decide how it should have been done you can make a better decision.
USA is home to a national and international (Forest service) and local state firefighting crews as well. Yellowstone was not a blunder on our behalf, it is a national park and as such fires are to burn in their natural way without outside impact. Yellowstone just got so big that we had to do something about it. And a hotshot crew can lay 3km of hose in 45 min or less easy. Over any terrain. Its just what we do man.
yea we have federal, and provincial crews, as well as 1stnation crews, and if ur command is the best in the world then how did u let the australia fire kill almost 200ppl? in canada mab 1 firefighter dies a year on a bad year, canadian firefighters can aquire any peice of equipment at any time, we dont need shelters in parts of canada because we just go in black or jump in a lake or marsh. were much better structured here than the US
It is like arguing with someone who has never done the job. Our command killed 200 ppl? How about Australia has rules about evacuations and we have no power to do anything we can only suggest, and did, they chose not to issue an evac order. And it is easy to only lose 1 firefighter when you have 1/10th of the fires we do. Sorry man but you are way out of your league here.
no i said how, if u have the best command of the fire, let 200 ppl almost, die because of it. a simple burnout would have done the trick, its common practise. if we are way out of our league who made the FWI? Canadian, where is this study, Canada. where do common practices come from , canada. we have 3X the forest the US does. u do the math. as i remember canadian crews are called into the us every year. almost without fail
just adding onto the yellowstone incident, the reason the fire went so large was that the powers that r so superior to everyone elses, extinguished the fires every year leading up to that point, so as a result u pretty much had slash all over the park, dry and waiting for a spark. and then the whole park went to hell and back. in our forests we do prescribed burns, even in queens park downtown city central toronto. makes everything nice and pretty
It is a natural park and as such all fires in there are left natural that are started naturally. We didn't extinguish fires that weren't started by man and we didn't do any prescribed burning because we left it NATURAL. We burn more acreage in prescribed fire outside of nautural parks than any country in the world. Keep trying.
yea sometimes keeping it au naturel is the problem. ever heard of banff national park? theres hectares of wood burned there every year. and almost every fire in ontario is left to burn until it comes across a human settlement. or its in a high quality timber area. and the problem with yellowstone was the fact that all fires in the park wee actioned. thats y the fire was so large
in a crowning fire like that, youd be a nice roast for a bear. the fire shelter would just roast you. best thing to do is run. jump into a marsh or bog or something and keep dumping water on yourself. also look for good black. meaning that areas burned and theres no fuel to burn
I agree, the fire shelter doesn't do jack for conductive heat, you still need some distance between yourself and open flame. As far as jumping into a marsh or something... I don't know. You might not burn up, but you wouldn't be able to breathe. IMO the best option is to be damn aware of what going on around you so that your not in that situation.
thats wat i was taught. if ur in a declining situation look for good black, wrap a wet cloth around ur mouth and nose, or go in a bog. its all safe zones because of the water level or becasue there is no more fuel left to burn. and you and the rest of ur team will look after the hazards, flag or cover the hazard. but u all have redios and theres always warnings going out every time theres a new development
maybe its where we fought fire, in my region it rare to find a bog big enough to consider a saftey zone. you might be close to one at some point durring a fire, but not often enough to really consider a plan A type of thing.
im from ontario, were known for mosquitoes, blackflies, and black spruce bogs, not to mention poison ivy [my personal favourite] and the bogs are large enough to protect you long enough to get soaked up and safe enough in the middle. and the general attack plan on a fire in ontario is a good old trench and spread, and a soak and spread on FF and parallel and direct hits with the hose
yeah i think that explains it. i was fighting fire in eastern oregon and washington mostly, although i did spend a tour in california (what a joke that was) and a couple stints in Idaho. very dry and steep areas. twice we were in hells canyon it over a mile deep in some places and at least a sixty percent grade. we mostly did backburns along the lip of the canyon to contain it within the bowl. when a fire make a run up that canyon there's no stopping it.
no the best is cold trailing until u come across a standing chicot, call in the chopper and dump its ass. then cut the soab down. we have relatively flat ground here. and yea one of my goals is to get called to california and drain a stars pool
cold trailing! ah i had forgotten about cold trailing lol. california fires suck though. there is a reason it burns all the time, its because they fight it like idiots.
cuz all the ppl form cali r idiots, prissy guys and there fancy ass cloths that cost 3X as much as i spend in a month. cold trailing is awesome, 3days relaxin in the sun, fine a green patch and take a nap, good times
all the same here, knock 2 birds with one shovel. and i would never would wiht felons, especially if they were in there for some violent crime, i dont need the xtra risk
Violent crimes are not allowes to be on Con crews, only people life Frauds and stuff and in my 8 years of experience I have worked with TONS of DOC crews and my experience is that they are so happy to be there and they work their asses of for like 14 cents a day or some shit. They are honestly just out there for fun and wanna stay. They can save you a bunch of work. Usually decent dudes too, I was sketched out about it the first time but I will take a con crew any day. hard workers.
thats worse than child labour in china, in canada i think xcons get like 14 an hour at least in ontario. dont know for sure but they get at least 9.50/hr
wrapping a wet cloth around your mouth can kill you even if the flames don't. heat on something we creates steam which burns flesh way worse and way easier than dry air. It is the worst thing you can do. As I said, way out of your league.
i can make it snow on the fire =)
jwheeler13 2 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
i am assuming this is an expensive thermal camera
garycalgary 2 months ago
Talk about being trapped in hell
Naruto5tails 2 months ago
Perfect example of flashover.
GrizBearman 4 months ago
its cool how you can see the fire but now i feel bad for trees and animals :(
45cookie1 5 months ago
Let us all remember this, and keep vigilant. Let's not allow complacency into each other...Do not let this happen to you!
jwidmann03 6 months ago
Thats intence 2 min to catch fire, burn, and flash off
SteveRon4 8 months ago
This is epic and amazing. but how did the camera not explode or something?
insanejokertex 1 year ago 8
poor camera
neonbluen851 1 year ago
that was fast it caught on fire in 30 seconds (about)
sasuke3141 1 year ago
looks so damn familiar... that's the way Russian forests looked like last summer. Sometimes when people were outflanked by a fire like this, only a couple of large bones (skull, pelvis or several spinal bones) could be found.
aleclitvinov 1 year ago
@aleclitvinov yeah allmost 900c is hot (could reatch 1000 if windy)
SweStuff94 8 months ago
what i would like to know is how the camera stayed safe and running the whole time.
gfriklmm8 1 year ago
@gfriklmm8 my 10th too :)
teterrme 1 year ago
at 0:14 you can see the trees begin to off-gas
travis3113 1 year ago
This video was taken on my 23rd birthday!
FatherAndSonTuesday 1 year ago
looks like over fuel loading, a very large problem thanks to years of poor forest management...
chivo1580 1 year ago
Wow ....looks like a nuclear firestorm....
TheDigitalGeisha 1 year ago
wow some metal can resist 900c? Oo
some may resist 900f but 900c?
itwasnotme123 1 year ago
im wondering if this camera had some good protection around it. that fire is like a oven baking that camera.
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Im sorry gents but I have to side with the australian fella here in ontario you guys are working flat ground with less fuels in BC which is where i work and in australia we have hight temps steep ground and strong winds although we havent had anyone pass away in many years except for a pilot so your argument is basically a moot point. As for who has the best command well there is a reason why Australia asks for our leadership when shit gets out of hand.
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Im sorry gents but I have to side with the australian fella here in ontario you guys are working flat ground with less fuels in BC which is where i work and in australia we have hight temps steep ground and strong winds although we havent had anyone pass away in many years except for a pilot so your argument is basically a moot point. As for who has the best command well there is a reason why Australia asks for our leadership when shit gets out of hand.
peg8nice 1 year ago
Im sorry gents but I have to side with the australian fella here in ontario you guys are working flat ground with less fuels in BC which is where i work and in australia we have hight temps steep ground and strong winds although we havent had anyone pass away in many years except for a pilot so your argument is basically a moot point. As for who has the best command well there is a reason why Australia asks for our leadership when shit gets out of hand.
peg8nice 1 year ago
How much would it suck to be trapped in that place...
sega31098 2 years ago 8
Well I guess we won't know until we meet up with the ones that have lost there lives in the line of duty.
R.I.P ALL FD LODD
MonroviaE101 2 years ago
WOW thats crazy. i wana camera like that
evlriss 2 years ago
what kind of camera is that to work in such conditions.. amazing!
ncuxap12444 2 years ago
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nambis 2 years ago
Thats awesome.
I like how you can see the temp. graph!
JohnR177 3 years ago
me please
1acidboy 3 years ago
marshmallows any1?
ASi1va 3 years ago 2
wow?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!
jnf11 3 years ago
omg
LeonaLewisIsTheBest 3 years ago
This is an experiment in Canadian forest, where scientist studied wildland fire behavior.
canopyfire 4 years ago
I'm amazed they could control that thing.
2007Escalade 4 years ago
I thought it was fast forwarding at first, then I saw the timer... that fire moved very fast. 3 min, went from green forest to wasteland...
2007Escalade 4 years ago
me too,, untill I saw this comment.. thats nuts how fast it gets our of hand!
1bkukid1 4 years ago
ya, add in 30-40 mph winds in california with a temp. of 90-100 already and they spread freakin fast..
bullzisnipr3 3 years ago
it all depends on the FWI and the fuel type. it could be S-1 or M1 and they spread completely differently. and California and im sorry to say but American fires arnt acted upon in the same way as the Canadian fires.also RH windspeed and the last days weather are huge factors. Id estimate and im not even close to an expert but there is probably a FWI of around 20-25. which is extreme wildfire weather. all crews will be on a 5min leash. and all fires would probably be acted upon by a crew
SM110989 2 years ago
No offense but Canada isn't even on the same page as America. They aren't even required carry shelters, their hose lays take forever and they have lame tactics. America sets the bar for firefighting and thats why when Australia burns we are the first to call in for command support. You can't beat an American Hotshot crew, we are the best hands down and always will be. so much experience and 20 people on and IHC can out work 50 ppl from Canada anyday. just a fact man. I have seen it.
rmmcpher 2 years ago
ok so all the fires in california, the 20 hotshots who died that one year on the side of a hill?, the most canadians have done was... well have a low casulty and o yea were home to a national and international forest firefighting organisation. and as another blunder in american wildfire management, yellowstone. Australians r good, but when it comes to laying hose, me and my team laid 3km of hose in an hour, then got the fire UCd in 5 hours, it was only a 5ha fire. no big deal
SM110989 2 years ago
yeah but Canada has no where near the fire behavior and activity that we do and I have been on several fires where people have died from a burnover. Most of the time they did something that they shouldn't have but that doesn't mean they were wrong, it means that when you have 6 months to decide how it should have been done you can make a better decision.
rmmcpher 2 years ago
USA is home to a national and international (Forest service) and local state firefighting crews as well. Yellowstone was not a blunder on our behalf, it is a national park and as such fires are to burn in their natural way without outside impact. Yellowstone just got so big that we had to do something about it. And a hotshot crew can lay 3km of hose in 45 min or less easy. Over any terrain. Its just what we do man.
rmmcpher 2 years ago
yea we have federal, and provincial crews, as well as 1stnation crews, and if ur command is the best in the world then how did u let the australia fire kill almost 200ppl? in canada mab 1 firefighter dies a year on a bad year, canadian firefighters can aquire any peice of equipment at any time, we dont need shelters in parts of canada because we just go in black or jump in a lake or marsh. were much better structured here than the US
SM110989 1 year ago
It is like arguing with someone who has never done the job. Our command killed 200 ppl? How about Australia has rules about evacuations and we have no power to do anything we can only suggest, and did, they chose not to issue an evac order. And it is easy to only lose 1 firefighter when you have 1/10th of the fires we do. Sorry man but you are way out of your league here.
rmmcpher 1 year ago
no i said how, if u have the best command of the fire, let 200 ppl almost, die because of it. a simple burnout would have done the trick, its common practise. if we are way out of our league who made the FWI? Canadian, where is this study, Canada. where do common practices come from , canada. we have 3X the forest the US does. u do the math. as i remember canadian crews are called into the us every year. almost without fail
SM110989 1 year ago
just adding onto the yellowstone incident, the reason the fire went so large was that the powers that r so superior to everyone elses, extinguished the fires every year leading up to that point, so as a result u pretty much had slash all over the park, dry and waiting for a spark. and then the whole park went to hell and back. in our forests we do prescribed burns, even in queens park downtown city central toronto. makes everything nice and pretty
SM110989 1 year ago
It is a natural park and as such all fires in there are left natural that are started naturally. We didn't extinguish fires that weren't started by man and we didn't do any prescribed burning because we left it NATURAL. We burn more acreage in prescribed fire outside of nautural parks than any country in the world. Keep trying.
rmmcpher 1 year ago
yea sometimes keeping it au naturel is the problem. ever heard of banff national park? theres hectares of wood burned there every year. and almost every fire in ontario is left to burn until it comes across a human settlement. or its in a high quality timber area. and the problem with yellowstone was the fact that all fires in the park wee actioned. thats y the fire was so large
SM110989 1 year ago
fire shelter wouldn't do shit in that situation
DannyMF 4 years ago
Sweet, I'll use this next time I teach 130/190
bdisposition 4 years ago
Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris was holding the camera.
tyshalee 4 years ago
No wonder you'd need a fire shelter.
engine173351 4 years ago
in a crowning fire like that, youd be a nice roast for a bear. the fire shelter would just roast you. best thing to do is run. jump into a marsh or bog or something and keep dumping water on yourself. also look for good black. meaning that areas burned and theres no fuel to burn
SM110989 2 years ago
I agree, the fire shelter doesn't do jack for conductive heat, you still need some distance between yourself and open flame. As far as jumping into a marsh or something... I don't know. You might not burn up, but you wouldn't be able to breathe. IMO the best option is to be damn aware of what going on around you so that your not in that situation.
whitelitning75 2 years ago
thats wat i was taught. if ur in a declining situation look for good black, wrap a wet cloth around ur mouth and nose, or go in a bog. its all safe zones because of the water level or becasue there is no more fuel left to burn. and you and the rest of ur team will look after the hazards, flag or cover the hazard. but u all have redios and theres always warnings going out every time theres a new development
SM110989 2 years ago
maybe its where we fought fire, in my region it rare to find a bog big enough to consider a saftey zone. you might be close to one at some point durring a fire, but not often enough to really consider a plan A type of thing.
whitelitning75 2 years ago
im from ontario, were known for mosquitoes, blackflies, and black spruce bogs, not to mention poison ivy [my personal favourite] and the bogs are large enough to protect you long enough to get soaked up and safe enough in the middle. and the general attack plan on a fire in ontario is a good old trench and spread, and a soak and spread on FF and parallel and direct hits with the hose
SM110989 2 years ago
yeah i think that explains it. i was fighting fire in eastern oregon and washington mostly, although i did spend a tour in california (what a joke that was) and a couple stints in Idaho. very dry and steep areas. twice we were in hells canyon it over a mile deep in some places and at least a sixty percent grade. we mostly did backburns along the lip of the canyon to contain it within the bowl. when a fire make a run up that canyon there's no stopping it.
whitelitning75 2 years ago
my favorite was digging fire line through blackberry bushes. haha and gridding for smoke in 30 year old lodgepole blow-down
whitelitning75 2 years ago
no the best is cold trailing until u come across a standing chicot, call in the chopper and dump its ass. then cut the soab down. we have relatively flat ground here. and yea one of my goals is to get called to california and drain a stars pool
SM110989 2 years ago
cold trailing! ah i had forgotten about cold trailing lol. california fires suck though. there is a reason it burns all the time, its because they fight it like idiots.
whitelitning75 2 years ago 2
cuz all the ppl form cali r idiots, prissy guys and there fancy ass cloths that cost 3X as much as i spend in a month. cold trailing is awesome, 3days relaxin in the sun, fine a green patch and take a nap, good times
SM110989 2 years ago
haha yeah and most of their firefighters are convicted felons. cold trailing is fun if your not try mopping too.
whitelitning75 2 years ago
all the same here, knock 2 birds with one shovel. and i would never would wiht felons, especially if they were in there for some violent crime, i dont need the xtra risk
SM110989 2 years ago
Violent crimes are not allowes to be on Con crews, only people life Frauds and stuff and in my 8 years of experience I have worked with TONS of DOC crews and my experience is that they are so happy to be there and they work their asses of for like 14 cents a day or some shit. They are honestly just out there for fun and wanna stay. They can save you a bunch of work. Usually decent dudes too, I was sketched out about it the first time but I will take a con crew any day. hard workers.
rmmcpher 2 years ago
thats worse than child labour in china, in canada i think xcons get like 14 an hour at least in ontario. dont know for sure but they get at least 9.50/hr
SM110989 1 year ago
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rmmcpher 1 year ago
absolutely!!
rmmcpher 2 years ago
wrapping a wet cloth around your mouth can kill you even if the flames don't. heat on something we creates steam which burns flesh way worse and way easier than dry air. It is the worst thing you can do. As I said, way out of your league.
rmmcpher 1 year ago
man,that happends fast
Sammutusmies 4 years ago
Smokey The Bear?
joemac4 4 years ago
Who was holding the camera!?
abezanson27 4 years ago
bob the camera guy was holding the camera :P jk jk
kanesgirl101 4 years ago