(cont.) So to you JW's that are watching, instead of criticizing the video for asking REAL LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS, perhaps you should look at yourself and how seriously you take the organizations counsel. The fact that you are here and giving this "apostate" thinking even a second glance shows that you are questioning the validity of the organization's claims, even if you don't realize it. So, hopefully this will result in your opening your eyes and using logic for once in your life.
I just want to say one thing. I was raised a JW, I am agnostic now. I know a thing or two about the faithful and discreet slave and their rules. I just want to say that any JW watching this video, according to the organization, has committed a terrible sin. Every assembly I've attended since birth warned that anyone giving apostate messages, such as this video would be considered by the slave, even the slightest attention is in effect inviting Satan into their minds....
qualities. And worshipers of god, reside in god's house, so to speak. And in the house of god, there are certain rules. If you disagree, simply read the entire bible. Anyway, dressing, grooming, behavior etc, have been regulated by god since humans existed. Just look at the Garden of Eden for instance.
BTW, you mentioned that you have a new born daughter, belated congrats. Is it safe to assume that your house will have some rules? Like how she dresses, does her hair and behaves? And if you did require certain rules, would your next door neighbor say, have the right to say tell you how to raise your daughter? And if you disagreed, would it be right for them to profile your household as one that "control's behavior?" Just asking cuz jw's consider their members are worshipers of god, having his..
Based on your definition of the properties of a cult, the military fits in quite well. For the most part, people respect the military for all the reasons you mentioned in your questions. Thousands enlist in the military knowing their behavior will be controlled, yet all go voluntarily, at least in the USA. Technically, Jehovah's witnesses fit perfectly into the cult profile. Yet most, subject themselves willingly like soldiers do. So here's my question Tim, based on your definition, do you think
the way a jw come to the door is fake and generic i would rather a regular person on the street come to me then a dressed up person at my door to me it would be more natural and they would seem more friendly not like jw who come at the door like sales people its not suppose to be like that the spirit should move us to preach to people .not wake up every saturday and preach its so fake
You obviously did some research before asking the questions. You used terminology such as "the faithful and discreet slave, worldly" All religions have ideas and practices we see as strange. All religions have bad apples. Focus on that. I see where you are going with these videos and it is not as clever or thought provoking as you think. These are the same questions everyone asks.
@lee1977 I was raised a JW. OK so if all religions have strange practices and all have bad apples, then we really have no reason to leave any religion. We should just wait on God to fix them right? Why don't you just become a catholic then?
ohhhh i got it, you are upset because a JW girl will not date you, i am so sorry to know that...you see i was told that is you have this hate for JW. so Sad....
@sanchez1793 Oh cool so we get to make up stuff, I'm so sorry to hear that you're gay and love getting bukkake all over your face every night from three or four different men. Still did this whole series for my daughter, never asked out a JW girl, never cared to. Got married when I was 21 to my first girlfriend and am still married nearly 10 years later.
wow bro you are sick, you should spend your time fighting crime and people killers, but you are wasting so much time to prove a point that will not change anything, or are you looking for someone to stop loving God, just because you have question, and why just JW, what you don't like it because they are the only once that take their personal time to visit you, well i know you just live a Sad life and you don't want nobody do disturb you...wow.....
When the Great Tribulation starts and they turn on religions are you going to quickly try delete these apostate videos your posting as quickly as you can? well dont bother its too late Jehovah is well aware of your tarnishing his name. so sad.
@iluvrnb1 You should really read comments here before commenting, this little mini-series I made was specifically to gain proof to show that JWs weren't a cult. Though you find it necessary to call me names for this?
@robstah40 You would be shocked with the amount of research I've done I'm willing to bet I've done far more than you have. Try me though ask some questions then I can turn it to you.
I have to say behavior control is a part of Jehovah's Witnesses. But behavior control is a part of everything you do. If you show up to a AA meeting drunk will they let you stay? No. Are they a cult because they kicked you out? No. Same thing with the witnesses. They want people that come to the meeting to give their god respect and not give him and his followers a bad name. Same with AA they want nothing more than you to be there sober with respect for others. Good question tho. =)
@WarOink You know that many people consider AA a cult right? The big thing though isn't one aspect of the BITE method it's the whole sch-bang. Essentially you question a group that has one of these qualities, you run from a group that has ALL of them.
detailairbrushing BROTHERS DON'T EVEN ENTERTAIN THIS TWISTED GARBAGE.
Matthew 7:6 6 Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw YOUR pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip YOU open."
Abviously anyone who puts so much effort into twisting truth, has bad motives. (repeat this message on all these videos
you didnt answer my question about .if i knocked on your door with a black sabbath t-shirt and jeans would you respect me the same as if i had a suit on ? dont you slate peaple who dont answer questions !!! tim they are obvious thats why i dont really have to think about it .....
behaviour control is exersized for sure .all for the good though .if i knocked on your door with a black sabbath t-shirt and jeans would you respect me the same as if i had a suit on ? i find your questions make you look a bit desparate to put people off j/ws .with simple questions with obvious answers for j/ws lol
Have you heard of the logical fallacy "Turning a Negative into a Positive"? It's a cult tactic to turn negative aspects into a positive one, like this Behavior control. Wearing a suit is not the behavior control mentioned here. I find your comment a bit desparate as it doesn't address the actual question and is essentially a straw man. They're only obvious answers if you don't think about them.
@TimKilgore Imno JW but. It is not a requrment to wear suits but it does look allot more proffesional and respectful if you were to wear shirt and tie. I grew up as one and im no longer one. But i can tell you first hand that these things that are said are not true. If your going to find ignorant questions like these atleast argue find truth. How is it a cult if it is a christain denomination? thats a question for you. LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF A CHRISTAIN AND HEAR FROM A JW, DONT BE IGNORANT!!
Are you kidding, the vast majority of cults are Christian denominations. What things said aren't true, I asked a large question of how does behavior control not apply to JWs, then qualifiers of the specific traits of behavior control and how they don't apply. Could you qualify which of the traits don't apply? For the record I don't believe JWs are a cult but figured I'd make this set of questions about the BITE model, it didn't turn out too hot though.
Speaking of regulating one's physical reality, Shazoolo had an interesting theory about the JW discouragement of male members growing beards. He said that some have speculated that it may have started with Joseph Rutherford wanting to get away from the image of Charles Taze Russell who had a full beard.
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
it has wide and far reaching labels for behavior but when it started it only had four, so if you had autism they thought it was related to schizophrenia and it was catatonia. Fear and Stigma instead of clarity and discloser, such this is why I think it is so.
Combatting Cult Mind Control, where am I quoting in it? I don't have the book, so the exact page I don't have, but you know you could read the chapter entitled "Behavior Control" under the BITE model. Or just look it up online. As for your quote, it has nothing to do with behavior control, that is called a red herring argument, since you like to give definitions of fallacies you should know that one.
What I'm asking should be relevant to anyone earnestly seeking truth in a religion, or trying to defend their religion from the term "cult". Negative comments can be both based in emotion and accuracy. If you have bad service at a restauraunt because of cold food, long wait time, and over pricing just because you're emotionally involved does not mean your arguments are invalidated.
But then according to JW lore the bible also only says there is a limited number of people going to heaven. Seems much like a dichotomy in my book. What do I infer people aren't questioning enough, I feel that if people aren't questioning motivations and reasons for any action they are not questioning enough. Please tell me you are not going to be one of those people who removes their comments.
you should dress yourself with modesty, so the tie is not actual a necessarity. also, people dosnt care what they wear aslong as its not dirty or aslong as their style of clothing is not rebllian. if they should care of thir look, jw should also care, not to offend people by refusing blood and not celebrating christmas, because that is whats making them disliked. how ever, poor people get offended by theire allways super nice clothing style. they dont impress anyone.
As I said in an earlier post, Paul stated that women should not wear braids or gold necklaces. Why apply modesty to things not in the bible, but allow things that are expressly mentioned not to do in the bible? Seems like you're just following what you want to in the bible.
if you ask me as a private person, i do have my own style of clothing, but its not against the bilical advices. as for example, there is a fresh study in the congregation that suffer from kleptomania, or he/she could just be dangerously poor, and they get tempted by the shimmerig gold around them. it could shurley make that person fall. But anyway, if a jw, want to be representative, it dosnt automaticly mean he/she need necklesses or a tie, or new shiny shoes every half year. just to be clean.
This doesn't really answer the question I asked you. You're following a scripture that says be modest in appearance and attributing things that are not in the bible to modest, but you're ignoring a scripture which directly tells you what not to wear, why?
hehehe. i am a male suit using, tie hater. either way i look best with regular medium long hair, no heirdo, and i dont use a gold neckless. it happens i use a silver neckless, but that is rarely. so i guess im free from charges.
Ah, well according to the law that Jesus upheld and did not come to destroy but to fufill you should never be trimming your beard. Regardless you can see my point, women are allowed to wear braids and gold necklaces when it's expressly forbidden yet the idea of modest in appearance which is up for interpretation outside of the bible is upheld. If we can just ignore scriptures we don't agree with, what other ones can I ignore?
The hair and dress question can be answered with most versus referring to "Modesty" pink spiked hair plus a dog collar isn't really modest. And Romans 14:13-23, *short version* don't make your brothers (or sisters) stumble.
I know that the type of facial hair allowed for men (but not women) varies in some areas. It all depends on what is socially acceptable in the area. ... give or take.
YOU must not cut YOUR sidelocks short around, and you must not destroy the extremity of your beard. Deuteronomy 22: 11-12
You must not wear mixed stuff of wool and linen together. 12 You should make tassels for yourself on the four extremities of your clothing with which you cover yourself...
Isn't the question though, why DOESN'T this aspect of cult properties, not explain why they do. I believe it's also in Romans that women should not braid their hair, nor wear gold chains, so I'm curious why hold to this scripture about being modest in appearance and apply it to things not in the bible, but ignore a scripture that directly tells one not to wear?
Yeah this little mini-series somewhat backfired. I actually created this four part cult properties series to show that maybe JWs shouldn't be called cult so readily. Then all the JWs commented affirming these qualities.
If u make a thousand videos and 1 person views and comments on each one you would obviously have 1,000 views+comments....All im saying is your just blabbing on your Web Cam instead of actually doing something about it. Like getting legitimate answers/ facts from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
First off, blabbing is quite a negative connotation. Secondly, did you even watch the intro video where I mention where I went, and where I got my facts from. Is the Watchtower not legitimate enough?
Well to answer your question. No going to church with a wifebeater (tang top) or for a girl going in a super mini skirt and or a blouse that shows your belly (Just for example) wouldnt be correct. It is the house of god. Why would you want to disrespect him? Moving on to hairstyles/ facial hair..
the Bible states that we should be well groomed. Doesnt mean we cant have a mustache for example.. but how can u be "neat/well groomed" if ur hair is crazy and u have so much facial hair you look like a bear. Btw, the Watchtower is definitely very legitimate. As it is used as a reference to the Bible.
What's the difference between a mustache and a beard? Can you say there's no such thing as a well-groomed beard? If you show me in the bible where it says people should be well-groomed I'll show you where they can't cut the hair around their temples. About the WT being a reference to the bible, so what, there are thousands of religions that write similar things are they not legitimate too?
I notice you didn't answer the first part about no beard being considered well-groomed. So with this response it seems you're saying that every religious magazine or writing about the bible are legitimate and help you learn the bible just as much as the Watchtower does.
i notice you put words in peoples mouths. I would like to answer your question. But how can i do so with no research? I will try and answer your question in the best way possible. I dont go around saying i know everything. the problem here is obviously that you love to assume.
Assuming, like your previous comments. Please though, the floor is yours. Is there no beard that can be considered well-groomed? Are other publications regarding the bible just as legitimate as the Watchtower?
Well ill answer ur question in short here. Thankfully God gave us free will and with that free will i have done my research and being a JW for 18 Years of my life have found that everything that the Bible states is coming true day after day. I use the Watchtower as a reference to the Bible because it follows the Bible to the Tee and everything that it says comes true.. why? Because its directly from the Bible. So i wont stand here and answer that question..Because im just 1 person and im not
gonna tell u what to read for your information.. and i wont try to convert u... ever! Ill simply show you what the Bible says and explain it profoundly and its up to you to believe it or not using the greatest gift besides life itself.. free will. PS/ the Beard explanation is long .. may i have ur E-mail or somewhere where i can simply put it all in one message?
The bible has alot of stuff in it, like women shouldn't talk in church, etc that are obviously not taken to the nth degree. If it's in the bible IT'S IN THE BIBLE. So you should make sure women do not talk while at church. There are many religions that follow the bible that do not control in such a way, the question would be why does a specific religion use the bible TO control when others don't?
that's an interesting point you bring up. if the witnesses are a destructive mind controlling cult why do they allow women to talk in the kingdom hall? it seems to me that they wouldn't if they were the control freaks you say they are. and if men are told they can't have a beard and be a member of the congregation why are women allowed to shave their legs and armpits? that's clearly a worldy thing. maybe it's because we don't like our women looking like apes?
I ask that in one of my questions why they allow women to talk in the Kingdom Hall? I mean if they are only following the bible, it's strange they decided not to in this case. What scriptures are OK to ignore and which must be adhered to, if any can be ignored. Can you ignore other scriptures or interpret them differently so you don't match the qualification of a destructive cult?
What would happen if the apostles were low class workers, or despised people in hated positions? Oh yeah Jesus would still take them. So you're saying the bible instructs you to act like a destructive cult?
It sounds like you're going by how this one particular person defines "cult." From what I've heard from former JWs, they tell me WTS is definitely a mind controlling cult. But I didn't need them to tell me that. I can recognize a Satan driven cult when I see one. ;)
Thats not true. Most former Jehova's witnesses are because either they wanted it to be or they comited actions of inmorality or any sort of sexualy,illegal actions. Stuff that is designated within the bible itself. We are not mind controllers. We do not force you to believe in our faith and we do not judge an individual if they dont. They have the right to believe in whatever they want and that is something we dont mess with.I think you are confusing us with catholics XD XD
An apostate is a person who uses our information to make us look bad. Telling lies about us. Corrupting others as well as others among us. It is the same as calling a person thief or murderer . An apostate is a person who does not accept the wrongs of his actions and goes againts everything we stand for. If one among us commits acts of murder, thief, or a sexual inmorality,ALL OF THE ACTIONS THAT ARE CONDEMED IN THE BIBLE. Do you actually expect us to maintain such a person in our organization?
"An apostate is a person who uses our information to make us look bad. "
Now, please explain to the readers why you didn't mention God or Christ in your definition of "apostate".
"Do you actually expect us to maintain such a person in our organization? "
No. Yet, there's nothing mentioned in your speech about the shunning of former members. What law have they broken for choosing to follow Jesus instead of the so-called, self appointed "Faithful and Dsiscreet Slave CLASS"?
Who gives you or anybody the right to judgementally label someone an "apostate" that simply does not want to accept certain tenets of your leaders and then spread lies about them to other members, claiming they're lying about the flaws that truthfully do exist in your cult religion?
Why do you protect a pedophiles privacy with words like "slander" yet villify ones who do not want to associate in kingdom halls with these very same pedophiles that seek asylum within the confines of the WTS cult?
"An apostate is a person who does not accept the wrongs of his actions and goes againts everything we stand for. "
Such as going against the "legal department's" decision to protect the privacy of pedophiles within the congregations and limiting the knowledge of who they are to the elders and their secret meetings?
Let me ask you a personal question, Crow. You do not have to answer. Do you personally accept the society's stand on protecting pedophiles so-called "rights" within the Kingdom Halls, when law enforcement agencies everywhere notify neighbors and schools of their release from prison? Do you believe that's fair to young mothers with children in the Kingdom Halls? If you don't, you're an apostate according to the WTS' definition.
Im sorry but I have to answer this and the answer is no. If we would discover such a person within our walls we would inmediately disfellowship him (if he is a member) and report him to the authorities. I do not recall such stand within our society and we do not get in the way of the law. We be delincuents if we did that.
Well, Crow, I suggest you ask the elders to let you review the notes of their textbook "Pay Attention To Yourselves and to All The Flock" and the letters they've been given on the subject so you can see for yourself what I and many others here are aware of - the "don't ask - don't tell" policy of dealing with "known" pedophiles that are showing a measure of repentance. The police and schools don't have this policy, yet the society you support does. Ask to see the letters and textbook. Be brave.
I am not afraid to ask. thank u. I just got lots to do. but appearently you choose to lead your own steps. Theres a story for people like you. Have you ever heard the story of Nemrod? Whos real name is not even shown in the bible? Sorry my friend but your point of view differs from mine. AND ILL STICK UP FOR WHAT I ALREADY KNOW. thank you.
"...but appearently you choose to lead your own steps. Theres a story for people like you."
If you mean think for myself, yes. You're correct.
Please, share the story of ones like me that help unsuspecting ones like yourself out of a mind-controlling cult that are slowly being conditioned to no longer think for themselves. I'd like to hear the story.
You lie. Family members that just dont want to be in our faith are not "shun" or "judge" aggaints . They are family and they deserve the understanding of their decisions but they must also understand the meanings of our ways. I have family members that are non believers and I love them with all my heart and they love me as well. And if they shown up in one of our meetings they be treated as if they were one of us. Our job if to foment love among us all, believers and non believers alike.
Really?! So you're telling me that I'm not being shunned by my former "family" and so-called "friends" for no longer wanting to be subjected to mind-control? You're saying that I'm not being called an "apostate" for choosing to follow Jesus Christ rather than the SELF-APPOINTED so-called "faithful and discreet slave CLASS"? Because the elders visit me once a year yet forbid my own family from speaking to me is considered not being shunned? I think you need to investigate your religion more.
Fortunately, I am no longer on the common "path" you choose. There are billions of people mindlessly following the broad path paved by the clever leaders of cults just like the WTS.
But, that's the tenets you choose to [i]accept[/i]. As far as actually [i]believing[/i] the tenets, well, time will tell if you actually do.
If you saw a woman in ripped jeans, tattoos, nose ring, lots of eye-liner, combat boots, etc. would you assume "You know I BET she's a CHRISTIAN." or a guy in similar attire? Well,it's funny that what North America sees as 'responsible, upright, decent, etc.' is exactly how JW's dress when out in service. So our dress is really dictated by what 'the world' or society in mass(in America) associates with good standing.We just want 2 be positive w/the name. Society dictates it. Not JWs.
LOL, really? Are there teachers and business men with beards? Do people trust them? Are there teachers and business men with long hair? Are there politicians with beards and long hair? The way someone looks does not effect my view of their message, I can take a message on the merits of the message. Are you one of those people who say "You know everything that person makes sense, but man they're wearing cammo, they can't be right"?
Well then I guess you're just one of those bright and shining examples Tim. :) Because, I've literally been around the globe, and whether it's fair or not, in every culture, people are assigned to stereo-types based on their appearance. So, unless you can change the world, maybe you should just leave it up to Christ. It'd free up a lot of your afternoons. lol. Thanks, for everything. God bless.
I don't feel I'm an exception at all, the foremost expert in Archeology has long hair and a beard, in RI Bob Healey regularly runs and gets a sizable portion of the vote and he has long hair and a beard. CEO of Virgin Records has a beard, Suge Knight looked like he would kill you in the street, yet brokered millions of dollars in record contracts. I can find hundreds of examples, in a world that teaches equality and tolerance everything can change.
say you had a very respectful business and you had 1 important sot you had to fill.
2 people show up, one wearing a suit clean cut
and the next shows up bare foot, ratty hair tied behind his head not shaven, and a big potleaf on his shirt.which one would prefer to talk to first. the first becuase he took the time to make a good impretion. he also showed you respect for your place of business.
Well if I were to go to the bible on the subject who would you listen to first, King David or John The Baptist? If you skipped either one of them you might miss something important. So is discriminating based on looks the biblical thing to do then?
Imagine if Jesus came out of the wilderness after forty days and forty nights and then walked into a public talk of Jehovah's Witnesses one fine Sunday morning? Do you think they'd offer him some water and food or sit him in the back like a farm animal? At the very least, would he get strange, cold stares?
Actualy we wouldint. We would treat him like one of our own. If you cant dress up properly because of circumstances that for some reason you cannot control we would understand. In fact we will even help you with those problems. If you want a chair on the the front. ASK! we wont bite.
They can sit where ever they want. Its good enough of an effort for them to STILL assist to our meetings. Treating them differently will only make us seem like hipocrites . We must appreciate the effort they are making EVEN AFTER being disfellowshipped. Wich it would mean to us that he has known the wrong of his actions and admits them and tries to return to the organization. DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK WE LIKE DISFELLOWSHIPPING? NO WE DONT. Is hard even for us but we must maintain order among us.
Right. You treat him like one of your own until he rejects the WTS cyanide propaganda, and then you tell others not to even greet him. That's really true Christianity at its best. Teaching people not to talk to former members, calling them names like "apostate". That's really kind of you. I'm sure Jesus will be quite pleased with you following a bunch of mind controlled nitwits in Brooklyn instead of following him and his loving ways. It's the blind leading the blind. Get out while you still can
It is a way of discipline. It all depends on how you see it. You do something bad, then you must be shown discipline. I know we are imperfect beings but doing incorrect actions while knowing the wrongs of it, its really something that cannot justify itself. Therefore we must take action and give that person an isolated time to admit the wrongs of its actions. What you say is wrong. Sometimes it takes less time . It all depends on that person.
What I say is wrong? So, you're admitting that you shun ones that have returned for even a short time? Who gave you authority as a group to do that? Do you recall Jesus stating that the prodigal son, upon his return to his father from his lascivious course, being shunned for even just one week? One day? One hour? Even one minute?
You're the one who is wrong, my friend. You and your whole religion are both out of order. It's called mind-control.
Right. You'd shower him with attention by using a process cults the world over use called "love bombing" until he became a full recruit and then you'd counsel him to improve through "encouragement" and "repetion for emphasis" (mind control) until he finally got fed up and left. That's how you'd treat Jesus Christ today.
After he'd leave, you'd disfellowship him for "apostasy", a thought terminating cliche which serves as a stereotype, grouping him with millions of others before him that you've done this to in your minds only. You'd "lovingly" shun him for thinking on his own, demonstrating the true mind controlling nature of the cult you're so proud of. You break up families and friendships. You're not going to read what I'm saying and not be affected by it. That's why they do not want you speaking to me.
I like your analogy SCM. What you've given is called "Hobson's Choice". Research what "Hobson's Choice" is and you'll find out that it's a propaganda stunt that raises two, usually completely opposite contrasting choices, with no room for any other possibility. It's clever but not a sound argument.
Let me give you an example that might be more appropriate: If Jesus Christ were to come visit a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses today, would he be encouraged to change his appearance?
Society dictates it? So a beard is unacceptable? The governor of New York is an unacceptable governor because he has a beard? If a beard is unacceptable in a country that spouts "land of the free", something's wrong. Therefore, any cult religion that follows that sort of thinking should be carefully scrutinized as well.
"If you saw a woman in ripped jeans, tattoos, nose ring, lots of eye-liner, combat boots, etc. would you assume "You know I BET she's a CHRISTIAN." or a guy in similar attire?"
The question one must ask oneself Briara is would Jesus try to change that person's appearance? Better yet, would the Scribes and Pharisees try to change that person's appearance? Who really is the FDS? Are they following Christ or are they making themselves false Christs by misapplying one bible scripture? (Mt 24:45)
jesus also stressed the issue that his true followers will be no part of satan's world,( meaning we have to live in it but we dont have to be a follower of it) and doing such things that jesus never did or taught anyone to do that is considered being a part of satan's world. because you are doing things that the world is doing and majority of the world is not righteous they are unrighteous.
What kind of example was Jesus teaching when he said not to be any part of the world but was dining with confirmed drunkards? Don't answer. You can't. And please do not use vulgarities anymore in private message.
well about how we dress no there is no specific scripture that says we must dress a certain way, but it does tell us that we must imitate jesus and be like his true followers back then. once again imitating jesus means following him now would jesus be walking around in baggy pants and such things or would mary be walking around half naked with extremely long nails and crazy hairstyles, i dont think so and neither would jesus be, at least the bible never said that.
well on this one i'm not to sure. well once again people want to modernize themselves, but still have christ like qualities. i mean hey if you're going to a party or out somewhere with a girl or guy you gonna shave your beard so you can have a more clean look right, so i guess it's the same with jw's they wanna look nice and clean cut asw well.
Christ-like qualities are completely different than looking a certain way, or being made to look a certain way. Isn't the saying "don't judge a book by it's cover"? The question though is how does this quality not apply to JWs? This mini-series completely backfired from my original intent LOL.
The Bible never said anything about how Jesus dressed, nor him imposing any sort of dress code on anyone. Look at the people Jesus preached to, they weren't all clean-cut folks, tax collectors, prostitutes, etc. It doesn't say anywhere where he told them to cut their hair or dress a certain way once they decided to follow him.
and i never said there was anything in the bible stating we have adress code, but what i did state was that "we must imitate christ and try to have the same good qualities as he does" but i mean even if there is no dress code in the bible so what, does that mean that we can't modernize ourselves and look clean cut does that mean we are suppose to go to the hall looking crusty and stuff i mean come on get real (when u go to a party or out with a friend u dont go out looking crusty do you come on
Paul, the former pharisee that we're supposed to believe was an apostle based on his testimony only seemed to be the most condemning of what people wore. I guess it was the influence of the Mosiac Law still motivating him. Thank goodness we're not under the Mosaic Law anymore, like we were back in the day when we were in "the truth".
...and while you're at it, why not also become a Moonie, a Hare Khristna, a Scientologist, a Mason, a Mormon, or a member of any one of the many other psychologically destructive cults out there?
What DO I believe? I believe Jehovah's Witnesses use at least 8 criteria to control the minds and actions of their members, just like the Moonies, the Mormons, the 7th Day Adventists, Freemasons and any other propagandist organizations.
I also believe the JWs use secret publications like the Elders Textbook, "Pay Attention To Yourselves and to All the Flock", creating an "imagined community" within a community, a cult within a cult. Don't believe me? Ask the elders about the book. Get a copy.
First, you isolate the minds of naive people with a series of secret publications starting with the OD book, slowly misleading people from their loving families. Then, you pressure them through "encouragement" to be baptized, a point where now if they leave, they lose their "loving" so-called new "family" by a process called disfellowshipping. You pressure people (kids too) to accept tenets your leaders, the so-called "FDS mandate. If they don't accept the tenets, they are corporately shunned.
Since you're going to assume responsibility for your leaders, I will continue. Next, you introduce another secret publication to ones you label "overseers" (enter Theme from TheTwilight Zone) called "Pay Attention To Yourselves and to All The Flock". You use covert brainwashing techniques designed to strip your members of their God given, independent right to think, forming a forum of "pluralistic ignorance" which allows NOTHING to be accepted that might look at your religion critically.
You force children to bang on peoples' doors, teaching things they've been forced to believe, merely to be accepted - leaving those children psychologically defunct without any true identity of their own when they must face the real world later on in life. Their identities that they would have developed are replaced with a non-thinking, non-exploratory identity, programmed to just bang on doors and give "outlined" (scripted) talks. You oppress your women members like second class citizens worse.
JW's go beyond scripture with these stipulations and really should reconsider whether their 'conservative values' have a place in the world since the sixties. Worldly should be defined by heart condition and ethical choices... not whether or not you conform to their prescribed norm. Modesty is obviously a christian principle... [and that's more than flashing legs or breasts around] but also christians should be all things to all ppl. Diversity should be encouraged... not quashed.
So The medical field, the Army,Firefighters all wear the a prescribed uniform, and are governed by highly restrictive & unbreakable rules, as are the boy-scouts, & every professional,college,H.S, and pee-wee league sports team, there all cults to right? again to those reading this who have questions go see for yourself, everyone is entitled to there opinion, dont take mine or his, make your own, even if its the next time they knock on your door.
You're comparing sports teams to JWs. Sure. Since you keep addressing the people watching I will too, do you believe that excuse? Or do you think that's a jump Evel Knievel couldn't make? Please by all means do the research.
Yes. What they are not though are what are labeled as "psychologically destructive cults" like the Mormons, Moonies, Hare Khristnas, Masons, Scientologists and the JWs. These cults break up families and friendships and lure innocent people away from their homes with a "loaded language" and secret publications such as the OD book and the PATYATATF elder's manual, teaching them their "well meaning" family members are really being influenced by Satan the devil.
"even if its the next time they knock on your door..."
If they do knock, ask them for a copy of the "Organized to Do Jehovah's Will" book and watch them talk you out of it. Why? Because it's a book that teaches them their families are being influenced by Satan and their new leader, a larger than life FDS CLASS, a singular entity comprised of unknown kindly men that are the only ones that truly love them now. The book is the Witnesses greatest kept secret from the public.
Ok first of all, the Bible clearly says that he speaks to us through the Faithful and discreet Slave. Second, you obviously do think JWs are a cult. You keep saying that we follow men all the time and the Bible clearly says not to. Wow you are some character. How about you quite making dirty assumptions like that and prove it then.
And who is presumptuous to call themselves a fufillment of biblical prophesy? Where is the proof they are even the Faithful and Discreet Slave, where's the proof of them continuing the work through history. You have seen my videos on that subject. Just because someone says they are the fufillment of biblical prophesy doesn't mean they are, even the bible said there would be people saying Jesus returned and not to listen to them.
The faithful and discreet slave is said to be giving their measure of food supplies at the proper time." I think Jehovah's Witnesses are getting plenty of this food. Do you need me to explain it to you? I will for the sake of you not complaining. This so called "food" is not literal, because if it was I'd be a lot fatter than I am now. This food is spiritual. Jehovah's Witnesses are getting plenty of this food. The society is releasing more books every year for us to learn more about God.
What other religious group is doing the same? None. Go ahead and say catholics or mormans or something, I don't care. Go ahead and give your so called reasoning that there are hundreds of religious groups continuing this work or whatever you are going to say. Let me guess "Oh mormans blah blah blah continue work blah blah blah. Catholics blah blah have meetings blah blah." Well they don't even teach the truth. None of them.
And if you're believing that it's a progressive truth it means you're not teaching truth either. You're using circular logic, simply because the society says what they have is truth (until they correct it) and that they are the faithful and discreet slave doesn't make it so. It just means they think they are, just like every other religion in the world.
He will I'm sure. But of course JWs can help show them the truth. Even if they do or do not accept it does not mean they get a free pass in or that they die. God will decide in the end.
I thought knowing the truth was the way to salvation? Cramped and narrow is the road? If you don't have to accept truth and still can be saved, what's the point of being a JW? You can be saved either way. That sounds rather broad and spacious to me.
Again, I will say this one last time: God decides in the end. I've said a bunch of times. Listen, I don't know what you will say next but I've made it very clear to you that God decides who has the gift of everlasting life. God is perfect in every way and as such has a perfect way of judging everyone regardless of knowing the truth. You really ignore what I say and like to always be contrary to nearly everything I tell you, and you don't need to explain why because I already know why you are.
I'm not ignoring what you say, it's just contradictory. If we can be saved without following the truth, then what's the point of doing it? If it has to be exact truth then why would JWs be saved when they could and have taught falsehoods. The point of the videos and my comments is to get you thinking, if I've done that then good.
I have thought about things. But the most you've done for me is help me learn more about Jehovah and why I view things the way I do. If you follow Jehovah, he adds no pain with it. He gives you happiness if you follow him. I'm not going to stop preaching just because you think it does no good. Your mind reasoned things out wrong and I try and try to show you the correct way, because you asked me to, but you don't really want to know the answers to the questions.
Well I'm glad I could assist you in understanding why you feel the way you do. You're not trying to show me the correct way, but your way. Every religion thinks their way is right, why are you any different than any other religion?
Because you asked for us to show it to you but yet you really ignore a lot of the facts i point out. And besides, find a religion that is right. I'm sure you can find fault in all of them. The faults you find in Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong.
Let's see... Is it true that an eleven year old girl is now being compared to an "unsuitable fish" because the JW she studied with told her she'd be shunned if she decided later she would no longer want to be a member and got scared off?
***w08 7/15 pg 21 par 19***
"As with the unsuitable fish, many who once studied the Bible with Jehovah's
I do not recall but I wouldint certainly tell that little girl those things. We give studies of the bible to help you understand what it means. We are no supposed to go beyond that. If there were brothers who would be doing that, then they be corrected. It all depends on that person if he/she wants to continue our studies of the bible.
"I do not recall"... re-read the article I cited then.
Do you condone your leaders teaching young ones to shun "oral sex", "anal sex", and mutual masturbation" with children as young as two and three years old hearing these things in your meetings? Do you justify this as normal bible teachings? Doesn't that seem somewhat strange to you?
I'd like you to give me a direct answer to this please. This was in the the study article the worldwide "brotherhood" studied several weeks ago.
Jehovah's Witnesses teach God's holy spirit caused Mary's pregnancy. Mormons teach it was God himself that caused it. Who's right? Does it matter? Both claim to have "present truth". Both have altered this tenet from variations in the past, calling it "new light" depending on the cult you choose.
What is the "present truth" today, and what future "truth" can we expect tomorrow?
This so-called "truth" the bozo leaders keep tweaking, shutting off your brain from thinking about important things.
Mormons and Moonies don't teach or allow these things either. As a matter of fact, both those groups also use secret publications to control the minds of their members, just like JWs do. Yet, with JWs you feel that it's acceptable. So, let's see, all three religions have "present truth" that is subject to change (JWs teachings have done a complete turn around to the teachings from the time they were supposedly "approved" by Christ).
Our publications are not private. What we show to the people its exactly the same things that we teach to one another. We do not control the minds of anyone. You believe on your own free will. I believe not because im told to but because Ive expirienced other religions and i have concluded by my self that this "religion" is the right one. On my own free will LOL
(cont.) So to you JW's that are watching, instead of criticizing the video for asking REAL LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS, perhaps you should look at yourself and how seriously you take the organizations counsel. The fact that you are here and giving this "apostate" thinking even a second glance shows that you are questioning the validity of the organization's claims, even if you don't realize it. So, hopefully this will result in your opening your eyes and using logic for once in your life.
LordVator 5 months ago
I just want to say one thing. I was raised a JW, I am agnostic now. I know a thing or two about the faithful and discreet slave and their rules. I just want to say that any JW watching this video, according to the organization, has committed a terrible sin. Every assembly I've attended since birth warned that anyone giving apostate messages, such as this video would be considered by the slave, even the slightest attention is in effect inviting Satan into their minds....
LordVator 5 months ago
qualities. And worshipers of god, reside in god's house, so to speak. And in the house of god, there are certain rules. If you disagree, simply read the entire bible. Anyway, dressing, grooming, behavior etc, have been regulated by god since humans existed. Just look at the Garden of Eden for instance.
fluse5555 6 months ago
BTW, you mentioned that you have a new born daughter, belated congrats. Is it safe to assume that your house will have some rules? Like how she dresses, does her hair and behaves? And if you did require certain rules, would your next door neighbor say, have the right to say tell you how to raise your daughter? And if you disagreed, would it be right for them to profile your household as one that "control's behavior?" Just asking cuz jw's consider their members are worshipers of god, having his..
fluse5555 6 months ago
the military is a cult?
fluse5555 6 months ago
Based on your definition of the properties of a cult, the military fits in quite well. For the most part, people respect the military for all the reasons you mentioned in your questions. Thousands enlist in the military knowing their behavior will be controlled, yet all go voluntarily, at least in the USA. Technically, Jehovah's witnesses fit perfectly into the cult profile. Yet most, subject themselves willingly like soldiers do. So here's my question Tim, based on your definition, do you think
fluse5555 6 months ago
the way a jw come to the door is fake and generic i would rather a regular person on the street come to me then a dressed up person at my door to me it would be more natural and they would seem more friendly not like jw who come at the door like sales people its not suppose to be like that the spirit should move us to preach to people .not wake up every saturday and preach its so fake
danae417 7 months ago
You obviously did some research before asking the questions. You used terminology such as "the faithful and discreet slave, worldly" All religions have ideas and practices we see as strange. All religions have bad apples. Focus on that. I see where you are going with these videos and it is not as clever or thought provoking as you think. These are the same questions everyone asks.
lee1977 7 months ago
@lee1977 I was raised a JW. OK so if all religions have strange practices and all have bad apples, then we really have no reason to leave any religion. We should just wait on God to fix them right? Why don't you just become a catholic then?
TimKilgore 7 months ago
ohhhh i got it, you are upset because a JW girl will not date you, i am so sorry to know that...you see i was told that is you have this hate for JW. so Sad....
sanchez1793 1 year ago
@sanchez1793 Oh cool so we get to make up stuff, I'm so sorry to hear that you're gay and love getting bukkake all over your face every night from three or four different men. Still did this whole series for my daughter, never asked out a JW girl, never cared to. Got married when I was 21 to my first girlfriend and am still married nearly 10 years later.
TimKilgore 9 months ago
wow bro you are sick, you should spend your time fighting crime and people killers, but you are wasting so much time to prove a point that will not change anything, or are you looking for someone to stop loving God, just because you have question, and why just JW, what you don't like it because they are the only once that take their personal time to visit you, well i know you just live a Sad life and you don't want nobody do disturb you...wow.....
sanchez1793 1 year ago
When the Great Tribulation starts and they turn on religions are you going to quickly try delete these apostate videos your posting as quickly as you can? well dont bother its too late Jehovah is well aware of your tarnishing his name. so sad.
iluvrnb1 1 year ago
@iluvrnb1 You should really read comments here before commenting, this little mini-series I made was specifically to gain proof to show that JWs weren't a cult. Though you find it necessary to call me names for this?
TimKilgore 1 year ago
Maldito seas, en todo el sentido de la palabra y pronto.
ba151087 1 year ago
If you get to 'tough questions' #144,000 will you go to heaven?
PuNkOfNiCe 1 year ago
@PuNkOfNiCe The answer to that is easy... yes :)
TimKilgore 1 year ago
Instead of making videos like this. why don't you do some real research! Just follow Jesus as a perfect example!
robstah40 1 year ago
@robstah40 You would be shocked with the amount of research I've done I'm willing to bet I've done far more than you have. Try me though ask some questions then I can turn it to you.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
I have to say behavior control is a part of Jehovah's Witnesses. But behavior control is a part of everything you do. If you show up to a AA meeting drunk will they let you stay? No. Are they a cult because they kicked you out? No. Same thing with the witnesses. They want people that come to the meeting to give their god respect and not give him and his followers a bad name. Same with AA they want nothing more than you to be there sober with respect for others. Good question tho. =)
WarOink 1 year ago
@WarOink You know that many people consider AA a cult right? The big thing though isn't one aspect of the BITE method it's the whole sch-bang. Essentially you question a group that has one of these qualities, you run from a group that has ALL of them.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
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detailairbrushing BROTHERS DON'T EVEN ENTERTAIN THIS TWISTED GARBAGE.
Matthew 7:6 6 Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw YOUR pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip YOU open."
Abviously anyone who puts so much effort into twisting truth, has bad motives. (repeat this message on all these videos
gizzygiz56 1 year ago
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you didnt answer my question about .if i knocked on your door with a black sabbath t-shirt and jeans would you respect me the same as if i had a suit on ? dont you slate peaple who dont answer questions !!! tim they are obvious thats why i dont really have to think about it .....
cunnis1234 1 year ago
behaviour control is exersized for sure .all for the good though .if i knocked on your door with a black sabbath t-shirt and jeans would you respect me the same as if i had a suit on ? i find your questions make you look a bit desparate to put people off j/ws .with simple questions with obvious answers for j/ws lol
cunnis1234 2 years ago
Have you heard of the logical fallacy "Turning a Negative into a Positive"? It's a cult tactic to turn negative aspects into a positive one, like this Behavior control. Wearing a suit is not the behavior control mentioned here. I find your comment a bit desparate as it doesn't address the actual question and is essentially a straw man. They're only obvious answers if you don't think about them.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
@TimKilgore Imno JW but. It is not a requrment to wear suits but it does look allot more proffesional and respectful if you were to wear shirt and tie. I grew up as one and im no longer one. But i can tell you first hand that these things that are said are not true. If your going to find ignorant questions like these atleast argue find truth. How is it a cult if it is a christain denomination? thats a question for you. LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF A CHRISTAIN AND HEAR FROM A JW, DONT BE IGNORANT!!
livebelow16 1 year ago
Are you kidding, the vast majority of cults are Christian denominations. What things said aren't true, I asked a large question of how does behavior control not apply to JWs, then qualifiers of the specific traits of behavior control and how they don't apply. Could you qualify which of the traits don't apply? For the record I don't believe JWs are a cult but figured I'd make this set of questions about the BITE model, it didn't turn out too hot though.
TimKilgore 1 year ago
thank you so much! I've had them visiting my house for the last two months,and i want it to stop. This will help.
alykat0209 2 years ago
do you fornicate or use drugs?
ITSJROD90 2 years ago
I've been married in June for 7 years, the only woman I've ever been with and I've never even touched a drug my entire life.
TimKilgore 2 years ago
Speaking of regulating one's physical reality, Shazoolo had an interesting theory about the JW discouragement of male members growing beards. He said that some have speculated that it may have started with Joseph Rutherford wanting to get away from the image of Charles Taze Russell who had a full beard.
tubian323 2 years ago
I have a jw friend that didnt behave 100% corectly in view of the watchtower teachings and today he is friendless, without some phew exceptions.
NovaMakeJustice 2 years ago
Did you read the (DSM)
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
it has wide and far reaching labels for behavior but when it started it only had four, so if you had autism they thought it was related to schizophrenia and it was catatonia. Fear and Stigma instead of clarity and discloser, such this is why I think it is so.
So where in the moody book are you quoting?
g66ber 2 years ago
Combatting Cult Mind Control, where am I quoting in it? I don't have the book, so the exact page I don't have, but you know you could read the chapter entitled "Behavior Control" under the BITE model. Or just look it up online. As for your quote, it has nothing to do with behavior control, that is called a red herring argument, since you like to give definitions of fallacies you should know that one.
TimKilgore 2 years ago
"Dig it"
'why do you think it so'
what it is that you are asking would be relevant, to someone with an opposing viewpoint?
Negative comments that based on merit not endorphins are a description and not an emotion.
What I asked please is a statement not a question or a diagnosis.
g66ber 2 years ago
What I'm asking should be relevant to anyone earnestly seeking truth in a religion, or trying to defend their religion from the term "cult". Negative comments can be both based in emotion and accuracy. If you have bad service at a restauraunt because of cold food, long wait time, and over pricing just because you're emotionally involved does not mean your arguments are invalidated.
TimKilgore 2 years ago
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g66ber 2 years ago
I never said I do think it's so.
TimKilgore 2 years ago
the bible also says not to shut up the heavens so as to not allow people in Matthew 23:13
I found it online
what are you infering to that people don't question enough?
g66ber 2 years ago
But then according to JW lore the bible also only says there is a limited number of people going to heaven. Seems much like a dichotomy in my book. What do I infer people aren't questioning enough, I feel that if people aren't questioning motivations and reasons for any action they are not questioning enough. Please tell me you are not going to be one of those people who removes their comments.
TimKilgore 2 years ago
you should dress yourself with modesty, so the tie is not actual a necessarity. also, people dosnt care what they wear aslong as its not dirty or aslong as their style of clothing is not rebllian. if they should care of thir look, jw should also care, not to offend people by refusing blood and not celebrating christmas, because that is whats making them disliked. how ever, poor people get offended by theire allways super nice clothing style. they dont impress anyone.
evjebakken 2 years ago
As I said in an earlier post, Paul stated that women should not wear braids or gold necklaces. Why apply modesty to things not in the bible, but allow things that are expressly mentioned not to do in the bible? Seems like you're just following what you want to in the bible.
TimKilgore 2 years ago
if you ask me as a private person, i do have my own style of clothing, but its not against the bilical advices. as for example, there is a fresh study in the congregation that suffer from kleptomania, or he/she could just be dangerously poor, and they get tempted by the shimmerig gold around them. it could shurley make that person fall. But anyway, if a jw, want to be representative, it dosnt automaticly mean he/she need necklesses or a tie, or new shiny shoes every half year. just to be clean.
evjebakken 2 years ago
This doesn't really answer the question I asked you. You're following a scripture that says be modest in appearance and attributing things that are not in the bible to modest, but you're ignoring a scripture which directly tells you what not to wear, why?
TimKilgore 2 years ago
and what do i use that i am forbidden to use?
evjebakken 2 years ago
If you're female and have braided your hair or wear gold necklaces or rings.
TimKilgore 2 years ago
hehehe. i am a male suit using, tie hater. either way i look best with regular medium long hair, no heirdo, and i dont use a gold neckless. it happens i use a silver neckless, but that is rarely. so i guess im free from charges.
evjebakken 2 years ago
Ah, well according to the law that Jesus upheld and did not come to destroy but to fufill you should never be trimming your beard. Regardless you can see my point, women are allowed to wear braids and gold necklaces when it's expressly forbidden yet the idea of modest in appearance which is up for interpretation outside of the bible is upheld. If we can just ignore scriptures we don't agree with, what other ones can I ignore?
TimKilgore 2 years ago
This may have been answered already but...
The hair and dress question can be answered with most versus referring to "Modesty" pink spiked hair plus a dog collar isn't really modest. And Romans 14:13-23, *short version* don't make your brothers (or sisters) stumble.
I know that the type of facial hair allowed for men (but not women) varies in some areas. It all depends on what is socially acceptable in the area. ... give or take.
Zed2six 2 years ago
Leviticus 19: 27
YOU must not cut YOUR sidelocks short around, and you must not destroy the extremity of your beard. Deuteronomy 22: 11-12
You must not wear mixed stuff of wool and linen together. 12 You should make tassels for yourself on the four extremities of your clothing with which you cover yourself...
BrotherDempster 2 years ago
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BrotherFisek 2 years ago
Isn't the question though, why DOESN'T this aspect of cult properties, not explain why they do. I believe it's also in Romans that women should not braid their hair, nor wear gold chains, so I'm curious why hold to this scripture about being modest in appearance and apply it to things not in the bible, but ignore a scripture that directly tells one not to wear?
TimKilgore 2 years ago
Once again a very good point
archvizerdm 2 years ago
Yeah this little mini-series somewhat backfired. I actually created this four part cult properties series to show that maybe JWs shouldn't be called cult so readily. Then all the JWs commented affirming these qualities.
TimKilgore 2 years ago
if u want questions answered. Ask a local JW.. if your doing it for argumentative purposes.. noones interested.
heatrdabest 2 years ago
Oh you mean like I mentioned I did in my introduction video? Hmmm....thousands of views, thousands of comments...sure no one's interested.
TimKilgore 2 years ago
If u make a thousand videos and 1 person views and comments on each one you would obviously have 1,000 views+comments....All im saying is your just blabbing on your Web Cam instead of actually doing something about it. Like getting legitimate answers/ facts from someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
heatrdabest 2 years ago
First off, blabbing is quite a negative connotation. Secondly, did you even watch the intro video where I mention where I went, and where I got my facts from. Is the Watchtower not legitimate enough?
TimKilgore 2 years ago
Well to answer your question. No going to church with a wifebeater (tang top) or for a girl going in a super mini skirt and or a blouse that shows your belly (Just for example) wouldnt be correct. It is the house of god. Why would you want to disrespect him? Moving on to hairstyles/ facial hair..
heatrdabest 2 years ago
the Bible states that we should be well groomed. Doesnt mean we cant have a mustache for example.. but how can u be "neat/well groomed" if ur hair is crazy and u have so much facial hair you look like a bear. Btw, the Watchtower is definitely very legitimate. As it is used as a reference to the Bible.
heatrdabest 2 years ago
What's the difference between a mustache and a beard? Can you say there's no such thing as a well-groomed beard? If you show me in the bible where it says people should be well-groomed I'll show you where they can't cut the hair around their temples. About the WT being a reference to the bible, so what, there are thousands of religions that write similar things are they not legitimate too?
TimKilgore 2 years ago
When did i say that they werent legitimate? Theyre useful and help us understand the bible to a more profound manner.
heatrdabest 2 years ago
I notice you didn't answer the first part about no beard being considered well-groomed. So with this response it seems you're saying that every religious magazine or writing about the bible are legitimate and help you learn the bible just as much as the Watchtower does.
TimKilgore 2 years ago
i notice you put words in peoples mouths. I would like to answer your question. But how can i do so with no research? I will try and answer your question in the best way possible. I dont go around saying i know everything. the problem here is obviously that you love to assume.
heatrdabest 2 years ago
Assuming, like your previous comments. Please though, the floor is yours. Is there no beard that can be considered well-groomed? Are other publications regarding the bible just as legitimate as the Watchtower?
TimKilgore 2 years ago
Well ill answer ur question in short here. Thankfully God gave us free will and with that free will i have done my research and being a JW for 18 Years of my life have found that everything that the Bible states is coming true day after day. I use the Watchtower as a reference to the Bible because it follows the Bible to the Tee and everything that it says comes true.. why? Because its directly from the Bible. So i wont stand here and answer that question..Because im just 1 person and im not
heatrdabest 2 years ago
gonna tell u what to read for your information.. and i wont try to convert u... ever! Ill simply show you what the Bible says and explain it profoundly and its up to you to believe it or not using the greatest gift besides life itself.. free will. PS/ the Beard explanation is long .. may i have ur E-mail or somewhere where i can simply put it all in one message?
heatrdabest 2 years ago
PM me, that can be as long as you'd like with as many references as you'd like.
TimKilgore 2 years ago
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TheSacredSecret 2 years ago
So you're saying the bible instructs you to act like a destructive cult?
TimKilgore 2 years ago
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TheSacredSecret 2 years ago
LOL, very sad, very very sad comment.
TimKilgore 2 years ago
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TheSacredSecret 2 years ago
The bible has alot of stuff in it, like women shouldn't talk in church, etc that are obviously not taken to the nth degree. If it's in the bible IT'S IN THE BIBLE. So you should make sure women do not talk while at church. There are many religions that follow the bible that do not control in such a way, the question would be why does a specific religion use the bible TO control when others don't?
TimKilgore 2 years ago
that's an interesting point you bring up. if the witnesses are a destructive mind controlling cult why do they allow women to talk in the kingdom hall? it seems to me that they wouldn't if they were the control freaks you say they are. and if men are told they can't have a beard and be a member of the congregation why are women allowed to shave their legs and armpits? that's clearly a worldy thing. maybe it's because we don't like our women looking like apes?
TheSacredSecret 2 years ago
I ask that in one of my questions why they allow women to talk in the Kingdom Hall? I mean if they are only following the bible, it's strange they decided not to in this case. What scriptures are OK to ignore and which must be adhered to, if any can be ignored. Can you ignore other scriptures or interpret them differently so you don't match the qualification of a destructive cult?
TimKilgore 2 years ago
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TheSacredSecret 2 years ago
What would happen if the apostles were low class workers, or despised people in hated positions? Oh yeah Jesus would still take them. So you're saying the bible instructs you to act like a destructive cult?
TimKilgore 2 years ago
It sounds like you're going by how this one particular person defines "cult." From what I've heard from former JWs, they tell me WTS is definitely a mind controlling cult. But I didn't need them to tell me that. I can recognize a Satan driven cult when I see one. ;)
1Hope4All 3 years ago
Thats not true. Most former Jehova's witnesses are because either they wanted it to be or they comited actions of inmorality or any sort of sexualy,illegal actions. Stuff that is designated within the bible itself. We are not mind controllers. We do not force you to believe in our faith and we do not judge an individual if they dont. They have the right to believe in whatever they want and that is something we dont mess with.I think you are confusing us with catholics XD XD
crow992 3 years ago
"We do not force you to believe in our faith and we do not judge an individual if they dont."
Right. You just shun them and call them stereotypical names like "apostate".
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
An apostate is a person who uses our information to make us look bad. Telling lies about us. Corrupting others as well as others among us. It is the same as calling a person thief or murderer . An apostate is a person who does not accept the wrongs of his actions and goes againts everything we stand for. If one among us commits acts of murder, thief, or a sexual inmorality,ALL OF THE ACTIONS THAT ARE CONDEMED IN THE BIBLE. Do you actually expect us to maintain such a person in our organization?
crow992 3 years ago
"An apostate is a person who uses our information to make us look bad. "
Now, please explain to the readers why you didn't mention God or Christ in your definition of "apostate".
"Do you actually expect us to maintain such a person in our organization? "
No. Yet, there's nothing mentioned in your speech about the shunning of former members. What law have they broken for choosing to follow Jesus instead of the so-called, self appointed "Faithful and Dsiscreet Slave CLASS"?
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
You are right. I should have mentioned the names of God and Christ. That was my bad.
crow992 3 years ago
crow992
"That was my bad. "
My bad is a wordly phrase, looks like it's time for you to be disfellowshipped.
porcupine07 2 years ago
I don't think they're that harsh LOL. Though some of the guys who swear on here claiming to be active JWs should definitely be counselled.
TimKilgore 2 years ago
Who gives you or anybody the right to judgementally label someone an "apostate" that simply does not want to accept certain tenets of your leaders and then spread lies about them to other members, claiming they're lying about the flaws that truthfully do exist in your cult religion?
Why do you protect a pedophiles privacy with words like "slander" yet villify ones who do not want to associate in kingdom halls with these very same pedophiles that seek asylum within the confines of the WTS cult?
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
"An apostate is a person who does not accept the wrongs of his actions and goes againts everything we stand for. "
Such as going against the "legal department's" decision to protect the privacy of pedophiles within the congregations and limiting the knowledge of who they are to the elders and their secret meetings?
Are they apostates too?
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
Let me ask you a personal question, Crow. You do not have to answer. Do you personally accept the society's stand on protecting pedophiles so-called "rights" within the Kingdom Halls, when law enforcement agencies everywhere notify neighbors and schools of their release from prison? Do you believe that's fair to young mothers with children in the Kingdom Halls? If you don't, you're an apostate according to the WTS' definition.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
Im sorry but I have to answer this and the answer is no. If we would discover such a person within our walls we would inmediately disfellowship him (if he is a member) and report him to the authorities. I do not recall such stand within our society and we do not get in the way of the law. We be delincuents if we did that.
crow992 3 years ago
Well, Crow, I suggest you ask the elders to let you review the notes of their textbook "Pay Attention To Yourselves and to All The Flock" and the letters they've been given on the subject so you can see for yourself what I and many others here are aware of - the "don't ask - don't tell" policy of dealing with "known" pedophiles that are showing a measure of repentance. The police and schools don't have this policy, yet the society you support does. Ask to see the letters and textbook. Be brave.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
I am not afraid to ask. thank u. I just got lots to do. but appearently you choose to lead your own steps. Theres a story for people like you. Have you ever heard the story of Nemrod? Whos real name is not even shown in the bible? Sorry my friend but your point of view differs from mine. AND ILL STICK UP FOR WHAT I ALREADY KNOW. thank you.
crow992 3 years ago
"...but appearently you choose to lead your own steps. Theres a story for people like you."
If you mean think for myself, yes. You're correct.
Please, share the story of ones like me that help unsuspecting ones like yourself out of a mind-controlling cult that are slowly being conditioned to no longer think for themselves. I'd like to hear the story.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
"I think you are confusing us with catholics XD XD "
Actually, the Catholics aren't programmed to shun their own family members that simply don't want to be Catholic anymore.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
You lie. Family members that just dont want to be in our faith are not "shun" or "judge" aggaints . They are family and they deserve the understanding of their decisions but they must also understand the meanings of our ways. I have family members that are non believers and I love them with all my heart and they love me as well. And if they shown up in one of our meetings they be treated as if they were one of us. Our job if to foment love among us all, believers and non believers alike.
crow992 3 years ago
Really?! So you're telling me that I'm not being shunned by my former "family" and so-called "friends" for no longer wanting to be subjected to mind-control? You're saying that I'm not being called an "apostate" for choosing to follow Jesus Christ rather than the SELF-APPOINTED so-called "faithful and discreet slave CLASS"? Because the elders visit me once a year yet forbid my own family from speaking to me is considered not being shunned? I think you need to investigate your religion more.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
I need to investigate nothing. You chose your path and I'll choose mine. Good day to you sir.
crow992 3 years ago
Fortunately, I am no longer on the common "path" you choose. There are billions of people mindlessly following the broad path paved by the clever leaders of cults just like the WTS.
But, that's the tenets you choose to [i]accept[/i]. As far as actually [i]believing[/i] the tenets, well, time will tell if you actually do.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
If you saw a woman in ripped jeans, tattoos, nose ring, lots of eye-liner, combat boots, etc. would you assume "You know I BET she's a CHRISTIAN." or a guy in similar attire? Well,it's funny that what North America sees as 'responsible, upright, decent, etc.' is exactly how JW's dress when out in service. So our dress is really dictated by what 'the world' or society in mass(in America) associates with good standing.We just want 2 be positive w/the name. Society dictates it. Not JWs.
briararose 3 years ago
LOL, really? Are there teachers and business men with beards? Do people trust them? Are there teachers and business men with long hair? Are there politicians with beards and long hair? The way someone looks does not effect my view of their message, I can take a message on the merits of the message. Are you one of those people who say "You know everything that person makes sense, but man they're wearing cammo, they can't be right"?
TimKilgore 3 years ago
Well then I guess you're just one of those bright and shining examples Tim. :) Because, I've literally been around the globe, and whether it's fair or not, in every culture, people are assigned to stereo-types based on their appearance. So, unless you can change the world, maybe you should just leave it up to Christ. It'd free up a lot of your afternoons. lol. Thanks, for everything. God bless.
briararose 3 years ago
I don't feel I'm an exception at all, the foremost expert in Archeology has long hair and a beard, in RI Bob Healey regularly runs and gets a sizable portion of the vote and he has long hair and a beard. CEO of Virgin Records has a beard, Suge Knight looked like he would kill you in the street, yet brokered millions of dollars in record contracts. I can find hundreds of examples, in a world that teaches equality and tolerance everything can change.
TimKilgore 3 years ago
"I've literally been around the globe, and whether it's fair or not, in every culture, people are assigned to stereo-types based on their appearance."
I agree. Kinda like the stereotype the thought terminating cliche "apostate" used to form in my mind when I was a JW.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
nobody trusts a politian! not even a politian.
say you had a very respectful business and you had 1 important sot you had to fill.
2 people show up, one wearing a suit clean cut
and the next shows up bare foot, ratty hair tied behind his head not shaven, and a big potleaf on his shirt.which one would prefer to talk to first. the first becuase he took the time to make a good impretion. he also showed you respect for your place of business.
we show respect to our god in the same way.
slimchancemilo 3 years ago
Well if I were to go to the bible on the subject who would you listen to first, King David or John The Baptist? If you skipped either one of them you might miss something important. So is discriminating based on looks the biblical thing to do then?
TimKilgore 3 years ago
Everyone is supposed to appear like King David.
Imagine if Jesus came out of the wilderness after forty days and forty nights and then walked into a public talk of Jehovah's Witnesses one fine Sunday morning? Do you think they'd offer him some water and food or sit him in the back like a farm animal? At the very least, would he get strange, cold stares?
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
Actualy we wouldint. We would treat him like one of our own. If you cant dress up properly because of circumstances that for some reason you cannot control we would understand. In fact we will even help you with those problems. If you want a chair on the the front. ASK! we wont bite.
crow992 3 years ago
"If you want a chair on the the front. ASK! we wont bite. "
Why ask? Isn't it a public meeting? Or is it assigned seating?
What about a disfellowshipped person? Where do you seat them?
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
They can sit where ever they want. Its good enough of an effort for them to STILL assist to our meetings. Treating them differently will only make us seem like hipocrites . We must appreciate the effort they are making EVEN AFTER being disfellowshipped. Wich it would mean to us that he has known the wrong of his actions and admits them and tries to return to the organization. DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK WE LIKE DISFELLOWSHIPPING? NO WE DONT. Is hard even for us but we must maintain order among us.
crow992 3 years ago
Right. You treat him like one of your own until he rejects the WTS cyanide propaganda, and then you tell others not to even greet him. That's really true Christianity at its best. Teaching people not to talk to former members, calling them names like "apostate". That's really kind of you. I'm sure Jesus will be quite pleased with you following a bunch of mind controlled nitwits in Brooklyn instead of following him and his loving ways. It's the blind leading the blind. Get out while you still can
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
"Treating them differently will only make us seem like hipocrites "
Really! Would you consider shunning them for six months to a year after their return treating them differently?
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
It is a way of discipline. It all depends on how you see it. You do something bad, then you must be shown discipline. I know we are imperfect beings but doing incorrect actions while knowing the wrongs of it, its really something that cannot justify itself. Therefore we must take action and give that person an isolated time to admit the wrongs of its actions. What you say is wrong. Sometimes it takes less time . It all depends on that person.
crow992 3 years ago
"What you say is wrong."
What I say is wrong? So, you're admitting that you shun ones that have returned for even a short time? Who gave you authority as a group to do that? Do you recall Jesus stating that the prodigal son, upon his return to his father from his lascivious course, being shunned for even just one week? One day? One hour? Even one minute?
You're the one who is wrong, my friend. You and your whole religion are both out of order. It's called mind-control.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
Right. You'd shower him with attention by using a process cults the world over use called "love bombing" until he became a full recruit and then you'd counsel him to improve through "encouragement" and "repetion for emphasis" (mind control) until he finally got fed up and left. That's how you'd treat Jesus Christ today.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
After he'd leave, you'd disfellowship him for "apostasy", a thought terminating cliche which serves as a stereotype, grouping him with millions of others before him that you've done this to in your minds only. You'd "lovingly" shun him for thinking on his own, demonstrating the true mind controlling nature of the cult you're so proud of. You break up families and friendships. You're not going to read what I'm saying and not be affected by it. That's why they do not want you speaking to me.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
I like your analogy SCM. What you've given is called "Hobson's Choice". Research what "Hobson's Choice" is and you'll find out that it's a propaganda stunt that raises two, usually completely opposite contrasting choices, with no room for any other possibility. It's clever but not a sound argument.
Let me give you an example that might be more appropriate: If Jesus Christ were to come visit a Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses today, would he be encouraged to change his appearance?
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
Society dictates it? So a beard is unacceptable? The governor of New York is an unacceptable governor because he has a beard? If a beard is unacceptable in a country that spouts "land of the free", something's wrong. Therefore, any cult religion that follows that sort of thinking should be carefully scrutinized as well.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
"If you saw a woman in ripped jeans, tattoos, nose ring, lots of eye-liner, combat boots, etc. would you assume "You know I BET she's a CHRISTIAN." or a guy in similar attire?"
The question one must ask oneself Briara is would Jesus try to change that person's appearance? Better yet, would the Scribes and Pharisees try to change that person's appearance? Who really is the FDS? Are they following Christ or are they making themselves false Christs by misapplying one bible scripture? (Mt 24:45)
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
jesus also stressed the issue that his true followers will be no part of satan's world,( meaning we have to live in it but we dont have to be a follower of it) and doing such things that jesus never did or taught anyone to do that is considered being a part of satan's world. because you are doing things that the world is doing and majority of the world is not righteous they are unrighteous.
jehovahskingdom 3 years ago
What kind of example was Jesus teaching when he said not to be any part of the world but was dining with confirmed drunkards? Don't answer. You can't. And please do not use vulgarities anymore in private message.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
well about how we dress no there is no specific scripture that says we must dress a certain way, but it does tell us that we must imitate jesus and be like his true followers back then. once again imitating jesus means following him now would jesus be walking around in baggy pants and such things or would mary be walking around half naked with extremely long nails and crazy hairstyles, i dont think so and neither would jesus be, at least the bible never said that.
jehovahskingdom 3 years ago
Its pretty reasonable for me that they have a dress code , Mind you I never understood why having a beard was forbidden. Didn't Jesus have a beard?
Jizuschrist 3 years ago
well on this one i'm not to sure. well once again people want to modernize themselves, but still have christ like qualities. i mean hey if you're going to a party or out somewhere with a girl or guy you gonna shave your beard so you can have a more clean look right, so i guess it's the same with jw's they wanna look nice and clean cut asw well.
jehovahskingdom 3 years ago
Christ-like qualities are completely different than looking a certain way, or being made to look a certain way. Isn't the saying "don't judge a book by it's cover"? The question though is how does this quality not apply to JWs? This mini-series completely backfired from my original intent LOL.
TimKilgore 3 years ago
I wonder if this scripture is going to be mentioned at Armageddon when mankind will be judged for not wearing suits and "modest" clothes?
"(Ecclesiastes 10:7) . . .I have seen servants on horses but princes walking on the earth just like servants."
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
"Its pretty reasonable for me that they have a dress code..."
Yes, so do the Moonies, the Mormons, the Hare Khristnas, etc. Are they also all true Christians? They believe so.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
The Bible never said anything about how Jesus dressed, nor him imposing any sort of dress code on anyone. Look at the people Jesus preached to, they weren't all clean-cut folks, tax collectors, prostitutes, etc. It doesn't say anywhere where he told them to cut their hair or dress a certain way once they decided to follow him.
TimKilgore 3 years ago
and i never said there was anything in the bible stating we have adress code, but what i did state was that "we must imitate christ and try to have the same good qualities as he does" but i mean even if there is no dress code in the bible so what, does that mean that we can't modernize ourselves and look clean cut does that mean we are suppose to go to the hall looking crusty and stuff i mean come on get real (when u go to a party or out with a friend u dont go out looking crusty do you come on
jehovahskingdom 3 years ago
Paul, the former pharisee that we're supposed to believe was an apostle based on his testimony only seemed to be the most condemning of what people wore. I guess it was the influence of the Mosiac Law still motivating him. Thank goodness we're not under the Mosaic Law anymore, like we were back in the day when we were in "the truth".
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
Yes, but what if Jesus were to walk into the kingdom hall in a pair of denim 501 jeans?
Oh wait, you're the one with the potty mouth.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
if you so curious why you dont become one and see with your own eyes, learn by expirence!!
pjjijd 3 years ago
You haven't watched the very first video in this series yet have you?
TimKilgore 3 years ago
...and while you're at it, why not also become a Moonie, a Hare Khristna, a Scientologist, a Mason, a Mormon, or a member of any one of the many other psychologically destructive cults out there?
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
What DO you believe????
crow992 3 years ago
What DO I believe? I believe Jehovah's Witnesses use at least 8 criteria to control the minds and actions of their members, just like the Moonies, the Mormons, the 7th Day Adventists, Freemasons and any other propagandist organizations.
I also believe the JWs use secret publications like the Elders Textbook, "Pay Attention To Yourselves and to All the Flock", creating an "imagined community" within a community, a cult within a cult. Don't believe me? Ask the elders about the book. Get a copy.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
Prove it to me. Prove it to me NOW. What WRONG HAVE WE DONE TO SOCIETY?
crow992 3 years ago
First, you isolate the minds of naive people with a series of secret publications starting with the OD book, slowly misleading people from their loving families. Then, you pressure them through "encouragement" to be baptized, a point where now if they leave, they lose their "loving" so-called new "family" by a process called disfellowshipping. You pressure people (kids too) to accept tenets your leaders, the so-called "FDS mandate. If they don't accept the tenets, they are corporately shunned.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
Since you're going to assume responsibility for your leaders, I will continue. Next, you introduce another secret publication to ones you label "overseers" (enter Theme from TheTwilight Zone) called "Pay Attention To Yourselves and to All The Flock". You use covert brainwashing techniques designed to strip your members of their God given, independent right to think, forming a forum of "pluralistic ignorance" which allows NOTHING to be accepted that might look at your religion critically.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
You force children to bang on peoples' doors, teaching things they've been forced to believe, merely to be accepted - leaving those children psychologically defunct without any true identity of their own when they must face the real world later on in life. Their identities that they would have developed are replaced with a non-thinking, non-exploratory identity, programmed to just bang on doors and give "outlined" (scripted) talks. You oppress your women members like second class citizens worse.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
JW's go beyond scripture with these stipulations and really should reconsider whether their 'conservative values' have a place in the world since the sixties. Worldly should be defined by heart condition and ethical choices... not whether or not you conform to their prescribed norm. Modesty is obviously a christian principle... [and that's more than flashing legs or breasts around] but also christians should be all things to all ppl. Diversity should be encouraged... not quashed.
v1s10naryman 3 years ago
So The medical field, the Army,Firefighters all wear the a prescribed uniform, and are governed by highly restrictive & unbreakable rules, as are the boy-scouts, & every professional,college,H.S, and pee-wee league sports team, there all cults to right? again to those reading this who have questions go see for yourself, everyone is entitled to there opinion, dont take mine or his, make your own, even if its the next time they knock on your door.
nekdawgg 3 years ago
You're comparing sports teams to JWs. Sure. Since you keep addressing the people watching I will too, do you believe that excuse? Or do you think that's a jump Evel Knievel couldn't make? Please by all means do the research.
TimKilgore 3 years ago
"...there all cults to right?"
Yes. What they are not though are what are labeled as "psychologically destructive cults" like the Mormons, Moonies, Hare Khristnas, Masons, Scientologists and the JWs. These cults break up families and friendships and lure innocent people away from their homes with a "loaded language" and secret publications such as the OD book and the PATYATATF elder's manual, teaching them their "well meaning" family members are really being influenced by Satan the devil.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
"even if its the next time they knock on your door..."
If they do knock, ask them for a copy of the "Organized to Do Jehovah's Will" book and watch them talk you out of it. Why? Because it's a book that teaches them their families are being influenced by Satan and their new leader, a larger than life FDS CLASS, a singular entity comprised of unknown kindly men that are the only ones that truly love them now. The book is the Witnesses greatest kept secret from the public.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
Ok first of all, the Bible clearly says that he speaks to us through the Faithful and discreet Slave. Second, you obviously do think JWs are a cult. You keep saying that we follow men all the time and the Bible clearly says not to. Wow you are some character. How about you quite making dirty assumptions like that and prove it then.
Zantillian 3 years ago
And who is presumptuous to call themselves a fufillment of biblical prophesy? Where is the proof they are even the Faithful and Discreet Slave, where's the proof of them continuing the work through history. You have seen my videos on that subject. Just because someone says they are the fufillment of biblical prophesy doesn't mean they are, even the bible said there would be people saying Jesus returned and not to listen to them.
TimKilgore 3 years ago
The faithful and discreet slave is said to be giving their measure of food supplies at the proper time." I think Jehovah's Witnesses are getting plenty of this food. Do you need me to explain it to you? I will for the sake of you not complaining. This so called "food" is not literal, because if it was I'd be a lot fatter than I am now. This food is spiritual. Jehovah's Witnesses are getting plenty of this food. The society is releasing more books every year for us to learn more about God.
Zantillian 3 years ago
What other religious group is doing the same? None. Go ahead and say catholics or mormans or something, I don't care. Go ahead and give your so called reasoning that there are hundreds of religious groups continuing this work or whatever you are going to say. Let me guess "Oh mormans blah blah blah continue work blah blah blah. Catholics blah blah have meetings blah blah." Well they don't even teach the truth. None of them.
Zantillian 3 years ago
And if you're believing that it's a progressive truth it means you're not teaching truth either. You're using circular logic, simply because the society says what they have is truth (until they correct it) and that they are the faithful and discreet slave doesn't make it so. It just means they think they are, just like every other religion in the world.
TimKilgore 3 years ago
But even you know that none of them are correct either, as they teach trinity, multiple gods, and allow gay marriage and much more. JWs don't.
Zantillian 3 years ago
So what, if God will forgive JWs at judgement for not teaching the exact truth, why wouldn't he forgive them too?
TimKilgore 3 years ago
He will I'm sure. But of course JWs can help show them the truth. Even if they do or do not accept it does not mean they get a free pass in or that they die. God will decide in the end.
Zantillian 3 years ago
I thought knowing the truth was the way to salvation? Cramped and narrow is the road? If you don't have to accept truth and still can be saved, what's the point of being a JW? You can be saved either way. That sounds rather broad and spacious to me.
TimKilgore 3 years ago
Again, I will say this one last time: God decides in the end. I've said a bunch of times. Listen, I don't know what you will say next but I've made it very clear to you that God decides who has the gift of everlasting life. God is perfect in every way and as such has a perfect way of judging everyone regardless of knowing the truth. You really ignore what I say and like to always be contrary to nearly everything I tell you, and you don't need to explain why because I already know why you are.
Zantillian 3 years ago
I'm not ignoring what you say, it's just contradictory. If we can be saved without following the truth, then what's the point of doing it? If it has to be exact truth then why would JWs be saved when they could and have taught falsehoods. The point of the videos and my comments is to get you thinking, if I've done that then good.
TimKilgore 3 years ago
I have thought about things. But the most you've done for me is help me learn more about Jehovah and why I view things the way I do. If you follow Jehovah, he adds no pain with it. He gives you happiness if you follow him. I'm not going to stop preaching just because you think it does no good. Your mind reasoned things out wrong and I try and try to show you the correct way, because you asked me to, but you don't really want to know the answers to the questions.
Zantillian 3 years ago
Well I'm glad I could assist you in understanding why you feel the way you do. You're not trying to show me the correct way, but your way. Every religion thinks their way is right, why are you any different than any other religion?
TimKilgore 3 years ago
Because you asked for us to show it to you but yet you really ignore a lot of the facts i point out. And besides, find a religion that is right. I'm sure you can find fault in all of them. The faults you find in Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong.
Zantillian 3 years ago
Let's see... Is it true that an eleven year old girl is now being compared to an "unsuitable fish" because the JW she studied with told her she'd be shunned if she decided later she would no longer want to be a member and got scared off?
***w08 7/15 pg 21 par 19***
"As with the unsuitable fish, many who once studied the Bible with Jehovah's
people have stopped studying."
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
I do not recall but I wouldint certainly tell that little girl those things. We give studies of the bible to help you understand what it means. We are no supposed to go beyond that. If there were brothers who would be doing that, then they be corrected. It all depends on that person if he/she wants to continue our studies of the bible.
crow992 3 years ago
"I do not recall"... re-read the article I cited then.
Do you condone your leaders teaching young ones to shun "oral sex", "anal sex", and mutual masturbation" with children as young as two and three years old hearing these things in your meetings? Do you justify this as normal bible teachings? Doesn't that seem somewhat strange to you?
I'd like you to give me a direct answer to this please. This was in the the study article the worldwide "brotherhood" studied several weeks ago.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
Jehovah's Witnesses teach God's holy spirit caused Mary's pregnancy. Mormons teach it was God himself that caused it. Who's right? Does it matter? Both claim to have "present truth". Both have altered this tenet from variations in the past, calling it "new light" depending on the cult you choose.
What is the "present truth" today, and what future "truth" can we expect tomorrow?
This so-called "truth" the bozo leaders keep tweaking, shutting off your brain from thinking about important things.
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
Mormons and Moonies don't teach or allow these things either. As a matter of fact, both those groups also use secret publications to control the minds of their members, just like JWs do. Yet, with JWs you feel that it's acceptable. So, let's see, all three religions have "present truth" that is subject to change (JWs teachings have done a complete turn around to the teachings from the time they were supposedly "approved" by Christ).
propagandatechniques 3 years ago
Our publications are not private. What we show to the people its exactly the same things that we teach to one another. We do not control the minds of anyone. You believe on your own free will. I believe not because im told to but because Ive expirienced other religions and i have concluded by my self that this "religion" is the right one. On my own free will LOL
crow992 3 years ago