Nickel Vs Stainless Gas quality explosion test

[distantieri]

Have anyone tried with aluminum or copper boards?

[KyleCarrington]

Either way, keep up the good work. I have a friend who replicated your big unit (118?), and he's pretty happy with it. He has an indirect water cooling jacket of sorts, around it, used during long run times.

[delvis11]

@KyleCarrington thats cool Kyle. Is there a chance you can put my in contact with him. Maybe an email or something.

[KyleCarrington]

Have you considered doing the same comparison by way of seeing if the two different gases have different abilities to either a.) lift a given mass inside and explosion tube or b.) create different levels of vacuum ?

[delvis11]

@KyleCarrington This is really a bad representation and demonstration and I have considered deleting the video. I don't have these generators available anymore. They have been disassembled and used for other experiments.

[KyleCarrington]

Hey delvis since this experiment have you considered setting up tests to see the gase's (both) ability to life a given mass, or create a distinguishable difference in vacuum?

[delvis11]

@KyleCarrington This is really a bad representation and demonstration and I have considered deleting the video. I don't have these generators available anymore. They have been disassembled and used for other experiments.

[MrPhillerup]

not very scientific, no controls.

[AllgoodAutomation]

Your Awesome

[Atimar01]

several % of the gasoline goes direct into the exhoust since almost all of the engines have an overlap in the input and exhoust valves.

with HHO, all the energy produced goes into the moving of the piston at around 3-5 degrees PAST TDC

[Atimar01]

sharper bang should indicate a faster burn than the lower bang, think the stainless is better :)

@ the math wonders around here, you can calculate all you want but if you have no idea how the burning prosess of gasoline works, plz don't try to comment on any of these video's

its not for nothing that a gasoline powered car needs several degrees pre-ignition for the darn thing to actually work, also...

[HHOhybridBuilder]

Hi Steve, is your 20 LPM HHO generator capable of running a 9 HP single cylinder engine?

[delvis11]

that i dont know. I didn't try it on an engine. But i would tend to think it would. The production is really quite a site to see.

[superwhiz88]

hi steve.. does your nickel cell water get brown

[ke4uyp]

A car that gets 20 miles per gallon only requires 6.4 ounces of gasoline per minute traveling 60 mph. Yet this tiny 6.4 ounces of gasoline produces 6010 BTU per. minute. It takes 524 liters per. minute of Uncompressed Hydrogen to equal 6.4 ounces of gasoline. I can guarantee you it cost more money to make 524 liters of Uncompressed Hydrogen than it does to make 6.4 ounces of gasoline.

[ke4uyp]

1 liter of Uncompressed Hydrogen gas only has 11.48 BTU. A car that gets 20mpg requires 6010 BTU per. minute which equals 524 liters per. minute. It is extremely difficult to produce more than 2 or 3 liters per. minute of hydrogen. To produce 524 liters per. minute the generator would be as big as a full size car. This video explains how to calculate how much hydrogen per minute is required depending on the fuel economy or size of the engine

HYDROGEN - 524 LITERS PER MINUTE

[monkeyron]

If you used a Scrubber system after your reservoir to get the Moisture out, I would think the Power may increase.

Next your Ti Gen test may show more Interesting results. SO far Smack says only the Anode has MMO and a the Cathode is Ti Cross Hatched per Bob Boyce Protocol. Also use Sodium Sulfate as a Electrolyte.

M~R

[HHOhybridBuilder]

Is tap water with salt and sulfuric acid is equal to Sodium Sulfate?

[pvar06]

In the video I have seen that you have kept the gas pipe just open in the room and doing the burning test in a closed room. I request you to be more careful on this aspect.

Regards

Praveen

[pvar06]

Hi,

Thanks for such a nice test. I can see that the gas quality from Ni cell was much better then the SS cell.

Regards

Praveen

[rascalwind]

Probably pushing so much amperage that half of what your getting is steam from boiled water. It's also not a valid test because your not timing it, and your not measuring your gas content.

[delvis11]

That's 80 degree water

[jdcmusicman]

good test but I have done the same thing with the same cell...i have filled 2liter bottles and one would just go poof and the other boom....

[HHOinfo]

Hydrogen comes from the water, not the plates.

It is just marketing Hype from Smack.

[mikepowers420]

I see your a huge fan of Desert-Phillie, or are you just DF in another incarnation.

Steve, ban this idiot or IT will continuously mess with you and spam up your page.

Check out their site, see the truth about what I'm saying.

Peace to you Steve.

HHOinfo, FO&D..

[HHOinfo]

Did I write something that is incorrect ?

Ban the Truth, Good plan.

'Check out their site, see the truth about what I'm saying.'

Yes, do that, it is at..... HHOinformation info

Check it real close, if you find something there that is not true,

Please let me know so I can fix it.

Be sure to also provide documentation, Don't just say it is wrong.

[mikepowers420]

I have looked at your page. All I saw as a huge naysayer as far as hydroxy is concerned. You have a closed mind, and try to preach that the same rules that apply to pera-hydrogen made form fossil fuel apply to ortho-hydrogen made from splitting water. Just so you know, that is just refusing to see the truth.

As far as the plates not making any difference, use copper plates in your electrolyzer, then post a vid of it. For that matter, post a vid of your electrolyzer, show us what you know.

[HHOinfo]

You looked at the site, and you say I have a closed mind.

You guys should get your stories straight.

Smack claims pera-hydrogen comes from SS-plates and only his Ti plates makes ortho-hydrogen. I have heard claims that ortho is anywhere from twice as powerful, 4 times and as much and 6 times as powerful as pera-hydrogen. Guess you never bothered to look up to see what the real difference is.

Copper plates would make the same quality of gas as any other material for the first few minutes.

[mikepowers420]

Let me fill you in on something. Check it out for yourself. NASA uses chrome in their catalytic converters to knock ortho down to para. They do it because ortho is to energetic to store as a liquid.

Stainless steel has chrome as part of it's molecular structure. When SS is used in an electrolyzer, it leaches copper, iron and CHROME into the electrolyte.... The CHROME in the electrolyte kicks a large amount of the para that just got made into ortho, a less energetic type of atomic structure.

[mikepowers420]

I have a great deal of respect for Smack, but he is wrong in his thinking that ONLU Ti plates make large amounts of ortho. Nickle, or nickle/cobalt alloy also make mostly ortho, because there is no chrome in them to leach into the electrolyte. If you don't believe me, build two electrolyzers, one with SS, the other with Nickle, run them for 4 weeks, then look at the electrolyte, see if there is a color difference, then do a bubble pop test, and post your vids on the net., just like Steve did.

[afdhalatifftan92]

Did you get paid for copy and paste??

[2H1O1]

You just dont know how it works! Do you?

[Gforce1956]

Steve, How about a btu test 1) Put a very large pot over the burner 2) Measure the amount of cold water put in the pot 3) Measure the temperature of the water 4) Turn on the burner 5) Stir continuously 6) Measure the water temperature every minute 7) Try and keep the pot covered the best you can to reduce heat lost to the air. Convert the water volume measurement to weight. You will need to equalize the flow rates but if you use the same torch or burner it should be close.

[mikepowers420]

Steve, I knew there would be a difference between the two, and you have to admit, the nickle shows a better pop.

Now, I hate to say this, but your making some steam there. I can see it on the vid my friend.

Here is how to do a much better test, and cut your steam to dang near Zero. Run both hose's to a second bubbler and put a stone diffuser on the ends of both hoses. It will help to scrub the steam from the gas, eliminating all electrolyte at the same time.

Great Job. Keep It Up..

Mike.

[delvis11]

Mike If you look real close on the far left of the screen I have two new bubblers that are 3" x 17" tall they both have a simple diffuser on the bottom. there is a third bubbler there too. I think it's a 1.5 gallon filter canister.

When i runn MMW production tests i run through them. for this test i disconnected the bubblers.

[mikepowers420]

Rock on.

Steve, I've watched this vid several times now.

What I've been thinking is, why not a spectrum analyzer for the hydroxy?

If we take a glass tube, some foil, wrap the foil around the tube leaving a slit down the length, run the hydroxy through a needle, light it, insert it into the tube, let the light shine out the slit through a prism onto a flat black paper, photograph the spectrum, we can analyze whats being burned and the energy level of the hydrogen.

Just thinking.

Peace.

[delvis11]

would you mind making a video of that. It would be a nice experiment.

[HHOPWR]

Love the continued testing. I wish folks like us had access to some of the high tech stuff that the big boys have. It would sure be simpler. I think the torch idea would be more telling if both cells are operating at the same wattage. Might have to do them one at a time then do some production tricks to put them side by side. Then add the narration. I think it is going to be difficult to get them both drawing the same wattage when hooked to the same power supply.

Larry

[delvis11]

yah I wish I have some real equipment to measure with. A gas spectrometer like altern8energy was saying would be awesome. A torch test is in the making. I guess I need another Astron vs70 :)

[afdhalatifftan92]

Good test!! Love it!!

[altern8energy]

now if you can just run the gases from each into a gas spectrometer and see exactly what's in both. I wonder if the stainless cell has any byproducts in it's gas as opposed to the nickel cell. perhaps that chromium-hexavalent that is talked about.

[altern8energy]

yeah the gas from my nickel-molybdenum cell when used to fill some balloons and igniting them sounded like dynamite going off.

[2H1O1]

Try it with a torch to see a flame,how big is it ?

[delvis11]

i will definitely do a torch test. thx for the idea.

[EnergySupply2008]

Reason for little diff in MMW

Calc Volt loss.

Amps X wire resistance per 1,000 feet X 2 Wires.

1000 feet 14 gauge copper, 2.5756 ohms. 15 amp load. 15 X 2.5756 X 2 = 77.268 volts lost per 1000 feet or 0.077268 V per foot.

Longest dimension of plate, six inches. Loss = 0.038634 V with copper. Stainless steel half as conductive, right back to 0.077268 V loss, which is only .56 percent of 13.8 V. Nickel .31 percent of 13.8, but the short distance makes choice of conductor not important.

[EnergySupply2008]

Although Smack is only getting 3 MMW out of titanium so maybe it can make a difference with such a bad conductor. His SS cells put out 5.5 to 6 MMW. Titanium 420 Nano ohms per meter. Nickel 69.3 Nano ohms per meter. 6 times more resistance with titanium.

[delvis11]

man i wish i had a physics wiz like yourself around the shop. I could learn a lot.

I don't understand your point. Are you saying Ti is less resistant than Ni

How can a more resistant cell make a difference?

[EnergySupply2008]

Ti has 6 times more resistance that Ni. The more resistance the more juice has to be feed into a cell, so NI is a far better choice. Ti should act more like a resistor and heat the water instead of splitting it.

[delvis11]

thats what i thought you were saying but wanted to confirm.

[afdhalatifftan92]

Thanks for the info!!

I never noticed that before...

[davidrrrd]

or you could fill them from a water bath