as of rightnow the State Senator and other people of California are boycotting Govenor Jerry Brown and commincing him to kill the whole project because the cost is over $50 billion and soon will be $60 Billion before we reach September of 2012 there for you wont see this in reality at 0:01 to 0:22 but if HSR get Canceled then this Transbay building will just be a 3 story building without a Basement for a Railsystem at 0:23 to 1:02.
I only see HSR, Commuter Rail, and public transit buses?
Where are all the connections to: Regional Rail, Amtrak, BART, LRT, Streetcars, and Coach/Commuter buses. I am also curious to know where will the retail and leisure platforms all go?
@TheMantisTycoon because buses stink the inside with diesel fumes, and they should not have conbustion powered vehicle run indoor because of carbon monoxide wich will kill every one inside so the Electrified caltrain, Muni, Bart and the High speed Train works better indoor because they are all electrified and Zero emission. so no body will be exposed and pass out. another word you need ventalation for Diesel vehicles.
I hope that, if this ever gets built, the government doesn't "force" Californians to ride the trains by increasing taxes on fuel and airline tickets.
I'm still trying to figure out how this is better than improving the current highway system in California.
And from a practical standpoint: okay, so I can take a train from Sacramento to Los Angeles. But how will I be able to get from the train station to my aunt's doorstep in Buena Park? Will she have the burden of picking me up now?
@Amar7605 Los Angeles, San Fransisco, San Diego, and other cities throughout California already have public transportation and commuter rail systems that will be integrated into the HSR Network and take you just a few blocks at most from your final destination. The CHSRS also comes at 1/2 the cost of upgrading the highway and airports. As proven all over the world, HSR produces a profit and the CHSRS will be run privately, not by the government. So there will not be taxes for operations.
@gibb1991 Unfortunately, in my example my aunt does no live a mere few blocks from a station and the infrastructure around her community won't allow building of tracks and a station, in my opinion. So, for me I feel that HSR will not be ultimately convienent for me.
Where did you get the information that HSR is ultimately cheaper? I would like to see that.
@gibb1991 So now I will have the added expense of renting a car? Considering that highway driving is more fuel efficient than stop-and-go city driving, an influx of rental cars will not help to lower pollution.
@Amar7605 This actually may be different. There's a proposed 'Car Share' program by several companies. Outside the station there will be several electric cars provided by a company such as Enterprise. Simply swipe your card, unplug the car, drive it to the towns Car Share Center, and plug it back in. You're done. Driving with a liquid fuel vehicle on the highway will cost about twice as much total if you're coming from the Los Angeles or Palmdale area.
@gibb1991 It sounds like something that may cost less on the surface, but will probably be government subsidized. That means that us taxpayers will be forced to pay for it and increase our costs.
@Amar7605 Actually, no true high speed rail system is government subsidized in any nation and there are no plans to subsidize any part of the CHSRS. In fact, the CHSRS is set up to produce a profit and will be operated by a private company. Even America's Acela Express makes a substantial profit and covers its own operating costs and its share of ROW costs. TGV also recently paid off several of its rail lines, and all of Japan's rail systems have been entirely private since 1986.
hopefully high speed train will replace Amtrak Superliner because the superliner cost more to ride than airtravel, driving your own car, and greyhound bus
I just cannot believe that CaliforniaTARDS voted for light rail. Well then again, maybe I can. If you think the USPS and Amtrak are STINKING BLUE ELEPHANTS that lose money each year, you aint seen nothin yet. The cost for the line from San Fran to LA is supposed to cost....what, 40 billion? And it is not allowed to use any public money to build..HAHA! When it is running, the private company running it will get a GAURANTEED rider level per year (government subsidy), or at least that is the rumor.
Nevada is getting their high speed train call the Desert Xpress, their project is goind to start next year, and finish by 2014, and their train will go from victorvill California to Las Vegas traveling 150 MPH cruising allong the side of the interstate 15 highway. I don't see any reason why California can't work on it.
Never mind now. It's not going to happen since California is on the very edge of Bankruptcy. Because CAs congress didn't pass a proper budget, the state's credit rating will be lowered to Junk-Bond status...i.e. NO way of ever funding this project! The good news is they'll STILL find a way to pay for welfare, section-8 housing, food stamps, child care, college aid, pre-K to 12 schooling, breakfast-lunch programs, prison housing, etc. etc. etc. for the 16+ MILLION ILLEGAL aliens in our state.
The Velaro will be the best sold train by 2010. Spain, China, Russia and of course Germany will have bought the train. It is a very beautiful train and saves a lot of energy, compared to TGV and Shinkansen. It is also very fast and with some additional modifications, it could be the quietest train.
Sorry, but I'd feel safer on an E5 Shinkansen for sure. If we're talking California, then it's Japan we should be looking to. 45 years, who knows how many earthquakes, and not a single death directly caused by train or track failure.
That's because of the special track, not because of the trains. But do you think California would spend money for that? I prefer the AGV or the next generation of Siemens Velaro. Siemens is leading and very innovative. If you want a train that resists earthquake, they will build it.
For the money they're asking it better. The issue is that Siemens hasn't built such a train yet whereas plenty of well-developed models from Japan already exist(if not the E5 or the N700 Cali could certainly go for an older model like the E2 as China has done). For Siemens to specially design such a train just for California would be excessively costly. If California were to go for a purchase/technology-transfer agreement (buy first batch from Japan then build more locally) it would work well.
Btu Siemens trains are way faster than Shinkansen. They can already reach 400 km/h when used conventionally. No conventional train can reach that speed right now. :-P Many Velaro trains are modified and specialized for a particular country. I think the German engineers won't mind to spend some months to make them as safe as Japanese trains.
But how much would it be compared to taking an "off-the-shelf" E-series train? They don't mind when they're being paid to do so, but with the state as it is I wouldn't mind sacrificing some speed for cheaper trains that are just as safe. The Velaro trains are nice, though (I live in China and have seen it in action, but it only runs at 350km/h there; I also mentioned them having E2 Shinkansen trains because they have those too; their HSR fleet is a hodgepodge of trains from various countries).
I would mind sacrificing speed. just because someone wants to "safe" money. Acela Express doesn't care about speed, too. Now what do they have in the Northern Corridor? An ugly snail (just 220 km/h). If we do it, we should do it right. You can have both, high speed and security. The Japanese system is praised for no reason. The fastest trains will run in Europe or China. They are the future. Not these bulky Shinkansens with their ugly noses.
No, they're praised because no one has died of them. Ever. Put a Velaro through an earthquake simulator and see if IT comes out fine. And if you're complaining about ugly noses there's the 800 series. Or the E4. And the ugly nose is because you'd have tunnel boom otherwise and have the NIMBYs complaining even more. And China has chosen the Shinkansen too. More importantly, they have a technology transfer arrangement- now they make the trains after Japan showed them how. Will Siemens allow that?
I know what the nose is for. However the 800 is too slow. Of course Siemens will not show the United States decades of innovation. That would be economic suicide. Until 2019, Siemens will have a better train for California than Shinkansen.
Thought so. If you're going to tout the HSR as building jobs and reviving manufacturing, then you actually have to have at least some of the manufacturing happen in the good ol' United States. Japan seems secure enough to let even China do that- start off with some repainted E2s, then send the parts and let them assemble locally, and now they're all made from scratch in China with Japanese blueprints (though to the safety record hasn't changed- China can't afford to scare people off their HSR).
The US is going to have a company that build high speed trains anyway. I'm sure that Japan is not going to share with the US. All foreign companies in China are required to do Joint-venture, so they had no choice.
However, in a Chinese joint-venture it's perfectly possible to import whole vehicles without having to do all manufacturing in China. For example, all CRH5s (known as the Pendolino elsewhere) are made by Alstom themselves.These companies chose to allow China to do so to build good will (in fact, the Chinese CRH3 is also a Velaro and also now built in China; it wouldn't reflect well on them to be able to do this with China and not the US if they're going to try and sell to America).
@Aobasakura they are considering it, but it might be a mix between the shinkansen or TGV. or it could be a custom built U.S train like what was done with bart.
Even though i live in the midwestern US, i think this plan is exactly what the railroad passanger industry needs. My only question is this: What will the proposed high speed trains run on and how much would it cost in terms of cash and collateral damage i.e enviromental and fuel?
They would most likely run on electricity like the current bullet trains in Asia and Europe and if we get more ways of producing electricity in an enviromentally friendly way such as wind power than it will make it a clean way to travel. They will be making so much money with so many passengers the cost of electricity wouldnt matter.
Currently there has only been one non-electric high speed train that ever went into mass production, the British Intercity 125, diesel locomotives. Its successors, the Intercity 225, and so forth have all been powered by overhead cabling and pantographs. Pretty much the way France and Japan have gone about it as well, and everyone has followed thier lead. It would be good if the US embarked on this, perfect place to use it. Takes decades to develop even in small nations, might be centuries.
In terms of recent European developments, Britain's High Speed 1 line (100 Km) cost £5.8 Billion, or $8-9 Billion. That should include the station development/refurbishments, and the connections with standard lines feeding on and off the network. The trains cost a huge amount to develop, but could be achieved cheaper by going with pre-existing designs, most likely a small mod of France's TGV train (some of the cars of which are already being used in Canada so it should be more than compatible).
but if we put our mind and commitment to anythink with the right leadership(obama)we can change the landscape of our nation in 10-20 years...remember how our cities looked in the 80s and 70s... newsflash cities in the US are making a comeback bigtime and with that so will highspeed rail.....etc. so dont always look overseas for insperation. create your own and contribute to make this country better
ok everybody cool down ....now, it is a shame that america doesnt have more highspeed trains especially regionally like the midwest,florida, texas, and california...we have highspeed in northeast which is kinda nice... but the only reason we dont have more highspeed in the US is becouse the population is so scarce #1. also becouse air travel is common in the US(almost every city in the US has an airport)#2. plus lobbying by oil and car companies...
Are they gonna Import the Shinkansen??!! At the begining of the video I swear thats a Shinkansen 700 series with it's duck bill nose. If so this would be the first Western non-asian country export of the shinkansen.
The 1 Hour PBS TV Program "NOVA", highlighted that VERY plan to bring Bullet Trains from Japan to California:
"Tracking The Supertrains
While America's passenger-train service deteriorates, trains in Japan and Europe are speeding ahead at over 150 miles per hour. NOVA reports that the super-fast trains are finally coming to America.
not only in automotive technology but Train Use and technology only thing USA is advance is movies and weapons of war. don't count NASA as all it does is squander BILLIONS of dollars in the last 20 years
Caltrain will have its cars use the overhead wires, those California high speed trains look like Shinkansens! But it looks very high tech and efficient. I'm excited!
As much as Californians want High Speed Rail...I hope it happens soon. Not JUST for California, but for America as a whole. Look at other countries that have HSR:
Japan - The size of California.
South Korea - About the same size as Minnesota.
Spain - Slightly more than twice the size of Oregon.
France - slightly less than double the size of Colorado.
Taiwan - Slightly larger than the states of Maryland & Delaware combined.
@Modeltrainguy Just because it works in those countries, doesn't mean it'll work here. America's population is too spread out for intercity rail to be efficient. INTRAcity rail? Yes, that can work - look at SF, NYC, and Chicago and those systems are very efficient. But unlike America, Japan's population (for example) is largely concentrated in urban centers.
Besides, it's the suburban commuters that cause the air pollution, not people driving from LA to SF.
@MustRunFaster On the contrary, Germany and France have similar average population density ratings to the United States. Nations that have had some of the most successful and profitable high speed rail endevours. Look at Russia as well, high speed rail works there too.
now here is a question for everybody. now the future transbay terminal will hou ac transit,golden gate transit, greyhound, caltrain, and the future california high speed rail will it house amtrak that is the question that has been messing with me. if anybody can awnser please post a comment on this video.
I haven't heard anything about Amtrak coming. I don't think they'd build a third set of tracks (after Caltrain & HSR) and it seems that those would probably be busy enough without Amtrak. Maybe, though. Also, diesel trains can certainly run on electrified tracks, just not vice versa.
as of rightnow the State Senator and other people of California are boycotting Govenor Jerry Brown and commincing him to kill the whole project because the cost is over $50 billion and soon will be $60 Billion before we reach September of 2012 there for you wont see this in reality at 0:01 to 0:22 but if HSR get Canceled then this Transbay building will just be a 3 story building without a Basement for a Railsystem at 0:23 to 1:02.
sideslide23 6 months ago
I only see HSR, Commuter Rail, and public transit buses?
Where are all the connections to: Regional Rail, Amtrak, BART, LRT, Streetcars, and Coach/Commuter buses. I am also curious to know where will the retail and leisure platforms all go?
Scoinsoffaterocks 7 months ago
the Transbay terminal is Underconstruction.
sideslide23 10 months ago
Bring these to Virginia we need them too.
Hokiesfan100 1 year ago
Why are the loud, noisy buses on top instead of the nice, quiet trains?
TheMantisTycoon 1 year ago
@TheMantisTycoon because buses stink the inside with diesel fumes, and they should not have conbustion powered vehicle run indoor because of carbon monoxide wich will kill every one inside so the Electrified caltrain, Muni, Bart and the High speed Train works better indoor because they are all electrified and Zero emission. so no body will be exposed and pass out. another word you need ventalation for Diesel vehicles.
sideslide23 1 year ago
I don´t know which reputation we Germans have in large parts of the USA.
I ran across a wide range of opinions about my country in my life.
But I´ve never ran across the opinion, that Germans would be stupid.
We have a large high speed rail net and are expanding it further and further.
Even across the channel to Britain.
Look at our economic success. Look at our clean air and environment.
We are selling our Siemens bullet trains to several other countries in the world.
Follow our example, USA.
megatwingo 1 year ago
I hope that, if this ever gets built, the government doesn't "force" Californians to ride the trains by increasing taxes on fuel and airline tickets.
I'm still trying to figure out how this is better than improving the current highway system in California.
And from a practical standpoint: okay, so I can take a train from Sacramento to Los Angeles. But how will I be able to get from the train station to my aunt's doorstep in Buena Park? Will she have the burden of picking me up now?
Amar7605 1 year ago
@Amar7605 Los Angeles, San Fransisco, San Diego, and other cities throughout California already have public transportation and commuter rail systems that will be integrated into the HSR Network and take you just a few blocks at most from your final destination. The CHSRS also comes at 1/2 the cost of upgrading the highway and airports. As proven all over the world, HSR produces a profit and the CHSRS will be run privately, not by the government. So there will not be taxes for operations.
gibb1991 1 year ago
@gibb1991 Unfortunately, in my example my aunt does no live a mere few blocks from a station and the infrastructure around her community won't allow building of tracks and a station, in my opinion. So, for me I feel that HSR will not be ultimately convienent for me.
Where did you get the information that HSR is ultimately cheaper? I would like to see that.
Amar7605 1 year ago
@Amar7605 There are several sources, including a study from CADOT. You could also rent a car upon arrival.
gibb1991 1 year ago
@gibb1991 So now I will have the added expense of renting a car? Considering that highway driving is more fuel efficient than stop-and-go city driving, an influx of rental cars will not help to lower pollution.
Amar7605 1 year ago
@Amar7605 This actually may be different. There's a proposed 'Car Share' program by several companies. Outside the station there will be several electric cars provided by a company such as Enterprise. Simply swipe your card, unplug the car, drive it to the towns Car Share Center, and plug it back in. You're done. Driving with a liquid fuel vehicle on the highway will cost about twice as much total if you're coming from the Los Angeles or Palmdale area.
gibb1991 1 year ago
@gibb1991 It sounds like something that may cost less on the surface, but will probably be government subsidized. That means that us taxpayers will be forced to pay for it and increase our costs.
Amar7605 1 year ago
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gibb1991 1 year ago
@Amar7605 Actually, no true high speed rail system is government subsidized in any nation and there are no plans to subsidize any part of the CHSRS. In fact, the CHSRS is set up to produce a profit and will be operated by a private company. Even America's Acela Express makes a substantial profit and covers its own operating costs and its share of ROW costs. TGV also recently paid off several of its rail lines, and all of Japan's rail systems have been entirely private since 1986.
gibb1991 1 year ago
Ew! In the future cal-train is still around!
Sajun777 1 year ago
just make teleporter pads.. it will be much faster
dfb999999999 1 year ago
hopefully high speed train will replace Amtrak Superliner because the superliner cost more to ride than airtravel, driving your own car, and greyhound bus
sideslide23 1 year ago
looks amazing!
OneCameraOneGuy 2 years ago
they reciently closed down the old Trasnbay terminal and getting ready to demolish it, so they can build the new Transbay Terminal similar to this.
sideslide23 2 years ago
I just cannot believe that CaliforniaTARDS voted for light rail. Well then again, maybe I can. If you think the USPS and Amtrak are STINKING BLUE ELEPHANTS that lose money each year, you aint seen nothin yet. The cost for the line from San Fran to LA is supposed to cost....what, 40 billion? And it is not allowed to use any public money to build..HAHA! When it is running, the private company running it will get a GAURANTEED rider level per year (government subsidy), or at least that is the rumor.
tickyul 2 years ago
thats the Transbay Terminal but whare is the Bart?
sideslide23 2 years ago
@sideslide23 The BART goes into the bottom level of the Transbay Terminal.
MustRunFaster 1 year ago
@MustRunFaster Bart will connect with moving walkway to Embarcadero station...
jayct9a 1 year ago
Nevada is getting their high speed train call the Desert Xpress, their project is goind to start next year, and finish by 2014, and their train will go from victorvill California to Las Vegas traveling 150 MPH cruising allong the side of the interstate 15 highway. I don't see any reason why California can't work on it.
sideslide23 2 years ago
Never mind now. It's not going to happen since California is on the very edge of Bankruptcy. Because CAs congress didn't pass a proper budget, the state's credit rating will be lowered to Junk-Bond status...i.e. NO way of ever funding this project! The good news is they'll STILL find a way to pay for welfare, section-8 housing, food stamps, child care, college aid, pre-K to 12 schooling, breakfast-lunch programs, prison housing, etc. etc. etc. for the 16+ MILLION ILLEGAL aliens in our state.
WayOvertaxed 2 years ago 3
@WayOvertaxed your name should should be Ihavenobrain
MrEiriku 4 months ago
The Velaro will be the best sold train by 2010. Spain, China, Russia and of course Germany will have bought the train. It is a very beautiful train and saves a lot of energy, compared to TGV and Shinkansen. It is also very fast and with some additional modifications, it could be the quietest train.
TrickyEmu 2 years ago
Sorry, but I'd feel safer on an E5 Shinkansen for sure. If we're talking California, then it's Japan we should be looking to. 45 years, who knows how many earthquakes, and not a single death directly caused by train or track failure.
yangj08 2 years ago
That's because of the special track, not because of the trains. But do you think California would spend money for that? I prefer the AGV or the next generation of Siemens Velaro. Siemens is leading and very innovative. If you want a train that resists earthquake, they will build it.
TrickyEmu 2 years ago
For the money they're asking it better. The issue is that Siemens hasn't built such a train yet whereas plenty of well-developed models from Japan already exist(if not the E5 or the N700 Cali could certainly go for an older model like the E2 as China has done). For Siemens to specially design such a train just for California would be excessively costly. If California were to go for a purchase/technology-transfer agreement (buy first batch from Japan then build more locally) it would work well.
yangj08 2 years ago
Btu Siemens trains are way faster than Shinkansen. They can already reach 400 km/h when used conventionally. No conventional train can reach that speed right now. :-P Many Velaro trains are modified and specialized for a particular country. I think the German engineers won't mind to spend some months to make them as safe as Japanese trains.
TrickyEmu 2 years ago
But how much would it be compared to taking an "off-the-shelf" E-series train? They don't mind when they're being paid to do so, but with the state as it is I wouldn't mind sacrificing some speed for cheaper trains that are just as safe. The Velaro trains are nice, though (I live in China and have seen it in action, but it only runs at 350km/h there; I also mentioned them having E2 Shinkansen trains because they have those too; their HSR fleet is a hodgepodge of trains from various countries).
yangj08 2 years ago
I would mind sacrificing speed. just because someone wants to "safe" money. Acela Express doesn't care about speed, too. Now what do they have in the Northern Corridor? An ugly snail (just 220 km/h). If we do it, we should do it right. You can have both, high speed and security. The Japanese system is praised for no reason. The fastest trains will run in Europe or China. They are the future. Not these bulky Shinkansens with their ugly noses.
TrickyEmu 2 years ago
No, they're praised because no one has died of them. Ever. Put a Velaro through an earthquake simulator and see if IT comes out fine. And if you're complaining about ugly noses there's the 800 series. Or the E4. And the ugly nose is because you'd have tunnel boom otherwise and have the NIMBYs complaining even more. And China has chosen the Shinkansen too. More importantly, they have a technology transfer arrangement- now they make the trains after Japan showed them how. Will Siemens allow that?
yangj08 2 years ago
I know what the nose is for. However the 800 is too slow. Of course Siemens will not show the United States decades of innovation. That would be economic suicide. Until 2019, Siemens will have a better train for California than Shinkansen.
TrickyEmu 2 years ago
Thought so. If you're going to tout the HSR as building jobs and reviving manufacturing, then you actually have to have at least some of the manufacturing happen in the good ol' United States. Japan seems secure enough to let even China do that- start off with some repainted E2s, then send the parts and let them assemble locally, and now they're all made from scratch in China with Japanese blueprints (though to the safety record hasn't changed- China can't afford to scare people off their HSR).
yangj08 2 years ago
The US is going to have a company that build high speed trains anyway. I'm sure that Japan is not going to share with the US. All foreign companies in China are required to do Joint-venture, so they had no choice.
TrickyEmu 2 years ago
However, in a Chinese joint-venture it's perfectly possible to import whole vehicles without having to do all manufacturing in China. For example, all CRH5s (known as the Pendolino elsewhere) are made by Alstom themselves.These companies chose to allow China to do so to build good will (in fact, the Chinese CRH3 is also a Velaro and also now built in China; it wouldn't reflect well on them to be able to do this with China and not the US if they're going to try and sell to America).
yangj08 2 years ago
das ist soooooooo coooooooool und geil
mrfabyfly 2 years ago
Buy shinkansen from Japan, Please!!
Aobasakura 2 years ago 16
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TrickyEmu 2 years ago
@Aobasakura they are considering it, but it might be a mix between the shinkansen or TGV. or it could be a custom built U.S train like what was done with bart.
tehatemachine 5 months ago
Old saying: If you Build it (High Speed Rail) they will come (ride, watch...work for HSR).
Modeltrainguy 3 years ago 4
I can't wait for these trains to be running, forget flying!
britoca 3 years ago 4
Even though i live in the midwestern US, i think this plan is exactly what the railroad passanger industry needs. My only question is this: What will the proposed high speed trains run on and how much would it cost in terms of cash and collateral damage i.e enviromental and fuel?
DASCO2136 3 years ago
They would most likely run on electricity like the current bullet trains in Asia and Europe and if we get more ways of producing electricity in an enviromentally friendly way such as wind power than it will make it a clean way to travel. They will be making so much money with so many passengers the cost of electricity wouldnt matter.
musubi69 3 years ago 2
I see. Well reguardless of what power they're running on, im in favor of this plan not only in California but all over the United States as well.
DASCO2136 3 years ago
Currently there has only been one non-electric high speed train that ever went into mass production, the British Intercity 125, diesel locomotives. Its successors, the Intercity 225, and so forth have all been powered by overhead cabling and pantographs. Pretty much the way France and Japan have gone about it as well, and everyone has followed thier lead. It would be good if the US embarked on this, perfect place to use it. Takes decades to develop even in small nations, might be centuries.
s2k997 2 years ago
In terms of recent European developments, Britain's High Speed 1 line (100 Km) cost £5.8 Billion, or $8-9 Billion. That should include the station development/refurbishments, and the connections with standard lines feeding on and off the network. The trains cost a huge amount to develop, but could be achieved cheaper by going with pre-existing designs, most likely a small mod of France's TGV train (some of the cars of which are already being used in Canada so it should be more than compatible).
s2k997 2 years ago
but if we put our mind and commitment to anythink with the right leadership(obama)we can change the landscape of our nation in 10-20 years...remember how our cities looked in the 80s and 70s... newsflash cities in the US are making a comeback bigtime and with that so will highspeed rail.....etc. so dont always look overseas for insperation. create your own and contribute to make this country better
detroitmetro101 3 years ago
ok everybody cool down ....now, it is a shame that america doesnt have more highspeed trains especially regionally like the midwest,florida, texas, and california...we have highspeed in northeast which is kinda nice... but the only reason we dont have more highspeed in the US is becouse the population is so scarce #1. also becouse air travel is common in the US(almost every city in the US has an airport)#2. plus lobbying by oil and car companies...
detroitmetro101 3 years ago
i still don't think ac transit should have its own level
tyronewright64 3 years ago
I'm just amazed by the time and effort put into all the graphics.
Reviar 3 years ago
Are they gonna Import the Shinkansen??!! At the begining of the video I swear thats a Shinkansen 700 series with it's duck bill nose. If so this would be the first Western non-asian country export of the shinkansen.
SPS148669 3 years ago
SPS148669,
This will help the answer.
California HAD the chance 25 years ago...
The 1 Hour PBS TV Program "NOVA", highlighted that VERY plan to bring Bullet Trains from Japan to California:
"Tracking The Supertrains
While America's passenger-train service deteriorates, trains in Japan and Europe are speeding ahead at over 150 miles per hour. NOVA reports that the super-fast trains are finally coming to America.
Original broadcast date: 12/14/82
Topic: technology/engineering"
Modeltrainguy 3 years ago
Modeltrainguy, In the other videos the train looks like a french TGV so I hope they get both!!
SPS148669 3 years ago
Looking at the first 14 seconds of the video above, the 2 Duck-billed Blue/Yellow Trains seen are similar to the Japanese design MAX series.
The Double Decker are of European Design.
Agreed. Let's hope both arrive. However, we may have the AGV. Have not seen it? Copy/Paste: 'ALSTOM AGV'. Time - 3:57.
My theory: IF HSR came 25 Years ago, the AGV may have been ordered/tested and put into Revenue/Passenger Service by 2010 or, MAYBE sooner! ^_^
Sadly, 'HSR' got hosed in the 80's.
Modeltrainguy 3 years ago
Not exactly. Shinkansen derivatives are planned for London and South East England.
7boon 3 years ago
I voted YES on this.
But where would you put the new terminal in San Francisco. Theirs no more room in SF.
chrisfball12 3 years ago
The Transbay Terminal will be located at 1st and Mission.
bkinouye 3 years ago
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WEZZYBABII95 3 years ago
America is behind again
not only in automotive technology but Train Use and technology only thing USA is advance is movies and weapons of war. don't count NASA as all it does is squander BILLIONS of dollars in the last 20 years
emforty2 3 years ago
Caltrain will have its cars use the overhead wires, those California high speed trains look like Shinkansens! But it looks very high tech and efficient. I'm excited!
ChainChomp2 3 years ago 4
As much as Californians want High Speed Rail...I hope it happens soon. Not JUST for California, but for America as a whole. Look at other countries that have HSR:
Japan - The size of California.
South Korea - About the same size as Minnesota.
Spain - Slightly more than twice the size of Oregon.
France - slightly less than double the size of Colorado.
Taiwan - Slightly larger than the states of Maryland & Delaware combined.
Think about it...THOUSANDS of American jobs!
Modeltrainguy 3 years ago 22
@Modeltrainguy Just because it works in those countries, doesn't mean it'll work here. America's population is too spread out for intercity rail to be efficient. INTRAcity rail? Yes, that can work - look at SF, NYC, and Chicago and those systems are very efficient. But unlike America, Japan's population (for example) is largely concentrated in urban centers.
Besides, it's the suburban commuters that cause the air pollution, not people driving from LA to SF.
MustRunFaster 1 year ago
@MustRunFaster On the contrary, Germany and France have similar average population density ratings to the United States. Nations that have had some of the most successful and profitable high speed rail endevours. Look at Russia as well, high speed rail works there too.
gibb1991 1 year ago
There will be shuttle trains which will take people from the terminal to the MUNI/ BART station at the Embarcadero.
tylertyler82 3 years ago 3
now here is a question for everybody. now the future transbay terminal will hou ac transit,golden gate transit, greyhound, caltrain, and the future california high speed rail will it house amtrak that is the question that has been messing with me. if anybody can awnser please post a comment on this video.
tyronewright64 3 years ago
It is possible, AmTrak would have to come up the peninsula and buy existing right of ways used by CalTrain and HSR.
tylertyler82 3 years ago 3
i was wondering because the video never said anything about Amtrak
tyronewright64 3 years ago
now the amtrak train would have to be electrical to come down that track cause caltrain is going to be electrified very soon.
tyronewright64 3 years ago
I haven't heard anything about Amtrak coming. I don't think they'd build a third set of tracks (after Caltrain & HSR) and it seems that those would probably be busy enough without Amtrak. Maybe, though. Also, diesel trains can certainly run on electrified tracks, just not vice versa.
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DaaYay 3 years ago
i have enough confusion with BART and MUNI.. oh god, i'd be so lost in this terminal..
aliG313 4 years ago
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DaaYay 4 years ago 2
Check out the Cal High Speed Rail BLOG:
cahsr.blogspot. com/
DaaYay 4 years ago