@cowfordflorida1 It actually does. They were/are both global empires that were/are out of control in terms on controlling other nations politically, economically, and socially. All nations that expanded broadly, eventually declined or fell.
@Soulastic1 America conquered the world with it's culture and economy, Rome did it with it's military. They are two completely different forms of empire.
@MaximusImber It may not be sophisticated with a long history of tradition and so forth but its a culture. Also, every person who consider their culture superior will see less and less "culture" in other peoples the further it goes away from their own; it's why labels such as barbarians and pagans were placed on different people in a generalized fashion.
@cowfordflorida1 But it is nevertheless backed by America's military might. As someone told me once when I asked what backs the US dollar, he said nuclear warheads.
The greatness of Roman civilization fell down with christianity. When the multiple gods used to be worshiped there was the power, the true and the force ruled by the laws and the willing of men. The christianism brought the cowardice, the shame, the blame and hypocrisy, the moral standard of liberal and democratic society or today. We cannot return to that time, only regret the days when the strongers could use their power uncensored and freely. Morituri salute.
@thearabsword1 And no. Arabs never had the power to even come close to invading Roman lands. The only thing they could do was have their conquered people rebel before being crucified.
Wrong ! ! syria was a roman land ... and the Arabs conquerd it after beating the romans .. the arabs also invaded south italy .. they ruled sicicly and creat island and rudes and cobros
@thearabsword1 Syria was not always a Roman land. Like I said before it was after the Romans conquered and raped your people. And yet again, it was a tactical retreat, there was no Arabian offensive there. The Moors did invade Sicily (not South Italy) and were there for several years, but were kicked out by the combined forces of Norman and Italian armies. And as for recent history? The Italians are famous for their colonies where Moorish peoples once settled. You make good slaves.
romans are weak ... the arabs are the only people who destroyed the great enemy of rome (persia) and kicked you out from the Levant (Arab world now) .. and then the muslim turks (ottomans) destrouyed your stupid empire forever and they ruled all east europ and arabs ruled all south europ .. spain more than 800 years
@thearabsword1 Lol at your crazy assumptions. Don't refer to the Romans as "you." Persia was not the great enemy of Rome. Rome destroyed the Persian Sassanid dynasty. I don't think Asia Minor is the entirety of Eastern Europe. That's good for Spain, but then the Moors got kicked out and were brutally overthrown and reduced to a small crotch stained area we now refer to as Morocco. Not to mention the entire horn of Africa and Egypt were both occupied by Rome for centuries.
LooL >> romans occupied Egypt and africa for (centuries) ........ yes maybe you are right
BUT ARABS ruled it after kicking the romans out of Egypt and north africa and throw them to the sea
Since that era to the present era .. And now at Egypt . they Speak the Arabic language .. They are proud of it. Even now they become an Arab state a big arab state .. LOOOL ..
@thearabsword1 Not true about North Africa. Tunis was a Roman posession for a very long time until it was finally ceded as a territory; eventually Arabs moved in (The descendants of Centurion rapists anyway). That's great for the Arabic language, those are Arabic lands though. Your looped logic just proved me right; I also want you to notice how fucked up the countries in that area are now. How violent and miserable life is in a place with so much conflict. Clearly Arabic culture at its finest!
In fact I do not want to waste my time with you because I knew you ignorant and stubborn and will not believe what I say to you .. There is no need to waste my time and your time
@thearabsword1 you're right about somethings, but most of what you say is either exaggerated to the 64th degree or is historically inaccurate. And you really aren't an unbiased source for information.
@thearabsword1 SPQR lives in our hearts and minds forever! It will never die, long after your people are rotting beneath the sand. People loved the dream that was Rome. People will never love the nightmare that is Sharia Law. Eh your people are so frail you cannot even defeat tiny Israel. All your people do is whine to the UN, blah blah they took our land. You're too weak to take it back, Israel is strong enough to hold and defend it. The land is theirs by right of conquest.
@thearabsword1 however it will be worthless if they fall and they install new puppets under a democratic regime.. isnt it... you should be educating your ppl on history and political systems before the americans and british, and reestablish your unified empire insted of copying us. dont you find it wierd that arabs support disunity like spinless cowards and make nations when it was the british that divided and conquered you by means of nationalism?
Remember Condoleezza Rice's statement: "We are going to change the regimes of Mid-Eastern countries." That is what USA wants you to become. Get rid of the secularist systems, convert to radical islam, start wars so that the west may sell more weapons to you. As Noam Chomsky said, USA does not fear of radical islam, but independence.
Without advanced science, technology, strong economy and political systems you cannot beat anyone in today's world.
@1975dze you know why they are being owned.. cause the fucking arabs are abunch of racist, illiterate shitheads.. they had an empire and they let the british nationalists divide them the leader of mecca was a traitor to the ottoman caliphate and cause of him the empire fell.. muslims need to wake the fuck up go back to thier own countries and educate these dumb racist assholes.. cause funny thing is we let them practice here and we are in fact more humanitarian and sincere towards people
I agree with you. I'm from Istanbul which was the capital city of Ottoman Empire. These Arabs (the Palestines included) betrayed us and chose the Brits instead look what they are up to now. Islam does not tolerate any other view but itself. It has got a very dangerous hidden agenda. I know it very well from my own country how the radicals' mind work and how they have been trying to change the secular constitution sneakly for decades.
Not relevant to this discussion of course. Hope far worse things happen to the current residents..(I mean barbarians) of Constantinople. Fuck you and have a nice day!
The name "Istanbul" also derives from the Greek phrase "εις την Πόλιν" or "στην Πόλη" [(i)stimboli(n)], both meaning "in the city" or "to the city". It is thus based on the common Greek usage of referring to "Constantinople" simply as The City. We, the current "barbarians" of "Constantinople/Istanbul" wish you a nice day too ;)
@1975dze gotta be carefull what you attribute to islam though bro... although there is radicals there are good people too. the arabs did betray the ottoman caliphate those fucking camel humping assholes they destroyed them selves. and now they are getting owned by the west left right and center. we install puppets and run thier country... while they are as deluded as thier forefathers who betrayed the ottomans.. they should burn for thier betrayl
the world is chainging .. look at the Arab world now . it's boiling .. the puppets will be removed
this age is the worst age for the Arab history .. but going to change . and the Arab will return like what they was in the past .. and the caliphate wil return
@thearabsword1 Historically, only Hannibal can be given credit for inflicting a heavy blow on my ancestors. We bled, we healed, we rose to our feet, crushed him & the Carthagians once & for all. See any Carthagian descendants today? No. Your people did not even leave a scratch. When your people got rowdy we stomped on you. You nor any race "defeated" us, only my ancestors can be credited with destroying themselves & making it easy for any to simply "walk in" & seize power. This cant be argued
@Praetorian107 You're probably as much a descendant of Goths and Celts as you are of Romans. In the aftermath of the deterioration of the Western Empire people living in Europe mixed to the point that there are no "pure" Romans, Celts or any other group, we're all pretty much everything.
By the time of the Eastern Empire's fall some 1000 years later, the culture was thoroughly Greek. Even the Latin language was abandoned. The Romans were defeated by the Greeks, just not on the battlefield.
@thearabsword1 It takes a Roman to kill a Roman but all it takes is for a raiding team of gothic cavalry to say, "Hmmm, most of the legions are fighting eachother, maybe the tables are turning and we can capitalize off this for some payback. Let's warn the main armies to march on Rome." They gained control of Rome w/o even killing anyone, it was so boring for the goths they just started lighting towns and cities on fire for the fun of it.. Such was th downfall of Rome.
America should try to learn from the Romans because the political divide here is getting so wide coupled with corruption and propaganda...America could find herself in a worse off situation than she is in already. See the error my ancestors made was forgetting who they were, where they came from and what made them great. Once you lose that, it's over unless you get it back. America has forgotten who she really is and that's weakening her like a potent virus.
@Pentacle68 No one said anything about "remembering". In fact, America is NOT just a Roman copy...Are you seriously that fucking stupid? America took aspects of Greek, Roman & British civic structure to create what you know today as our gov't. You didn't know that.
@edgarhons First off, are you black or german? Perhaps a white kid who wants to act black. In any event, your statement is hysterically riddled with error. 1 traitorus German who was an ally of Rome lead an ambush against Varius' legion. Once. I wouldn't call that losing a war but you say it because you're jealous of the Romans. In fact your whole statement stems from you not be able to handle our legacy. Then you say USA 4 life? Are you on crack or just stupid? You need to be pimped slapped.
@Praetorian107 LOL jealous of the Romans?! I live in America, with running water and electricity you fool! You admit that America is not just a Roman copy yet you claim we'll fall because of the same reasons. How consistent of you. You know people are predicting today's the rapture and they're false, so what makes you such an accurate prophet? Your arguments are baseless as they rely on the false notion of some pure Americanism in the past, which is just a Republican talking point. You lose bud
@ancientpatrician Ladies and Gentlemen, please! Let's all agree on one thing here! You all have really little dicks....some of you ( like ConsvrgoTitanvRomani) even have vaginas. So why argue? If anything you should all have a common goal to destroy the rest of society!
Europe will regain its position as the world superpower, as it had been for centuries before ww2, this brief american interuption in our dominance is coming to an end, we have no enemies to threaten us, china has japan to its east, and india to its west, both strong military powers, china will not rise to superpower status, its geographical locations prevents it, no my friend, it is Europe that shall rise again
@Praetorian107 the reason rome fell was because it became too big, it conquered all it could and there was no room for improvement. politics are politics. it's just we have a black pres now and it drives the racists in congress INSANE!
@FlowerPax Your republic hold certain families above others, which to the ideals of Republic is anathema - the Bush Family, the Kennedys, the Roosevelts - they are turning into consular families, and from consuls come dictators and emperors - that is one way in which you repeat the mistakes of Rome. You focus too heavily on the military, you rate your culture above others and you dictate to the world at large as if they do not know what they are doing, and yet, we have already experienced this.
And that was not much more present in history, when segments of the population was enslaved, the vote was restricted to the propertied classes, the Antebellum when the rich southerners dominated their state legislatures and governments, the nation was conquering huge swaths of lands from Indians and Mexicans alike, and imposing its beliefs on Indians, Hawaiians, Phillipinos, Latin American countries?
@FlowerPax It doesn't differ greatly, because it is born of these things - ultimately, the USA is an empire and like all empires it will collapse in war, unless it learns from the past. I'm not saying america is a bad place, or its people bad people, but they are just repeating history (which will result in their downfall) when they could be making the world a better place by trying to understand and respect its many facets.
Let's take into account the fact that the U.S.A. and most of their allies have deployed their forces all around the world since the end of WW2, or are currently in deployment.
Let's take into account the fact that their allies' militaries have voiced many times their concerns about not being equipped and supplied with the means necessary to have a reasonable chance to accomplish the mission they're expected to.
@Briselance But this is an irrelevance - the relevant point is that the USA, like rome, like the british empire, like the spanish empire, like the french empire, like the russian empire, like the mongol empire, like the sassanid empire, like mughal empire, like every damn empire, thinks it can dictate it's beliefs to the world at large, just because it has the most power - a ridiculous notion, as we have seen throughout history, empire building makes enemies and always crumbles.
For example, some, let's say 3 or 4 years ago (although the situation might have changed since then), the basic French infantryman deployed in Afghanistan was supplied with only 5 or 6 mags of ammo for his (her) FAMAS rifle, and (s)he had to pay from his (her) own pocket for every additionnal mag.
If you got a picture of the ammo consumption during a firefight in Afghanistan, you'll realise with no troubles that 5 or 6 mags - with 25 or 30 rounds each - is clearly not enough.
@Briselance I disagree - it is through the arrogance of the west that we ignore the very great qualities of the east. We all have something to bring to the table, if only we could work together. Improving our military is a waste of money, time and resources - strength through cogniscence, not arms!
Whether you want it or not, strength is also - if not mainly - achieved by arms.
No country will ever be able to maintain itself free without a modern and well-developped military force.
Unless it's a very little country such as San Salvador, the Principality of Andorra, the Republic of San Marino, etc. but even they depend on the armed forces of other, bigger neighbor countries to protect them.
The example of the little countries I mentionned earlier tells us that abandonning one's military strength is just making one's country a liability, a parasite to the others more than an asset.
Not to mention the blatant naivety of such an idea : "Improving our military is a waste of money, time and resources". Those who support this should never, ever be listened.
Why ? Simple.
Just after WW1, we, in the west, gave voice and credits to such ideas. And we thought it would work to stop a dictator. We told him to stop invading other countries, send him many many letters ... which just served to supply him with toilet paper, as he didn't give a damn.
But we remained blindly or, rather, stupidly, on that "peace-mongering" position until that well-known dictator sent his armies against us.
While he developped modern tactics (air forces/ground forces cooperation, interarms transmissions -radios-, modern weapons, and so on), we remained with outdated and dusty concepts ... "thanks" to the pacifists, who made us neglect the modernization and improvement of our forces.
@Briselance If his weapons were so developed, and yours were not, how come you defeated him in less than a year, and conquered an entire country? And why shouldn't every person have equal strength - why must america have more than others? There is no argument save greed, and a lust for power. And do not try to distract from my point by giving me all that rubbish about needing to keep your weapons up to date, you already have enough armaments to blow up the world ten times! Enough perhaps?
You do realize there's only, like, about 200,000 of them in the whole world, and they get enough as it is. What would you do with the other people that live there now? Throw them out to Europe?
Well, the Germans never came anywhere close to sacking Washington DC. But, if a German warlord ever does end up crowning himself "King of America" a hundred or so years after Washington is sacked twice, just as Odoacer did, then we can revisit this topic. But until that happens, I wouldn't be so quick to bash America. I'm sure the ancient Greeks said the same thing in their day, i.e. these dirty, uncultured barbarians can't even compare to the glory that was Macedon.
@Praetorian107 Indeed, friend! Obama needs to raise a dozen legions and lay siege to the Senate and yeah no I really wouldn't compare the situation of Rome to the US like that just yet.
@shaihulud4815 Actually a good description in terms of its historic proliferation, but it ain't growing enough lately. Too many nah-sayers proliferating their opinions instead of working. America is an empty vessel which needs not be destroyed... it will rot if too many of its inhabitants become armchair democrats. PS: Life is a virus. Therefore America is life.
@chewpoi as a med student, i have to disagree. Actually, a virus is the opposite of life. It sits just at the border between organic and unorganic. Pretty tricky business, interesting too. Check it up sometime, I'm pretty sure it's a subject anyone with half a brain would enjoy.
@shaihulud4815 As a person with half a brain...(ha ha)... Hey, i won't argue virus definitions, and appreciate the correction you provided. (Sorry). I heard once that life itself was a virus, and accepted it without much thought. Anyway, I ask that you respond to the issue of "America is a virus." I find that insulting.
@chewpoi when i say that, i'm not talking about the average american taxpayer, i'm talking about the global agenda your political class has. I'm talking about the corporations and the banking systems which basically turn all those in their grasp into legal slaves. I don't have a problem with the american people, just their government and their foreign politics.
@Praetorian107 " America has forgotten who she really is.." so...just curious who is she really? The America before WW2, during the civil wars, before the settlers came?
@thearabsword1 Threw us into the sea did they? Im a descendant of the tribe of Valerius. Romans are weak, are we? We defeated 21 different styles of combat. We raped your women? You cut off their clitorus. Your women were wet for Romans as soon as we stuffed you sand monkeys back into your dunes. You never beat us, you can't beat us and you never will beat us. Septimius Severus crushed your people under his boot. The killers of innocent, unarmed women and children...the Mighty Arabs. Cowards!
@thearabsword1 No I mean when the Romans colonized the middle east, they'd rape the inhabitants, who were mostly arab. You are aware Arab lands were all once Roman right? The Sassanids got fucked up by the Romans too. In fact, if you think the Arabs were the reason the Romans moved out of that territory, you're dead wrong. It was the culmination of nomadic tribes in the west that caused the diversion of attention to Europe. In fact, i'm sure you can trace your lineage back to a Centurion!
@thearabsword1 You are dead wrong. What history book are you reading?? The roman empire fell from the weakening of the army by changing standards and allowing non romans to serve. It was Germanic tribes that eventually attacked Rome from within and without. Arabs went to war with the eastern byzantine empire. Hardly the army the old west had maintained since the republican era. The legions of caesar would have run through the muhammedans like shit through a fuckin goose!!!
I worry about the movie. I have no doubts script and actors will be fantastic what with the same people likely being involved. My worry is that without heavy financial backers like the BBC and HBO like it originally had which enabled them to make the huge sets and fantastically authentic feel to it that it'll lose something. Lets hope not. Also shame about the cost (recession, bah!), cos with the dire programs on the BBC and HBO now, a third season of Rome would be certainly worth a punt.
The music could not be more inacurate. It's "ear candy", easier to accept by uneducated ears. If we accept the series as a serious historical representation, they should have used this music: "Musica dell'Antica Roma - Pavor". Please search it here in youtube. A friend of mine shared it, youtube no longer allows to paste links directly.
@solnegrolunaroja No. It's the one thing YOU remember about a series. We can remember a song, but the historical accuracy of it really means nothing, especially when it never claims to be so.
@tyrannasaurasalan Your opinion has nothing to do with this. Is as controvertible as mine. If I said I'm sorry is because of things that concern to me and me alone. You are nobody to tell the absolute truth. But when you wrote "Very right. Good boy" you showed yourself as a bully. Enough.
Fuck!! i just finish watch the two series today and believe me i'm fucking depresed to,, what am i gonna do now,, if somebody knows familliar episode plz contact me
Fuck!! i just finish watch the two series today and believe me i'm fucking depresed to,, what am i gonna do now,, if somebody knows familliar episode plz contact me
It would be nice to watch a season with the makers of Rome according to Plutarch, can you imagine, with computer technology they can take us back to the creation of the city, with Numa succeedind Romulus, Marcellus capturing Syracuse, Lucullus in his Mithridatic campaign to the rebel General Sertorius in Spain to the reforms of Tiberius Gracchus, etc.
Pour Toi de Moi <3 :-)
Garpjohn 2 days ago
;D
Rysiek804 1 month ago
cool music
THuijsman 2 months ago
Thirteen for life! :)
Tettius 2 months ago
This brings back memories...
Oh, naked Polly Walker, how I miss you.
PrimaveraPictures 2 months ago
7 Brutti men survived Phillipii
CroPETROforever 2 months ago
7 people are Gauls
Ruzbasanify 3 months ago
@Ruzbasanify I'm a Pepper.
chewpoi 3 months ago
I cried when Lucius thought that his children did not want to see him when he was dying ='(
I wish there was a Season 3!
FishyTrogo 3 months ago 14
@FishyTrogo third season sounds pointless to me. I mean August rules whole empire for next fifty peaceful years and nothing interesting happens.
matszelm 1 week ago
@matszelm Yes nothing interesting happened, we can just ignore Tiberius, Caligula, Nero, and the rest of that fucked up family.
AtticusAmericanus 4 days ago
i love <3
AhiNaRaL2 4 months ago
as if America compares to Rome to begin with lol
cowfordflorida1 4 months ago 16
@cowfordflorida1 It actually does. They were/are both global empires that were/are out of control in terms on controlling other nations politically, economically, and socially. All nations that expanded broadly, eventually declined or fell.
Soulastic1 3 months ago
@Soulastic1 America conquered the world with it's culture and economy, Rome did it with it's military. They are two completely different forms of empire.
cowfordflorida1 3 months ago
@cowfordflorida1 What culture?
MaximusImber 3 months ago
@MaximusImber funny
cowfordflorida1 3 months ago
@MaximusImber It may not be sophisticated with a long history of tradition and so forth but its a culture. Also, every person who consider their culture superior will see less and less "culture" in other peoples the further it goes away from their own; it's why labels such as barbarians and pagans were placed on different people in a generalized fashion.
darkjediMIK 3 months ago
@cowfordflorida1 But it is nevertheless backed by America's military might. As someone told me once when I asked what backs the US dollar, he said nuclear warheads.
darkjediMIK 3 months ago
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RecoverRedeem 4 months ago in playlist Rome
So sad it's finished ! Go buy the dvd !
NECTARINE38 5 months ago
xiii! XIII!!!
jimmybloodyjimmy 5 months ago
sounds like Middle East music to me.
salvatoreleone29 6 months ago
Ave, true to Caesar.
PattyPattyBuchBuch 7 months ago
Roma Victor!!
M4CkTiC 7 months ago
The greatness of Roman civilization fell down with christianity. When the multiple gods used to be worshiped there was the power, the true and the force ruled by the laws and the willing of men. The christianism brought the cowardice, the shame, the blame and hypocrisy, the moral standard of liberal and democratic society or today. We cannot return to that time, only regret the days when the strongers could use their power uncensored and freely. Morituri salute.
chxavier2 7 months ago
Quote from Kucinich-"The reach of empire will destroy America."
98bigbutt 8 months ago
I wish HBO would run Rome again i loved the series they made it look like it cost alot of money .
Brasil1966 8 months ago
SPQR
alex4ucj 8 months ago
Respect from Romania, we hence our ethnic name to the great ancient Romans and even speak a neo-Latin language.
alex4ucj 8 months ago
Nothing compares.
Rome total war music is the only music that can challenge this.
ConsurgoTitanus 9 months ago
Reminds me the music from Age of Empires actually :)
AvihooI 9 months ago
They really need to bring this Show back, it fucking ruled.
SovetskyySoyuzah 9 months ago
400 years of roman history left untold :(
lillesuper 9 months ago
Ancient Rome, when the western world set it's roots!
BVargas78 9 months ago
Very well written Show , about one of the major turning points in europes history .
blutkehlchen666 9 months ago
best show ever
cowfordflorida1 10 months ago 50
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Praetorian107 10 months ago
Wait, there might be a movie. Lol.
IceEyedBlackWolf 10 months ago
There is 7 Memnio !
MoelkPatriot 11 months ago
Rome victor aeterna saecula
satnet2020 11 months ago
WHY DID THEY CANCEL THIS SHOW? Fucking amazing it was.
MICHELLEGIBBONSx 11 months ago
i want this on my ipod
peace345ToTheWorld 11 months ago
Does anybody know when the movie is out?
shardlow123 11 months ago
all this new spartacus shit on tv is nothing to this
cowfordflorida1 11 months ago
@cowfordflorida1 spartacus is just very violent porn
7thdarkforce 11 months ago
@cowfordflorida1 lol did you even see Spartacus before posting?
20kiv10 10 months ago
Romans are weak .... the arabs crahed them from syria and palastine ... and the turks destroyed them and they will not come back forever
thearabsword1 1 year ago
@thearabsword1 We paid for our crimes. Soon the arabs will pay for theres.
Marcello777 1 year ago
@Marcello777
witch crimes .... ????!?!?!?!?!!?
thearabsword1 1 year ago
@thearabsword1 being a racist pig you camel -humping raghead
fyrewoman77 1 year ago
@thearabsword1 And no. Arabs never had the power to even come close to invading Roman lands. The only thing they could do was have their conquered people rebel before being crucified.
tyrannasaurasalan 1 year ago
@tyrannasaurasalan
Wrong ! ! syria was a roman land ... and the Arabs conquerd it after beating the romans .. the arabs also invaded south italy .. they ruled sicicly and creat island and rudes and cobros
search if you don'tbelieve me
thearabsword1 11 months ago
@thearabsword1 Syria was not always a Roman land. Like I said before it was after the Romans conquered and raped your people. And yet again, it was a tactical retreat, there was no Arabian offensive there. The Moors did invade Sicily (not South Italy) and were there for several years, but were kicked out by the combined forces of Norman and Italian armies. And as for recent history? The Italians are famous for their colonies where Moorish peoples once settled. You make good slaves.
tyrannasaurasalan 11 months ago
@tyrannasaurasalan
romans are weak ... the arabs are the only people who destroyed the great enemy of rome (persia) and kicked you out from the Levant (Arab world now) .. and then the muslim turks (ottomans) destrouyed your stupid empire forever and they ruled all east europ and arabs ruled all south europ .. spain more than 800 years
thearabsword1 11 months ago
@thearabsword1 Lol at your crazy assumptions. Don't refer to the Romans as "you." Persia was not the great enemy of Rome. Rome destroyed the Persian Sassanid dynasty. I don't think Asia Minor is the entirety of Eastern Europe. That's good for Spain, but then the Moors got kicked out and were brutally overthrown and reduced to a small crotch stained area we now refer to as Morocco. Not to mention the entire horn of Africa and Egypt were both occupied by Rome for centuries.
tyrannasaurasalan 11 months ago
@tyrannasaurasalan
LooL >> romans occupied Egypt and africa for (centuries) ........ yes maybe you are right
BUT ARABS ruled it after kicking the romans out of Egypt and north africa and throw them to the sea
Since that era to the present era .. And now at Egypt . they Speak the Arabic language .. They are proud of it. Even now they become an Arab state a big arab state .. LOOOL ..
thearabsword1 11 months ago
@thearabsword1 Not true about North Africa. Tunis was a Roman posession for a very long time until it was finally ceded as a territory; eventually Arabs moved in (The descendants of Centurion rapists anyway). That's great for the Arabic language, those are Arabic lands though. Your looped logic just proved me right; I also want you to notice how fucked up the countries in that area are now. How violent and miserable life is in a place with so much conflict. Clearly Arabic culture at its finest!
tyrannasaurasalan 11 months ago
@tyrannasaurasalan
you are ignorant
thearabsword1 11 months ago
@thearabsword1 I am right. Therefore, your only choice is to call me ignorant.
tyrannasaurasalan 11 months ago
@tyrannasaurasalan
In fact I do not want to waste my time with you because I knew you ignorant and stubborn and will not believe what I say to you .. There is no need to waste my time and your time
thearabsword1 11 months ago
@thearabsword1 you're right about somethings, but most of what you say is either exaggerated to the 64th degree or is historically inaccurate. And you really aren't an unbiased source for information.
tyrannasaurasalan 11 months ago
@thearabsword1 SPQR lives in our hearts and minds forever! It will never die, long after your people are rotting beneath the sand. People loved the dream that was Rome. People will never love the nightmare that is Sharia Law. Eh your people are so frail you cannot even defeat tiny Israel. All your people do is whine to the UN, blah blah they took our land. You're too weak to take it back, Israel is strong enough to hold and defend it. The land is theirs by right of conquest.
Praetorian107 11 months ago
@Praetorian107
HAHAHA ..... yeah your right about israel ... but look to the Arab world it's boiling now .. 2 dirty agents of
america fall down in this year 2011 . Egypt.tunis
and by the will of god all the other Arab leaders going to fall
the ARAB world begin to wake up from his deeeeep sleep
and one day we will kick the isralian like what we did before to the Crusaders . and before them the Romans
thearabsword1 11 months ago
@thearabsword1 however it will be worthless if they fall and they install new puppets under a democratic regime.. isnt it... you should be educating your ppl on history and political systems before the americans and british, and reestablish your unified empire insted of copying us. dont you find it wierd that arabs support disunity like spinless cowards and make nations when it was the british that divided and conquered you by means of nationalism?
TheReasonableHuman 11 months ago
@thearabsword1
Remember Condoleezza Rice's statement: "We are going to change the regimes of Mid-Eastern countries." That is what USA wants you to become. Get rid of the secularist systems, convert to radical islam, start wars so that the west may sell more weapons to you. As Noam Chomsky said, USA does not fear of radical islam, but independence.
Without advanced science, technology, strong economy and political systems you cannot beat anyone in today's world.
1975dze 11 months ago
@1975dze you know why they are being owned.. cause the fucking arabs are abunch of racist, illiterate shitheads.. they had an empire and they let the british nationalists divide them the leader of mecca was a traitor to the ottoman caliphate and cause of him the empire fell.. muslims need to wake the fuck up go back to thier own countries and educate these dumb racist assholes.. cause funny thing is we let them practice here and we are in fact more humanitarian and sincere towards people
TheReasonableHuman 11 months ago
@TheReasonableHuman
I agree with you. I'm from Istanbul which was the capital city of Ottoman Empire. These Arabs (the Palestines included) betrayed us and chose the Brits instead look what they are up to now. Islam does not tolerate any other view but itself. It has got a very dangerous hidden agenda. I know it very well from my own country how the radicals' mind work and how they have been trying to change the secular constitution sneakly for decades.
1975dze 11 months ago
Not relevant to this discussion of course. Hope far worse things happen to the current residents..(I mean barbarians) of Constantinople. Fuck you and have a nice day!
joet52632001 10 months ago
@joet52632001
To your knowledge "civilized human being":
The name "Istanbul" also derives from the Greek phrase "εις την Πόλιν" or "στην Πόλη" [(i)stimboli(n)], both meaning "in the city" or "to the city". It is thus based on the common Greek usage of referring to "Constantinople" simply as The City. We, the current "barbarians" of "Constantinople/Istanbul" wish you a nice day too ;)
1975dze 10 months ago
@1975dze gotta be carefull what you attribute to islam though bro... although there is radicals there are good people too. the arabs did betray the ottoman caliphate those fucking camel humping assholes they destroyed them selves. and now they are getting owned by the west left right and center. we install puppets and run thier country... while they are as deluded as thier forefathers who betrayed the ottomans.. they should burn for thier betrayl
TheReasonableHuman 10 months ago
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@TheReasonableHuman
Yes, I agree with you!
1975dze 10 months ago
@TheReasonableHuman
the world is chainging .. look at the Arab world now . it's boiling .. the puppets will be removed
this age is the worst age for the Arab history .. but going to change . and the Arab will return like what they was in the past .. and the caliphate wil return
thearabsword1 10 months ago
@1975dze
not all of the Arabs betryed the ottoman .. we are always with the caliphate
but some ignorant people did that .. do you know why ? because the ottomans neglectede
the Arabs And madethem easy for the summit of the West
you must know that after the falling of the abbasid caliphate an age of darknes started in our region <<
thearabsword1 10 months ago
@thearabsword1 And yet the Romans massively raped your people and enslaved them for several centuries. :L
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Praetorian107 10 months ago
@thearabsword1 Historically, only Hannibal can be given credit for inflicting a heavy blow on my ancestors. We bled, we healed, we rose to our feet, crushed him & the Carthagians once & for all. See any Carthagian descendants today? No. Your people did not even leave a scratch. When your people got rowdy we stomped on you. You nor any race "defeated" us, only my ancestors can be credited with destroying themselves & making it easy for any to simply "walk in" & seize power. This cant be argued
Praetorian107 10 months ago
@Praetorian107 You're probably as much a descendant of Goths and Celts as you are of Romans. In the aftermath of the deterioration of the Western Empire people living in Europe mixed to the point that there are no "pure" Romans, Celts or any other group, we're all pretty much everything.
By the time of the Eastern Empire's fall some 1000 years later, the culture was thoroughly Greek. Even the Latin language was abandoned. The Romans were defeated by the Greeks, just not on the battlefield.
samfisher40000 10 months ago
@thearabsword1 It takes a Roman to kill a Roman but all it takes is for a raiding team of gothic cavalry to say, "Hmmm, most of the legions are fighting eachother, maybe the tables are turning and we can capitalize off this for some payback. Let's warn the main armies to march on Rome." They gained control of Rome w/o even killing anyone, it was so boring for the goths they just started lighting towns and cities on fire for the fun of it.. Such was th downfall of Rome.
Praetorian107 10 months ago
America should try to learn from the Romans because the political divide here is getting so wide coupled with corruption and propaganda...America could find herself in a worse off situation than she is in already. See the error my ancestors made was forgetting who they were, where they came from and what made them great. Once you lose that, it's over unless you get it back. America has forgotten who she really is and that's weakening her like a potent virus.
Praetorian107 10 months ago 41
@Praetorian107 I agree, I think we just need a revolution to bring us back to our roots.
Benochi 9 months ago
@Praetorian107
America has nothing to remember, it's just the modern Roman Empire
Pentacle68 8 months ago
@Pentacle68 No one said anything about "remembering". In fact, America is NOT just a Roman copy...Are you seriously that fucking stupid? America took aspects of Greek, Roman & British civic structure to create what you know today as our gov't. You didn't know that.
Praetorian107 8 months ago
@Praetorian107
you better watch your mouth pal before i kick your ass ok?
Pentacle68 8 months ago
@Praetorian107 The error your ancestors made was losing to the Germans in the wars that matter. USA 4 LIFE SONNNN
edgarhons 8 months ago
@edgarhons First off, are you black or german? Perhaps a white kid who wants to act black. In any event, your statement is hysterically riddled with error. 1 traitorus German who was an ally of Rome lead an ambush against Varius' legion. Once. I wouldn't call that losing a war but you say it because you're jealous of the Romans. In fact your whole statement stems from you not be able to handle our legacy. Then you say USA 4 life? Are you on crack or just stupid? You need to be pimped slapped.
Praetorian107 8 months ago
@Praetorian107 LOL jealous of the Romans?! I live in America, with running water and electricity you fool! You admit that America is not just a Roman copy yet you claim we'll fall because of the same reasons. How consistent of you. You know people are predicting today's the rapture and they're false, so what makes you such an accurate prophet? Your arguments are baseless as they rely on the false notion of some pure Americanism in the past, which is just a Republican talking point. You lose bud
edgarhons 8 months ago
@edgarhons you're not even close to Romans.
ancientpatrician 7 months ago
@ancientpatrician Ladies and Gentlemen, please! Let's all agree on one thing here! You all have really little dicks....some of you ( like ConsvrgoTitanvRomani) even have vaginas. So why argue? If anything you should all have a common goal to destroy the rest of society!
tyrannasaurasalan 7 months ago
@tyrannasaurasalan Die, heretic scum.
ancientpatrician 7 months ago
@ancientpatrician Chill, Little Dill
tyrannasaurasalan 7 months ago
@tyrannasaurasalan No. Never. We shall impale you.
ancientpatrician 7 months ago
@ancientpatrician With what you're packing? It will probably just be a....pin prick! Get it? HAHAHAHAHA!
tyrannasaurasalan 7 months ago
@Praetorian107
america is doomed to fail, europe and china are rising again, they shall be the new superpowers by the middle of this century
VigisKane 8 months ago
@VigisKane,Not the European nations but China yes.
98bigbutt 8 months ago
@98bigbutt
Europe will regain its position as the world superpower, as it had been for centuries before ww2, this brief american interuption in our dominance is coming to an end, we have no enemies to threaten us, china has japan to its east, and india to its west, both strong military powers, china will not rise to superpower status, its geographical locations prevents it, no my friend, it is Europe that shall rise again
VigisKane 8 months ago
@Praetorian107,I'm an American citizen from NYC,so I know what your talking about.
98bigbutt 8 months ago
@Praetorian107 the reason rome fell was because it became too big, it conquered all it could and there was no room for improvement. politics are politics. it's just we have a black pres now and it drives the racists in congress INSANE!
Rachulie 7 months ago
@Praetorian107
What is it that America has forgotten, and that is weakening her? Be specific, and not so fucking vague.
FlowerPax 7 months ago
@FlowerPax Your republic hold certain families above others, which to the ideals of Republic is anathema - the Bush Family, the Kennedys, the Roosevelts - they are turning into consular families, and from consuls come dictators and emperors - that is one way in which you repeat the mistakes of Rome. You focus too heavily on the military, you rate your culture above others and you dictate to the world at large as if they do not know what they are doing, and yet, we have already experienced this.
Exotichyena 6 months ago 2
@Exotichyena
And that was not much more present in history, when segments of the population was enslaved, the vote was restricted to the propertied classes, the Antebellum when the rich southerners dominated their state legislatures and governments, the nation was conquering huge swaths of lands from Indians and Mexicans alike, and imposing its beliefs on Indians, Hawaiians, Phillipinos, Latin American countries?
FlowerPax 6 months ago
@FlowerPax It doesn't differ greatly, because it is born of these things - ultimately, the USA is an empire and like all empires it will collapse in war, unless it learns from the past. I'm not saying america is a bad place, or its people bad people, but they are just repeating history (which will result in their downfall) when they could be making the world a better place by trying to understand and respect its many facets.
Exotichyena 6 months ago
@Exotichyena
"You focus too heavily on the military"
Let's take into account the fact that the U.S.A. and most of their allies have deployed their forces all around the world since the end of WW2, or are currently in deployment.
Let's take into account the fact that their allies' militaries have voiced many times their concerns about not being equipped and supplied with the means necessary to have a reasonable chance to accomplish the mission they're expected to.
Briselance 6 months ago
@Briselance But this is an irrelevance - the relevant point is that the USA, like rome, like the british empire, like the spanish empire, like the french empire, like the russian empire, like the mongol empire, like the sassanid empire, like mughal empire, like every damn empire, thinks it can dictate it's beliefs to the world at large, just because it has the most power - a ridiculous notion, as we have seen throughout history, empire building makes enemies and always crumbles.
Exotichyena 6 months ago
@Exotichyena
For example, some, let's say 3 or 4 years ago (although the situation might have changed since then), the basic French infantryman deployed in Afghanistan was supplied with only 5 or 6 mags of ammo for his (her) FAMAS rifle, and (s)he had to pay from his (her) own pocket for every additionnal mag.
If you got a picture of the ammo consumption during a firefight in Afghanistan, you'll realise with no troubles that 5 or 6 mags - with 25 or 30 rounds each - is clearly not enough.
Briselance 6 months ago
@Exotichyena
The cuts in Army budget caused a great part of this. So I would rather say that we - in the west - are actually not focusing enough on our militaries.
Briselance 6 months ago
@Briselance I disagree - it is through the arrogance of the west that we ignore the very great qualities of the east. We all have something to bring to the table, if only we could work together. Improving our military is a waste of money, time and resources - strength through cogniscence, not arms!
Exotichyena 6 months ago
@Exotichyena
"Improving our military is a waste of money, time and resources"
If so then why didn't we stayed with flintlock rifles and muzzle-loading cannons ?
Improving one's country military forces can never be considered, in any way, as waste.
Briselance 6 months ago
@Exotichyena
"strength through cogniscence, not arms!"
Whether you want it or not, strength is also - if not mainly - achieved by arms.
No country will ever be able to maintain itself free without a modern and well-developped military force.
Unless it's a very little country such as San Salvador, the Principality of Andorra, the Republic of San Marino, etc. but even they depend on the armed forces of other, bigger neighbor countries to protect them.
Briselance 6 months ago
@Exotichyena
The example of the little countries I mentionned earlier tells us that abandonning one's military strength is just making one's country a liability, a parasite to the others more than an asset.
Briselance 6 months ago
@Exotichyena
Not to mention the blatant naivety of such an idea : "Improving our military is a waste of money, time and resources". Those who support this should never, ever be listened.
Why ? Simple.
Just after WW1, we, in the west, gave voice and credits to such ideas. And we thought it would work to stop a dictator. We told him to stop invading other countries, send him many many letters ... which just served to supply him with toilet paper, as he didn't give a damn.
Briselance 6 months ago
@Exotichyena
But we remained blindly or, rather, stupidly, on that "peace-mongering" position until that well-known dictator sent his armies against us.
While he developped modern tactics (air forces/ground forces cooperation, interarms transmissions -radios-, modern weapons, and so on), we remained with outdated and dusty concepts ... "thanks" to the pacifists, who made us neglect the modernization and improvement of our forces.
Briselance 6 months ago
@Briselance If his weapons were so developed, and yours were not, how come you defeated him in less than a year, and conquered an entire country? And why shouldn't every person have equal strength - why must america have more than others? There is no argument save greed, and a lust for power. And do not try to distract from my point by giving me all that rubbish about needing to keep your weapons up to date, you already have enough armaments to blow up the world ten times! Enough perhaps?
Exotichyena 6 months ago
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@Exotichyena
"strength through cogniscence, not arms!"
Then how would you get a guy like Gaddafi out ? By throwing him flowers ?
To be willing to talk is useful ONLY if the other side is actually and sincerely willing to talk. And that's not always the case, far from it.
Briselance 6 months ago
@Praetorian107 I agree completely. We shoud give the native Americans back their land.
clevella 6 months ago
@clevella Hahaha that's very funny.
You do realize there's only, like, about 200,000 of them in the whole world, and they get enough as it is. What would you do with the other people that live there now? Throw them out to Europe?
cannabisabuser 6 months ago
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@Praetorian107 Every nation should learn from history in general, it's just that humanity's greed is inevitable.
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@TubeBillionaire Cleaner than your country.
tyrannasaurasalan 5 months ago
@TubeBillionaire
Well, the Germans never came anywhere close to sacking Washington DC. But, if a German warlord ever does end up crowning himself "King of America" a hundred or so years after Washington is sacked twice, just as Odoacer did, then we can revisit this topic. But until that happens, I wouldn't be so quick to bash America. I'm sure the ancient Greeks said the same thing in their day, i.e. these dirty, uncultured barbarians can't even compare to the glory that was Macedon.
Dieuaimebeethoven 2 months ago
@Praetorian107 Indeed, friend! Obama needs to raise a dozen legions and lay siege to the Senate and yeah no I really wouldn't compare the situation of Rome to the US like that just yet.
Lordofcookiejars 4 months ago
@Praetorian107 america is a virus.
shaihulud4815 3 months ago
@shaihulud4815 Actually a good description in terms of its historic proliferation, but it ain't growing enough lately. Too many nah-sayers proliferating their opinions instead of working. America is an empty vessel which needs not be destroyed... it will rot if too many of its inhabitants become armchair democrats. PS: Life is a virus. Therefore America is life.
chewpoi 3 months ago
@chewpoi as a med student, i have to disagree. Actually, a virus is the opposite of life. It sits just at the border between organic and unorganic. Pretty tricky business, interesting too. Check it up sometime, I'm pretty sure it's a subject anyone with half a brain would enjoy.
shaihulud4815 3 months ago
@shaihulud4815 As a person with half a brain...(ha ha)... Hey, i won't argue virus definitions, and appreciate the correction you provided. (Sorry). I heard once that life itself was a virus, and accepted it without much thought. Anyway, I ask that you respond to the issue of "America is a virus." I find that insulting.
chewpoi 3 months ago
@chewpoi when i say that, i'm not talking about the average american taxpayer, i'm talking about the global agenda your political class has. I'm talking about the corporations and the banking systems which basically turn all those in their grasp into legal slaves. I don't have a problem with the american people, just their government and their foreign politics.
shaihulud4815 3 months ago
@Praetorian107 " America has forgotten who she really is.." so...just curious who is she really? The America before WW2, during the civil wars, before the settlers came?
Fenrir63 3 months ago
@thearabsword1 Threw us into the sea did they? Im a descendant of the tribe of Valerius. Romans are weak, are we? We defeated 21 different styles of combat. We raped your women? You cut off their clitorus. Your women were wet for Romans as soon as we stuffed you sand monkeys back into your dunes. You never beat us, you can't beat us and you never will beat us. Septimius Severus crushed your people under his boot. The killers of innocent, unarmed women and children...the Mighty Arabs. Cowards!
Praetorian107 11 months ago
@thearabsword1 And before that, the Romans raped the shit out of the Arabic lands.
tyrannasaurasalan 1 year ago
@tyrannasaurasalan
No they did not .... you mean the Arabs who raped the shit of the roman lands
and then the turks
thearabsword1 1 year ago
@thearabsword1 No I mean when the Romans colonized the middle east, they'd rape the inhabitants, who were mostly arab. You are aware Arab lands were all once Roman right? The Sassanids got fucked up by the Romans too. In fact, if you think the Arabs were the reason the Romans moved out of that territory, you're dead wrong. It was the culmination of nomadic tribes in the west that caused the diversion of attention to Europe. In fact, i'm sure you can trace your lineage back to a Centurion!
tyrannasaurasalan 1 year ago
@thearabsword1 You are dead wrong. What history book are you reading?? The roman empire fell from the weakening of the army by changing standards and allowing non romans to serve. It was Germanic tribes that eventually attacked Rome from within and without. Arabs went to war with the eastern byzantine empire. Hardly the army the old west had maintained since the republican era. The legions of caesar would have run through the muhammedans like shit through a fuckin goose!!!
jowsihing 1 year ago
@jowsihing
who are the muhammadans ??? and by the way
in arab world we call all the west ... romans , feranjah , crusaders
but in general al rooman
and i think you call the arabs ... saracens ! !
thearabsword1 11 months ago
@thearabsword1 We call them target practice.
tyrannasaurasalan 11 months ago
brings back memories :D
TheNoobHunter91 1 year ago
I worry about the movie. I have no doubts script and actors will be fantastic what with the same people likely being involved. My worry is that without heavy financial backers like the BBC and HBO like it originally had which enabled them to make the huge sets and fantastically authentic feel to it that it'll lose something. Lets hope not. Also shame about the cost (recession, bah!), cos with the dire programs on the BBC and HBO now, a third season of Rome would be certainly worth a punt.
Warikz1234 1 year ago
The music could not be more inacurate. It's "ear candy", easier to accept by uneducated ears. If we accept the series as a serious historical representation, they should have used this music: "Musica dell'Antica Roma - Pavor". Please search it here in youtube. A friend of mine shared it, youtube no longer allows to paste links directly.
solnegrolunaroja 1 year ago
@solnegrolunaroja Nah. They shouldn't have. The music isn't the main point of the series.
tyrannasaurasalan 1 year ago
@tyrannasaurasalan Unfortunately. Music is one thing you always remember about a good series :(
solnegrolunaroja 1 year ago
@solnegrolunaroja No. It's the one thing YOU remember about a series. We can remember a song, but the historical accuracy of it really means nothing, especially when it never claims to be so.
tyrannasaurasalan 1 year ago
@tyrannasaurasalan Ok, I get it. Bye.
solnegrolunaroja 1 year ago
@solnegrolunaroja I'm glad you understand.
tyrannasaurasalan 1 year ago
@tyrannasaurasalan Yes, I'm sorry, bye.
solnegrolunaroja 1 year ago
@solnegrolunaroja But do you know why you're sorry?
tyrannasaurasalan 1 year ago
@tyrannasaurasalan Yes. I know.
solnegrolunaroja 1 year ago
@tyrannasaurasalan sometimes I forget my opinion it's not important. I must take my place.
solnegrolunaroja 1 year ago
@solnegrolunaroja Very right. Good boy.
tyrannasaurasalan 1 year ago
@tyrannasaurasalan Don't abuse. your opinion is also as disposable as mine.
solnegrolunaroja 1 year ago
@solnegrolunaroja Am I abusing you? The difference between your opinion and my opinion is that the latter is the correct one.
tyrannasaurasalan 1 year ago
@tyrannasaurasalan Your opinion has nothing to do with this. Is as controvertible as mine. If I said I'm sorry is because of things that concern to me and me alone. You are nobody to tell the absolute truth. But when you wrote "Very right. Good boy" you showed yourself as a bully. Enough.
solnegrolunaroja 1 year ago
@solnegrolunaroja The only way I could bully you is if you had a weak mind. Which apparently you do. Now cower out of fear of responding.
tyrannasaurasalan 1 year ago
@tyrannasaurasalan Think what you want. You already do that, so dialog is impossible. Bye.
solnegrolunaroja 1 year ago
@solnegrolunaroja Whoa! Watch where you fling those weak defense mechanisms! Justifying your cowardice does nothing for either of us.
tyrannasaurasalan 1 year ago
@tyrannasaurasalan XD easy talk. I'm not there to show you manners. Enough trolling, I'm tired of feeding trolls like you XD
solnegrolunaroja 1 year ago
@solnegrolunaroja And yet it was all unintentional on your part. How hilarious!
tyrannasaurasalan 1 year ago
@tyrannasaurasalan I'm going to sleep. Good night :)
solnegrolunaroja 1 year ago
@solnegrolunaroja I already went to sleep when you replied. What a shame. Looks like I WAS trolling you.
tyrannasaurasalan 1 year ago
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Fuck!! i just finish watch the two series today and believe me i'm fucking depresed to,, what am i gonna do now,, if somebody knows familliar episode plz contact me
Joini50 1 year ago
Fuck!! i just finish watch the two series today and believe me i'm fucking depresed to,, what am i gonna do now,, if somebody knows familliar episode plz contact me
Joini50 1 year ago
I wish the went all the way to Tiberius, just so they could address the issue with Jesus ( not religious person at all it would just be cool to me).
Zephaniah700 1 year ago
great
WlakyMaster 1 year ago
the kind of music you would have hot nasty sex to.
Southpawuppercut 1 year ago
Nice music. It reminds me of Misirlou.
wilsonmcphert 1 year ago
It would be nice to watch a season with the makers of Rome according to Plutarch, can you imagine, with computer technology they can take us back to the creation of the city, with Numa succeedind Romulus, Marcellus capturing Syracuse, Lucullus in his Mithridatic campaign to the rebel General Sertorius in Spain to the reforms of Tiberius Gracchus, etc.
stupormundi7 1 year ago
Caesarian (Cleopatra and Julius' son) was actually murdered during the civil war that followed the assassination of Julius.
Paxtoranious 1 year ago
@Paxtoranious
That's what they want you to think.
tazgrento 1 year ago
where the hell is the movie!!! They were dumb as hell cancelling the show in the first place.
gaelenfade 1 year ago 40
@gaelenfade did they cancel it? i thought it ended with 2 seasons?
IFoundFunny 11 months ago
@gaelenfade I doubt there is going to be one. It's been a while. Wouldn't they show some progress somewhere if they were filming it by now?
IceEyedBlackWolf 11 months ago
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IceEyedBlackWolf 11 months ago
@IceEyedBlackWolf wtf? it ends before augustus is even crowned emperor! ...right?
7thdarkforce 11 months ago
@7thdarkforce Yeah but, personally, I think they should leave it as is.
IceEyedBlackWolf 10 months ago
@gaelenfade It was not them, it was HBO
DOSU344 10 months ago