my nation gentrification

[98bigbutt]

Gentrification=New Racial Segregation

[BabyGirlGoddess]

@98bigbutt

truth.

[98bigbutt]

@BabyGirlGoddess,This was the plan all along to make the Black and Hispanic neighborhoods dangerous to create this plan.

[AlizeCiz]

@98bigbutt how? Its actually forced integration. No one ever talks about the flipside of gentrification, section 8 housing being built in the suburbs.

[Yereviltwin2]

If a place isn’t gentrified then it’s called a ghetto

[IslenoGutierrez]

Look, I don't wish for you to kicked out of your homes to make way for more affluent people. I am just commenting on the situation. You wanna be mad, protest the developers. You guys are verbally attacking the people moving in. It is not there fault, nor is it right for you to call them names and act in hateful way. Also, yeah, I did say don't be hateful, and what you do? First post you can, you disrespect me. You should be against the developers not me or the new tenants. Those are your enemies

[Dottiecurran]

We are talking about people being forced out of their apartments in a city where it is difficult to find anything affordable by opening a newspaper or looking on Craigslist. Yet this one tells people not to be so "hateful" about it. I agree with Zarah and Bksbest. I never asked a landlord to "give' me an apartment, just charge a fair price. I'm sorry, "hipsters" from Bumfuct- I don't do 4 roommates and sitting on the floor while thinking I'm cool.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Dottiecurran @ZarahLean @Bksbest21 Hey, ya'll can gang up on me if you like, it makes me none. First of all my family isn't racist. I am not racist. My posting here is not racist. You seem to be paranoid. Nobody is chuckling over you and your housing situation. Atleast I am not. I am a good person and I believe in equality of all. Oh, and Dottie, please don't disrespect me by referring to me as "this one". You can call me Gutierrez. @Zarah, are you calling me the piece of shit? I would hope not

[Dottiecurran]

"think" it is cool

[Dottiecurran]

Zarah is right. These hick idiots come to New York because they thing it is cool. They care nothing about living conditions.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Dottiecurran Do you think it is right to call these people names who mean no harm to you. You don't know if that is entirely true for ALL of those people. That is wrong to call names and accuse. Seriously. C'mon now Dottie.

[IslenoGutierrez]

They are making Brooklyn nice. There's nothing wrong with that. I understand what you are saying, but there are other areas you can move to that are affordable. This is prime real estate and it will fetch a premium. Brooklyn is just changing again. This time it's changing more due to the class of people. I do feel for you. I hope you look at it as changing from poorer people to more affluent people than Black people to White people, because remember, you once took it from White people.

[ZarahLean]

@IslenoGutierrez I am white. You are from Louisiana. I was born in Brooklyn. The so called "hipsters" moving in are NOT making the area better. They live in filth with many roommates, for the most part. They are just driving the prices up to the point working and middle class New Yorker can't stay. Not, as you think, a better class of people coming in. To them, Brooklyn only has value while it is "cool" so they care nothing about it. Let them move out. Back to mommy.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@ZarahLean That is not true. I have a good friend of mine who just moved into one of these places in brooklyn that you are talking about. My friend is not filthy and neither are her friends that she surrounds herself with that are from the same development. They live in nice places and their places are clean and very very nice looking. I seen it with my own eyes Zarah. The prices are being driven up because the neighborhood is being restored and in turn becoming a "nicer" area than before.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@ZarahLean I understand you were there, but do you live in that neighborhood now?

[ZarahLean]

I grew up in Bushwick in Brooklyn. At one time it was mostly working class Italian and German American. Then it became mostly Latino. Now it is becoming a place where local people can not afford to live. "Hipsters" have invaded and prices are sky high. They fashion themselves are counter culture yet dress the same, think the same and mostly look anemic. They are the epitome of uncool.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@ZarahLean It's probably the grandchildren of those Germans and Italians.Maybe the grandchildren finally got the chance to go to college, like the grandparents wanted for themselves, but couldnt acquire it. Just maybe. I don't see anything wrong with it. Neighborhoods change all the time. It changed from a White neighborhood to a Black one, it's just changing again, this time back to White. It is what it is.

[ZarahLean]

@IslenoGutierrez I disagree with you that there is nothing wrong with so many areas of NYC becoming so expensive that local people are forced out. I know it can be argued that the way Bushwick had become in the 1970's (fires, crime) forced people out, too. None of it is good. I grew up in Bushwick and went to college but still could not afford to pay $3000 a month rent. I find the hipsters/(bull)artists the most putrid of all. In my opinion, there is nothing "hip" about conformist hayseeds.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@ZarahLean This is such hateful things to say. These people don't mean you any harm. They are just looking for somewhere to live, just like you. It just turns out that they can afford more. Why do you say such hateful things against these people? If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the developers only, not people who are looking for a nice place to live. That is wrong. I know these types of people, they are very nice people.

[ZarahLean]

@IslenoGutierrez I suppose it is not hateful to support people being kicked out into the street who don't want to take in roommates in order to pay $5000 a month rent? I lived in buildings with "hipsters" and they were horrible to be around. Maybe they can leave the front door open in the bayou, but not in Bushwick. Shopping carts and menus lttered the hall. Loud music at 3 am. Illegal rent increases? Who cares? Trust funds ! As soon as a new area is deemed "cool" they leave, good riddance.

[ZarahLean]

@IslenoGutierrez And furthermore, you live in Louisiana so have no expertise on the subject of gentrification in Brooklyn. The rent situation in New York is TOO DAMN HIGH for working and middle class people who do not get public assistance. And while we native Brooklynites might not have as much money as suddening hip Mary Ellen Applebee, my clothes are clean. I don't think mommy will pick up after me.

[Dottiecurran]

@IslenoGutierrez Zarah's info on Brooklyn life doesn't come from having "a good friend" living there,Mr. Gutierrez. She knows. I'm glad she mentioned menus in the hallway because this is a hipster trademark as they have to order food all the time. It creates a security problem as the menus sticking out from your door tell everyone you are away. Just ONE of the "bettering" the area these leftover reject hippies bring! Way cool!

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Dottiecurran also @ZarahLean, Hey guys, I do understand your concern, and believe me I do feel for you in your situation. Believe me I wish you had an alternative, but it looks like you really don't. All that I am saying is don't be so hateful towards people. Also, yes I do live in Louisiana, actually New Orleans to be exact, it's starting to happen here a little.But I been to brooklyn many times to a friends house. You know it won't be stopped, right? Are their just as good places nearby?

[edupbeat]

With flooding, hourly long commutes 2&from work, white folks got tired of that shit & said " eh, why can't we live closer 2 our jobs"! Their sense of entitlement & arrongance is what fuels gentrification. They don't give a fuck where the poor ppl end up.

[edupbeat]

Quick break down in american history: when ww2 ended the montgomery gi bill was giving 2 soilders. This soley started the white flight 2 the then new "suburbs". Whites didn't want 2 live amongst blacks in the inner city. Now fast forward some 50yrs later & those same white folks ( well not the same but their grandkids ) want their city back!

[oceanbelow]

New York is not for poor people anymore. Make more money if you want to stay. That is life in America.

[SirEdmund89]

Really? I thought it was the 'Big Apple'? Everybody gets a bite?

[xCAGx77]

i wonder how the italians of east harlem felt when the givernment came in, kicked them out of their apartments, knockled the buildings down and built projects for the puerto rican immigrant wave (that was funded by ny taxpayer dime) sponsored by Fiorello Laguardia?

[TheeAssyrian2000AD]

probably the same way blacks felt when the American government flooded the country with Italians and Irish immgrants to keep from paying and hiring blacks.

[xCAGx77]

thats the point...there's always one group that gets pushed aside for another it just goes on endlessly from one to the next.

[TheeAssyrian2000AD]

Blacks got pushed to the side a lot more than every other group. I do know Italians flooded the country to keep blacks from getting jobs. It was not their fault though. The government was the ones that invited them.

[haitianzoezoe]

ahahahha nice try smarty pants, the italians and all whites left because they hated latinoes and blacks maybe you should research race riots ,

[xCAGx77]

no, sorry but the fact is that the apartment buildings that were in teh area (there's still some left) were all 5 or 6 story walk ups. Those were full of italians until they were demolished and rebuild as project buildings, which didn't happen in a week. It is a fact...and my only point is that someone is always being displaced so there's no sense in complaining, either pay the new rent or move, thats all you can do.

[haitianzoezoe]

its not called white flight for no rreason , them italians chose to left , these puerto ricans dont want to

[xCAGx77]

ok, so they don't want to...then pay the new rent and stay.

[haitianzoezoe]

y is their new rent?? is their a specific reason for this?? your rite by the way but i just want to know y theirs new rent

[xCAGx77]

If enough of a market for teh housing in an area exists then developers can come in and buy the land/buildings and convert them to luxury condos and apts. The lower teh crime rate goes the more likely wealtheir people will move to areas that tehy used to think were too dangerous to live in. A huge drop in crime is always a double edged sword. The area gets better but then the inhabitants cant afford to live there.

[haitianzoezoe]

gotcha

[theworldisnotenough]

Wait she said phenomenon? Yeah a phenomenon so common it is happening on a continual basis in every major city in America. I would like to introduce people to what's called a city plan. This is a document that lays out the city's growth plan for the next 20 years or so. Here in San Diego Barrio Logan was permtted for construction of buildings up to 4 stories. Abracadabra gentrification is on the way! Buy now to sell/build later!

[theworldisnotenough]

To think they are bitching about gentrification. Ever heard of a reverse mortgages? People that have equity in their home can take a loan to provide for themselves in their golden years (Soc Sec won't cut it sorry). So when they die bye bye inheiritance. This is going to transfer a great amount of wealth from urban blacks. Think gentrification on steroids, Morehouse could be in the middle class mixed neighborhood. The horror!

[johnbourbon]

she uses the world gentrification like its the plague. lol.

BTW - did whites use the word "DEgentrification when the welfare-state moved in? and stayed...and stayed...and stayed...and stayed - entire generations HOOKED on welfare. well, the TIDE HAS TURNED, so get ready for the snow storm.

all of these neighborhoods were white working/middle class to begin with. why did you people and DEGENTRIFY their perfectly nice, clean, and crime free neighborhoods???

[haitianzoezoe]

crime free??? lmfaoo omg lmfaooo neighrbohoods like harlem , brownsville , bed stuy were all crime ridden areas before blacks even moved in , maybe yous hould start watching more mafia documentaries on the history channel , its kinda funny that ppl actually think that these areas were safe and crime free before minorities moved in , as a matter of fact italains and irish ppl are the ones who started gangs in new york city

[johnbourbon]

i'm going to say this as nicely as possible:

log the fuck off, dickhead.

[Yusuf76us]

Capitalism at its best. Profit over people.

[Bksbest21]

I wish these gentrifiers would go back to the wal mart towns they are from and stop trying to channel sex and the city via brooklyn

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Bksbest21 I believe before they got to the walmart towns, they were in your neighborhoods long ago. It seems like they want to go back to their grandparents neighborhoods.

[Bksbest21]

@IslenoGutierrez im sure thats true but my family has been living o the same few blocks for the past 150 years so my neighborhood isn't included in what your talking about

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Bksbest21 Well if your family doens't have to go, then that is good. But if they do, then they just have to move somewhere it is affordable. My fathers family was from the 9th ward area of New Orleans. This was traditionally a White area back in the 70's, but they all moved into the nearby area of St. Bernard Parish because their neighborhood was "taken over" by incoming Black people. Lol. Oh, I'm Spaniard descent by the way.

[Bksbest21]

@IslenoGutierrez your family only left because they were racist when has an influx of black people ever raised property values, and I'm generally shocked that yall left history has told us time and time again that if black family moves in you neighborhood yall try to burn they house down or assault them, also im AMERICAN descended, and if you Spaniard you should go home.

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Bksbest21 You are American descended as in what? Amerindian? America is a nation of descendants of immigrants. My family came here 200 years ago from Spain's Canary islands. I'm an American. They were not racist. They just didn't want to live in what was becoming a "Black" neighborhood. Back in those days Blacks lived with Blacks and Whites lived with Whites. It's not like today.

[ZarahLean]

@IslenoGutierrez You need to stop. The bottom line of your posting here is racism. Working and middle class people of all colors are not going to sit quietly while you chuckle over us being forced out of our homes. You are not even from New York. People like you are just tools for greedy real estate interests. Maybe hick "hipster" thinks its "awesome" that a studio apartment rents for $4000 a month. And maybe this piece of shit should take his grundge wear ass back home.

[Bksbest21]

@IslenoGutierrez im black and Amerindian descent and my family has been here for 400 years, and if we go through the Amerindian side we've been here for thousands of years, america is not a nation of immigrants blacks never immigrated here so please with that, blacks with blacks and whites with whites sounds like racism to me, sounds like blacks were trying to integrate and your racist family was trying to segregate

[IslenoGutierrez]

@Bksbest21 Ok, here it is since you want to be difficult. Back in those days, it was Whites with Whites and Blacks with Blacks. That was the past. But today it's still like that in Black neighborhoods. Let a White person try to go or move to a Black neighborhood and watch the racism unfold in front of your eyes from Blacks. Ok, maybe this place was not an immigrant nation 1000 years ago, but it is now. Even though Blacks didn't "immigrate", this is still a country of descendants of immigrants.

[Herr2Cents]

free market!

[HardBodyNyC]

Good thing gentrification doesnt happens in Queens Ny. Intead hella immigrants (mostly illega) come. Id rather have immigrants than hipster faggats. I dont think they'll be moving into The Bronx any time soon. Hipster cowards. BYE BYE BROOKLYN and the LES is long gone.

[BrooklynJiujitsu]

Actually, this shit is hitting both the Bronx and Queens. Any place with cheap real estate in the city is going to get bought up unless the residents do something about it.

[HardBodyNyC]

Good thing gentrification doesnt happens in Queens Ny. Intead hella immigrants (mostly illega) come. Id rather have immigrants than hipster faggats. I dont think they'll be moving into The Bronx any time soon. Hipster cowards. BYE BYE BROOKLYN and the LES is long gone.