All programs in our public schools, which discuss homosexual behavior ought to be removed.
There is no proof, whatsoever, that homosexual "behavior" is innate/genetic. Even the American Psychological Association (APA), the political champion of homosexual behavior has finally conceded that fact, in its latest pamphlet, on the subject.
Google: APA's New Pamphlet on Homosexuality De-emphasizes the Biological Argument, Supports a Client's Right to Self-Determination
how can you call me a bigot because i disagree with you maybe you are bigot against the hetorosexual keep your perversion to yourself . repent. sunday worship is the mark of the beast remnantofgoddotorg
Why WOULDN'T parents want their kids to know about gay marriage. I think it good to let children know at a young age that there are people who may be different than the traditional "mommy and daddy." The younger they know, the more accustomed and nonjudgmental they are as they grow up.
Kevin Jennings plan is to promote homsexuality in schools and expand the gay population. His agenda is much more than talking about gay marriage. Do not be naive. He gives fisting workshop to 14 years old behind their parents back
I'm stuck on "expanding the gay population." Obviously, your reasoning of people being gay is a choice. However, that is NOT true, so the gay population will remain the same.
A friend of mine is bisexual but her twin sister is lesbian. She is a PhD Psychologist and has done extensive research on the "Nature vs Nurture" issue and to date, she believes there is not enough reliable data available to make an Emperical conclusion. Much of the research is skewed or contaminated, coming from studies that are biased to a particular view. To say, without evidence, that something is NOT true is irresponsible and misleading & doesn't contribute to the validity of the issue.
Her twin is a veterinarian and has no interest in the controversy.I believe, based on observations and comments during social events, her sister ascribes to Nature over the Nurture hypothesis; however, I can't say for sure as she and I never discussed her point of view. Thank you for a respectful discourse.
It is systematic plan to expand the population of homos and activists, from school education to adoption. if two guys or girls adopt a kid, there is a damn good chance the kid will turn out gay. Even if it doesn't, they have another activist to picket in the streets.
@ma7799 Are you be serious right now? People are attracted to same sex because it's the way they are born, not because of what they're around. Even if one is confused growing up, that's a natural part of finding yourself. I'm a gay male raised by two hetero-parents. How do you explain that?
Having raised two boys who have a gay uncle, I can say without hesitation that school is NOT the place to teach about marriage. They don't "teach" about heterosexual marriage so why homosexual marriage? School is not the venue for such matters.
@ajszalla "queering children before they know better is the agenda of gay activists".
Homosexuality is the new state religion that is forced upon parents and their children in state schools. Garriage is the opposite of marriage. It is good to have judgement and clarity. Manipulating chidren with hiding the reality of the gay lifestyle is wrong
in second grade, kids aren't really taught about family life so if they're gonna teach homosexual marriage (which i don't approve of) can they at least wait!?
Everyone needs to know the truth about the Worthlins, in this commercial. They were a Mormon couple who moved to a particular Mass school district in order to stir up trouble. They'd heard about kids learning about two dads in school. They went there to cause trouble. They sued and LOST their case. They were the "poster" children for frightened parents in CA and ME commercials. The problem is, it was all a set-up. The Mormons knew exactly what they were doing...
This video is SICK... too all the gay parents should they want their kids to only learn about other gay couples???? What ever happened to respect and love for all walks of life? living and let living? Treating others how you want to be treated? FREEDOM? ETC
What's sweet about Prop 8 in CA is that the fears of these people turned into REALITY, and it was their OWN making. After Prop 8 passed several school districts voted to have "diversity" training where kids learned about families with same sex parents. AND, children may NOT opt out of it! You reap what you sew! And, it will be even more sweet when the US Supreme Courts invalidates ALL Constitutional bans because of Prop 8! Can't wait! Thank you Prop 8!
Voteyesonquestion1, are you going to watch the Federal court case to overturn Prop 8 next week? Is it any surprise that supporters of your side of this argument, are totally against having the proceedings made public? Wonder why that is? It wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the fact that people against gay marraige are out and out bigots, would it? I guess you guys fear being seen without your KKK hoods on... What are you afraid of?
Yes, Same-Sex Marriage SHOULD and WILL be taught in the schools, because the Pro-Life and Pro-Family Movements forced the issue of teaching marriage in the schools in the first place by demanding abstinence-only curricula in lieu of sex education and sexual responsibility education. Kids everywhere need to know that being gay is a condition just as equally acceptable as being straight - before they learn and acknowledge which condition they posses, usually when they reach puberty.
and as far as the "how do I explain to my kids about 2 men getting married?" bullshit: 1- the school is explaining so you don't have to, 2- they will need an explanation one way or another since they will undoubtedly be exposed to the concept by the media or *gasp* classmates with gay parents or relatives, and 3- it only seems odd to children raised to believe it's odd. if your kids end up confused it's only because you made them that way
Yeah, gotta make sure the gay children feel like they're wrong and don't realize that they could one day marry who they want to. For that matter, gotta keep all kids as ignorant of the world around them as possible, gay or not. You people are bigots, deny it all you like. "Oh, homosexuality is fine as long as my children aren't gay and will never be taught anything gay." I hope your children turn out queer as a $7 bill and that you hypocrites don't get to have biological grandchildren.
This tactic backfired in California. There are some school districts that have now instituted MANDATORY gay-positive classes that students may NOT opt out of as a result of Prop 8. All I have to say is you reap what you sew. Call it karma...call it self fulfilling prophecy... I call it long OVERDUE. And, it's really the parents that need the training not the kids.
Google: Alameda school board adopts respect-gays class in wake of Prop 8...
Unfortunately, you might be right about it never passing at the ballot box, and that's why the Supreme Court will eventually decide in favor of gay marriage. Mark my words. This was true of every other important civil rights issue, and will be the same with gay marriage. The courts SHOULD decide issues like this, because the ignorant (and religiously bigoted) public usually gets it wrong. 70 percent of Americans were against interracial marriage when the ban was lifted by SCOTUS.
so people dont have a right to vote on what they think? If people were voting it ok then people woudl be rejoicing. it is a state issue not a court issue
Yes, that's absolutely right. People should NOT have the right to vote on civil rights issues, otherwise the minority always loses. Is that fair? Where would school integration be without the courts? What about women's right to vote? What about slavery? If it were up for a vote, I think there's a good chance slavery would return to states in the South (seriously). So, I absolutely think voting on gay marriage is WRONG. It should be left to courts and legislatures. End of story.
Sexual orientation is formed well before a child ever goes to school. it is NOT learned "behavior." It might take puberty to figure one's orientation out, but it is not determined late in life. So, it stands to reason that if five to twenty percent of the population is gay, then those gay children deserve the right to learn that one day they too can have a satisfying adult partnership. You can DENY that gays exist all you want, but we won't go away...
Oh, and the Wirthlins, in this commercial, are Mormons who moved to a Massachussets school district PRECISELY to stir up trouble. They wanted to bring a lawsuit. They LOST their lawsuit, and now they are poster children for the Mormon crusade against gays. How disgusting... Their child is a pawn. What if HE turns out to be gay?
Oh, I almost forgot, they're also talking about adoption. Adoption exists with or without marriage. Marriage is not a requirement for adoption. So, what's the connection? But, my absolute favorite is the California doctor who refused fertility treatment to a lesbian because of her religious prejudices. WHAT THE HELL does fertility treatment have to do with marriage? That one is the most mysterious of all....! They've got no argument against TWO people signing a LEGAL contract...
Can someone PLEASE explain to me what the legal contract between two adults has to do with teaching in schools? Is there ANY relationship AT ALL? This was all made up by a black man in California before Prop 8. The Prop 8 people had never even thought to use schools as an issue. Guess what? The idiotic voters of our state bought it. Whatever works. If you can't stick to the ISSUE, which is TWO ADULTS in a LEGAL contract, then smokescreen with something unrelated. How clever...
The teacher in the ad is from a private catholic school. Shame on her for promoting irrational fear and mistruths (homophobia) to the public. Her God would not approve.
to the contrary, she SHOULD care about children in Maine. But she clearly is more concerned with her beliefs and fact-less opinions than she is with childrens welfare. Otherwise, she would not promote irrational fear and misleading "facts" to the public.
Parents that have a fear of their kids learning about "undesirable" truths, should enroll them in private religious schools. This teacher is not in public school, and has no idea what she is preaching in this Ad. All Maine families should be respected and learned about, including in school. VOTE NO ON 1 !!
I live in Mass...this is UNTRUE. Gay marriage will not be taught in schools and gay marriage will not affect your heterosexual marriage. Gays want their marriage, hey don't want to take away the religious part of your heterosexual marriage. Vote no on 1...and show the ret of the world that America isn't just a closed minded Christian nation anymore...that you can be Christian and accepting together...Jesus would want that and its what our consititution says: every man is equal
What is funny about this commercial is that they do not teach any sort of marriage in schools. They only teach sexual education as it relates to the reproductive process. Not to mention the people in that commercial were staged, and they were paid by the committee against it, to say those things. Funny how money talks and uneducated people still rant. Shame shame.
I didnt even know what a homosexual was till high school, and I was kissin girls in 3rd grade! What does that tell you!?
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Also, you know what I think is awesome? How the guy (or girl) in charge of this "voteyesonquestion1" account can't type very well, deletes or ignores comments, and is making up numbers even though we are on the internet and can easily fact check at a moment's notice.
It makes me laugh, and reminds me that, while not all supporters of a cause are stupid, the loudest usually are. That, or they're desperate... and I can't think of any good reason for anyone to be desperate to ban gay marriage.
Why is this ad the EXACT SAME AD that I saw run so many times over here in California? And why is it still SO BAD?
The people are annoying, the message is both mean-spirited and (honestly) pretty stupid, and oh my God do not even get me started on what they are wearing. They could use a little more exposure to LGBT people, both to learn more about accepting and even liking other humans, and to learn more about wearing the right clothes for their bodies.
Oh yes...Protect you children from the gays...But wait, what if they ARE gay, what if their parents are gay, what if they have gay friends, gay teachers, gay janitors, gay bus drivers, gay principals?
HAHAHA I live near Ellsworth...the school department actually made a press release saying that the curriculum will NOT be changed because of this bill. This is about civil rights, same as any minority needs equal rights. This is no "special interest group", this is a major part of the population that was born predisposed to like the same gender.
Susan Gendron, Maine commissioner of education has many plans to bring homosexuality in middle and high schools. You need to reed the LGBTQ youth commission reports that she support and which was crafted by Maine Equality, the MCLU and Maine education department. Since they are 2.8% people who are gays and only 5% are even interested in marriage, only 1000 couples demand the right to redefine the marriage of the society. It is absurd
Janet Mills refued to sign and guarantee that it would not have any impact. Her own asst Thom Harnett was involve in creating the LGBTQ agenda in school. Gov Baldacci, Susan Gendron, Janet Mills work together in deceiving the people. That will have little effect. The truth is coming out. The curriculum is the false trap. They are coming through the bacl door after the kids.
Absolutely! How dare those hetero-facists try to claim that they have a monopoly on--
Oh wait. You're one of them. Again, my bad. Maybe you should come out of the closet and admit to being just another homophobe. That way no one confuses you with an honest, decent, caring human being. Clearly you're a spiteful, deceitful, and morally bankrupt human being. You claim to be otherwise despite constantly contradicting that.
Massachsetts has had gay marriage and has fewer divorces. Heterosexual marriages is alive and well there.
The ad features a couple from Massachusetts. Heidi Guarino, chief of staff for the Mass. Department of Elementary and Secondary Education, said she had not heard complaints from parents echoing the concerns of the Wirthlins.
The ad also features Charla Bansley, an English teacher at a private Christian school, identified in the commercial as a teacher from Ellsworth.
Marriages as well as divorces have declined all over the country. The average age for marriage in Mass is now 30 years old. If you compare ethnicity, income, race, etc.. you cannot make you claim especially if you look at a 20 years history. Only 5% of gays get married and gays are 2.8% of the population. Gay marriage is realy a ponzi scheme of the first order.
Divorces are down because marriage is down. The institution is dying and gay people want to fix it.
The fact that nationally divorces are down has nothing to do with Massachusetts leading the way.
Studies have found at least 4% of the U.S. population is gay. It's probably higher, but I love how you know the exact number yourself. 12% is black and 2-5% have red hair, should we let them marry?
Only 5% marry? You made that up. But through September 2008, there had been 12,167 same-sex marriages in Massachusetts, out of 170,209 marriages in all. That's 7% of the total population. If that's only 5% of the gays in the state then, if all gays married, they would number over 100% of the people in the state! Wouldn't that be both amazing and impossible?
You need to deduct the out of state couples. The first year, they wer over 5000 same sex marriage. Now it is already down to 1000, out of over 36000. It is just over 2%. So your #s are not correct or misleading.
11,000 gay and lesbian couples have exchanged vows in the state as of November 2008. Six months after May 17, 2004, when Massachusetts began issuing marriage licenses for gay and lesbian couples, an estimated 6,100 same-sex couples married. Gay marriage rates leveled off at about 1,500 a year - about 4 percent of all state marriages - in 2006 and 2007. Assuming 2.3% of men and 1.3% of women in Massachusetts (based on one national estimate) are gay, 16.7% of homosexuals married.
Lambad legal use 2..8% when they go to court. It is no my #. Kevin Jennings wants to grow the population. That is why, he wants to go after the kids early.
In scandinavia, marriage is down to 41%. Gay marriage made it worse.
In Scandanavia, heterosexuals don't believe in God. It has nothing to do with gays. Nice straw man argument though. The fact that you think gays are so evil and can make kids gay, and even would want to, shows how hateful you are. Why not just admit it and quit talking about the low numbers that exist. Who cares how many there are. If there were 3, they should have the same rights. Just quit making figures up and say you think they're all pervs.
Hmm I wonder how long it would have taken us to do that for immigrants, women, or black people. The rights of a minority should never be left to a vote.
look up crime statistics since the hight of the civil rights movement and your point can be refuted. I do see your point but when democrats always want to rob the working people to give to the lazy they are letting the majority ( lazy) dictate to the majority (hardworking). Even election time they get elected that is what they do. actually when negroes got their rights a good amount possibly a majority of whites thought it was time
someone said that rights of the minority should not be set by the majority. I pointed out that since the civil rifhts movement is often used by the gays that once the civil rights movement hit pay dirt in the laste 1960s people just were happy to leave well enough alone and the crime rates have gone up in this country. Had majority ruled the country would probably be better off. I hate to say that but the statistics show it
I never said people should not have been given freedom. I said look at what happened since then then. Crime statistics are facts. I actually blame it on slavery in the first place. Also the majority did decide that it was time in the case of blacks to get rights look at the votes in the civil rights act. Some southerners even voted for it.
Umm...interracial marriage was struck down by a Supreme Court case. Loving v. Virginia.
While you are right in the fact that the 13th Amendment was passed by Congress, the fact that interracial marriage was decided by a court and not by a vote.
I can't believe this ad is for real. So what if a 2nd grade kid learned that boys can marry other boys - that isn't going to make him gay. At that age, kids don't even understand about sex - they should understand marriage as being adults loving each other. I think it is a great thing if small children are taught from a young age that homosexuality is acceptable and normal - and hopefully in a few years we will see the death of the ugly prejudice and homophobia that is shown in this advert.
You should try to point out any hate speech I have written, as I have not posted any and why have you singled me out? Do you disagree with my stance that 2nd graders should not be indoctrinated? Who have I hated on? Please don't say gay people, because I'm a lesbian, but if I am to be accused of something, please point it out to me.
Really? Can you do a lovely side by side comparison like I did of my faulty logic and suppositions? Can you reference doctoral studies like Peter Bearman and Hannah Bruckner study "After the Promise: STD Consequences of Adolescent Virginity Pledges?" Can you reference news stories like "Texas Teaches Abstinence, with mixed Grades?"
I can point to two comparisons that you have not thought of. Common knowledge and common sense. As for 'studies' I prefer common sense to someone else's viewpoint. So, no, I didn't fail, I'm still standing. And I can see over you.
Really? In other words you can't deal with reality, and instead prefer the magical land of My Little Ponies. You have a delusional mind and are terrified of the real world. Which is why you are so consistently wrong.
I can't deal with reality? I'm more grown than you would ever hope to be. You are delusional if you prefer to show 2nd graders porn than a story book which helps them learn reading skills at their level. And you call me pro-bullying when all of your posts ARE bully tactics, hypocrite. You don't understand anything that is reasonable and have not given one reasonable arguement of fact or logic. I believe your posts are designed to intimidate for the hell of it. You want to be a shock-jockette?LOL
Oh look, you are lying again. I'll wait for those quotes to prove you are in any way honest.
Really? Because I'm well educated, citing my sources, using logic and reason, and not engaging in hyperbolic claims divorced from reality, I'm bullying?
Really? Then why am I the only one listing sources? Why is that? Pretty much destroys your "fact" line, as well as your "logic" claim.
Seriously, educate yourself before you meddle with children's education.
I don't give a rip if you are a Dean, you lack common sense. I don't care about sources, I care about sense and you have a strong lack on the subject. I would hope you don't meddle with other peoples' children, period, since you would be a very bad influence on their mental and emotional well-being. Liberals are like spoiled brats who try to turn the fan back on those whom they rebel against. What you have been trying with me. Go hug a tree and split. I'm through with your idiocy. YOU ARE SPAM.
And btw, for a teacher to tell a child that homosexual marriage is ok, is indoctrination. The parents may feel otherwise and don't want the school to indoctrinate or brainwash their child. If indoctrination was permited, then even pedophile teachers could tell children it's ok for them to be touched by adults. Try reading THOSE headlines where teachers have sex with their students. Is that ok with you too?
And btw, that's not what happened at all. As was determined in court.
The parents can feel anyway they want. Good for them.
Really? Care to provide me a single instance of a teacher telling a class of students it is okay for them to be touched by adults? Go on. I'm waiting.
YOU are saying children should be told it's ok. And for teachers telling kids it's ok for adults to touch them, they not only say it's ok, they are SHOWING them by having pedophilia sex with them. Google the cases. Male and female teachers all over the nation being arrested. Your wait is over.
No, I didn't. Please quote me to show you are not lying.
Look at how ridiculous and hysterical you are. You are attempting to compare simple lessons on diversity with pedophilia. Which is delusional thinking enough. Then because you know it is a completely irrational comparison, you do not answer my question at all (which is as close to rational on this deranged train as it is possible to find) and instead act even more crazed.
Hysteria? Is that supposed to be some reverse psychology you're playing with? I'm calmly sitting here laughing at your idiocy. Lessons in diversity...Hmmm, lessons on gay marriage, which doesn't belong in schools, is moot. They're not lessons. I'm not saying gays are pedophiles, but you advocate teaching indoctrinations and there lies the similarities. Both would be indoctrination, an undue influence. It's not my problem you can't understand intelligent reasoning. Get some more life and reason.
You know what I think appropriate sex ed in school would include? It would include discussion of the risks and various sex acts. It would demonstrate the use of contraception and discuss the pros and cons of each. It would teach the value of abstinence.
It would NOT teach HOW or why to perform any sex act. Kids easily figure that out thus it's unnecessary and could almost encourage kids to have sex.
At what age would you teach the above? At what age do kids start having sex?
What?!!? Talk to 7 year olds about sex acts and contraceptives? This video is about 2nd graders. You think it's ok for little children to be exposed to sex acts and what? Encourage them to have sex? You are one sick perv. I am finished with you.
What in hell are you talking about? Did you read and/or understand anything I wrote? I never said anything about 7 year olds. Do 7 year olds have sex? I certainly hope not! Sex ed should start when, on average, kids start actually having sex.
Just so we're clear, my post should have read risks OF various sex acts.
I personally think relationships past friendship shouldn't be taught in school at all. It would remove the argument and leave it up to family to teach about this sort of thing. Schools have no business teaching such highly opinionated things as required material.
Brainwashing children? oh sweety your a little fucking late lmao! People have been brainwashed all their lives. The reason for the acknowladgement of gay people amd marriage at a younger age, is so that gay children don't grow up being fucking tormented, and bullies and put down.. The people in this ad should be ashamed they are trying to stop something that coul potentually save alot of lives. You know, it's the childrens choice who they love, but they should know that all love is equal.
They're too young to comprehend in 2nd grade, you fucking idiot. I'm a lesbian and I agree with the parents. I'm not one of you sick pervs who want to cram sexuality down children's throats. Get some intelligence and stop pushing your stupid agenda on kids. YOU should be ashamed, sick ass. And save lives?!? WTF!? Get real. THESE ARE KIDS!!
Do you know how cruel kids can be? They grow up all their lives, from what, 2nd grade maybe? Being told that gay is wrong, by their parents, their friends, and even subconsiously. ALL the schools are trying to do is to build some type of understanding with the children and raise them with compassion towards their fellow students, gay or not. You know it's kind of pathetic that you would accuse me of being sick when there are homophobic parents out there that beat their children for being gay.
You can't even think logically. Kids that young lack the maturity to understand concepts that are for older folks. Hell, YOU are a kid yourself. If a parent feels being gay is wrong, that is none of your business, but is their right. I myself know it is against God. Pathetic libs like you are heterophobes. COMPASSION FOR ALL PEOPLE should be taught, yes, but no group should be singled out specifically. ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. If schools taught the constitution more, kids would know that.
You want to show who beat their kids for being gay? Loser? Schools don't raise children. Parents do. Parents don't have to support the gay agenda if it's against their beliefs, you fucking moron. Get real. Parents have a right to remove their children from any school that promotes this agenda. Just because you are gay, you want everyone to be, even at 8 years old. How pathetic you are, scum.
What? ok, wow. Slow down. Not only are you falsy accusing me of being an extrimist, but you are saying I want everyone to be gay? You yourself know it is against god? and don't use my age to back up your argument, because I don't acknowladge that bullshit =) You are the one acting you a 10 year old, hurling your derelict vocabulary at me. You don't understnd the situation, obviously. Open your eyes, you silly girl. If homosexuality is introduced at a young age, the children will be more likely
Romantic relationships have nothing to do with children, therefore, they're too young to mentally process it. on't you understand yet? What you are advocating is indoctrinating children how they should think about an issue. Not only is that morally wrong, it is illegal for schools to indoctrinate. And your vocabulary is no better than mine. NOBODY has to accept the gay lifestyle. If it is against their beliefs, you have no right to assume they should. No difference in whether you're gay or bi.
The same people who complain about "indoctrination" of kids by gays are the same ones that advocate prayer and Bibles in schools. How is it wrong to teach kids that there's nothing wrong with being gay but it is ok for school officials to teach religion?
You're right, nobody has to accept gays, except our government. Our government has an obligation offer everyone equal protection under the law. Denying gays marriage does not gel with that obligation.
If parents don't want their children to be taught what is reserved for parents to talk to them about, then parents have that right. Children have no mature concept of romance, period. Their minds, like their bodies are not mature. Our founding fathers advocated prayers and bibles in school and is different than sex and romance. Prayer and the bible teaches discipline and love for all people, so the subject of intolerance of gays is moot. Doesn't mean they have to accept that it is ok.
Children have a concept of family, and why shouldn't they be taught that the family of their classmate Suzy who has two dads is no more or no less valuable than any other family?
When you teach Christianity in schools you then open up to the teaching of other world religions. Do you want your son or daughter being taught about Islam or having the Principal offer up a Muslim prayer in the morning?
You're presuming that billy gives a rip about suzy's 2 dads. Kids know their own family environment. It goes back to the concept of teaching kids to be good to each other, not just kids of gays. islam is taught in schols, not Christianity, and is probably why some grow up hostile. The quaran is in text books. islam is not a religion, but a book on killing non-islam worshippers. islam is an ideology. Children in 2nd grade would not understand high school math, so why think they'd understand gay?
Kids like to tease and harass people they perceive as different than they are. If they understand that gay couples really aren't that different they're less likely to have a problem with a classmate who has 2 dads, or a classmate that turns out to be gay himself.
Children understand more than you think. They certainly understand love and hate. It's up to us to teach them the right one.
Some kids bully because they are abused at home. Some bully to show off. But to say they bully because of anything having to do with being gay is absurd, since they bully kids of straights too. You are presuming again that kids might bully a classmate at a later time. That bridge should be crossed when they come to it, when they can perceive things better. But again, it's not the teachers' place to talk about those things. It's the parents' place when the child is old enough to understand.
You are creating a scenario that does not exist in 2nd grade. What 2nd grader is going to even know about romance, whether hetero or gay romance? You are trying to justify homosexuality using children as tools to do so and that's pathetic. To say I am pro bullying is another creation of yours called strawman arguement and I don't rise to those baiting tactics.
Really? So no 2nd Grader knows the story Cinderella? Sleeping Beauty? Snow White? The Little Mermaid? It seems to me that you haven't thought this through.
And no, it isn't a strawman. See by the fifth grade kids are hanging themselves over anti-gay bullying. Look up Jaheem Herrera. That is real. That is what is really going on. By refusing to deal with that issue, by actively impeding efforts to rectify those situations, you are decidedly pro-bullying.
Furthermore, you're wrong in that our government has to accept gays. Personal preference concerning who we want to be with is not the government's business and it would be unconstitutional for the Govt. to decide, thus, overstepping their limited power. That is called encroachment. All of the laws discriminating on the basis of race, national origin, sex, creed, familiar status or handicap are not personal preferences, therefore is constitutionally protected.
Being gay is not a "personal preference," it's a sexual orientation that no one I know chose. I've never figured out why someone would think that someone would choose to have to deal with all the B.S. society heaps on gays.
Strawman. Being gay is a choice because we choose to do it. Smoking is addictive. But we can choose to stop it, though we'd be pissed at first. Look at the gay society ripping into straights who don't agree with the lifestyle. How we are as we grow older is not determined at birth, so that theory of 'born that way' is a lie. We're not born straight or gay. Those are emotional factors, not biological. So being gay is a preference that was oriented by our emotional curiosity then adoption of it
People choose to have that first cigarette, I didn't choose to be attracted to that person of the same sex. And sure I could repress my sexuality and be celibate, but I would still be gay and attracted to men. But why should I have to? Why should I be denied the joy and benefits of a committed relationship?
Something in your mind triggered that attraction. You had to have been curious at first. Like all of us, you acted on it and odopted it, then adapted to it. We like it. It's taboo. I repented to god at one time and asked Him to come into my heart and clean me up. I wanted to serve Him. I went on my knees one person and came up another. I didn't want a cig., didn't want anyone and I lived for Him for awhile, but I let satan compel me back into sin and all my habits followed. So it's a choice.
How come we never question was causes someone's heterosexuality? What in your mind triggered your heterosexuality?
I have been drawn to men long before I thought about sex. When I was a kid I would look at an attractive guy and say I wanted to "be him." Later on I realized I wanted to be WITH him. I have never looked at a girl and wanted to be WITH her.
Biology has nothing to do with our emotional functions. Who we want to be with is an emotional issue, having nothing to do with cells, chromosomes, etc., so your logic is flawed. AA has nothing to do with biology either. Addiction is a psychological problem as well.
Our brains are biological. Our thoughts and emotions are not. Bullshit, genes don't determine who you want for a mate. Otherwise, those who are happily straight then at times just want a little fun from the same sex disproves that theory. It's psychological and emotional.
You really need to educate yourself. I can walk into any lab in the country, inject a few hormones into any person you like and they will feel whatever emotion I want.
And yes, they do... in conjunction with prenatal hormones. Oh, and I love the attempt to use bisexuality as evidence of your point. Seriously, learn.
To accept it, and not judge people for the way they are. I never once said I want everyone to be gay, and I am NOT gay, I am a bisexual. This is a disagreement, no need to get bitter. Watch your language.
You use alot of 'maybes' or 'possiblies' but children cannot mentally process romantic relationships that young. Don't assume adults should tell their children to give special attention to gays or bis, because a child should be taught not to behave innapropriately or against ANYONE, not just gays. Grow up some more.
You obviously are perfect. Grown up sheltered from the media, you have never been taught something from a younge age, like language for example? or counting? If equality was taught at a young age, there would be a dramatic increase in understand and a dramatic decrease in bullying, ergo a dramatic decrease in gay teen suicide. Don't you see how it all links together? Perhaps you are too simple minded to understand.
Language and counting are ACADEMICS. and THAT is the only thing schools are supposed to teach children. Equality for all is in the constitution and if schools taught that more there would be no need to separate gays from straights on the subject. Have you ever heard of a 2nd grader comitting suicide over being 'gay'? No, because 2nd graders have not developed emotionally for such subjects. Bullying has always been a problem not just for kids of gays, but because kids bully for any reason. Idiot.
If you've got a problem with what they teach in schools then address the school system. Don't take away people's rights to solve your "problem." Although I'm guessing you never had a problem when the schools taught heterosexual sex and marriage.
Where did I call you a name? If you're referring to 'strawman' that was referring to strawman arguement. Anyway, I don't have any problems. And sex education is for the majority of students who will be heterosexual, but that is not taught in elementary schools and shouldn't be. Kids learn what they see and hear. It goes into their brains and is stored forever. As kids grow, more is learned and stored. It's how the info is processed and acted on that matters. And no the smoking and being gay.
I agree that sex ed shouldn't be in elementary schools. Sex ed should include everyone including gays, even if it's just a brief mention. Parental consent is required for a student to participate, so if the parents have a problem with its curriculum then they can opt out their child.
I learned as a kid that homosexuals were evil and sick and if you were one then you'd be hated by your friends and family. That didn't make me straight tho.
Sex Ed shows the basic differences in males and females and a clinical descriptions of functions. Gay sex Ed is moot and unnecessary since people already know what genitalia they have. I agree people can be ignorant about gays.
That is a terrible Sex Ed program. In fact, that's Abstinence Only education. Which demonstrably leads to high rates of STDs, pregnancy, and children loosing their virginity at the youngest ages.
Which is why it is so wonderful that people are turning to comprehensive Sex Ed.
Maybe you prefer they show porn instead. And again, you are so wrong and off base. They teach protection from diseases, but not in 2nd grade. Children losing virginity at an earlier age is partly due to what trhey watch on TV and adults, but again, 2nd graders have no comprehension on the subject.
I'd rather they show porn than give out bad/irrelevant information.
No, children loosing their virginity earlier is very much tied to Abstinence Only Education (as well as fundamentalism in Christianity.) It has nothing to do with TV. In fact the more worldly kids loose it later.
"I'd rather they show porn than give out bad/irrelevant information." Really? You'd rather a 2nd grader watch porn than to be given, in your opinion, bad/irrelevant info? Talking sex to a 7 year old is bad, irrelavent and inappropriate. And don't spin the abstinence only ed. or Christianity. You have absolutely no idea about life or kids at all. You have a very loose and liberal mind. You should be wanting to protect kids rather than want to wish them to be little nymphs with your view.
And no, it isn't. A 7-year-old is old enough to ask questions, and thus old enough to be answered.
I'm not spinning, it is the truth. Look up "Red Sex, Blue Sex," I can provide more if you like.
And I very much do know about life and kids. Sorry, I don't believe protecting kids from reality is in any way helpful. And studies have pretty much shown I am right.
You have no clue about the undeveloped mentalities and immaturities of children, which is what they are supposed to have at that age. They lack the intelligence and maturity to process such information. That is why they learn and progress year by year in schools. Try to give a 2nd grader a test in high school subjects and he or she can't figure it out because they are not ready for that much development that soon. If you pick an unripened fruit, what do you get? Your porno comment is disgusting.
Oh, I love this "supposed" to. In other words, let's not actually acknowledge the children, rather let's play a fanciful game of make believe about them. Sorry, but I would rather deal with real children than make believe ones.
And your continual advocacy of inherently awful ideas is the product of an irrational mind.
I acknowledge that children are developed slowly, physcally, mentally and emotionally. That is nature. You disagree with nature? We are talking about real children, not cabbage patch kids. It is an awful idea to teach children it is ok to think about sex though it is the parents place. You do not even deal in real life. YOU are too immature to figure things out.
Actually no, I'm talking about real children. You are talking about Cabbage Patch Kids, or did you not say, "they are supposed to have at that age." Key word, "supposed." When you say that, it is all about you, not all about the children. Very selfish of you.
Oh, and that is terrible thing to be against. That's where sexual dysfunction starts. Through your attempts at repression.
You have no grasp on reality... as so clearly evidenced here.
Excuse me? I can't believe you are advocating misinforming and giving incomplete information to students. That goes against the most basic premise of education.
Depends on the subject matter. Teaching academic info is what schools are about. Indoctrinating or telling a child how he or she SHOULD FEEL about something is brainwashing and is not part of a school's duty. That's not considered misinformation.
What are we talking about here? Bullying in general? Yes, they should learn, not just from schools, but parents, that bullying is wrong. But you want to confuse the issue by bringing sexual orientation into it which is moot with children that young. Bullying ANYBODY is wrong, should suffice to teach them.
Try to wrap your mind around what I actually posted. And that is it's wrong to bully for ANY reason and that should be taught to children How is that pro-bullying? Because it doesn't split hairs unnecessarily by injecting gay bashing? There is no difference in bullying a gay person and bullying someone with freckles, for example. Both are equally wrong. It is the behavior of bullying for any reason that is wrong.
And yet all schools in the nation have that policy... and that policy has failed to prevent anti-gay bullying. Since you refuse to deal with what is actually happening, that makes you pro-bullying.
Your logic is so warped. If I say bullying is wrong, you cannot reasonably say I am pro-bullying. That is stupid. You refuse to acknowledge that "ALL bullying is wrong" includes gay related bullying.
The idea grows from a young age, it starts at a very young age and develops, If all through primary school they learnt that same sex ad opposite sex marriage were BOTH ok then they wouldn't be raised thinking one is "repulsive, an abomonation, disgusting" then derogatory term such as "poof or faggot" would die with the other ideas. I can understand what you are trying to say, but I simply can't agree, because I see my idea as beneficial, where I see your idea as the way things are already.
and from such a younge age, too. You know, not only should the children be educated in this, I think the adult community should be too - And that they should support education on homosexuality in schools.
this is just a scare tactic video by the pro communism group
all man is created equal
question 1 is in no way keeping that
idaman12345 2 years ago
@idaman12345
If you had kids and they were being taught how to swing swords or munch carpet in class, you would be singing a different tune.
ma7799 1 year ago
@ma7799 and if you knew what the hell was actually is going on then you'd be singing a different tune
They aren't teaching kids to be gay
Just to tolerate them
idaman12345 1 year ago
All programs in our public schools, which discuss homosexual behavior ought to be removed.
There is no proof, whatsoever, that homosexual "behavior" is innate/genetic. Even the American Psychological Association (APA), the political champion of homosexual behavior has finally conceded that fact, in its latest pamphlet, on the subject.
Google: APA's New Pamphlet on Homosexuality De-emphasizes the Biological Argument, Supports a Client's Right to Self-Determination
1000Patriot 2 years ago
how can you call me a bigot because i disagree with you maybe you are bigot against the hetorosexual keep your perversion to yourself . repent. sunday worship is the mark of the beast remnantofgoddotorg
Ryan7477 2 years ago
I'm voting Yes in my mind.
Thisisnotmyrealname8 2 years ago
Why WOULDN'T parents want their kids to know about gay marriage. I think it good to let children know at a young age that there are people who may be different than the traditional "mommy and daddy." The younger they know, the more accustomed and nonjudgmental they are as they grow up.
ajszalla 2 years ago
Kevin Jennings plan is to promote homsexuality in schools and expand the gay population. His agenda is much more than talking about gay marriage. Do not be naive. He gives fisting workshop to 14 years old behind their parents back
voteyesonquestion1 2 years ago
I'm stuck on "expanding the gay population." Obviously, your reasoning of people being gay is a choice. However, that is NOT true, so the gay population will remain the same.
ajszalla 2 years ago
A friend of mine is bisexual but her twin sister is lesbian. She is a PhD Psychologist and has done extensive research on the "Nature vs Nurture" issue and to date, she believes there is not enough reliable data available to make an Emperical conclusion. Much of the research is skewed or contaminated, coming from studies that are biased to a particular view. To say, without evidence, that something is NOT true is irresponsible and misleading & doesn't contribute to the validity of the issue.
vgninga10 2 years ago
Thanks for the information. Did you frind twin sister publish anything about her conclusion
voteyesonquestion1 2 years ago
Her twin is a veterinarian and has no interest in the controversy.I believe, based on observations and comments during social events, her sister ascribes to Nature over the Nurture hypothesis; however, I can't say for sure as she and I never discussed her point of view. Thank you for a respectful discourse.
vgninga10 2 years ago
it is a choice
Ryan7477 2 years ago
I'm proof right here that it's not a choice. Seriously, turn your mental mindset to 2010, not 1920.
ajszalla 2 years ago
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@ajszalla
What does that have the do with it?
ma7799 1 year ago
@ajszalla
It is systematic plan to expand the population of homos and activists, from school education to adoption. if two guys or girls adopt a kid, there is a damn good chance the kid will turn out gay. Even if it doesn't, they have another activist to picket in the streets.
ma7799 1 year ago
@ma7799 Are you be serious right now? People are attracted to same sex because it's the way they are born, not because of what they're around. Even if one is confused growing up, that's a natural part of finding yourself. I'm a gay male raised by two hetero-parents. How do you explain that?
ajszalla 1 year ago
And maybe I'm just missing something, but since when is Jennings being brought up in this video?
ajszalla 2 years ago
Having raised two boys who have a gay uncle, I can say without hesitation that school is NOT the place to teach about marriage. They don't "teach" about heterosexual marriage so why homosexual marriage? School is not the venue for such matters.
vgninga10 2 years ago
@ajszalla "queering children before they know better is the agenda of gay activists".
Homosexuality is the new state religion that is forced upon parents and their children in state schools. Garriage is the opposite of marriage. It is good to have judgement and clarity. Manipulating chidren with hiding the reality of the gay lifestyle is wrong
voteyesonquestion1 1 year ago
in second grade, kids aren't really taught about family life so if they're gonna teach homosexual marriage (which i don't approve of) can they at least wait!?
xxoRebel 2 years ago
The approval of homosexual marriage certainly does affects our children in public schools.
Google: How same-sex "marriage" affects Massachusetts
It's worth taking some time to peruse the articles on that massresistance . org website and the Americans for Truth website.
PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS WILL BE HORRIFIED.
1000Patriot 2 years ago
Everyone needs to know the truth about the Worthlins, in this commercial. They were a Mormon couple who moved to a particular Mass school district in order to stir up trouble. They'd heard about kids learning about two dads in school. They went there to cause trouble. They sued and LOST their case. They were the "poster" children for frightened parents in CA and ME commercials. The problem is, it was all a set-up. The Mormons knew exactly what they were doing...
lisztnut 2 years ago
This video is SICK... too all the gay parents should they want their kids to only learn about other gay couples???? What ever happened to respect and love for all walks of life? living and let living? Treating others how you want to be treated? FREEDOM? ETC
JoeyBoya 2 years ago
What's sweet about Prop 8 in CA is that the fears of these people turned into REALITY, and it was their OWN making. After Prop 8 passed several school districts voted to have "diversity" training where kids learned about families with same sex parents. AND, children may NOT opt out of it! You reap what you sew! And, it will be even more sweet when the US Supreme Courts invalidates ALL Constitutional bans because of Prop 8! Can't wait! Thank you Prop 8!
lisztnut 2 years ago
lisznut, you should be a fiction story teller or you should get a job at MSNBC
voteyesonquestion1 2 years ago
Voteyesonquestion1, are you going to watch the Federal court case to overturn Prop 8 next week? Is it any surprise that supporters of your side of this argument, are totally against having the proceedings made public? Wonder why that is? It wouldn't happen to have anything to do with the fact that people against gay marraige are out and out bigots, would it? I guess you guys fear being seen without your KKK hoods on... What are you afraid of?
lisztnut 2 years ago
@voteyesonquestion1
...if he doesn't die of AIDS.....
ma7799 1 year ago
So I guess Question 1 got passed, granted it wasn't by a huge margin but I still feel ashamed to live in Maine.
D3c1m80r 2 years ago
Yes, Same-Sex Marriage SHOULD and WILL be taught in the schools, because the Pro-Life and Pro-Family Movements forced the issue of teaching marriage in the schools in the first place by demanding abstinence-only curricula in lieu of sex education and sexual responsibility education. Kids everywhere need to know that being gay is a condition just as equally acceptable as being straight - before they learn and acknowledge which condition they posses, usually when they reach puberty.
EdM021 2 years ago
and as far as the "how do I explain to my kids about 2 men getting married?" bullshit: 1- the school is explaining so you don't have to, 2- they will need an explanation one way or another since they will undoubtedly be exposed to the concept by the media or *gasp* classmates with gay parents or relatives, and 3- it only seems odd to children raised to believe it's odd. if your kids end up confused it's only because you made them that way
loomingmadness 2 years ago
Yeah, gotta make sure the gay children feel like they're wrong and don't realize that they could one day marry who they want to. For that matter, gotta keep all kids as ignorant of the world around them as possible, gay or not. You people are bigots, deny it all you like. "Oh, homosexuality is fine as long as my children aren't gay and will never be taught anything gay." I hope your children turn out queer as a $7 bill and that you hypocrites don't get to have biological grandchildren.
loomingmadness 2 years ago
Hey Maine! Real compassionate state you've got there!
deviousxen 2 years ago
This tactic backfired in California. There are some school districts that have now instituted MANDATORY gay-positive classes that students may NOT opt out of as a result of Prop 8. All I have to say is you reap what you sew. Call it karma...call it self fulfilling prophecy... I call it long OVERDUE. And, it's really the parents that need the training not the kids.
Google: Alameda school board adopts respect-gays class in wake of Prop 8...
lisztnut 2 years ago
haha awesome commercial
gigaboo254 2 years ago
do the right thing, vote YES on 1.
gerinja 2 years ago
looks like the good decent ( and typically very liberal) people of main decided that a marraige is between one man and one woman
utubecenseorstruth 2 years ago
What a pile
mentoro 2 years ago
a similar commercial ran in California for Prop 8...that was also loaded with lies and misinformation.
Hollywoodsteve 2 years ago
Another fabulous, steaming pile of shit from NOM...just in time for the election...
rodgierad 2 years ago
Vote NO on 1 and end discrimination.
cmdrkoenig67 2 years ago
hey if you give me 1 million dollars.. u get my vote
luxuarylifestyle 2 years ago
Gay marriage will never pass..... To many Lord fearing people here......
twotonetom98 2 years ago
Unfortunately, you might be right about it never passing at the ballot box, and that's why the Supreme Court will eventually decide in favor of gay marriage. Mark my words. This was true of every other important civil rights issue, and will be the same with gay marriage. The courts SHOULD decide issues like this, because the ignorant (and religiously bigoted) public usually gets it wrong. 70 percent of Americans were against interracial marriage when the ban was lifted by SCOTUS.
lisztnut 2 years ago
so people dont have a right to vote on what they think? If people were voting it ok then people woudl be rejoicing. it is a state issue not a court issue
utubecenseorstruth 2 years ago
Yes, that's absolutely right. People should NOT have the right to vote on civil rights issues, otherwise the minority always loses. Is that fair? Where would school integration be without the courts? What about women's right to vote? What about slavery? If it were up for a vote, I think there's a good chance slavery would return to states in the South (seriously). So, I absolutely think voting on gay marriage is WRONG. It should be left to courts and legislatures. End of story.
lisztnut 2 years ago
you fucking homophobes calm down you fuckers
SuperTofu93 2 years ago
That is the dumbest thing I think i have ever heard!
I think its great they're teaching children to be open minded! If you don't like it then home school you kids... and shut the hell up!
powers24 2 years ago
Sexual orientation is formed well before a child ever goes to school. it is NOT learned "behavior." It might take puberty to figure one's orientation out, but it is not determined late in life. So, it stands to reason that if five to twenty percent of the population is gay, then those gay children deserve the right to learn that one day they too can have a satisfying adult partnership. You can DENY that gays exist all you want, but we won't go away...
lisztnut 2 years ago
Oh, and the Wirthlins, in this commercial, are Mormons who moved to a Massachussets school district PRECISELY to stir up trouble. They wanted to bring a lawsuit. They LOST their lawsuit, and now they are poster children for the Mormon crusade against gays. How disgusting... Their child is a pawn. What if HE turns out to be gay?
lisztnut 2 years ago
Oh, I almost forgot, they're also talking about adoption. Adoption exists with or without marriage. Marriage is not a requirement for adoption. So, what's the connection? But, my absolute favorite is the California doctor who refused fertility treatment to a lesbian because of her religious prejudices. WHAT THE HELL does fertility treatment have to do with marriage? That one is the most mysterious of all....! They've got no argument against TWO people signing a LEGAL contract...
lisztnut 2 years ago
Can someone PLEASE explain to me what the legal contract between two adults has to do with teaching in schools? Is there ANY relationship AT ALL? This was all made up by a black man in California before Prop 8. The Prop 8 people had never even thought to use schools as an issue. Guess what? The idiotic voters of our state bought it. Whatever works. If you can't stick to the ISSUE, which is TWO ADULTS in a LEGAL contract, then smokescreen with something unrelated. How clever...
lisztnut 2 years ago
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mrmooooglle 2 years ago
I don't see any problem with teaching 2nd graders about gay marriage, does it instantly turn them into homosexuals?
FreakyDDR 2 years ago
The teacher in the ad is from a private catholic school. Shame on her for promoting irrational fear and mistruths (homophobia) to the public. Her God would not approve.
beegbolt 2 years ago
According to you teachers in private institutions do not care about children in Maine.
That is irrational .
voteyesonquestion1 2 years ago
to the contrary, she SHOULD care about children in Maine. But she clearly is more concerned with her beliefs and fact-less opinions than she is with childrens welfare. Otherwise, she would not promote irrational fear and misleading "facts" to the public.
PLmoms 2 years ago
Parents that have a fear of their kids learning about "undesirable" truths, should enroll them in private religious schools. This teacher is not in public school, and has no idea what she is preaching in this Ad. All Maine families should be respected and learned about, including in school. VOTE NO ON 1 !!
beegbolt 2 years ago
I live in Mass...this is UNTRUE. Gay marriage will not be taught in schools and gay marriage will not affect your heterosexual marriage. Gays want their marriage, hey don't want to take away the religious part of your heterosexual marriage. Vote no on 1...and show the ret of the world that America isn't just a closed minded Christian nation anymore...that you can be Christian and accepting together...Jesus would want that and its what our consititution says: every man is equal
mrmooooglle 2 years ago
What is funny about this commercial is that they do not teach any sort of marriage in schools. They only teach sexual education as it relates to the reproductive process. Not to mention the people in that commercial were staged, and they were paid by the committee against it, to say those things. Funny how money talks and uneducated people still rant. Shame shame.
I didnt even know what a homosexual was till high school, and I was kissin girls in 3rd grade! What does that tell you!?
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stjimmy933499399493 2 years ago
Also, you know what I think is awesome? How the guy (or girl) in charge of this "voteyesonquestion1" account can't type very well, deletes or ignores comments, and is making up numbers even though we are on the internet and can easily fact check at a moment's notice.
It makes me laugh, and reminds me that, while not all supporters of a cause are stupid, the loudest usually are. That, or they're desperate... and I can't think of any good reason for anyone to be desperate to ban gay marriage.
gnorralicious 2 years ago
Why is this ad the EXACT SAME AD that I saw run so many times over here in California? And why is it still SO BAD?
The people are annoying, the message is both mean-spirited and (honestly) pretty stupid, and oh my God do not even get me started on what they are wearing. They could use a little more exposure to LGBT people, both to learn more about accepting and even liking other humans, and to learn more about wearing the right clothes for their bodies.
Basically, this whole thing sucks.
gnorralicious 2 years ago
Oh yes...Protect you children from the gays...But wait, what if they ARE gay, what if their parents are gay, what if they have gay friends, gay teachers, gay janitors, gay bus drivers, gay principals?
cmdrkoenig67 2 years ago
HAHAHA I live near Ellsworth...the school department actually made a press release saying that the curriculum will NOT be changed because of this bill. This is about civil rights, same as any minority needs equal rights. This is no "special interest group", this is a major part of the population that was born predisposed to like the same gender.
bvsteel 2 years ago
Susan Gendron, Maine commissioner of education has many plans to bring homosexuality in middle and high schools. You need to reed the LGBTQ youth commission reports that she support and which was crafted by Maine Equality, the MCLU and Maine education department. Since they are 2.8% people who are gays and only 5% are even interested in marriage, only 1000 couples demand the right to redefine the marriage of the society. It is absurd
voteyesonquestion1 2 years ago
The AG of Maine even said that it question one has no impact on the school curriculum.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
Janet Mills refued to sign and guarantee that it would not have any impact. Her own asst Thom Harnett was involve in creating the LGBTQ agenda in school. Gov Baldacci, Susan Gendron, Janet Mills work together in deceiving the people. That will have little effect. The truth is coming out. The curriculum is the false trap. They are coming through the bacl door after the kids.
voteyesonquestion1 2 years ago
what is absurd is your numbers. Clearly you make them up, because I have asked you sources before and you never provide them.
PLmoms 2 years ago
Absolutely! How dare those hetero-facists try to claim that they have a monopoly on--
Oh wait. You're one of them. Again, my bad. Maybe you should come out of the closet and admit to being just another homophobe. That way no one confuses you with an honest, decent, caring human being. Clearly you're a spiteful, deceitful, and morally bankrupt human being. You claim to be otherwise despite constantly contradicting that.
FrostbittenWolf 2 years ago
Massachsetts has had gay marriage and has fewer divorces. Heterosexual marriages is alive and well there.
The ad features a couple from Massachusetts. Heidi Guarino, chief of staff for the Mass. Department of Elementary and Secondary Education, said she had not heard complaints from parents echoing the concerns of the Wirthlins.
The ad also features Charla Bansley, an English teacher at a private Christian school, identified in the commercial as a teacher from Ellsworth.
jimbojim68 2 years ago
Marriages as well as divorces have declined all over the country. The average age for marriage in Mass is now 30 years old. If you compare ethnicity, income, race, etc.. you cannot make you claim especially if you look at a 20 years history. Only 5% of gays get married and gays are 2.8% of the population. Gay marriage is realy a ponzi scheme of the first order.
voteyesonquestion1 2 years ago
Divorces are down because marriage is down. The institution is dying and gay people want to fix it.
The fact that nationally divorces are down has nothing to do with Massachusetts leading the way.
Studies have found at least 4% of the U.S. population is gay. It's probably higher, but I love how you know the exact number yourself. 12% is black and 2-5% have red hair, should we let them marry?
jimbojim68 2 years ago
Only 5% marry? You made that up. But through September 2008, there had been 12,167 same-sex marriages in Massachusetts, out of 170,209 marriages in all. That's 7% of the total population. If that's only 5% of the gays in the state then, if all gays married, they would number over 100% of the people in the state! Wouldn't that be both amazing and impossible?
jimbojim68 2 years ago
You need to deduct the out of state couples. The first year, they wer over 5000 same sex marriage. Now it is already down to 1000, out of over 36000. It is just over 2%. So your #s are not correct or misleading.
voteyesonquestion1 2 years ago
11,000 gay and lesbian couples have exchanged vows in the state as of November 2008. Six months after May 17, 2004, when Massachusetts began issuing marriage licenses for gay and lesbian couples, an estimated 6,100 same-sex couples married. Gay marriage rates leveled off at about 1,500 a year - about 4 percent of all state marriages - in 2006 and 2007. Assuming 2.3% of men and 1.3% of women in Massachusetts (based on one national estimate) are gay, 16.7% of homosexuals married.
jimbojim68 2 years ago
Lambad legal use 2..8% when they go to court. It is no my #. Kevin Jennings wants to grow the population. That is why, he wants to go after the kids early.
In scandinavia, marriage is down to 41%. Gay marriage made it worse.
voteyesonquestion1 2 years ago
In Scandanavia, heterosexuals don't believe in God. It has nothing to do with gays. Nice straw man argument though. The fact that you think gays are so evil and can make kids gay, and even would want to, shows how hateful you are. Why not just admit it and quit talking about the low numbers that exist. Who cares how many there are. If there were 3, they should have the same rights. Just quit making figures up and say you think they're all pervs.
jimbojim68 2 years ago
It is cool and funny because that incident happened at a private school.
cupcakekitenprincess 2 years ago
Militant. I removed your hateful comment
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brendan71488 2 years ago
why cant we just have democracy in action and let the voters decide. Isnt that what our system is based off of.
utubecenseorstruth 2 years ago
Hmm I wonder how long it would have taken us to do that for immigrants, women, or black people. The rights of a minority should never be left to a vote.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
look up crime statistics since the hight of the civil rights movement and your point can be refuted. I do see your point but when democrats always want to rob the working people to give to the lazy they are letting the majority ( lazy) dictate to the majority (hardworking). Even election time they get elected that is what they do. actually when negroes got their rights a good amount possibly a majority of whites thought it was time
utubecenseorstruth 2 years ago
This comment does not make any sense, and I don't know what this has to do with gay marriage or voting on the rights of a minority.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
someone said that rights of the minority should not be set by the majority. I pointed out that since the civil rifhts movement is often used by the gays that once the civil rights movement hit pay dirt in the laste 1960s people just were happy to leave well enough alone and the crime rates have gone up in this country. Had majority ruled the country would probably be better off. I hate to say that but the statistics show it
utubecenseorstruth 2 years ago
Unfortunately your belief that we should have never given people their freedom is really a disgusting outlook on life.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
I never said people should not have been given freedom. I said look at what happened since then then. Crime statistics are facts. I actually blame it on slavery in the first place. Also the majority did decide that it was time in the case of blacks to get rights look at the votes in the civil rights act. Some southerners even voted for it.
utubecenseorstruth 2 years ago
Umm...interracial marriage was struck down by a Supreme Court case. Loving v. Virginia.
While you are right in the fact that the 13th Amendment was passed by Congress, the fact that interracial marriage was decided by a court and not by a vote.
coolthomas2011 2 years ago
@coolthomas2011
what does have to do with two lesbos or two homos?
ma7799 1 year ago
wtf! are u serious gay marriage is the same dam thing as str8 marriage whats wrong with two people loving each other
nightsky13579 2 years ago
I can't believe this ad is for real. So what if a 2nd grade kid learned that boys can marry other boys - that isn't going to make him gay. At that age, kids don't even understand about sex - they should understand marriage as being adults loving each other. I think it is a great thing if small children are taught from a young age that homosexuality is acceptable and normal - and hopefully in a few years we will see the death of the ugly prejudice and homophobia that is shown in this advert.
xtwistedxdreamx 2 years ago
Denalaurens, I removed you comment because of fowl language. we are not your toilet
voteyesonquestion1 2 years ago
Denalaurens, I removed your comment because of hate speech
voteyesonquestion1 2 years ago
You should try to point out any hate speech I have written, as I have not posted any and why have you singled me out? Do you disagree with my stance that 2nd graders should not be indoctrinated? Who have I hated on? Please don't say gay people, because I'm a lesbian, but if I am to be accused of something, please point it out to me.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Oh, and you were the one who said, "What 2nd grader is going to even know about romance." I merely pointed out the grievous error in your assumption.
Seriously, educate yourself before speaking.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
You haven't pointed anything out to me since all of your postes are ladened with faulty logic and suppositions.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Really? Can you do a lovely side by side comparison like I did of my faulty logic and suppositions? Can you reference doctoral studies like Peter Bearman and Hannah Bruckner study "After the Promise: STD Consequences of Adolescent Virginity Pledges?" Can you reference news stories like "Texas Teaches Abstinence, with mixed Grades?"
Yeah, you've failed spectacularly.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
I can point to two comparisons that you have not thought of. Common knowledge and common sense. As for 'studies' I prefer common sense to someone else's viewpoint. So, no, I didn't fail, I'm still standing. And I can see over you.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Really? In other words you can't deal with reality, and instead prefer the magical land of My Little Ponies. You have a delusional mind and are terrified of the real world. Which is why you are so consistently wrong.
Grow up.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
I can't deal with reality? I'm more grown than you would ever hope to be. You are delusional if you prefer to show 2nd graders porn than a story book which helps them learn reading skills at their level. And you call me pro-bullying when all of your posts ARE bully tactics, hypocrite. You don't understand anything that is reasonable and have not given one reasonable arguement of fact or logic. I believe your posts are designed to intimidate for the hell of it. You want to be a shock-jockette?LOL
denalaurens 2 years ago
Oh look, you are lying again. I'll wait for those quotes to prove you are in any way honest.
Really? Because I'm well educated, citing my sources, using logic and reason, and not engaging in hyperbolic claims divorced from reality, I'm bullying?
Really? Then why am I the only one listing sources? Why is that? Pretty much destroys your "fact" line, as well as your "logic" claim.
Seriously, educate yourself before you meddle with children's education.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
I don't give a rip if you are a Dean, you lack common sense. I don't care about sources, I care about sense and you have a strong lack on the subject. I would hope you don't meddle with other peoples' children, period, since you would be a very bad influence on their mental and emotional well-being. Liberals are like spoiled brats who try to turn the fan back on those whom they rebel against. What you have been trying with me. Go hug a tree and split. I'm through with your idiocy. YOU ARE SPAM.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Hehehehe, "lack common sense" which is code for "using facts that I don't like."
Please educate yourself.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
And btw, for a teacher to tell a child that homosexual marriage is ok, is indoctrination. The parents may feel otherwise and don't want the school to indoctrinate or brainwash their child. If indoctrination was permited, then even pedophile teachers could tell children it's ok for them to be touched by adults. Try reading THOSE headlines where teachers have sex with their students. Is that ok with you too?
denalaurens 2 years ago
And btw, that's not what happened at all. As was determined in court.
The parents can feel anyway they want. Good for them.
Really? Care to provide me a single instance of a teacher telling a class of students it is okay for them to be touched by adults? Go on. I'm waiting.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
YOU are saying children should be told it's ok. And for teachers telling kids it's ok for adults to touch them, they not only say it's ok, they are SHOWING them by having pedophilia sex with them. Google the cases. Male and female teachers all over the nation being arrested. Your wait is over.
denalaurens 2 years ago
No, I didn't. Please quote me to show you are not lying.
Look at how ridiculous and hysterical you are. You are attempting to compare simple lessons on diversity with pedophilia. Which is delusional thinking enough. Then because you know it is a completely irrational comparison, you do not answer my question at all (which is as close to rational on this deranged train as it is possible to find) and instead act even more crazed.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
Hysteria? Is that supposed to be some reverse psychology you're playing with? I'm calmly sitting here laughing at your idiocy. Lessons in diversity...Hmmm, lessons on gay marriage, which doesn't belong in schools, is moot. They're not lessons. I'm not saying gays are pedophiles, but you advocate teaching indoctrinations and there lies the similarities. Both would be indoctrination, an undue influence. It's not my problem you can't understand intelligent reasoning. Get some more life and reason.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Yes, yes you are. And no, people who are calm don't randomly capitalize letters and make ludicrous comparisons like you have been.
Oh, look, you are lying... again. I count seven lies in this paragraph!
But then again, you don't have a rational place to stand.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
You know what I think appropriate sex ed in school would include? It would include discussion of the risks and various sex acts. It would demonstrate the use of contraception and discuss the pros and cons of each. It would teach the value of abstinence.
It would NOT teach HOW or why to perform any sex act. Kids easily figure that out thus it's unnecessary and could almost encourage kids to have sex.
At what age would you teach the above? At what age do kids start having sex?
Permaglo 2 years ago
What?!!? Talk to 7 year olds about sex acts and contraceptives? This video is about 2nd graders. You think it's ok for little children to be exposed to sex acts and what? Encourage them to have sex? You are one sick perv. I am finished with you.
denalaurens 2 years ago
What in hell are you talking about? Did you read and/or understand anything I wrote? I never said anything about 7 year olds. Do 7 year olds have sex? I certainly hope not! Sex ed should start when, on average, kids start actually having sex.
Just so we're clear, my post should have read risks OF various sex acts.
Permaglo 2 years ago
I personally think relationships past friendship shouldn't be taught in school at all. It would remove the argument and leave it up to family to teach about this sort of thing. Schools have no business teaching such highly opinionated things as required material.
JaysonSR 2 years ago
Brainwashing children? oh sweety your a little fucking late lmao! People have been brainwashed all their lives. The reason for the acknowladgement of gay people amd marriage at a younger age, is so that gay children don't grow up being fucking tormented, and bullies and put down.. The people in this ad should be ashamed they are trying to stop something that coul potentually save alot of lives. You know, it's the childrens choice who they love, but they should know that all love is equal.
happybirthdayamelia 2 years ago
They're too young to comprehend in 2nd grade, you fucking idiot. I'm a lesbian and I agree with the parents. I'm not one of you sick pervs who want to cram sexuality down children's throats. Get some intelligence and stop pushing your stupid agenda on kids. YOU should be ashamed, sick ass. And save lives?!? WTF!? Get real. THESE ARE KIDS!!
denalaurens 2 years ago
Do you know how cruel kids can be? They grow up all their lives, from what, 2nd grade maybe? Being told that gay is wrong, by their parents, their friends, and even subconsiously. ALL the schools are trying to do is to build some type of understanding with the children and raise them with compassion towards their fellow students, gay or not. You know it's kind of pathetic that you would accuse me of being sick when there are homophobic parents out there that beat their children for being gay.
happybirthdayamelia 2 years ago
You can't even think logically. Kids that young lack the maturity to understand concepts that are for older folks. Hell, YOU are a kid yourself. If a parent feels being gay is wrong, that is none of your business, but is their right. I myself know it is against God. Pathetic libs like you are heterophobes. COMPASSION FOR ALL PEOPLE should be taught, yes, but no group should be singled out specifically. ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. If schools taught the constitution more, kids would know that.
denalaurens 2 years ago
You want to show who beat their kids for being gay? Loser? Schools don't raise children. Parents do. Parents don't have to support the gay agenda if it's against their beliefs, you fucking moron. Get real. Parents have a right to remove their children from any school that promotes this agenda. Just because you are gay, you want everyone to be, even at 8 years old. How pathetic you are, scum.
denalaurens 2 years ago
What? ok, wow. Slow down. Not only are you falsy accusing me of being an extrimist, but you are saying I want everyone to be gay? You yourself know it is against god? and don't use my age to back up your argument, because I don't acknowladge that bullshit =) You are the one acting you a 10 year old, hurling your derelict vocabulary at me. You don't understnd the situation, obviously. Open your eyes, you silly girl. If homosexuality is introduced at a young age, the children will be more likely
happybirthdayamelia 2 years ago
Romantic relationships have nothing to do with children, therefore, they're too young to mentally process it. on't you understand yet? What you are advocating is indoctrinating children how they should think about an issue. Not only is that morally wrong, it is illegal for schools to indoctrinate. And your vocabulary is no better than mine. NOBODY has to accept the gay lifestyle. If it is against their beliefs, you have no right to assume they should. No difference in whether you're gay or bi.
denalaurens 2 years ago
The same people who complain about "indoctrination" of kids by gays are the same ones that advocate prayer and Bibles in schools. How is it wrong to teach kids that there's nothing wrong with being gay but it is ok for school officials to teach religion?
You're right, nobody has to accept gays, except our government. Our government has an obligation offer everyone equal protection under the law. Denying gays marriage does not gel with that obligation.
Permaglo 2 years ago
If parents don't want their children to be taught what is reserved for parents to talk to them about, then parents have that right. Children have no mature concept of romance, period. Their minds, like their bodies are not mature. Our founding fathers advocated prayers and bibles in school and is different than sex and romance. Prayer and the bible teaches discipline and love for all people, so the subject of intolerance of gays is moot. Doesn't mean they have to accept that it is ok.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Children have a concept of family, and why shouldn't they be taught that the family of their classmate Suzy who has two dads is no more or no less valuable than any other family?
When you teach Christianity in schools you then open up to the teaching of other world religions. Do you want your son or daughter being taught about Islam or having the Principal offer up a Muslim prayer in the morning?
Permaglo 2 years ago
You're presuming that billy gives a rip about suzy's 2 dads. Kids know their own family environment. It goes back to the concept of teaching kids to be good to each other, not just kids of gays. islam is taught in schols, not Christianity, and is probably why some grow up hostile. The quaran is in text books. islam is not a religion, but a book on killing non-islam worshippers. islam is an ideology. Children in 2nd grade would not understand high school math, so why think they'd understand gay?
denalaurens 2 years ago
Kids like to tease and harass people they perceive as different than they are. If they understand that gay couples really aren't that different they're less likely to have a problem with a classmate who has 2 dads, or a classmate that turns out to be gay himself.
Children understand more than you think. They certainly understand love and hate. It's up to us to teach them the right one.
Permaglo 2 years ago
Some kids bully because they are abused at home. Some bully to show off. But to say they bully because of anything having to do with being gay is absurd, since they bully kids of straights too. You are presuming again that kids might bully a classmate at a later time. That bridge should be crossed when they come to it, when they can perceive things better. But again, it's not the teachers' place to talk about those things. It's the parents' place when the child is old enough to understand.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Yes. We should only deal with an issue after the child commits suicide due to anti-gay bullying... oh wait they are.
So why, exactly, are you pro-bullying?
thanatos101b 2 years ago
You are creating a scenario that does not exist in 2nd grade. What 2nd grader is going to even know about romance, whether hetero or gay romance? You are trying to justify homosexuality using children as tools to do so and that's pathetic. To say I am pro bullying is another creation of yours called strawman arguement and I don't rise to those baiting tactics.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Really? So no 2nd Grader knows the story Cinderella? Sleeping Beauty? Snow White? The Little Mermaid? It seems to me that you haven't thought this through.
And no, it isn't a strawman. See by the fifth grade kids are hanging themselves over anti-gay bullying. Look up Jaheem Herrera. That is real. That is what is really going on. By refusing to deal with that issue, by actively impeding efforts to rectify those situations, you are decidedly pro-bullying.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
Furthermore, you're wrong in that our government has to accept gays. Personal preference concerning who we want to be with is not the government's business and it would be unconstitutional for the Govt. to decide, thus, overstepping their limited power. That is called encroachment. All of the laws discriminating on the basis of race, national origin, sex, creed, familiar status or handicap are not personal preferences, therefore is constitutionally protected.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Being gay is not a "personal preference," it's a sexual orientation that no one I know chose. I've never figured out why someone would think that someone would choose to have to deal with all the B.S. society heaps on gays.
Permaglo 2 years ago
Strawman. Being gay is a choice because we choose to do it. Smoking is addictive. But we can choose to stop it, though we'd be pissed at first. Look at the gay society ripping into straights who don't agree with the lifestyle. How we are as we grow older is not determined at birth, so that theory of 'born that way' is a lie. We're not born straight or gay. Those are emotional factors, not biological. So being gay is a preference that was oriented by our emotional curiosity then adoption of it
denalaurens 2 years ago
People choose to have that first cigarette, I didn't choose to be attracted to that person of the same sex. And sure I could repress my sexuality and be celibate, but I would still be gay and attracted to men. But why should I have to? Why should I be denied the joy and benefits of a committed relationship?
What do you think the "gay lifestyle" is?
Permaglo 2 years ago
Something in your mind triggered that attraction. You had to have been curious at first. Like all of us, you acted on it and odopted it, then adapted to it. We like it. It's taboo. I repented to god at one time and asked Him to come into my heart and clean me up. I wanted to serve Him. I went on my knees one person and came up another. I didn't want a cig., didn't want anyone and I lived for Him for awhile, but I let satan compel me back into sin and all my habits followed. So it's a choice.
denalaurens 2 years ago
How come we never question was causes someone's heterosexuality? What in your mind triggered your heterosexuality?
I have been drawn to men long before I thought about sex. When I was a kid I would look at an attractive guy and say I wanted to "be him." Later on I realized I wanted to be WITH him. I have never looked at a girl and wanted to be WITH her.
Are you really comparing smoking with being gay?
Permaglo 2 years ago
Yes, and that something was entirely biological in nature.
Sorry, but that's what Alcoholics Anonymous calls being a, "Dry Drunk." And it in no way is analogous to being gay.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
Biology has nothing to do with our emotional functions. Who we want to be with is an emotional issue, having nothing to do with cells, chromosomes, etc., so your logic is flawed. AA has nothing to do with biology either. Addiction is a psychological problem as well.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Wait, so our brains are not biological? That's an... interesting take.
The gender we want to be with is a product of the interaction between genes and prenatal hormones.
Oh, and addiction is very much a biological problem, with underlying psychology.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
Our brains are biological. Our thoughts and emotions are not. Bullshit, genes don't determine who you want for a mate. Otherwise, those who are happily straight then at times just want a little fun from the same sex disproves that theory. It's psychological and emotional.
denalaurens 2 years ago
You really need to educate yourself. I can walk into any lab in the country, inject a few hormones into any person you like and they will feel whatever emotion I want.
And yes, they do... in conjunction with prenatal hormones. Oh, and I love the attempt to use bisexuality as evidence of your point. Seriously, learn.
It isn't.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
To accept it, and not judge people for the way they are. I never once said I want everyone to be gay, and I am NOT gay, I am a bisexual. This is a disagreement, no need to get bitter. Watch your language.
happybirthdayamelia 2 years ago
You use alot of 'maybes' or 'possiblies' but children cannot mentally process romantic relationships that young. Don't assume adults should tell their children to give special attention to gays or bis, because a child should be taught not to behave innapropriately or against ANYONE, not just gays. Grow up some more.
denalaurens 2 years ago
You obviously are perfect. Grown up sheltered from the media, you have never been taught something from a younge age, like language for example? or counting? If equality was taught at a young age, there would be a dramatic increase in understand and a dramatic decrease in bullying, ergo a dramatic decrease in gay teen suicide. Don't you see how it all links together? Perhaps you are too simple minded to understand.
happybirthdayamelia 2 years ago
Language and counting are ACADEMICS. and THAT is the only thing schools are supposed to teach children. Equality for all is in the constitution and if schools taught that more there would be no need to separate gays from straights on the subject. Have you ever heard of a 2nd grader comitting suicide over being 'gay'? No, because 2nd graders have not developed emotionally for such subjects. Bullying has always been a problem not just for kids of gays, but because kids bully for any reason. Idiot.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Love the name-calling. Speaks to your maturity.
If you've got a problem with what they teach in schools then address the school system. Don't take away people's rights to solve your "problem." Although I'm guessing you never had a problem when the schools taught heterosexual sex and marriage.
Permaglo 2 years ago
Where did I call you a name? If you're referring to 'strawman' that was referring to strawman arguement. Anyway, I don't have any problems. And sex education is for the majority of students who will be heterosexual, but that is not taught in elementary schools and shouldn't be. Kids learn what they see and hear. It goes into their brains and is stored forever. As kids grow, more is learned and stored. It's how the info is processed and acted on that matters. And no the smoking and being gay.
denalaurens 2 years ago
I agree that sex ed shouldn't be in elementary schools. Sex ed should include everyone including gays, even if it's just a brief mention. Parental consent is required for a student to participate, so if the parents have a problem with its curriculum then they can opt out their child.
I learned as a kid that homosexuals were evil and sick and if you were one then you'd be hated by your friends and family. That didn't make me straight tho.
Oh, you called me an idiot.
Permaglo 2 years ago
Sex Ed shows the basic differences in males and females and a clinical descriptions of functions. Gay sex Ed is moot and unnecessary since people already know what genitalia they have. I agree people can be ignorant about gays.
denalaurens 2 years ago
That is a terrible Sex Ed program. In fact, that's Abstinence Only education. Which demonstrably leads to high rates of STDs, pregnancy, and children loosing their virginity at the youngest ages.
Which is why it is so wonderful that people are turning to comprehensive Sex Ed.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
Maybe you prefer they show porn instead. And again, you are so wrong and off base. They teach protection from diseases, but not in 2nd grade. Children losing virginity at an earlier age is partly due to what trhey watch on TV and adults, but again, 2nd graders have no comprehension on the subject.
denalaurens 2 years ago
I'd rather they show porn than give out bad/irrelevant information.
No, children loosing their virginity earlier is very much tied to Abstinence Only Education (as well as fundamentalism in Christianity.) It has nothing to do with TV. In fact the more worldly kids loose it later.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
"I'd rather they show porn than give out bad/irrelevant information." Really? You'd rather a 2nd grader watch porn than to be given, in your opinion, bad/irrelevant info? Talking sex to a 7 year old is bad, irrelavent and inappropriate. And don't spin the abstinence only ed. or Christianity. You have absolutely no idea about life or kids at all. You have a very loose and liberal mind. You should be wanting to protect kids rather than want to wish them to be little nymphs with your view.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Yes. Yes, I would.
And no, it isn't. A 7-year-old is old enough to ask questions, and thus old enough to be answered.
I'm not spinning, it is the truth. Look up "Red Sex, Blue Sex," I can provide more if you like.
And I very much do know about life and kids. Sorry, I don't believe protecting kids from reality is in any way helpful. And studies have pretty much shown I am right.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
You have no clue about the undeveloped mentalities and immaturities of children, which is what they are supposed to have at that age. They lack the intelligence and maturity to process such information. That is why they learn and progress year by year in schools. Try to give a 2nd grader a test in high school subjects and he or she can't figure it out because they are not ready for that much development that soon. If you pick an unripened fruit, what do you get? Your porno comment is disgusting.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Oh, I love this "supposed" to. In other words, let's not actually acknowledge the children, rather let's play a fanciful game of make believe about them. Sorry, but I would rather deal with real children than make believe ones.
And your continual advocacy of inherently awful ideas is the product of an irrational mind.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
I acknowledge that children are developed slowly, physcally, mentally and emotionally. That is nature. You disagree with nature? We are talking about real children, not cabbage patch kids. It is an awful idea to teach children it is ok to think about sex though it is the parents place. You do not even deal in real life. YOU are too immature to figure things out.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Yes, and?
Actually no, I'm talking about real children. You are talking about Cabbage Patch Kids, or did you not say, "they are supposed to have at that age." Key word, "supposed." When you say that, it is all about you, not all about the children. Very selfish of you.
Oh, and that is terrible thing to be against. That's where sexual dysfunction starts. Through your attempts at repression.
You have no grasp on reality... as so clearly evidenced here.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
Excuse me? I can't believe you are advocating misinforming and giving incomplete information to students. That goes against the most basic premise of education.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
Depends on the subject matter. Teaching academic info is what schools are about. Indoctrinating or telling a child how he or she SHOULD FEEL about something is brainwashing and is not part of a school's duty. That's not considered misinformation.
denalaurens 2 years ago
So, you don't think the schools have a responsibility to tell a child that he SHOULD FEEL bullying is wrong?
What an interesting world view you have.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
What are we talking about here? Bullying in general? Yes, they should learn, not just from schools, but parents, that bullying is wrong. But you want to confuse the issue by bringing sexual orientation into it which is moot with children that young. Bullying ANYBODY is wrong, should suffice to teach them.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Yep. You are pro-bullying. See, we know there is a problem with anti-gay bullying. You do not want to do anything about it.
That's why you are pro-bullying.
Oh, and explain how addressing that actual behavior going on is "confusing?"
thanatos101b 2 years ago
Try to wrap your mind around what I actually posted. And that is it's wrong to bully for ANY reason and that should be taught to children How is that pro-bullying? Because it doesn't split hairs unnecessarily by injecting gay bashing? There is no difference in bullying a gay person and bullying someone with freckles, for example. Both are equally wrong. It is the behavior of bullying for any reason that is wrong.
denalaurens 2 years ago
And yet all schools in the nation have that policy... and that policy has failed to prevent anti-gay bullying. Since you refuse to deal with what is actually happening, that makes you pro-bullying.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
Your logic is so warped. If I say bullying is wrong, you cannot reasonably say I am pro-bullying. That is stupid. You refuse to acknowledge that "ALL bullying is wrong" includes gay related bullying.
denalaurens 2 years ago
Actually yes I can. See anyone can say, "I'm not ___," doesn't mean they aren't.
If you are not trying to fix the current problem with bullying, or (as you've been) actively impeding those who are, then you are pro-bullying.
thanatos101b 2 years ago
The idea grows from a young age, it starts at a very young age and develops, If all through primary school they learnt that same sex ad opposite sex marriage were BOTH ok then they wouldn't be raised thinking one is "repulsive, an abomonation, disgusting" then derogatory term such as "poof or faggot" would die with the other ideas. I can understand what you are trying to say, but I simply can't agree, because I see my idea as beneficial, where I see your idea as the way things are already.
happybirthdayamelia 2 years ago
Wow, look at you, look at you having no clue what you are talking about.
So, schools are not supposed to teach history or literature or the arts or science? My, what a silly worldview.
No, but 5th graders commit suicide over anti-gay bullying. Why do you not wish to address that problem?
thanatos101b 2 years ago
and from such a younge age, too. You know, not only should the children be educated in this, I think the adult community should be too - And that they should support education on homosexuality in schools.
happybirthdayamelia 2 years ago
If straight marriage can be taught, why not gay. You are gay and you object equality? idiot.
happybirthdayamelia 2 years ago