Matt Chandler Rant Against Church Consumerism

[Sporthorsechic79]

I come from a very strict Roman Catholic household and 12 years of of Catholic School. Talk about learning nothing other than "The Traditions"! I have attended Matt's Church, The Village and find it very motivational. He doesn't always get so loud.. only when he feels extreme passion about a subject. He is a very easy person to talk to and makes everyone feel very welcome.

[JACKSCHEESYSMILE]

Luke 19:26-27 Praise Jesus

[tlofty82]

I am tired of hearing the Do not Judge defense. When it comes to other Christians who are not biblically sound. As a brother in Christ I am required to judge his teaching and to comfront on the matter

[definitiongrace]

@tlofty82 Technically they are perfectly right in the "do not judge" defense. However, judging someone is actually looking down upon them to uplift one's self. What Christians are supposed to do is test each other and ourselves. Testing of faith is 100% biblical (2nd Cor 13:5). See the Christian guidelines (Romans 12:9-21; Eph 4:17-32; Col 3:1-17). Testing is done out of love, a reproof, a correction of a person's faith. Do it in prayer, do it gently, beware pride. peace brother

[spitfiresr]

@tlofty82 I couldn't agree more. The bible does clearly state that many false prophets will arise at the end of times. You always have to ask questions.

[hunter7754]

@tlofty82

its not so much judging thats the problem but in the way Christians do it..

Also God tells us to judge, but we are NOT to judge other people

:)

[luv2playwu78]

I don't think that Matt is at ALL "hating" on the ones who have bought into the "comfortable, prosperous, peaceful, abundant" church...he is doing what he should be doing, which is exposing the deception that has taken these folks captive, and attempting to put eyesalve on their blindness. Long ago the Lord showed me that the church itself was "fornicating" and making babies (new converts, not disciples), and these were "soul" babies, not spiritual sons.

[QAJ37]

good thoughts at the very beginning of what the community should do and be...but his take of "Dallas Evangelicalism" i think is exaggerated...every church is consumer/market driven at some level even his...churches are driven by attempting to be a certain kind of church and reaching a certain kind of people with certain accoutrements, even his - Chandler is an accoutrement - popstar personality driven Reformed churches - please folks lets repent of hypocrisy

[WarriorOfTheKingdom9]

"I would like some fog! hahaha"



[bthompson912]

I've never heard of this man before just running into this video, but I don't even know what to say. I listened to three different sermons and all I heard was hate. I don't know how much further that can be from the love of Christ we are to represent. Please reply: this is serious, no wonder we have problems right here in America amongst Christians.  This is not the message Jesus came with.

[Carter1075]

@bthompson912 I've been to the kind of churches he's talking about. Its scary when trendiness and comfort take over. He isn't hating, he's keeping the Church on its toes. Its exactly the message Jesus came with. Matthew 10:34-39

[theCTCamp]

@bthompson912 It's not hate. He is just calling out the church in America like Paul called out the churches of his time. In this particular video he's saying that what churches (as a business style entity) in America are doing now is trying to please the congregation, which isn't what they are there for.

[FCO0710]

@bthompson912

Jesus held the church very accountable. Check out Matts upcoming book "The Explicit Gospel." He preaches the word of God every week. Also look up "Matt chandler how he loves"

[nancymohr]

Preach!

[leedurhamstone]

Aggie: Thanks for your advice about listening to the whole sermon. I could also listen to EVERY sermon Matt has online. But, no, the three min. still stand on their own. In it I hear a typical splitting of hairs and drawing a line between some Christians--Matt's "healthy" side--and other Christians (and everyone else). That is, our side is correct; the other side--those latte non-biblical Christians--are spiritual wastrels. Notice that Christian sermonizing is frequently thus.

[leedurhamstone]

The Aramaic words both John the Baptist and Jesus (both whom were Jews, of course) used for "repentance" meant "turn to" (or possibly "return to"), as was consistent to that used in the Jewish Bible (Old Testament), about which both John and Jesus were familiar. In the parable of the lost sheep, it is a matter of returning to the fold. The parable does not indicate the sheep should feel bad about it.

[servantofChrist37]

@leedurhamstone I'm really not trying to fuel any fruitless debates but I'm genuinely asking. Even logically, doesn't repentance necessarily imply that there's something to feel bad about? Or am I misunderstanding your position?

[MrRoycelong]

@servantofChrist37 Repentance has nothing to do with "feeling bad", the word is just referring to changing your clothes before getting baptized. See Acts 2:38.

[leedurhamstone]

The repentance doctrine is likely from one of those pre-Christian practices of some of the "mystery cults" glommed onto the faith in medieval times. You will have a difficult logic to equate repentance with love--it isn't necessary to the Christian message of love or at the core of the faith. And it is not a matter of (sometimes false) humbleness or contrition, it is more a matter of spiritual (and psychological) health--"love with all your mind and...strength."

[vanceisvloggin]

@leedurhamstone can you find verses about repentance to back this up?

[leedurhamstone]

The preacher sets up a message of dualism--usually the case for Christian sermonizing. Make it sound easy, but profound: take this path (his), not that path (the wrong one). Christians, many of them, must stay continually confused about what path they are on, with preachers telling them they are on the wrong one. Alas, so little real spirituality offered in the message (because so little to give). With so much emphasis on the negative of "repentance," too much spiritual capital is wasted.

[pu186]

@leedurhamstone so the leaders should strive to teach correct doctrine (1 Timothy 1:10), the good news or gospel (1 Tim. 1:11), "love[...]from a pure heart" (1 Tim. 1:5) and truth (2 Tim. 4:4). that being said, a false or misleading teacher -- as in, the teachers that urges others to follow "this path (his)" rather than that of Jesus Christ-- will bring "swift destruction on themselves" (2 Peter 2:1).

[pu186]

@leedurhamstone further, in Galatians 1:8 it says that even if Paul himself or an angel were to "preach the gospel contrary to what was preached... [the false teacher] will be accursed." in other words, if one is indeed a christian, to be a false teacher is serious business with dire consequences. regarding matt chandler, he isn't flawless but i do not believe he is ever intentionally misleading. his opinions are pretty transparent and he will typically cite the Bible when preaching doctrine.

[pu186]

@leedurhamstone repentance isn't a negative act so much as a necessary one. the core of the faith is certainly a positive one -- Love. in Mark 12:30-31 Jesus says there are no commandments greater than "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength" & "love your neighbor as yourself." to understand the outlying tenets of christianity (eg. repentance) one must first understand their relationship to their source (Love).

[aggie331]

@leedurhamstone Listen to the whole sermon before you criticize a three minute sound bite.

[HasteLeeT]

@leedurhamstone Repentance is a good thing. Its when you dont teach repentance that people move further and further away from God. Thats silly.

[clevelandbrown123]

WOOT capitalism

[747runningman]

what sermon is this from brotha?

[agben35]

Preach it brutha!!!