Documentary: "A World of Conflict" Ch.6 - Lebanon & Gaza

[lamestbiokinectic]

i think the people of both countries are good people but the leaders are the fucked up ones, but Israel,Egypt and Jordan have a peace treaty so not all leaders are bad

what i am saying is that Leaders make or break the country

[noobfart39]

FREE PALESTINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mrdogalemao]

 Banda de animais ! alias que me perdoém os animais!! até na hora de morrer são escandalosos !

[mrdogalemao]

 Banda de animais ! alias que me perdoém os animais!!

[cloud4527]

"They say evil prevails when good men fail to act, what they ought to say is - Evil prevails."

[austin6229]

return no evil to evil=\

[erntemashine]

super unibrow

[crisco362]

come on isreal

those arabs need to be taught a lesson that they need to stop killing themselvees and do something useful

[BigPurple121]

Once the middle east starts to run out of oil (peak is in about 4 years) & gasoline is slowly replaced by alternative fuels & energy sources, no one will care when Israel martyrs all of these people

[zzxzqwq]

Phil Bredeson of the ACLU you are a disgrace. I just thought it would be funny for all the musl;sim to know the man who wants to kill you all Bigpurple121 is called Phil Bredeson and works for the ACLU he is 22 years old. He is a cunt. He supports bullying and imperialism.

[omgodsword]

what makes u think arabs kill themselves? just because you see a few terrorists on tv etc...doesn't mean that that's what muslims are like. Your dumb, pathetic and ignorant.

[zzxzqwq]

Phil is a disgrace

[tonylee1973]

why do muslims think the american people back the US govermants support of the racist state of israel?

[ccaabb13]

they aren't racist. a black man/white man shot at you and hurt you don't tell me you wouldn't be a little worried

[Ultima770]

The Jews were sent into Palestine just to get the Arabs off of Britain's back, the Jews and the Arabs are innocent. Plus the leaders of these "Islamic rebels" are just using those people for their own gain. They say forget your own needs, think about everyone else or God, or your country, or land. Palestine, what if the Jews are pushed out? what will the Arabs use that land for? I know the land was taken from them, but that was 60 years ago.

[omgodsword]

jews used to live there - but that was a thousand or so years ago.

[Ultima770]

What I was trying to get across there was, the Jews are being used, Israeli leaders do not care about their own people. They are scared into believing that fighting and taking more land from the Palestinians is the way to go. Thus because of this ignorance, more wars will come. Plus the leaders of the surrounding countries just want Palestine for themselves. i only wish both the Arabs and the Jews see through the lies of their leaders and try to share the land like people.

[J3PP3sk8]

allah ashcbar!

[NIKSTAR2008]

time will solve every problem, u just have to wait until the old fanatics die, then some of their children start to watch MTV and realize that they have better things to do than shoot people and blow up cars

damn, its just annoying when u see this amounts of hate and ignorance combined with radical religious misunderstandings

[Suomipanzerdiv13]

That solution sounds so simple and easy that it acctually sounds funny! =D no offense but it would be great if it would be so!

[ntse91]

if they see that the "better things" are out of reach, then they're going to shoot people and blow up cars. i am joining the army because i dont want to work for mcdonalds. imagine what they'd do.

[austin6229]

damn im an israeli livin in america and i guess were hated but im also mexican to so i guess im double hated but damn lol oh well i love life

[mizzoulibertarian]

@austin6229 do you see a lot of people attacking you here in america? how often does that happen? we don't boo mexican beauty queens here in the US. they boo us beauty queens in mexico.

[DonDimi0413]

if a misil strikes your home, u lose both of your parents, your sister, and your lil brother, and ur left out in the street, bathing in their bloods, i dont think u OR ur kids will b watchin any mtv boy

[NIKSTAR2008]

U think that they would rahter try to kill somebody who isnt responsible for their misery than try to get over it and make world a better place for them and their children...maybe those people should be given more opporturnities to handle their lives...oh and whats up with that boy stuff? do u want to sound more adult?

[kupenienka]

feel sorry for palestinians

[Redemptioner123]

the infamous Martyrdom

[GoodEvenings]

All the bullets that they shoot in the air will claim more lives?

[Poxchild]

konagnu

I hope that this will be my last message for I find that religion is just a story of personnal belief not that of a holy man, so I say to you this: NO RELIGION IS PERFECT you just have to accept the flaws. I have accepted the fact that islam is not the best of religions, but neither is christianity, judaisme or any other. I just accept those flaws but see the goodness in the rest, which is was people should do. Religions are created by men and so they are fallible not perfect.

[konagnu]

Pox, one does not have to accept the flaws, if a religion teaches immoral things, your choice is to accept that the religion is immoral & become an appologist for it, strive to change it (impossible in Islam) or leave it. I am personally not a religious person, but a student of Islam, Christianity, Buddahism and Taoism. I began to study Islam to try to understand why 95% of the strife in the world has Muslims as the common denominator. No other religion is CURRENTLY so involved in disruption.

[Poxchild]

konagnu, you might have mistaken terms as jizya is a tax in muslim countries and taqiyya is a shiit beleif in which it is forgiven to conceal the truth if under immenent danger and threat of death. Trust me on this for i have lived in a muslim country for 18 years now and i know my religion(google and send me the link if it says otherwise please i am thirsty for info)

[konagnu]

Pox, the devil is in the details and in the interpretation. Jizya is only charged to non Muslims living in a Muslim dominated region. that is institutionalized discrimination. Just as morally wrong as discrimination based on race. The apologists of this policy toss it off as if it is no big deal, but the institutionalized discrimination extends to not allowing new churches to be built and many other oppressions, to many to cover here. You are studying Islam in a place where info is limited.

[Poxchild]

Konagnu may i remind youmthat it ws the christians who started taxing based on religion when they made pagans pay if they wished to stay in christian lands or when the Spanish forced the muslims and the jews to pay taxes to the kings to remain behind the city walls, therefore islam is not the only center of attention but christianity before it.

[konagnu]

Pox, Again, I am not defending Christians who have done terrible things, I will submit that such things are antithetical to the teachings of Christ. It is not taught in the New Testament. If Christians did such things, it was not in the name of God or Christ, wherein Islam, it is ordered by the Prophet. Do you not see the difference? Muhammad was not just a member of a religion, he was the lawmaker, the Prophet, and these things are part and parcel of his teachings.

[Poxchild]

konagnu

By the way i live in the United Arab Emirates where a whole section of the city library (10000 books) is dedicated to the study of islamic law in all its forms including the criticisime brought forth by muslims and others alike. I think i have no shortage of information thank you for the concern

[Poxchild]

konagnu, I have just one favor that i ask of you, even though i know you might reject it. In a variation of Christ's words: could we all just get along? Trust me, show love to people and they will love you back, but hate them and they will hate you back. i have no grudge against the world and none is born against me. And let me remind you the first rule in every religion(even islam) : to kill is an unforgivibal sin against god no matter who is killed for they are all his children.

[konagnu]

Pox, I am all for getting along, however, getting along does not mean that we cannot objectively and critically examine each others religions. I do have problems with Islam as it contains in it's tenants intollerence of other religions (kafirs) and demands that it's followers convert kafirs to Islam (by persuasion, which is fine, or by force which is not fine) to subjugate those who choose to follow their own paths or to kill those who choose not to be subjugated.

[Poxchild]

konagnu if you have been studying islam for 6 years you should know that allah refers to christians, jews and muslims as people of the books, which means they follow holy books. It is clearly stated in the koran that these people are to be considered as brothers to muslims and treated with the utmost respect as if you were treating your own kin. Therefore i do not see here any discrimination. It is also clearly stated that all men are created equal and none is better than the other.

[konagnu]

Pox, early in his "Prophet" career, that is true, after he gained power, that changed, the Qu'ran is not arranged in chronological order.

If you line it up chronologically, you will see the growing hostility toward Kafirs. In several instances ordering the beheading of hundreds of Jews who surrendered unconditionally. He ordered the murder of a poet (a Jewish woman) who did nothing more than offend him in her poetry.

[BassmanBas]

haha ur vanity amuses me! oh my, u read!!

Oh a redneck is a person who "fears"

strangers

Medically speaking since im a med student Xenophobic

see i must have read one book at least!

Howard did not say that, Costello did. Thats why labor rules now n not them :)

And B. Gabriel I have so much respect towards my christian friends' believes so i dont insult religion! still i can insult her as a non-patriotic fool! Oh n im a proud muslim! u have no idea wht real islam is so DON'T UTTER A WORD

[ceemars]

much better than uganda piece

[konagnu]

Kevin,

One might find it ironic as they view your excellent series is that you have failed to see the one common denominator in most if not all of the conflicts you have covered . . . Islam. Not radical Islam, Islam in it's most natural expression.

Read Brigitte Gabriel's "Because They Hate", or "The Truth about Mohammad" by Robert Spencer.

[BassmanBas]

haha amazing ! anyone who takes Brigitte Gabriel seriously is just as lame. shut up u redneck

[konagnu]

BassmanBas, I'd be willing to bet dollars to donuts that you have no idea who Ms. Gabriel is and you haven't read a book without pictures in your entire little life.

I like what John Howard had to say to radical Muslims in your country: to paraphrase; Get the F__K out if you don't like our culture.

If redneck means "one who reads" I accept that label. The phrase; "Shut up", one would expect to hear from a Muslim wanting to hide the truth, which you must be.

[BassmanBas]

haha ur vanity amuses me! oh my, u read!!

Oh a redneck is a person who "fears"

strangers

Medically speaking since im a med student Xenophobic

see i must have read one book at least!

Howard did not say that, Costello did. Thats why labor rules now n not them :)

And B. Gabriel I have so much respect towards my christian friends' believes so i dont insult religion! still i can insult her as a non-patriotic fool! Oh n im a proud muslim! u have no idea wht real islam is so DON'T UTTER A WORD

[konagnu]

BassmanBas, I'm sorry for your patients if you are a Med Student as your writing indicates that you are barely literate. You say "don't utter a word". Very typical of a Muslim fearing examination of Islam. You want to silence opposition because you know the "religion" cannot withstand scrutiny by anyone not brainwashed from birth in it's inherent insanity.

[BassmanBas]

Haha, yea i'm barely literate :). I say don't utter a word about islam not because im fearful, please do whatever you want, im happy with my religion, comments and preposterous ideas do not affect me. But because you're just as dimwitted as Brigitte Gabriel about the subject, and thus good muslims such as myself don't want to suffer the consequences of your ludicrous talk. There are alot of stupid people out there that would actually believe you and ur idols' lunacy

[konagnu]

BassmanBas, I've read her book, did you? If so, what specifically do you find that would indicate she is dimwitted? You are commenting on something which you know nothing about. I'm talking about Ms. Gabriel's book, but am sure it is true about your level of knowledge about Islam as well. Once again, three times now you demand my silence, too late, we are on to you and your pedophile prophet.

[FormicHiveQueen]

konagnu, I find your response to Islamic-based wars repugnant at best. Religions don't start wars, people abusing religions do. I could use your exact same arguement against Judeo-Christianity. There are plenty of muslims who are neither hateful nor at all intolerant of other religions. You just can't generalize like that.

[konagnu]

FormicHiveQueen: Bless the youth who have never studied the religion of Islam as I have for the past six years. For just a taste, go to religionofpeace dot com. Read through the site, and if you feel it is not objective, I'll be happy to send you to pro-Islamic study sites and you can confirm the accuracy of the Qur'anic quotes for yourself. Get off the political correctness highhorse and do some research.

[FormicHiveQueen]

Political correctness highhorse? Political correctness can go fuck itself for all I care, because it's a stupid idea. But based on the fact that you type with about the same diplomatic skill a 13-year-old who thinks he knows everything, I sincerely doubt that you have spent any real time studying Islam at all.

[konagnu]

FormicHiveQueen: Think what you want, research it if you want. Here are some easy starters: "Infidel" Ayaan Hirsi Ali, "The Truth about Muhammad" Robert Spencer. Or pick up some English translations of the Qur'an. Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, and Mohammed Habib Shakir are considered the most reliable. Then you may want to move on to the Hadith most respected are Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim & Sunan Abu-Dawud.

[konagnu]

FormicHiveQueen: As you study the subject, you will find countless instructions from the prophet to Muslims to: convert (by force if necessary), Subjugate (google Jizya), or kill the Kafir (Infidel or non-believer). Muslims have the right to lie to Kafirs if it furthers the cause of Islam (google taqiyya).

[Poxchild]

konagnu

What you consider as reliable sources hate(yes hate) Islam and so insult it. Of course that they will say these things about it. I m not saying shut up, just gather info yourself before moving on. Basing yourself on books and facts can be misleading and untruthful, because i could very well say that christians are all pedophiles because some priests went wrong and that based on the Malleus Malificarum they kill infidels and heretics. You see its that easy.

[konagnu]

Poxchild:The sources I consider reliable are the Qur'an & Hadith. I agree with you, they do say these things. A priest who molests a child when it is against the law and immoral is far different than the Prophet himself molesting a nine year old girl, Aisha. He was, after all the founder of Islam, and good Muslims are to follow his example. Yes, you could say that all Christians are pedophiles based on the actions of Catholic priests, but one would have to be a moron to come to that conclusion.

[Poxchild]

konagnu, basing myself on the catholic church which is the incarnation of god's will on earth, christianity might be a violent religion. Let us not forget the mass executions in spain that were presided over by the pope (malleus malificarum) and the cleansing of infidels in jerusalem and south america. All those were supported by the pope who claims to have better understanding of the bible and the center of faith. I say again, people are evil noe religions.

[konagnu]

Poxchild, no one looks at the catholic church as the incarnation of god's will on earth. to do so is to demonstrate a severe lack of understanding of the Christian religion. The Pope (catholic church leader) is no more than a high ranking priest, not a prophet who converses with God. South America was an economic enslavement and forced conversion, very wrong, and direction to do so is not found in the teachings of Christ, and in fact is against the teachings of Jesus.

[Poxchild]

konagnu

By the way if you actually read the coran in a clear mind you might interpret it differntly, since it is a holy book. For instance, to kill an infidel is not to physicaly obliterate him but rather to guide him to the light of god and symbolicaly "kill" the kafir side of his soul. Try to keep an open mind and don't go around making clames that you understand everything because no one does. And who are you to judge other people, you are no better than those you critisize.

[konagnu]

Poxchild, I am wondering if you have read the Qur'an & Hadith. The Qur'an is full of verses commanding the killing, or subjugation of kafir.

Hadith full of observed examples of both. "Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5) see also, 9:123, 47:4,8:12; cp. 8:60, 22:19-22, 5:33, 8:7 them see Hadith: Sahih Bokhari Ch 22:73, Ishaq:316 , Tabari VIII:181, Tabari VII:85, There is much more, but limited by space here.

[konagnu]

Poxchild, It would be wonderful if your interpretation of the Qur'an were accurate, however, the history of the expansion of Islam in conflict with your interpretation. If you believe that all the Jews, Christians, Polytheists (and many other religious groups) that thrived in Arabia prior to the 7th century all converted to Islam because they were persuaded by reason & loving persuasion, then you are naive & historically challenged on the topic. I do not criticize people, but violent behavior.

[Poxchild]

konagnu, I could also remind you that the papacy has issued the Malleus Malificarum instructing the clergy on haw to kill free thinking people in europe (called heretics or witches) and that it endorsed the cleansing of the holy city of jerusalem where the blood reached ankle high after the christians slaughtered everyone inside. Not considering the mass cleasing of South America in the 16th century. People are evil my friend not religions, it is muslims that may be violent not islam.

[konagnu]

I am not defending any religion or holding one as superior to the other, yet on your point re the pope ordering killings, Muhammad was THE PROPHET. Not merely a church leader. To imply a comparison between a pope and his ordering of killings if far different than the founder and Prophet of a religion ordering killings and subjugations of people of different faiths.

[Poxchild]

konagnu, now I am wondering if you have read any hadiths. Indeed they are not presented as such (Ishaq:316) for they are individual recollections of the words af the prophet according to some of closest friends (aljamaa) and are not classified in chapters. This shows that your sources are unreliable. I have been studying Islam for nine years and have not encountered a hadith or sourat speaking of a girl being molested by the prophet.

[konagnu]

Poxchild, His WIFE, Aisha, who is the primary source for many many Hadiths was NINE years old when the marriage was consummated. That is like 9, the number after 8, like a 3rd grade child. By any definition of child, age nine qualifies. Any 50+ man having sex, under any circumstances, with a nine year old child is, by definition, a pedephile. One cannot have consenttual sex with a child, it is rape, molestation, it is wrong and sick.

[Poxchild]

konagnu, you might find that Colin Turner, a professor of Persian language and Islamic history, states that Muhammad's marriage, in its historical context, would not have been considered the least improper. Such marriages between an older man and a young girl were customary among Bedouins as they still are in many societies across the world. Coulin further writes that Arabs in the seventh century tended to reach adulthood at an earlier age than Westerners today.

[konagnu]

Pox, It is always possible to find some historian somewhere to justify barbaric acts. Just because it is not improper in Mr. Turner's view does not make it so. There are sickos today who believe sex with children is fine. Research NAMBLA. It was wrong and perverted then & wrong and perverted now. No culture condones sex with children. Mr. Turner is full of crap, he may be the only historian (or one of very very few) who holds that position.

[Poxchild]

konagnu i could say the exact same thing for all the peole you quote as being complete jackasses, truth is that evryone has a point of view. For europeans it may be cruel, but all historians in the arab and eastern world do not consider it so. Both point of views may be held.

[konagnu]

Pox You state: "i could say the exact same thing for all the peole you quote as being complete jackasses". the "jackass" I quote is Muhammad himself, HIS OWN WORDS in the Qu'ran say Kifars are inferior & it's okay to treat them as such. He is the one who says a woman is inferior, it is okay to lie, okay to take slaves & kill, to take women from defeated foes & make then "sex slaves" He is the one who says it is a Muslim's duty to wage violent Jihad (not the personal struggle thing).