"Not forced Willing submission". If someone conquers your town/city and offers you slavery or death then that is not willing submission. It would only be willing submission if you had a third option of staying alive, not being enslaved and/or not having your town/city conquered in the first place. "Slavery when done by biblical standards was a good thing, a positive, beneficial thing." Yes slavery is great, if you're a slave owner.
@GBlair88 Nice to know the Israelites were free to commit genocide and enslave peoples of different ethnic or religious backgrounds because their god gave them permission. Bit of a coincidence don't you think..
@GBlair88 Exodus 21:20 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished," So you can beat your slaves as much as you want as long as they don't die. Doesn't seem like 'a kind, loving manner' to me. I don't care how nice you are, owning a person is wrong.
Do you really believe this video is telling you what the Bible says about slavery? If you are, then you are ignorant about both the Bible, scholars, and history. Didn't the abolitionist movement come out of Christianity?
Slavery in the Bible is NOT totally different than the slavery used in, say, America. Were biblical slaves chattel? Yes. Were they paid for their labor? No. Were they free to come and go as they pleased? No. Could they be beaten senseless for failure to perform their duties? Yes.
The only differences were that sometimes a god critter figured into the deal, and sometimes biblical slaves were free to go after a predefined term of slavery. That's not "totally" different.
Wrong once again. There isn't enough space for a full explanation, but I can refer you to a book called Is God a Moral Monster? (Here's a hint: the answer is no).
@MrTrilliondollarman I obviously won't be "proven wrong" by you. You clearly have absolutely nothing to stand on - no facts, no evidence, only bold, empty, repetitive assertion. When you have absolutely nothing to say, there is only one right thing to do. Stop talking, and go learn something.
Here, go learn something about slavery in the Bible: youtube.com/watch?v=0LHWfSolw7w
What you did here is called a rash generalization, and a pretty idiotic one at that. I have plenty to say which will refute everything and anything you can come up with. However, since I don't have the space here, I can provide you with the meat of it by bringing up a book called Is God A Moral Monster? (here's a hint: the answer is no). This book, unlike this video, is written by someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
@MrTrilliondollarman Let me think about that. OK, I did. Nope, you're still out to lunch. I don't need to read that book you keep referring to when I've read about slavery in the text of the KJV Bible.
If a slave of the biblical times couldn't walk away from his servitude and say, "Let's make an alternate arrangement," which he couldn't, then there is no difference. If he can be beaten to within an inch of his life over a financial arrangement, there's no difference.
Ok...let's take what you say into consideration...all right, I reject everything you just said. You do need to read the book I'm talking about because you keep getting the conclusions wrong.
Had you bothered to look at the book, you wouldn't have said those two idiotic statements.
@MrTrilliondollarman What's your point? Are you pro slavery in general, or are you just in favor of certain "types" of slavery that don't really exist?
I hope you're not just defending God here. Is it cognitive dissonance that causes you to jump up and down in defense of slavery? You can't believe your perfect deity would allow and accept such a despicable practice? He did. Deal with it.
I hope you're not saying or suggesting something stupid like "we shouldn't be following the Bible." It comes down to who we should believe: a PHD in biblical studies who says one thing about slavery in the Bible or hacks like you who say something different?
Do I even need to explain who a reasonable person should side with?
@MrTrilliondollarman That's exactly what I'm suggesting. There's no wisdom or knowledge in the Bible beyond that of the times in which it was written. Its first fallacy appears in its first 50 words!
PhD in biblical studies? How many times do you have to read the same book before someone awards you a PhD (from a Jesuit Catholic college)? The author has been to nothing but bible school his entire life. That's not a very well-rounded/ balanced education. Highly biased I'd say.
@MrTrilliondollarman You merely opine and assert that I'm wrong. Again, jumping up and down screaming "I'm right!" doesn't make you so. There's also a whole group of scholars who agree with what I say.
A god can't be immoral if it doesn't exist. A character in a work of fiction can be, however.
More like I point out, as the author says, that views such as yours may be supported by village atheists, but not by people who have seriously studied the scriptures.
God is moral, does indeed exist and your stands make no sense.
@MrTrilliondollarman It all boils down to this: if your god exists, show him to us. Have him drop by for coffee sometime and work a few miracles for old time's sake. Everyone loves a card trick.
He showed himself directly to numerous people in the Bible and had conversations with them. I demand the same treatment if he wants me to believe in him. It's unreasonable for him do to anything else.
Playing this silly game of "hide from the humans" isn't something an all-powerful being would do.
You will admit everything you thought was wrong at worst or at best misguided. Miracles defy what we know about the world..that's why they're called miracles. By the way, do you really expect God to show up even though you treat Him like crap?
The rest is just your own bogus opinion with no basis in fact. I also see you changed the subject rather than admit you're wrong...that shows cowardice.
I treat God like crap? Look at the world around you. If he exists, he's gone to great effort to treat us like crap. And no, eating a piece of fruit wasn't worth this mess.
You can't be sure about how "it's really going to work" because there is no evidence to substantiate your beliefs. Your assertion is therefore actually a lie.
You left the slavery subject first. I asked a question and you failed to answer it. Feel free to answer at any time.
Not even close to an ad hominem. You did change the subject. That's not a personal attack; that's stating a fact.
I see a world that needs God more than ever...any problem in this world (like HIV, since today is HIV Awareness Day) all boils down to rejecting God. Denying God dying on the cross is not worth all of this.
I have solid proof that my beliefs do work. Your assumption therefore is wrong.
You didn't ask any question I didn't answer. Try again.
LOL How 'bout.. I don't believe the Bible (for many reasons) but the caption from 1:43 "however if he was married and/or had children whilst he was a slave, then his master may keep the WIFE AND KIDS AS PROPERTY"... And, for those who haven't read the goddamn bible, that crap IS in there!!!
@MrTrilliondollarman : Some consequence. Meanwhile more people die. Obviously there is no god and no objective morals.
Yeah, worse events occur. You guys are no better than muslims.
Obviously you don't. And obviously you NEED the last word so have it. I'm going to go make fun of your idiocy on my channel. You have given us some good stuff to laugh at.
ROTFL, neither Angel nor I need to lift a finger to beat your ass, because you do such a good job beating yourself. When other Christians see how stupid and vile you are they'll distance themselves from you. You'll be all alone with your other fundie friends.
You clearly don't know about the reforms Napoleon made in Europe. And the Greek, Egyptian, and Roman pagans built the west, Christianity merely stole what they did.
Seems more like I beat both of you with barely any effort. Once everyone sees what idiots you both are, they'll drop their foolish atheist notions.
Greek, Egyptian or Roman didn't create the notion of absolute human right or dignity, they didn't create the codified laws of Europe, or the great cathedrals, or the artwork. Christianity built it all--not pagans.
Nice try, but Greek philosophers did no such thing. Most people living in Greece at that time were slaves, and they were not viewed as having the same dignity as free men.
They got it from the greeks. Or do you not know what renaissance means.
Serfs were virtually slaves.
Thomas Jefferson was a Deist, as were many of the founding fathers.
Tell, me, how many atheists friends do you have? None I bet since you're a bigoted moron. I'm friends with several Christians on youtube and we manage to have intelligent conversations. You, are just a miserable wretch.
@MrTrilliondollarman No, that's exactly what you said. No freedom = slavery. Therefore, some freedom ≠ slavery. If not, then at what point does a person have enough freedom to not be considered a slave?
I don't have much choice in the matter. Our society works on wage slavery. If I don't work, I starve. I don't go along with it on my own free will.
Not even close to what I said. You're comparing working for wages being equal to slavery in the Bible. LOVE..JUST LOVE... to break it to you, but they're not the same thing.
@MrTrilliondollarman Then what did you say? You still haven't answered my question, when does a person have enough freedom not to be considered a slave?
I never said they were the same thing. Neither did I say I was an atheist. I just LOVE how you can say I misquoted you, while misquoting me.. in the same comment.
@MrTrilliondollarman Maybe you should take your own advice jackass. Everything you've ever said on this thread is dead wrong and if you don't reply in the next 24 hours, you would of just admitted that you were dead wrong and that you are also @CultCowboy.
Very funny! I love apologists who try to justify the owning of another human. And next up is justifiable homicide! And then they will start to kill all others who don't believe what they believe... wait, haven't I heard this story before. ;P
@MrTrilliondollarman : There is no "story" of atheism. Atheism is merely the lack of belief in a god. No one in the history of the world has enslaved or killed another in the name of, or for the glory of, no god. Now can the same be said for religions? No. And not just the Abrahamic religions either.
I have atheist nations called the USSR, North Korea, Cuba and the French Revolution that pretty much made humans into slaves, if not in name than in practice.
@MrTrilliondollarman : And the motto's of those countries and movements speak about how great that there is no god and... wait... they don't? Not a single one? In fact every one you mentioned with the exception of the French Revolution (not sure where that one came from) has a cult of personality at it's center which is a lot like a religion.
Like so many idiot theists, you seem to be confusing the people who where atheist with the movement and country around them.
Cult of personality? My, my...you've been reading Hitchen's crap too much.
No..the truth is each and every one of those removed God from their nation and suffered as a result. The USSR's constitution used the phrase "separation of church and state."
Like so many atheist morons, you believed whatever you were told as long as it made religion look bad.
@MrTrilliondollarman : I have not read a single Hitchens book so your assertion to save face from not knowing what a cult of personality is, is pathetic.
How can a nonexistent being be removed from anything?
Your assumptions are wrong. Perhaps you should ask me what I believe rather than assume what I belief. But that would be a lot of work asking all of those questions and we all know that people who don't want to look for answers go to religion to be TOLD what the answers are.
Actually, it's dead on accurate: this is exactly Hitchen's explanation for those nations.
First off, they based it on the foolish assumption God doesn't exist...not existing? What a foolish idea.
Told what the answers are? What about all those who came to religion, in particular Christianity, because they found religion's answers made sense? Ever thought of that?
@MrTrilliondollarman "God did it" answers nothing. There is nothing in Christianity that answers anything about reality. It was made up by people who had no clue how many continents there were. By people who had no clue just how vast the universe was around them. Christianity is merely were the weak, gullible, and stupid go to feel better about their place in the world and to be filled with false hopes and promises that will ONLY be fulfilled when they die. It's a great racket, full of trickery.
"Just because" answers even less. There is no redeeming quality to atheism whatsoever. It was made up by people who dont bother to think. Atheism is nothing more than the opiate of the morally and intellectually deficient. We will be much better off once atheism is gone for good.
@MrTrilliondollarman : "Just because" is a theistic saying, not an atheistic one. "I don't know" would be an atheistic saying since not knowing is not a bad thing. However proclaiming knowledge without evidence to back it up is dishonest.
Atheists are better people than theists, this is demonstrable. More scientists are atheist than theist so your assertions are still absurd.
Yes, so people can get back to killing each other over which god is the "real" one. Nice future you envision...
Wrong again. Theists don't answer "why is there a universe?" with that answer. That's how atheists answer it.
Not knowing is bad thing...just look at you.
Atheists are more dishonest, engage in more questionable behaviors, are less likely to marry or have as many children as theists. About half of all scientists are theists.
Yeah...let's go back to "how dare you question our atheist leader? To the firing squad with you."
@MrTrilliondollarman : Why is there a universe? Because the big bang happened. Is that a "just because"? No.
See? You need to have an answer for everything even if that answer answers nothing. Not knowing scares you. Ignorance is not a bad thing. Let go of your fear and join us in the search for the truth.
Atheists have less divorce rates too. ;)
Not the top scientists. They are 85% atheist. Very telling, don't you think?
@MrTrilliondollarman : Why is there a universe? Because the big bang happened. Watch the lecture by Lawrence Krauss on the universe from nothing and he can explain the why in greater detail.
I thought about if a god actually existed. I search for evidence to show it exists. I found none. I concluded that there were no gods. That is not thinking to you? o.O
Nope, Christian divorce rates are higher by about 5%.
Really? Show me your source then.
I'm not paired with them at all so your point fails.
@MrTrilliondollarman : Nope, it's the why. There was a super dense singularity of energy and it expanded and formed the universe. Why is there a universe? Because the big bang happened.
Since there was just arguments from ignorance, personal experiences, and emotional arguments it was easy to see that "god" was completely subjective and therefore nonexistent given the attributes that it was claimed to have.
Yup, Christian website with no study details. Typical. And untrustworthy.
Wrong. It's the how. The origin of the universe is the manner, not the reason, so the correct word is how.
Since you have nothing more than your own opinions which count for jack shit (plus they did cite their sources), your objection is rejected, their claim stands and you lose.
Yup...atheist moron with nothing to offer...so sad.
@MrTrilliondollarman : How was the universe formed? That gets into complex physics that I don't know. As for why, see answers below.
And you have nothing but your opinions and the that of a Christian website which is suspect and untrustworthy. So I guess we are at an impasse. That is also typical. Reason, logic, and critical thinking are not something valued by the religious so how can I convince you using reason, logic, and critical thought?
@MrTrilliondollarman : Very well, since you refuse to answer the questions I'll fill in the blanks for you. You are a slave to your god concept. You believe yourself to be wholly the property of this god who owns you completely. You enjoy being a slave and want others to be slaves to your god as well. Therefore, it is utterly pointless to discuss the wrongness of slavery to a person who WANTS and RELISHES being a slave.
Thank you for the reinforcement that Christianity MUST be destroyed. ;)
You are a hoot, you know that? Where to begin to tear everything you said apart?
First off, I am a servant of God. Slave and servant are not the same thing. Second of all, even if I was a slave to God, better that than a slave of atheist ignorance like you. Third, that is quite a bit of hot air and specious reasoning you got there.
Thanks for showing atheism must be thrown into the dustbin of history!!
@MrTrilliondollarman I gave you a chance to answer my questions, you refused. If you don't like my sum up then you should have answered the questions. Blaming me for your shortcomings is utterly typical of a person who is not in touch with reality.
I am ignorant of many things. But I can and do learn so your assertion that I am somehow a slave is absurd.
Atheism is growing faster each year. Soon the churches will be empty. Your ilk cannot compete with free information and advanced science. ^_^
You had a chance to prove you're not a total idiot and you blew it. Nice going.
Projecting your failures on others doesn't make you look any smarter.
Your claim of slavery was bogus from the very beginning.
Atheism is dying. According to UN reports, fewer than 1% of the world is atheist. Churches are thriving and will thrive much more come this Christmas...and atheists aren't invited!!! Yay!!!
@MrTrilliondollarman : I don't need to prove my intelligence to you since I've already proven it to anyone watching. You have nothing but baseless assertions.
1% of the world? Wrong. Get your facts from non-Christian websites and from REAL studies if you want to be intelligent but I already know that you won't since you just want to believe in your imaginary friend because it makes you feel better. Christians are pathetic and weak.
Only those who question everything will learn what is real.
@MrTrilliondollarman : You do realize that atheists are the most diverse group on the planet, right? No, actually i doubt that you knew that. Vague, general statements are all you can muster. ;)
There are no absolutes. Right and wrong are completely subjective to the person. We know why our society has certain acts as right and certain acts as wrong. The "atheists don't have morals" argument is pathetically weak and thoroughly debunked many times over. Next fallacy please.
@MrTrilliondollarman : Really? Atheists can be republicans, democrats, green party, libertarian, for abortion, against abortion, supporting of homosexual marriage, against homosexual marriage, believers of the supernatural and aliens, secular humanists, be of ANY race or culture, ets. The list is almost endless. Catholics are FAR less diverse.
So you disagree that morals are subjective? Try it and see. Name a moral that is objective and you'll find it's actually subjective.
Wrong again. Atheists are most likely to be socialists, communists, Norwegian shooters, supporters of bogus ideas that no one supports...believers in aliens? You couldn't do any better than that? Laws against cold-blooded murder are not subjective...every nation has a prohibition on it.
@MrTrilliondollarman "Atheists are most likely to be socialists, communists" - Certification needed.
"Norwegian shooters" - He was a Christian.
"believers in aliens?" - Never heard of Railians, huh? Knowledge is power and you seem to have very little of it. That is a pity...
"Laws against cold-blooded murder are not subjective...every nation has a prohibition on it. " - And yet, in some middle east countries, it is LEGAL to kill if it is a "mercy killing". Murder is subjective.
Railians believe in aliens but not a god so they are atheists who believe in aliens. Your rejection is absurd.
Research mercy killings in Sharia law that have been carried out in Middle Eastern countries if you doubt me. I don't mind, the knowledge is out there. But the fact that there are mercy killings in cold blood shows murder to be subjective to the culture and therefore not objective. I win. ;)
A Christian may be running but that doesnt make them a socialist.
Railians are a joke, proposing an idea that no one believes. Do try a lot harder.
Actually, you lose big time. Murder in cold blood is not tolerated and countries that allow it are notorious human rights violators, based on OBJECTIVE morality.
@MrTrilliondollarman : Your naivety and lack of knowledge is very amusing! Thanks for the laughs! I think I'll add some of your comments to my wall of fame!
Ah, I love whooping the ass of a clueless Christian! ^_^
@MrTrilliondollarman : Wow, you have so many idiotic comments to choose from, how to choose the best out of all of this gold? That's going to be a hard one but I'm sure I'll find the best one. Hehe. ;)
@MrTrilliondollarman : Regardless, an unenforced law is not an objective law. And besides, a law against something doesn't make it immoral. Here, jay walking is against the law but is crossing the street immoral?
Research mercy killings and then try to tell me that those killed (mostly women) where not murdered in cold blood. Then perhaps you will realize that there is no objective ban on murder and that morals are subjective. But you won't because it goes against your faith. As I said, typical.
@MrTrilliondollarman : Of course enforcement is the issue! Saying that something is wrong and allowing people to do it anyway is a form of acceptance! The Declaration can say anything but unless it's enforced it is not an example of an objective moral since the people refusing to follow it show it to be subjective!
And all laws are subjective to the culture which enforces them. Some my be similar, but the very nature of humans prevent them from being anything other than subjective.
@MrTrilliondollarman : So I'm not up to date on current UN politics. So sue me. However that does not invalidate what I've said. Have you looked into mercy killings yet? If not, why are you so resistant? Is it because you suspect that I'm right and it would show the ban on murder to be subjective and thereby invalidate your claim that only those who know absolutely (objective) right and wrong know about reality? Hmm?
Actually, it does invalidate everything you said. Saudi Arabia had no hand in the creation of the Declaration and the commission you claimed they were a part of no longer exists.
@MrTrilliondollarman : Fine, Saudi Arabia wasn't a part of writing the declaration. However, they still don't follow it so it's not objective. You seem to be confusing the existence of a piece of paper with the application of the laws within. An objective ban is not an objective ban when several countries don't obey the ban. I'm not sure why this point seems to allude you...
Actually, it does follow. It's considered a written example of objective law. You can even look it up yourself. You seem to not be able to come to terms with the fact you're wrong.
People not obeying have nothing to do with whether something is objective. Don't know why you dont get that.
And an objective moral means it's right or wrong for EVERYONE. If just ONE person doesn't agree it's NOT objective. You seem to think that since a bunch of people got together and said that murder is wrong that it's then objectively immoral when I have given you an example of how it is NOT objectively immoral since it is LEGAL to murder in some countries. These are called mercy killings. Look them up, if you DARE!
@MrTrilliondollarman : Law =/= moral. Jay walking is not immoral, just illegal. Speeding is not immoral, just illegal.
Of course you can break a law because you don't feel like following it. It's just then you'll have to face the consequences, if any. Laws are subjective TO THE CULTURE. I love how you leave out key points in my arguments! ^_^
Generally, breaking the law is wrong, however it is not objectively wrong since there are instances where breaking the law can be a good thing. The obeying of laws is subjective and laws =/= morals as I've demonstrated.
And what consequences are Middle Eastern countries who have legalized murder subject to?
Yup, pity. You struggle to understand concepts that I easily understand and for that I pity you.
@MrTrilliondollarman "Only when the law is illogical is it okay to break it." - Bingo! Laws are subjectively followed. Thank you for proving my point! ^_^
Yeah, Christians just molest children, blow up abortion clinics, kill abortion doctors, and protest at soldier's funerals. That's SO much better. :p
Once again, you missed the point...illogical...now how can that be determined? By objective morality only. There is no such thing as subjective morality.
Atheists blow up cathedrals, shoot their opponents in the head, make women into sex toys, hack people to death, and demean all they come in contact with...how sickening.
@MrTrilliondollarman : I don't think slavery is right, you do. I don't think homosexuality is wrong, you likely do. I support homosexual marriage, you likely don't. Exact same? I think not.
What stat? There are more Christians in the US than atheists, yes? So even if the number are across the board that would mean that there are more Christians in prison than atheists.
When did I say slavery was right? That would be never.
Homosexuality is wrong in every way, shape and form. The only reason you disagree is because you don't bother to think.
The study didn't look at when the person became Christian, which skews the numbers. It's possible they converted through the many prison ministries in existence.
@MrTrilliondollarman : By the way, I admit to being wrong all the time. I don't know everything and when I'm shown to be wrong I correct the error and move on. That's how humans learn. However, I only admit that I'm wrong when I'm actually wrong. ;)
@MrTrilliondollarman : Because I didn't get how and why wrong. Not in that instance. I even explained it to you in detail. It's not my fault you can't seem to understand the answer.
Let me give you another one similar to your question. In quantum mechanics if you have nothing you'll get something. So if you asked "why is there something?", I could say "because there was nothing." and that would be an answer to the "why". It is a complicated concept so I shouldn't expect you to grasp it.
@MrTrilliondollarman : Ok, so be it. You don't like the answer so rather than rephrase the question you simply state that I don't understand the difference between how and why. Ignoring the fact that the "why" I answered is a physics "why" and the "why" you wanted me to answer is a philosophical "why". But hey, let's not let details and facts get in the way of a good, old fashioned, preconceived hatred!
Look me up when you figure out how to phrase your questions to get the answers you seek.
@MrTrilliondollarman : Thank you! This post just proved to me that my psychoanalysis of you is spot on! Ok, I think I'm now done with you. You may go. ^_^
@MrTrilliondollarman : Sorry dude, I don't follow your misogynistic ideals of what a woman should and shouldn't do. I have a voice and I'm going to use it. Don't like it? Tough! ^_^
So instead you follow your intellectual heir the Marque DeSade..who said women are nothing more than she-wolves who "belong to whoever wishes to ravage her"?
@MrTrilliondollarman Check out my channel for your comment listed for all to see. A shining example of Christian idiocy! ^_^
I'm glad I could sicken you. I hope you feel as bad as possible. Me, on the other hand, I'm laughing my ass off at your lack of even basic knowledge. Don't worry, me and the rest of the "dumbass atheists" will make the progress that makes your life better. You'll never thank us for it but you will owe it to us nonetheless. ;)
@MrTrilliondollarman : Let me take you back to your question. You asked "Why is there a universe?". I answered you: "Because the big bang happened.". Now if you had asked "Why was the universe created?" then that would have been a completely different answer. If you don't like the answer to a question perhaps it's because you are not asking the right questions. Now, knowing this, would you like to phrase your question differently?
i wana see you tell a black guy that slavery is posative and beneficial, he will probably chop your ball off
Degreezzify 1 month ago
"Not forced Willing submission". If someone conquers your town/city and offers you slavery or death then that is not willing submission. It would only be willing submission if you had a third option of staying alive, not being enslaved and/or not having your town/city conquered in the first place. "Slavery when done by biblical standards was a good thing, a positive, beneficial thing." Yes slavery is great, if you're a slave owner.
GBlair88 1 month ago
@GBlair88 Nice to know the Israelites were free to commit genocide and enslave peoples of different ethnic or religious backgrounds because their god gave them permission. Bit of a coincidence don't you think..
GBlair88 1 month ago
@GBlair88 Exodus 21:20 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished," So you can beat your slaves as much as you want as long as they don't die. Doesn't seem like 'a kind, loving manner' to me. I don't care how nice you are, owning a person is wrong.
GBlair88 1 month ago 2
stunning really. slavery sanitized and offered up as something to embrace. your apparent need to hold onto your delusion is breath-taking!
bosyeux2 1 month ago
168 brown ppl saw the 02:56 and stated FU RACIST! And "i dislike this video."
Me as a nonjewish white hetero male, i dont give a fck about it =)
preetor1 1 month ago
"That shows cowardice" - ad hominem. Sorry to have to lead you by the nose.
A-cut-and-pasting we will go. Try to follow along. Here's the question, again:
"Are you pro slavery in general, or are you just in favor of certain "types" of slavery that don't really exist?"
ChipArgyle 1 month ago
@ChipArgyle
Do you really believe this video is telling you what the Bible says about slavery? If you are, then you are ignorant about both the Bible, scholars, and history. Didn't the abolitionist movement come out of Christianity?
MrTrilliondollarman 1 month ago
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@MrTrilliondollarman A-cut-and-pasting we will go. Try to follow along. Here's the question, again:
"Are you pro slavery in general, or are you just in favor of certain "types" of slavery that don't really exist?"
ChipArgyle 1 month ago
Wow! Rationalization = Mental Gymnastics.
seeqer66 2 months ago
Slavery in the Bible is NOT totally different than the slavery used in, say, America. Were biblical slaves chattel? Yes. Were they paid for their labor? No. Were they free to come and go as they pleased? No. Could they be beaten senseless for failure to perform their duties? Yes.
The only differences were that sometimes a god critter figured into the deal, and sometimes biblical slaves were free to go after a predefined term of slavery. That's not "totally" different.
ChipArgyle 2 months ago
@ChipArgyle
Wrong once again. There isn't enough space for a full explanation, but I can refer you to a book called Is God a Moral Monster? (Here's a hint: the answer is no).
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman Nope. Not wrong in the least. Perfectly accurate, actually.
Now, show us your God or STFU. Thanks.
ChipArgyle 2 months ago
@ChipArgyle
Actually, yes, this video is completely wrong. Again, read Is God a Moral Monster?...unless you're afraid of being proved wrong.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman Proved wrong. With evidence you mean?
Go ahead. We're all waiting and watching.
And waiting...
And waiting...
Yawn.
ChipArgyle 2 months ago
@ChipArgyle
And you're going to be proven wrong...again..
and again...
and again...
idiot.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman I obviously won't be "proven wrong" by you. You clearly have absolutely nothing to stand on - no facts, no evidence, only bold, empty, repetitive assertion. When you have absolutely nothing to say, there is only one right thing to do. Stop talking, and go learn something.
Here, go learn something about slavery in the Bible: youtube.com/watch?v=0LHWfSolw7w
ChipArgyle 2 months ago
@ChipArgyle
What you did here is called a rash generalization, and a pretty idiotic one at that. I have plenty to say which will refute everything and anything you can come up with. However, since I don't have the space here, I can provide you with the meat of it by bringing up a book called Is God A Moral Monster? (here's a hint: the answer is no). This book, unlike this video, is written by someone who actually knows what they're talking about.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman why dont you give the cliff notes version to enlighten us heathens
muta4thefail 2 months ago
@muta4thefail
Nah...I think you heathens would be better off reading the work yourself. Too much important info would be lost in a cliff notes version.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman Let me think about that. OK, I did. Nope, you're still out to lunch. I don't need to read that book you keep referring to when I've read about slavery in the text of the KJV Bible.
If a slave of the biblical times couldn't walk away from his servitude and say, "Let's make an alternate arrangement," which he couldn't, then there is no difference. If he can be beaten to within an inch of his life over a financial arrangement, there's no difference.
ChipArgyle 2 months ago
@ChipArgyle
Ok...let's take what you say into consideration...all right, I reject everything you just said. You do need to read the book I'm talking about because you keep getting the conclusions wrong.
Had you bothered to look at the book, you wouldn't have said those two idiotic statements.
MrTrilliondollarman 1 month ago
@MrTrilliondollarman What's your point? Are you pro slavery in general, or are you just in favor of certain "types" of slavery that don't really exist?
I hope you're not just defending God here. Is it cognitive dissonance that causes you to jump up and down in defense of slavery? You can't believe your perfect deity would allow and accept such a despicable practice? He did. Deal with it.
ChipArgyle 1 month ago
@ChipArgyle
I hope you're not saying or suggesting something stupid like "we shouldn't be following the Bible." It comes down to who we should believe: a PHD in biblical studies who says one thing about slavery in the Bible or hacks like you who say something different?
Do I even need to explain who a reasonable person should side with?
MrTrilliondollarman 1 month ago
@MrTrilliondollarman That's exactly what I'm suggesting. There's no wisdom or knowledge in the Bible beyond that of the times in which it was written. Its first fallacy appears in its first 50 words!
PhD in biblical studies? How many times do you have to read the same book before someone awards you a PhD (from a Jesuit Catholic college)? The author has been to nothing but bible school his entire life. That's not a very well-rounded/ balanced education. Highly biased I'd say.
ChipArgyle 1 month ago
@ChipArgyle
That is where you are flat out wrong and there is a whole group of scholars that disagree with everything you say.
Highly biased? More like well-rounded in what he's talking about. So clearly, we are to believe him, not you.
MrTrilliondollarman 1 month ago
@MrTrilliondollarman You merely opine and assert that I'm wrong. Again, jumping up and down screaming "I'm right!" doesn't make you so. There's also a whole group of scholars who agree with what I say.
A god can't be immoral if it doesn't exist. A character in a work of fiction can be, however.
ChipArgyle 1 month ago
@ChipArgyle
More like I point out, as the author says, that views such as yours may be supported by village atheists, but not by people who have seriously studied the scriptures.
God is moral, does indeed exist and your stands make no sense.
MrTrilliondollarman 1 month ago
@MrTrilliondollarman It all boils down to this: if your god exists, show him to us. Have him drop by for coffee sometime and work a few miracles for old time's sake. Everyone loves a card trick.
He showed himself directly to numerous people in the Bible and had conversations with them. I demand the same treatment if he wants me to believe in him. It's unreasonable for him do to anything else.
Playing this silly game of "hide from the humans" isn't something an all-powerful being would do.
ChipArgyle 1 month ago
@ChipArgyle
Here's how it's really going to work:
You will admit everything you thought was wrong at worst or at best misguided. Miracles defy what we know about the world..that's why they're called miracles. By the way, do you really expect God to show up even though you treat Him like crap?
The rest is just your own bogus opinion with no basis in fact. I also see you changed the subject rather than admit you're wrong...that shows cowardice.
MrTrilliondollarman 1 month ago
@MrTrilliondollarman Nice ad hominem.
I treat God like crap? Look at the world around you. If he exists, he's gone to great effort to treat us like crap. And no, eating a piece of fruit wasn't worth this mess.
You can't be sure about how "it's really going to work" because there is no evidence to substantiate your beliefs. Your assertion is therefore actually a lie.
You left the slavery subject first. I asked a question and you failed to answer it. Feel free to answer at any time.
ChipArgyle 1 month ago
@ChipArgyle
Not even close to an ad hominem. You did change the subject. That's not a personal attack; that's stating a fact.
I see a world that needs God more than ever...any problem in this world (like HIV, since today is HIV Awareness Day) all boils down to rejecting God. Denying God dying on the cross is not worth all of this.
I have solid proof that my beliefs do work. Your assumption therefore is wrong.
You didn't ask any question I didn't answer. Try again.
MrTrilliondollarman 1 month ago
LOL How 'bout.. I don't believe the Bible (for many reasons) but the caption from 1:43 "however if he was married and/or had children whilst he was a slave, then his master may keep the WIFE AND KIDS AS PROPERTY"... And, for those who haven't read the goddamn bible, that crap IS in there!!!
eajoseph217 3 months ago
@eajoseph217
And for those who have read it, you and this video are both full of shit!!!
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
Angelalynx999....another atheist soundly defeated!!
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Your need for public support and gratification is amusing to me! ^_^
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
More like your stupidity and ignorance doesn't seem to end...;)
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : I've already reduced you to childish insults. Do you really want to talk about stupidity and ignorance? ;)
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
More like you've reduced yourself to a pile of crap.
Pardon me, Miss "Saudi Arabia is part of a nonexistent commission"...yes, I would love to talk about stupidity and ignorance with you.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : And that's ALL you have! :D
So what ARE the consequences to Saudi Arabia for allowing mercy killings? Hmm? Hehe!
Please, call me a stupid bitch some more. With each lame insult you prove more and more that you are my intellectual inferior. ^_^
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
The consequences are the world sees how sick Islam is...yet no such event occurs in Christianity.
Funny how that works, eh?
More like I show how I know better than you and I will continue to know more than you...stupid bitch...;)
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Some consequence. Meanwhile more people die. Obviously there is no god and no objective morals.
Yeah, worse events occur. You guys are no better than muslims.
Obviously you don't. And obviously you NEED the last word so have it. I'm going to go make fun of your idiocy on my channel. You have given us some good stuff to laugh at.
Take care, child molester supporter! ^_^
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Clearly, there must be a God and objective morals since you believe it's wrong.
Christianity built the West...what great civilization did atheism build? Nothing.
You need to get beaten badly and so you have. You have further proven how stupid atheists really are.
Get lost, child killer!!!
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
ROTFL, neither Angel nor I need to lift a finger to beat your ass, because you do such a good job beating yourself. When other Christians see how stupid and vile you are they'll distance themselves from you. You'll be all alone with your other fundie friends.
You clearly don't know about the reforms Napoleon made in Europe. And the Greek, Egyptian, and Roman pagans built the west, Christianity merely stole what they did.
Mectrixctic 3 months ago
@Mectrixctic
Seems more like I beat both of you with barely any effort. Once everyone sees what idiots you both are, they'll drop their foolish atheist notions.
Greek, Egyptian or Roman didn't create the notion of absolute human right or dignity, they didn't create the codified laws of Europe, or the great cathedrals, or the artwork. Christianity built it all--not pagans.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
Lol, you fail history forever.
And I'll take classical art over that midevial rubbish.
Mectrixctic 3 months ago
@Mectrixctic
More like I completely win in the history category.
So when Medieval scholars said "all humans have natural reason", that's just gibberish?
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
I'm more talking about their artwork, which is just cartoony compared to the Greek sculptures..
And your lack of reason prove that that is rubbish. But the greek philosophers came up with that first, so your point is moot.
Mectrixctic 3 months ago
@Mectrixctic
Not so with Fra Angelica's work.
Nice try, but Greek philosophers did no such thing. Most people living in Greece at that time were slaves, and they were not viewed as having the same dignity as free men.
You lost again.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
Fra Angelico was in the Renaissance.
Look up "Natural Law"
Yeah, I think you never heard of the feudal system.
Mectrixctic 3 months ago
@Mectrixctic
Then how do you account for 1000 years of art history?
Natural law...considered the basis for the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
Being in a feudal system does not make one a slave.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
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Mectrixctic 3 months ago
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@MrTrilliondollarman
They got it from the greeks. Or do you not know what renaissance means.
Serfs were virtually slaves.
Thomas Jefferson was a Deist, as were many of the founding fathers.
Tell, me, how many atheists friends do you have? None I bet since you're a bigoted moron. I'm friends with several Christians on youtube and we manage to have intelligent conversations. You, are just a miserable wretch.
Mectrixctic 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman What's the difference between surfdom and slavery? Enlighten me please
Keinlicht 2 months ago
@Keinlicht
first off, it's serfdom, not surfdom. Second of all, serfs are tied to a land; slaves are tied to their masters.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman Oooh I get it and that makes it totally different
Keinlicht 2 months ago
@Keinlicht
actually, it is. Being a serf allowed you to expand what was yours...not so under slavery.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman Right because slavery is defined by what one can own, not how one works
Keinlicht 2 months ago
@Keinlicht
Or...your definition made no sense to begin with.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman I'd say slavery is when a person is compelled by an external and artificial force to do work.
..and that makes no sense to you?
Keinlicht 2 months ago
@Keinlicht
No, it doesn't. Slavery means no freedom. By your stand, anyone who works for a paycheck counts as a slave.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman So if you gave a slave the freedom to choose rice or wheat to eat he wouldn't be a slave?
After all he has SOME freedom, right?
And yeah, anyone who works for a paycheck (including myself) is some kind of slave.
Keinlicht 2 months ago
@Keinlicht
Not what was said.
If you think that, then you just go along with it anyway and your complaints come to nothing.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman No, that's exactly what you said. No freedom = slavery. Therefore, some freedom ≠ slavery. If not, then at what point does a person have enough freedom to not be considered a slave?
I don't have much choice in the matter. Our society works on wage slavery. If I don't work, I starve. I don't go along with it on my own free will.
Keinlicht 2 months ago
@Keinlicht
Not even close to what I said. You're comparing working for wages being equal to slavery in the Bible. LOVE..JUST LOVE... to break it to you, but they're not the same thing.
Quit your atheist babbling, dumbass.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman Then what did you say? You still haven't answered my question, when does a person have enough freedom not to be considered a slave?
I never said they were the same thing. Neither did I say I was an atheist. I just LOVE how you can say I misquoted you, while misquoting me.. in the same comment.
Keinlicht 2 months ago
@Keinlicht
I'm saying what this video says is a lie. That's not what the Bible teaches about slavery.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman Ah, I see you've given up on our argument then. Good day.
Keinlicht 2 months ago
@Keinlicht
I see you're a complete idiot then. Get lost, stupid troll.
MrTrilliondollarman 2 months ago
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@MrTrilliondollarman Maybe you should take your own advice jackass. Everything you've ever said on this thread is dead wrong and if you don't reply in the next 24 hours, you would of just admitted that you were dead wrong and that you are also @CultCowboy.
incomprehensible14 2 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman
Angel is a stupid bitch? Well, you got PWN'd by Angel. That makes you the stupider bitch.
Mectrixctic 3 months ago
@Mectrixctic
Nope...I beat that stupid bitch and I'll beat your ass too.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
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Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
I like it when atheists like you go "uh...der!!" Marvel at atheist stupidity!!!
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Feeling the Jesus love! :p
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Smelling the atheist crap!!! ;)
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : With representatives like you your god doesn't need doubters! ;)
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
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@Angelalynx999
With atheists like you, no wonder more people are turning to God...;)
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
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@MrTrilliondollarman : Feeling the Jesus love! :p
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
So...this video is crap, it leaves out too much information and doesn't even bother to be even the least bit honest.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
YAH KNOE I JUST DONT THNK THAT SLAVERY IS THE RIGHT CAREER PATH FOR MEH!
TMBrd89 3 months ago
Is that Eddie the head?
AT777T 3 months ago
where you get you historical credentiuals? As I suppose form some kind of "invisible firiend"... BS^3.
NSGJanusz 3 months ago
This video...is...idiotic!!!
Does any biblical scholar agree with anything this video says?
No.
So why believe it in the first place? You shouldn't.
MrTrilliondollarman 4 months ago
words fail me.
canu2u 4 months ago
Very funny! I love apologists who try to justify the owning of another human. And next up is justifiable homicide! And then they will start to kill all others who don't believe what they believe... wait, haven't I heard this story before. ;P
Angelalynx999 4 months ago 3
@Angelalynx999
yeah..it's called the story of atheism.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : There is no "story" of atheism. Atheism is merely the lack of belief in a god. No one in the history of the world has enslaved or killed another in the name of, or for the glory of, no god. Now can the same be said for religions? No. And not just the Abrahamic religions either.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
I have atheist nations called the USSR, North Korea, Cuba and the French Revolution that pretty much made humans into slaves, if not in name than in practice.
So, you were saying?
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : And the motto's of those countries and movements speak about how great that there is no god and... wait... they don't? Not a single one? In fact every one you mentioned with the exception of the French Revolution (not sure where that one came from) has a cult of personality at it's center which is a lot like a religion.
Like so many idiot theists, you seem to be confusing the people who where atheist with the movement and country around them.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Cult of personality? My, my...you've been reading Hitchen's crap too much.
No..the truth is each and every one of those removed God from their nation and suffered as a result. The USSR's constitution used the phrase "separation of church and state."
Like so many atheist morons, you believed whatever you were told as long as it made religion look bad.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : I have not read a single Hitchens book so your assertion to save face from not knowing what a cult of personality is, is pathetic.
How can a nonexistent being be removed from anything?
Your assumptions are wrong. Perhaps you should ask me what I believe rather than assume what I belief. But that would be a lot of work asking all of those questions and we all know that people who don't want to look for answers go to religion to be TOLD what the answers are.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Actually, it's dead on accurate: this is exactly Hitchen's explanation for those nations.
First off, they based it on the foolish assumption God doesn't exist...not existing? What a foolish idea.
Told what the answers are? What about all those who came to religion, in particular Christianity, because they found religion's answers made sense? Ever thought of that?
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman "God did it" answers nothing. There is nothing in Christianity that answers anything about reality. It was made up by people who had no clue how many continents there were. By people who had no clue just how vast the universe was around them. Christianity is merely were the weak, gullible, and stupid go to feel better about their place in the world and to be filled with false hopes and promises that will ONLY be fulfilled when they die. It's a great racket, full of trickery.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
"Just because" answers even less. There is no redeeming quality to atheism whatsoever. It was made up by people who dont bother to think. Atheism is nothing more than the opiate of the morally and intellectually deficient. We will be much better off once atheism is gone for good.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : "Just because" is a theistic saying, not an atheistic one. "I don't know" would be an atheistic saying since not knowing is not a bad thing. However proclaiming knowledge without evidence to back it up is dishonest.
Atheists are better people than theists, this is demonstrable. More scientists are atheist than theist so your assertions are still absurd.
Yes, so people can get back to killing each other over which god is the "real" one. Nice future you envision...
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Wrong again. Theists don't answer "why is there a universe?" with that answer. That's how atheists answer it.
Not knowing is bad thing...just look at you.
Atheists are more dishonest, engage in more questionable behaviors, are less likely to marry or have as many children as theists. About half of all scientists are theists.
Yeah...let's go back to "how dare you question our atheist leader? To the firing squad with you."
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Why is there a universe? Because the big bang happened. Is that a "just because"? No.
See? You need to have an answer for everything even if that answer answers nothing. Not knowing scares you. Ignorance is not a bad thing. Let go of your fear and join us in the search for the truth.
Atheists have less divorce rates too. ;)
Not the top scientists. They are 85% atheist. Very telling, don't you think?
What atheist leader? We have no "leader".
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
The question was "why", not "how".
Seems like English scares you to death. You can keep your atheist ignorance...it's for fools who don't bother to think.
The divorce rates of religious is certainly less than atheists...mostly because atheists don't marry anyway.
Scientists are only 20% atheist, not 85%. I have a source for mine.
Stalin wasn't an atheist leader? Nor Mao or Pol Pot? Not the type of people I'd want to be paired with.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Why is there a universe? Because the big bang happened. Watch the lecture by Lawrence Krauss on the universe from nothing and he can explain the why in greater detail.
I thought about if a god actually existed. I search for evidence to show it exists. I found none. I concluded that there were no gods. That is not thinking to you? o.O
Nope, Christian divorce rates are higher by about 5%.
Really? Show me your source then.
I'm not paired with them at all so your point fails.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Again, that's the how, not the why.
No...that's being pretty lazy. So you looked at all the evidence? I doubt that very much.
Christian divorce is very low...turns out the spouted figure came about through sketchy math.
My stand stands stronger than ever.
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MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Nope, it's the why. There was a super dense singularity of energy and it expanded and formed the universe. Why is there a universe? Because the big bang happened.
Since there was just arguments from ignorance, personal experiences, and emotional arguments it was easy to see that "god" was completely subjective and therefore nonexistent given the attributes that it was claimed to have.
Yup, Christian website with no study details. Typical. And untrustworthy.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Wrong. It's the how. The origin of the universe is the manner, not the reason, so the correct word is how.
Since you have nothing more than your own opinions which count for jack shit (plus they did cite their sources), your objection is rejected, their claim stands and you lose.
Yup...atheist moron with nothing to offer...so sad.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : How was the universe formed? That gets into complex physics that I don't know. As for why, see answers below.
And you have nothing but your opinions and the that of a Christian website which is suspect and untrustworthy. So I guess we are at an impasse. That is also typical. Reason, logic, and critical thinking are not something valued by the religious so how can I convince you using reason, logic, and critical thought?
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
How-defined as in what way or manner
why-defined as for what? for what reason, cause, or purpose?
So the REAL answer is how, not why.
The website doesn't call itself Christian, so don't know HOW you got that idea or WHY it's even relevant.
You don't seem to grasp language, facts or conclusions so..you have no chance here.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Let me ask you a few questions to get an idea of who I'm talking to.
Are you a Christian?
If yes, do you consider your god to be your lord and master, owner of you in every way?
If yes, do you like this relationship with your god?
If yes, do you encourage others to have a similar relationship with your god?
If you are not a Christian, are you a theist and what religion, if any, do you follow?
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
I am what you call Christian Original Recipe....the same Christianity taught by those who were taught by Christ's Apostles.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Very well, since you refuse to answer the questions I'll fill in the blanks for you. You are a slave to your god concept. You believe yourself to be wholly the property of this god who owns you completely. You enjoy being a slave and want others to be slaves to your god as well. Therefore, it is utterly pointless to discuss the wrongness of slavery to a person who WANTS and RELISHES being a slave.
Thank you for the reinforcement that Christianity MUST be destroyed. ;)
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
HAHAHAAHHAAA!!!
You are a hoot, you know that? Where to begin to tear everything you said apart?
First off, I am a servant of God. Slave and servant are not the same thing. Second of all, even if I was a slave to God, better that than a slave of atheist ignorance like you. Third, that is quite a bit of hot air and specious reasoning you got there.
Thanks for showing atheism must be thrown into the dustbin of history!!
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman I gave you a chance to answer my questions, you refused. If you don't like my sum up then you should have answered the questions. Blaming me for your shortcomings is utterly typical of a person who is not in touch with reality.
I am ignorant of many things. But I can and do learn so your assertion that I am somehow a slave is absurd.
Atheism is growing faster each year. Soon the churches will be empty. Your ilk cannot compete with free information and advanced science. ^_^
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
You had a chance to prove you're not a total idiot and you blew it. Nice going.
Projecting your failures on others doesn't make you look any smarter.
Your claim of slavery was bogus from the very beginning.
Atheism is dying. According to UN reports, fewer than 1% of the world is atheist. Churches are thriving and will thrive much more come this Christmas...and atheists aren't invited!!! Yay!!!
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : I don't need to prove my intelligence to you since I've already proven it to anyone watching. You have nothing but baseless assertions.
1% of the world? Wrong. Get your facts from non-Christian websites and from REAL studies if you want to be intelligent but I already know that you won't since you just want to believe in your imaginary friend because it makes you feel better. Christians are pathetic and weak.
Only those who question everything will learn what is real.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
You proved nothing except your own ignorance. So the UN doesn't have any real studies?
You should get your facts straight, though that's doubtful. Atheists are morons who can't get things right.
Only those who believe in absolute right and wrong will ever know reality....and atheists don't believe in those.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : You do realize that atheists are the most diverse group on the planet, right? No, actually i doubt that you knew that. Vague, general statements are all you can muster. ;)
There are no absolutes. Right and wrong are completely subjective to the person. We know why our society has certain acts as right and certain acts as wrong. The "atheists don't have morals" argument is pathetically weak and thoroughly debunked many times over. Next fallacy please.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
No...the most diverse group are Roman Catholics. Atheists are quite genetically homogenous.
If your statement was true, then we can't hold it as absolute, but you're implying we should, which makes your stand self-refuting.
Next crap from you?
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Really? Atheists can be republicans, democrats, green party, libertarian, for abortion, against abortion, supporting of homosexual marriage, against homosexual marriage, believers of the supernatural and aliens, secular humanists, be of ANY race or culture, ets. The list is almost endless. Catholics are FAR less diverse.
So you disagree that morals are subjective? Try it and see. Name a moral that is objective and you'll find it's actually subjective.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Wrong again. Atheists are most likely to be socialists, communists, Norwegian shooters, supporters of bogus ideas that no one supports...believers in aliens? You couldn't do any better than that? Laws against cold-blooded murder are not subjective...every nation has a prohibition on it.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman "Atheists are most likely to be socialists, communists" - Certification needed.
"Norwegian shooters" - He was a Christian.
"believers in aliens?" - Never heard of Railians, huh? Knowledge is power and you seem to have very little of it. That is a pity...
"Laws against cold-blooded murder are not subjective...every nation has a prohibition on it. " - And yet, in some middle east countries, it is LEGAL to kill if it is a "mercy killing". Murder is subjective.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Any Christians or Muslims who support socialism? Nope.
Railians? HAHAAHAHAHAAaAAAAA!! Soundly rejected.
And your example? Wrong again. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights forbids such a practice, and that's a written example of objective law.
You lose again.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Yes, there are. One Christian is running for president.
Railians believe in aliens but not a god so they are atheists who believe in aliens. Your rejection is absurd.
Research mercy killings in Sharia law that have been carried out in Middle Eastern countries if you doubt me. I don't mind, the knowledge is out there. But the fact that there are mercy killings in cold blood shows murder to be subjective to the culture and therefore not objective. I win. ;)
Goodbye.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
A Christian may be running but that doesnt make them a socialist.
Railians are a joke, proposing an idea that no one believes. Do try a lot harder.
Actually, you lose big time. Murder in cold blood is not tolerated and countries that allow it are notorious human rights violators, based on OBJECTIVE morality.
You lost...:0
Get lost.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Your naivety and lack of knowledge is very amusing! Thanks for the laughs! I think I'll add some of your comments to my wall of fame!
Ah, I love whooping the ass of a clueless Christian! ^_^
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Your ignorance and stupidity are sickening. I think you'll get thrown in to the dustbin like all other atheist hacks.
How do you spell that group again?.....that's what I thought.
Dumbass atheist...loved beating the crap out of you.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Wow, you have so many idiotic comments to choose from, how to choose the best out of all of this gold? That's going to be a hard one but I'm sure I'll find the best one. Hehe. ;)
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
And you will most likely show what little you really know and just flat out lie...and that's exactly what you did...
Saudi Arabia wasn't part of the UN when the Declaration was written and there is no commission on human rights anymore, idiot.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Regardless, an unenforced law is not an objective law. And besides, a law against something doesn't make it immoral. Here, jay walking is against the law but is crossing the street immoral?
Research mercy killings and then try to tell me that those killed (mostly women) where not murdered in cold blood. Then perhaps you will realize that there is no objective ban on murder and that morals are subjective. But you won't because it goes against your faith. As I said, typical.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Enforcement is the not the issue...the issue is if there is such a thing as subjective law and the answer is no.
Look up Declaration of Human Rights and tell me it's just subjective, since all sources on it say it's objective.
But you will never admit to being wrong...as I said, typical atheist dumbass.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Of course enforcement is the issue! Saying that something is wrong and allowing people to do it anyway is a form of acceptance! The Declaration can say anything but unless it's enforced it is not an example of an objective moral since the people refusing to follow it show it to be subjective!
And all laws are subjective to the culture which enforces them. Some my be similar, but the very nature of humans prevent them from being anything other than subjective.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Enforcement has nothing to do with this.
Tell me again Saudi Arabia is part of a nonexistent commission again.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : So I'm not up to date on current UN politics. So sue me. However that does not invalidate what I've said. Have you looked into mercy killings yet? If not, why are you so resistant? Is it because you suspect that I'm right and it would show the ban on murder to be subjective and thereby invalidate your claim that only those who know absolutely (objective) right and wrong know about reality? Hmm?
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Actually, it does invalidate everything you said. Saudi Arabia had no hand in the creation of the Declaration and the commission you claimed they were a part of no longer exists.
so...admit you're wrong or be dubbed a liar.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Fine, Saudi Arabia wasn't a part of writing the declaration. However, they still don't follow it so it's not objective. You seem to be confusing the existence of a piece of paper with the application of the laws within. An objective ban is not an objective ban when several countries don't obey the ban. I'm not sure why this point seems to allude you...
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Actually, it does follow. It's considered a written example of objective law. You can even look it up yourself. You seem to not be able to come to terms with the fact you're wrong.
People not obeying have nothing to do with whether something is objective. Don't know why you dont get that.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Law =/= moral.
And an objective moral means it's right or wrong for EVERYONE. If just ONE person doesn't agree it's NOT objective. You seem to think that since a bunch of people got together and said that murder is wrong that it's then objectively immoral when I have given you an example of how it is NOT objectively immoral since it is LEGAL to murder in some countries. These are called mercy killings. Look them up, if you DARE!
Yeah, we're done here.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Law is moral when based in reason.
Morals are not based on a person's subjective opinion. You don't get to break a law because you don't feel like following it.
Yeah...you lost big time.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Law =/= moral. Jay walking is not immoral, just illegal. Speeding is not immoral, just illegal.
Of course you can break a law because you don't feel like following it. It's just then you'll have to face the consequences, if any. Laws are subjective TO THE CULTURE. I love how you leave out key points in my arguments! ^_^
Lost? Then why do I pity you?
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Yet none of those change the fact they are wrong to do because they are illogical.
Since you now admit they're consequences, you just refuted your own stand.
Pity? Because you're full of crap??
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Illogical? Are you sure that's the word you want to use?
Generally, breaking the law is wrong, however it is not objectively wrong since there are instances where breaking the law can be a good thing. The obeying of laws is subjective and laws =/= morals as I've demonstrated.
And what consequences are Middle Eastern countries who have legalized murder subject to?
Yup, pity. You struggle to understand concepts that I easily understand and for that I pity you.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Yeap..nothing you say makes any logical sense.
Only when the law is illogical is it okay to break it.
The consequences are people finding out how sick Islam is...but note no such thing occurs in Christianity.
So...yeah, what you say is bullshit. You don't understand much of anything.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman "Only when the law is illogical is it okay to break it." - Bingo! Laws are subjectively followed. Thank you for proving my point! ^_^
Yeah, Christians just molest children, blow up abortion clinics, kill abortion doctors, and protest at soldier's funerals. That's SO much better. :p
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Once again, you missed the point...illogical...now how can that be determined? By objective morality only. There is no such thing as subjective morality.
Atheists blow up cathedrals, shoot their opponents in the head, make women into sex toys, hack people to death, and demean all they come in contact with...how sickening.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : You have a different idea of what is moral than I do. Morals are ONLY subjective.
And yet the majority of people in prison are Christians. How strange is that? ;)
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
You have the exact same ones I do...so objective.
That "stat" has since been found to be based on false assumptions and tricky math.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : I don't think slavery is right, you do. I don't think homosexuality is wrong, you likely do. I support homosexual marriage, you likely don't. Exact same? I think not.
What stat? There are more Christians in the US than atheists, yes? So even if the number are across the board that would mean that there are more Christians in prison than atheists.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
When did I say slavery was right? That would be never.
Homosexuality is wrong in every way, shape and form. The only reason you disagree is because you don't bother to think.
The study didn't look at when the person became Christian, which skews the numbers. It's possible they converted through the many prison ministries in existence.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : By the way, I admit to being wrong all the time. I don't know everything and when I'm shown to be wrong I correct the error and move on. That's how humans learn. However, I only admit that I'm wrong when I'm actually wrong. ;)
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Really? Why can't you admit you got how and why wrong?
Clearly, you are very wrong on this one.
So, admit you're wrong.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Because I didn't get how and why wrong. Not in that instance. I even explained it to you in detail. It's not my fault you can't seem to understand the answer.
Let me give you another one similar to your question. In quantum mechanics if you have nothing you'll get something. So if you asked "why is there something?", I could say "because there was nothing." and that would be an answer to the "why". It is a complicated concept so I shouldn't expect you to grasp it.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Actually, you did get them wrong. I can keep posting definitions until you finally admit it.
We're talking about basic English here....which you don't seem very familiar with.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Ok, so be it. You don't like the answer so rather than rephrase the question you simply state that I don't understand the difference between how and why. Ignoring the fact that the "why" I answered is a physics "why" and the "why" you wanted me to answer is a philosophical "why". But hey, let's not let details and facts get in the way of a good, old fashioned, preconceived hatred!
Look me up when you figure out how to phrase your questions to get the answers you seek.
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
So you still don't get the difference between how and why? Oh, well..
Good old fashioned preconceived hatred? You mean yours?
Come back when you've grown a a brain and a pair.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Which how and which why? ;)
I have hatred for you? No, no, that's pity.
Oh, you mean a brain that can relate to average intelligence people like you? ;)
And I'm a girl and my pair are bigger than yours. :p
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
No...that's bullshit.
Once again, you just don't understand basic English.
More like your brain can get beaten by a dog.
You're a stupid bitch who has an awful grasp of English.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Thank you! This post just proved to me that my psychoanalysis of you is spot on! Ok, I think I'm now done with you. You may go. ^_^
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Wrong...my post corrected all the crap you put on here.
Typical atheist....doesn't bother to look into anything that proves them wrong....;)
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : You're still here? I said you could go. Thank you for your hatred, I shall treasure it always. ;)
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
You're still talking? Stupid bitch...don't you know when to shut up?
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Sorry dude, I don't follow your misogynistic ideals of what a woman should and shouldn't do. I have a voice and I'm going to use it. Don't like it? Tough! ^_^
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
So instead you follow your intellectual heir the Marque DeSade..who said women are nothing more than she-wolves who "belong to whoever wishes to ravage her"?
Can't handle the truth? Too damn bad.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : More assumptions, eh? Too funny!
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Yes...your assumptions are VERY funny...because they're so damn stupid.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
Also, it's spelled Raelians, not Railians. And I thought you were logical. Don't worry...I will NEVER view you as having any intelligence ever again.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman Check out my channel for your comment listed for all to see. A shining example of Christian idiocy! ^_^
I'm glad I could sicken you. I hope you feel as bad as possible. Me, on the other hand, I'm laughing my ass off at your lack of even basic knowledge. Don't worry, me and the rest of the "dumbass atheists" will make the progress that makes your life better. You'll never thank us for it but you will owe it to us nonetheless. ;)
Goodnight my Clueless Christian! ^_^
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
And lookie there....I just refuted everything you just said...and on your home page too!!
Oh, don't bother trying to remove it...It's now on my page.
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : *yawn*
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
What's the difference between how and why, according to you?
MrTrilliondollarman 3 months ago
@MrTrilliondollarman : Let me take you back to your question. You asked "Why is there a universe?". I answered you: "Because the big bang happened.". Now if you had asked "Why was the universe created?" then that would have been a completely different answer. If you don't like the answer to a question perhaps it's because you are not asking the right questions. Now, knowing this, would you like to phrase your question differently?
Angelalynx999 3 months ago
@Angelalynx999
You did not answer. You got how mixed up with why. Must I post the definitions again?
It doesn't matter how I phrased it...you don't know what why means.
Would you like to admit you still don't know?