where can a person acquire a millbank bag? Are they readily available to purchase. What is the material's mesh rated at...what micron rating is it? I have been told that the millbank bag like the one in the video is 5-7 micron...is this true?
The days of WWII are long gone, so just buy a 1 micron filter fleece off ebay, it's cheap (cheaper than millbank bag) and filters out all bacteria and cysts.
help please if i drank accidentally just a little drink of lake water that the water don't move around like a river is just around plants and mud, will that get me sick or be bad for me, or it will go away after i digest that?
if you come home without the trots- you boiled it long enough! simple stuff people. oh yeah- unless your in the sahara or some shit like that, fuel is NOT precious. the whole damn forest is made of it. green horns
"According to the Wilderness Medical Society, water temperatures above 160° F (70° C) kill all pathogens within 30 minutes and above 185° F (85° C) within a few minutes. So in the time it takes for the water to reach the boiling point (212° F or 100° C) from 160° F (70° C), all pathogens will be killed, even at high altitude."
@rhart1964 Jesus, could you be more rude? Would you say 'I dont give a shit that you that you made a video or that you make a living instructing' to him in person, or do you just have no social skills when you get on the computer?
MacCairnie, Survival is very serious topic. This is a very important topic where I feel people should have thier facts straight. As I said, that Millbanks bag does nothing more than your sock would. And, if anything is going to die from boiling water, it will do so at the boiling point. No need to use precious fuel over boiling.
In the essence of respect however, I will remove my rude comment. I wouldnt want to insult that fine looking lab.
@rhart1964 Hah! It IS quite a nice lab, now that you mention it.
And I do agree with you that anything killed by boiling water is probably dead by the time the water reaches a rolling boil, because the water will have reached 100 C quite a bit BEFORE it begins to evaporate- after a substance has the energy needed for a change in state, it requires more energy to actually make the change.
... Water in particular requires a substantial amount of energy to make the transition to gas. Thus, the water spends quite a bit of time at about 100 C before making it into a rolling boil, so any bacteria are probably dead.
That being said, I'd love for someone to do a proper study on it to find out for sure.
Good vid, but lots of misinformation in the comments below. As soon as you have a rolling boil, the water is as sterile as it's going to get. Any additional time is just a waste of fuel, but if it makes you feel better, knock yourself out :) On the other hand, I wouldn't rely on boiling to remove pesticides... yikes. Sterile poison is still poison... Still the system in the video is a good one, filter to remove "big" stuff, boil or tablets to kill microscopic stuff.
What you have not taken into account is this is a Bushcraft film and unlike the gortex worriors which you seem to be one of, is that we do not have the modern filters with us. Further upstream there is live stock which may carry cists, which are only 2 to 3 microns( a micron is 1000th of a mm therefore very small and well capable of living in water that has been boiled for a short time hence we boil for longer.
"'Well capable of living in water that has been boiled a short time" What are you basing this on? In the video you advise to boil for "one minute, two minutes... five minutes". Which one? Why stop there, why not boil for ten minutes? Fifteen? How do I know when to have that warm fuzzy feeling that all is well?
It's simply my assertion that any microscopic organism, "cysts", whatever, is dead by the time you reach a rolling boil. Agree, disagree, or continue to call me names if you like.
@gawletap You can also fill up the back with left over charcoal...peet...and straw and it will help filter it out even further. I'm sure you knew that though.
I was wondering what kind of jacket/ coat/ anorak you're wearing in this video. I am currently looking for an all weather shell to use for almost every season, for hiking, camping, hunting, bushcraft etc.
Its called a Swazi coat. I sell them they are expensive but very very good. If you require more details drop me a line either through you tube or better still through my web site and i can send you all the details
Right or Wrong why is it someone always has to get on & make comments that essentially are an attempt to say how smart they are compared to everyone else. In reality they are either disguising an inferiority complex & seek signifigance or quite plainly they're an egotist w/ a highly misguided superiority complex. This video is just to inform at an awareness level about SURVIVAL not living in the bush. The Doctorate or microscope aren't required.
You totally misunderstood my comment. Read it again. I was talking about the jackasses that get on here and talk a bunch of crap... I think all his vids are good.
HAHAHA!! jimeronimo, I apologize wholeheartedly. I did mis read your comment and find you very spot on now that you have cleared it up for me. I confussed comments the with video posted, I'm a newbie to youtube, I'll remove my comment. Peace
Good vid. Sounds like that guy Raynkar read Bill Tuthill's 1989 water purification paper? 50 years ago I had no money for Millbanks but our bank then had small white canvas bags for coins. After a good hot-washing they were great for filtering out most big nasty stuff. Then I let the water sit to see what else may settle out and boiled the clear stuff. A few minutes of rapid boil and I felt it was safe. OR I used some drops of bleach and let it sit in the sun a while to act. I survived it okay
Hi monbobmaster. Why would I want to make a vid. I already teach this stuff for a living.
Oh by the way, have you made videos of all the things you know...Thought not!
I am not going to force you to know how to do things properly. If you want to live in ignorance of the correct facts then that is entirely up to you, it's just that some folks want to do things so that they actually work
So are you saying a millbank WILL remove herbicides and pesticides. Are you saying it WILL remove causitives in SPOOR form, Does it say it will do any of those on it's instructions..Answer..NO.
Are you seriously advising people that only five minutes of boiling will kill Giardia and cryptosporidium etc?.
You say I don't know what I am talking about, but I am only repeating the facts as UK MOD/government scientists see them, perhaps you think that they are all wrong too!
Hi Gawletap, do you care to explain which of the things I said were wrong. Are you expressing your personal opinion, or official, and tested times and criteria like I was. I would have mentioned I am qualified instructor (specialising in water acquisition and purification, but did not have the room. As stated: sea level boil time is 7 minutes, and herbicides and pesticides (chemicals) are invisible to the naked eye, and need micro filtration, not a millbank bag.
Another typical youtube video. The filming was good, and your voice was clear, but sadly many of your facts are completely wrong!
The millbank bag WILL NOT remove chemicals from water, only debris. So using one of these in rural areas of the UK won't remove pesticides or herbicides from water. Also boiling water for five minutes WILL NOT sterilize it. At sea level, water has to be boiled for at least seven minutes, and one extra minute for every 1000ft above this.
Good vid yet again, quick question though; have got one myself that I have used for a couple of years now. Seems to still do the job okay as I always boil the water afterwards, however, does the fabric degenerate at all (mine still looks in A1 condition) if so, what timescale are you looking at to replace a bag? thanks
If you fill this to the brim it allows time for the water on the outside of the bag to drain away which is unfiltered, it is also a measure so if you wish you can put an ammount of irodine, remember this is a very crude canvas filter and the water will still require sterilizing, before it is safe to drink. But it will take away large foriegn bodies ie animal droppings etc.
Great video. I'd never heard of a millbank before. What's the purpose of the fill line? Just to keep water from spilling over the top? Does the weight of too much water keep the filter from working properly?
Love these vids! Got a millbank bag after watching but when I tested it out the water was discoloured by the bag, it had turned green. Do you have any thoughts about this? Should I wash it in my washer before I use it?
Wise words, good vid, the simplest ideas are often the best. Would you say its best to put the sterilising tab in the Millbank bag, is this best practise? does that make the water taste better?
If i were to use sterilising tablets i would put them in the billy can to ensure the best effect, but i prefer to boil water where ever possible as its safer and tastes better.
nice video
waterfiltersystems1 7 months ago
if you boil the water afterwards, how long do you have to boil it for and will it kill any and all bacteria in it ?
eyez1227 8 months ago
Gawletap,
where can a person acquire a millbank bag? Are they readily available to purchase. What is the material's mesh rated at...what micron rating is it? I have been told that the millbank bag like the one in the video is 5-7 micron...is this true?
BarefootsChild 9 months ago
I feel like I trust what he's saying more just because of that British accent.
lureyourkidsinvan 10 months ago
Have not seen a millbank bag in US or Canada nice video
winnipegdiver 1 year ago
All you blowhards who come one here and proceed to shred expert advice should be posting videos instead; those who can:do, those who can't:complain.
threepercenter03 1 year ago
Awesome accent!
pritchettpj 1 year ago
The days of WWII are long gone, so just buy a 1 micron filter fleece off ebay, it's cheap (cheaper than millbank bag) and filters out all bacteria and cysts.
tulius01 1 year ago
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help please if i drank accidentally just a little drink of lake water that the water don't move around like a river is just around plants and mud, will that get me sick or be bad for me, or it will go away after i digest that?
elgoose2003 1 year ago
if you come home without the trots- you boiled it long enough! simple stuff people. oh yeah- unless your in the sahara or some shit like that, fuel is NOT precious. the whole damn forest is made of it. green horns
briargoatkilla 1 year ago
you can... but i don't recomand it at all. & you must boil that water lator. the water souce must be very good there. . this system isn't all mighty.
maxinpains 1 year ago
"According to the Wilderness Medical Society, water temperatures above 160° F (70° C) kill all pathogens within 30 minutes and above 185° F (85° C) within a few minutes. So in the time it takes for the water to reach the boiling point (212° F or 100° C) from 160° F (70° C), all pathogens will be killed, even at high altitude."
SurvieEnForet 1 year ago
I live in the US and have ordered products from you in the past. I simply cannot find a Milbank bag. Is there a good place in the UK to order one?
OldManGlitch 2 years ago
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rhart1964 2 years ago
@rhart1964 Jesus, could you be more rude? Would you say 'I dont give a shit that you that you made a video or that you make a living instructing' to him in person, or do you just have no social skills when you get on the computer?
MacCairnie 2 years ago
MacCairnie, Survival is very serious topic. This is a very important topic where I feel people should have thier facts straight. As I said, that Millbanks bag does nothing more than your sock would. And, if anything is going to die from boiling water, it will do so at the boiling point. No need to use precious fuel over boiling.
In the essence of respect however, I will remove my rude comment. I wouldnt want to insult that fine looking lab.
rhart1964 2 years ago
@rhart1964 Hah! It IS quite a nice lab, now that you mention it.
And I do agree with you that anything killed by boiling water is probably dead by the time the water reaches a rolling boil, because the water will have reached 100 C quite a bit BEFORE it begins to evaporate- after a substance has the energy needed for a change in state, it requires more energy to actually make the change.
MacCairnie 2 years ago
... Water in particular requires a substantial amount of energy to make the transition to gas. Thus, the water spends quite a bit of time at about 100 C before making it into a rolling boil, so any bacteria are probably dead.
That being said, I'd love for someone to do a proper study on it to find out for sure.
MacCairnie 2 years ago
Good vid, but lots of misinformation in the comments below. As soon as you have a rolling boil, the water is as sterile as it's going to get. Any additional time is just a waste of fuel, but if it makes you feel better, knock yourself out :) On the other hand, I wouldn't rely on boiling to remove pesticides... yikes. Sterile poison is still poison... Still the system in the video is a good one, filter to remove "big" stuff, boil or tablets to kill microscopic stuff.
shad0h027 2 years ago
What you have not taken into account is this is a Bushcraft film and unlike the gortex worriors which you seem to be one of, is that we do not have the modern filters with us. Further upstream there is live stock which may carry cists, which are only 2 to 3 microns( a micron is 1000th of a mm therefore very small and well capable of living in water that has been boiled for a short time hence we boil for longer.
gawletap 2 years ago
"'Well capable of living in water that has been boiled a short time" What are you basing this on? In the video you advise to boil for "one minute, two minutes... five minutes". Which one? Why stop there, why not boil for ten minutes? Fifteen? How do I know when to have that warm fuzzy feeling that all is well?
It's simply my assertion that any microscopic organism, "cysts", whatever, is dead by the time you reach a rolling boil. Agree, disagree, or continue to call me names if you like.
shad0h027 2 years ago
@gawletap You can also fill up the back with left over charcoal...peet...and straw and it will help filter it out even further. I'm sure you knew that though.
Cstrife234 1 year ago
@shad0h027 thats true for sea level and stuff but above sea level and below varys boiling time
Darkarch87 1 year ago
Great tip!...Thanks!
usergently 2 years ago
Because it comes from a parachute
richiegg123 2 years ago
whys it called para cord ?
goundry07 2 years ago
A Steripen would work well too.
quakerlyster 2 years ago
Hi gawletap,
I was wondering what kind of jacket/ coat/ anorak you're wearing in this video. I am currently looking for an all weather shell to use for almost every season, for hiking, camping, hunting, bushcraft etc.
Thanks
adam9274 2 years ago
Its called a Swazi coat. I sell them they are expensive but very very good. If you require more details drop me a line either through you tube or better still through my web site and i can send you all the details
gawletap 2 years ago
Why using a millbank when you could just scoop your bowl or cup into the water itself and use the iodine?
NosoCOMINSOON 2 years ago
the millbank filters all large material from the water,
the iodine or boiling kills off the microbes but woudlnt remove any debris
spr00sem00se 2 years ago 2
Right or Wrong why is it someone always has to get on & make comments that essentially are an attempt to say how smart they are compared to everyone else. In reality they are either disguising an inferiority complex & seek signifigance or quite plainly they're an egotist w/ a highly misguided superiority complex. This video is just to inform at an awareness level about SURVIVAL not living in the bush. The Doctorate or microscope aren't required.
I appreciated them. Thx for your efforts!
jimeronimo 2 years ago
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Mswayward 2 years ago
You totally misunderstood my comment. Read it again. I was talking about the jackasses that get on here and talk a bunch of crap... I think all his vids are good.
jimeronimo 2 years ago
HAHAHA!! jimeronimo, I apologize wholeheartedly. I did mis read your comment and find you very spot on now that you have cleared it up for me. I confussed comments the with video posted, I'm a newbie to youtube, I'll remove my comment. Peace
Mswayward 2 years ago
Beautiful dog
se77u 2 years ago
nice dog
killerdonkeyonfire 2 years ago
Good vid. Sounds like that guy Raynkar read Bill Tuthill's 1989 water purification paper? 50 years ago I had no money for Millbanks but our bank then had small white canvas bags for coins. After a good hot-washing they were great for filtering out most big nasty stuff. Then I let the water sit to see what else may settle out and boiled the clear stuff. A few minutes of rapid boil and I felt it was safe. OR I used some drops of bleach and let it sit in the sun a while to act. I survived it okay
Rivieratime 2 years ago
Hi monbobmaster. Why would I want to make a vid. I already teach this stuff for a living.
Oh by the way, have you made videos of all the things you know...Thought not!
I am not going to force you to know how to do things properly. If you want to live in ignorance of the correct facts then that is entirely up to you, it's just that some folks want to do things so that they actually work
raynkar 2 years ago
Hi Gawletap.
So are you saying a millbank WILL remove herbicides and pesticides. Are you saying it WILL remove causitives in SPOOR form, Does it say it will do any of those on it's instructions..Answer..NO.
Are you seriously advising people that only five minutes of boiling will kill Giardia and cryptosporidium etc?.
You say I don't know what I am talking about, but I am only repeating the facts as UK MOD/government scientists see them, perhaps you think that they are all wrong too!
raynkar 2 years ago
if you know so much make a vid
monbobmaster 2 years ago 2
Hi Gawletap, do you care to explain which of the things I said were wrong. Are you expressing your personal opinion, or official, and tested times and criteria like I was. I would have mentioned I am qualified instructor (specialising in water acquisition and purification, but did not have the room. As stated: sea level boil time is 7 minutes, and herbicides and pesticides (chemicals) are invisible to the naked eye, and need micro filtration, not a millbank bag.
raynkar 2 years ago
Another typical youtube video. The filming was good, and your voice was clear, but sadly many of your facts are completely wrong!
The millbank bag WILL NOT remove chemicals from water, only debris. So using one of these in rural areas of the UK won't remove pesticides or herbicides from water. Also boiling water for five minutes WILL NOT sterilize it. At sea level, water has to be boiled for at least seven minutes, and one extra minute for every 1000ft above this.
raynkar 2 years ago
Sorry but you dont know what your talking about, This is just a small clip from a 1 hour dvd in which all is explained,
gawletap 2 years ago
Good vid yet again, quick question though; have got one myself that I have used for a couple of years now. Seems to still do the job okay as I always boil the water afterwards, however, does the fabric degenerate at all (mine still looks in A1 condition) if so, what timescale are you looking at to replace a bag? thanks
fegman 2 years ago
very simple were can i get one? also were can i get good billys and metal cups is there a camp shop in perticular that you would recomend?
R4MZI890 2 years ago
If you fill this to the brim it allows time for the water on the outside of the bag to drain away which is unfiltered, it is also a measure so if you wish you can put an ammount of irodine, remember this is a very crude canvas filter and the water will still require sterilizing, before it is safe to drink. But it will take away large foriegn bodies ie animal droppings etc.
gawletap 2 years ago
Thats what she said at 1:36 :)
moneymaster93 2 years ago
Great video. I'd never heard of a millbank before. What's the purpose of the fill line? Just to keep water from spilling over the top? Does the weight of too much water keep the filter from working properly?
SOAHCSOAHCSOAHC 2 years ago
Love these vids! Got a millbank bag after watching but when I tested it out the water was discoloured by the bag, it had turned green. Do you have any thoughts about this? Should I wash it in my washer before I use it?
DrChrisBiomed 2 years ago
Outstanding info! I'll be sure to pass this around for sure.
Imaroughboy 3 years ago 2
Amazingly Simple. Looked like the dog was having a blast with that stick.
Thanks for posting.
05MagnumSXT 3 years ago
GREAT
LexGamingShow 3 years ago
Wise words, good vid, the simplest ideas are often the best. Would you say its best to put the sterilising tab in the Millbank bag, is this best practise? does that make the water taste better?
gabblewba 3 years ago
If i were to use sterilising tablets i would put them in the billy can to ensure the best effect, but i prefer to boil water where ever possible as its safer and tastes better.
gawletap 3 years ago
i love your dog whats his or hers name? and what kind of dog is it?
cooldogcool51 3 years ago
His name is 'Ollie@ and hes a Lab gun dog
gawletap 3 years ago
good video
cooldogcool51 3 years ago
ive got the site if u want it m8. £8 each.
sim0b 3 years ago
how does one acquire a mill bank just buy it off the internet or army surplus store
eurekaman3000 3 years ago
great video,dont forget from the rolling boil add 1 min for every 1000 ft above sea level.
so if your at 3000 feet above sea level add 3 mins after it starts to boil .
audiofreeq 3 years ago
wicked clip, people buy the dvds they are brilliant, just bought 4-6 to complete the series, keep em coming pete
wall2rockclimber 3 years ago
Video #3 was really enjoyable as well.
THANKS FOR THESE POSTINGS PETER !
Rivieratime 3 years ago
nice video
cabushcrafter 3 years ago