The german Bundeswehr had atomic short range missiles, the american Lance. I know that because i was part of the rocket launcher crew. The east-german NVA did have atomic weapons too. This is an open and well known secret nowadays.
Aircraft Carriers are far too expensive to be accepted by the german public. Thats the reason, we do not build them.
@MrCanopius, I have already said Germany or rarther both Germanies during the cold war had operated nuclear weapons of various sorts but neither have had or operated strategic ballistic missles and neither had independent control over their weapons, West Germany could only use nukes if Nato was engaged and only after the allies gave permission and launch or release codes. The UK and France operate carriers, if Germany wants to be an equal she needs them also.
@lovemaker1972, I know, Germany could certainly afford to build them, i think its political, forgive this but Germany is now quite a pacifist country, for obvious reasons offensive weaponry, which carriers are, seem to be beyond what the German goverments sees as needed for defense of the Fatherland, however this has to change if Europe is to be taken seriously in the 21st century, the Americans, Russians and Chinese respect only force not talk, the UK and France are Europes only major players.
@lovemaker1972, I know, Germany could certainly afford to build them, i think its political, forgive this but Germany is now quite a pacifist country, for obvious reasons offensive weaponry, which carriers are, seem to be beyond what the German goverments sees as needed for defense of the Fatherland, however this has to change if Europe is to be taken seriously in the 21st century, the Americans, Russians and Chinese respect only force not talk, the UK and France are Europes only major players.
If you speak about military aspects its true but Europe everything stands still if Germany wouldnt agree with something. At least they are the country with the biggest economy in europe (4th strongest in the wrld), and are also the biggest expored nation in europe (2nd largest in the world) They also have a very strong military economy. Germany is the third largest export nation of tanks, subs and other warfare material.
@FelixHD1, Your absolutly right, Germany is Europes economic and industrial powerhouse, and until recently the worlds largest exporting nation (China having recently replaced her), i would reiterate though that she is politically on the sidelines internationally and far less militarily capable than either the UK or France, which have Europes 3rd and 2nd and the worlds 6th and 5th largest economies, London is also a global economic hub and vital for German trade, i'd question cont-
@FelixHD1 cont- your facts on military export figures, for much of the 80's and 90's Germany was a major weapons exporter but that has changed, its the US, UK, Russia and to a lesser extent France which now totally dominate that market, the British and Americans alone accounting for roughly 20% each of the market. Germanys position politically and militarily can change, Germany has massive potential but lacks the will recliam great power status preferring to cede it to NATO and the EU.
Germany was till 2008 the biggest export nation. Now its China.
But Germany IS more or less the EU although France has still a very important role it is Germany who is standing behind all of what they do
It may be that you havent noticed but Germany does want to be acknowledged for its importance but there is still the second ww that leaves a dark shadow in its past...
@FelixHD1, Yes Germany is the economic and financial powerhouse of the EU, but the EU itself cant do anything without Paris and Londons say so, Germany is bound by treaty and her own costitution to remain politically and militarily insignificant, Germany is not that far ahead of either France or the UK economically and her population is in decline while the French and British and increasing, unless the "EU big 3" work in tandem, the EU itself will become sidelined.
The constitution does not say that Germany cannot build nuklear weapons or aircraft carriers. They are forbidden to build any nuklear warheads by the UN. But Germany doesnt require them. It also doesnt need an aircraft carrier. These things are just to expensive. One american aircraft carierre sucks up 2 million dollars a year plus the aircrafts plus the troops. Germany could effort it but doesnt see the point in building one it just dont need it...
Why should they?? Japan is no threat to anyone but threatend by everyone...
Just look where the country is located. It is close to China, Russia and North Korea. Although i doubt that Russia would attack the island, China and North Korea already had a hard time with Japan and if the UN (mostly USA) wouldnt support them they would already be attacked by China or North Korea.
Germany on the other side is surrounded by allies and has a rather small coast.
@30sectodeath I like Japan. They have been a good friend since the end of ww2. There should be no reason Japan can't rebuild their Navy as they see fit. They are a fish out of water in their location and when the balloon goes up, they will be in the thick of it all.
... also economicly Germany is way ahead Britain and France and also the decline of the population is also slowing down. The political influence on the world is also very great and not bound to its constitution.
But your right if the "EU big 3" as you call it dont work together than there would be a serious problem
@FelixHD1, I never said the constitution prevents Germany from having nukes, but she is treaty bound to remain weak so to speak, Germanies political influence is negligible internationally she's a pigmy just like Japan, only economically is she a 1st rank power, Germanys economy is not that much larger than the British or French economies which themselves are vital to Europe, its London not Berlin where 90% of European trade is conducted with the outside world, cont-
Germanys opinion is not negligible. In South America Germanys influence is even bigger than the American
Brazil for example does not care what the americans want but it respects and developes good bonds with Germany. As is Mongolia, Japan, Russia and of corse France and the UK and the rest of the EU countries.
@FelixHD1, If a crisis blew up in South America, its not Germany or the EU the nations of that continent would look to to solve the problem or mediate, its the USA and why? Europes economy even now its in trouble is larger, more diverse and more productive than the American, its because the US is a military superpower, economic power means nothing in the real world. This is what Germanys leaders need to understand and what they must remind the German people of, WW2 ended a very long time ago!!
No. The nations of South America would not involve America because its a miltary power. Thats also the reason why America has so many problems with terrorism. They started wars all over the world and made so many people suffer and die for nothing. Although they didnt meant to that was the situation at the end of each war. Look at Irak, Afghanistan, Vietnam. Even in Europe the American Gouvernment meets lots of contradiction. The people living there dont agree with America
Believe me i do have much knowledge about politics. I also have many friends all over the world who are telling me many things about what is going on in there region. Half of my family is living in Brazil. Some of them are living in Germany. One of my best friends is living in Barain. And I am living in America
@FelixHD1, Having family and freinds in various locations around the globe has no baring on a persons knowledge of geoplitics, i too have family in the US, Canada, Germany, Ireland and Australia, that is inconsequential. Germany is not the equal of nor does she have as much political clout as the UK, France, Russia, China or the USA.
OK. I think neither of us can convince the other one so i just going to say what i actually wanted to say on this video.
As you said before a carrier is a weapon with devastating offensive power. It is no good for defensive tactics if you want to defend a country like Germany who has a quite small coast. It is also very expensive. One carrier of the american navi costs 2 billion dollar each year just to keep it running. Then there are the aircrafts, fuel, ammonition and...
@FelixHD1 cont- also with regards nuclear weapons and carriers, Germany would never be permitted by Russia or the Western allies (US,UK,France) to posess nukes independently, within Nato nukes have been stationed in Germany in the past but under Nato command, with regards to carriers if Germany and the EU want to be taken seriously in the 21st century they have to be able to project military power abroad, economic power means nothing if you cant back it up, the UK and France both cont-
@FelixHD1 cont - understand this, outside Europe nations dont always respect rules and regulations, Europe may have moved past "Realpolitik" internally but the rest of the world still plays by the old rules, Germany needs like the UK and France to shoulder the burden of EU defense, if the Brits and French maintain the nukes Germany should at least feild 2 carriers for an ecomomy as large as hers. If the "big 3" want Europe to count they have to pay the costs.
the soldiers who also cost a lot of money. Germany could afford to build a carrier, but it would be a waste of money because the never actually would use it.
I really enjoyed to discuss with you and i think i learend a lot of it :)
@FelixHD1 read somwhwew that each carrier fleet cost the usa $1.2M a day to run its over $4B to build each carrier maybe a lot more in today's prices all that money to improve ppl's lifes would make wonders but i quiess we have to wair til Jesus comes to save us all from this madness called defense expenditure
@FelixHD1 Germany could afford a carrier and it's inaccurate to say that they don't have political clout because they certainly do. The real reason the Germans haven't built a carrier is because of their constitution. It forbids military intervention outside of Europe unless the Bundestag (Parliament) approve of it by passing a law. That is a very hard sell in Germany. Chancellor Schroder almost ended his career sending forces to Afghanistan. That's why he couldn't support us in Iraq too.
@ryanramsey Didn't Merkel change that law - and is she not also trying to repeal conscripted service? Two outcomes from that... 1) the people are weakened are more easily controlled 2) creation of a professional army that will go anywhere and kill anyone they are ordered to...
Now carriers? Which can only be used to project power...?
I think I see the direction Germany is going in...
and if fat guy Goring had given the Kriegsmarine enough new front line aircraft,
and if those aircraft were very, very, quickly modified for carrier use,
and if the Kriegsmarine could learn really fast, carrier operation - during wartime, (something that took American, British, Japan navies MANY peacetime years),
Then the Germans 'might' have been able to send carriers to sea,
This carrier would have been heavily modified later. The open bow, even in the Baltic, would have been very wet. Many AA guns would have been added as well. The Island would have proven to be too far forward limiting the number of planes that could have been launched. The Seydiltz would have been comparable to the American light carriers built on the Cleveland class cruiser hulls.
@Bullettube You're right, it would have been comparable to a US Escort carrier, in fact Capt. W. Haedeler, chief architect of the Zeppelin referred to the Seydlitz as "Schneller Flugzeugträger". The concept is not all bad. Some of the equipment of the cruiser was to be used on the carrier: i.e. Boats. Crane, gimbal gun directors, 20mm quad guns, searchlights, 10.5cm artillery etc. Perhaps you might be able to obtain Capt. Haedeler's book
@Bullettube I have done a lot of research on the German carrier program and was in contact with Capt. w. Haedeler, chief architect of the G. Zeppelin. The aircraft catapult recovery system did not permit an enclosed foredeck due catapult recovery. Every 2 minutes 2 aircraft could have been shot off over the bow. A/C were loaded on a cart below decks, trundled to the elevator & taken up, pushed to the catapult and shot off, cart to return to the hangar via rails and be loaded up again.
@koelschwolf Oh, ein Deutscher in Texas, schön! Ich habe gelesen, daß allein für den nicht mehr zum Einsatz gekommenen "Graf Zeppelin" Träger, 50 Messerschmitt Me-109-T, 4 Junkers Ju-87 und 13 Fieseler Fi-167 zu Ausbildungs- u. Erprobungszwecken, von der Luftwaffe bereitgestellt wurden. Die deutsche Marine-Führung hatte also ein Trägerprogramm geplant gehabt.
@Sparmi1 schoen und warum wurde dann das programm nicht durchgezogen?falsche plaene und taktik der fuehrung von hitler und goering?JA so war es hitler war zu ueberheblich,groessenwahnsinnig und uneinsichtig.er hatte viele falsche entscheidungen getroffen.wie bei der TIRPITZ die lag monatelang im Fjord vor Anker und warteten auf befehle die nicht kamen.und wenn dann fuer himmelfahrtskommandos.und dann kamen die Bomber und da war feierabend.Krieg ist eine schlechte sache aber naja.
@lovemaker1972 Ein Grund dass die Tirpitz in Norwegen lag ohne Befehle war auch dass man einfach keinen Treibstoff hatte um Operationen durch zu fuehren.
@Sparmi1 Ich glaube es war 1941 oder 42 als ich mit meiner Schule von Koeln nach Ahlbeck an der Ostsee verschickt wurde. Das war KLV (wir nannten es Kinder Land Verschleppung) um uns aus dem Bereich die Royal Airforce zu schicken. Bei einem Ausflug sah ich die G. Zeppelin ganz nahe. Durften aber keine Fotos machen. Auf der Rueckfahrt konnte ich aber von einiger Entfernung ein Bild schiessen, habe es heute noch.
@chloe7829 Das Foto gut aufheben! Einen Flugzeugträger aus der Nähe zu sehn, ist echt beeindruckend, da kann ich selber aus eigener Erfahrung sprechen. Es war zwar "nur" ein kleinerer Träger der US NAVY, aber man sagt danach "wow".
@Sparmi1 Hi Sparmi, in 1945 nachdem die Russen alle Werftpapiere ueber die GZ gekapert hatten, kam die US Marine und fand weitere Papier ueber den Traeger "B", die die Russen uebersehn hetten. Anstatt einen berufsfotografen zu beauftragen alles zu fotografieren hatte ein Idiot mit irgendeiner Kamera alle papiere fotografiert, daher waren alle Negative in verschiedenen Groessen (Massstaeben). Ich hatte mal 'ne Kopie von dem Film und hatte alle Spanten usw. auf den richtigen Massstab gebracht..
Respond to this video... weiter an Sparmi... Auf den selben Film wahren auch due Plaene fuer dieSeydlitz, Europa, de Grasse und Potsdam. Die Plaene des Traegers "B" waren allerdings so wie das Schiff vor dem Krieg
entworfen wurde. Ohne Radar usw. Ich machte auch 1:200 Plaene fuer die Seydlitzm mit Gebrauch des Rumpfes von Aero-Naut fuer die Prinz Eugen, kam aber noch nicht dazu. Hier ist der Aero-Naut Rumpf sehr teuer. so 400 dollar! Nur der rumpf.
thankyou for posting! facinating!...(wisconsin made 40 gato fleet submarines used against japan in pacific ww-2)...i am german dna back to 1473...forgive me but I must argue in favor of u-boats instead of 4 aircraft carriers...(4 aircraft carriers in black sea could have lauched airstrikes and v-1 and v-2 missiles at stalingrad?)
to JR Lucariny: did you actually built a model of this ship? After finishing a 200 scale model of the G. Zeppelin I was tempted to build a model of the Seydlitz and worked up the plans for it also. I already had the plans for the cruiser P. Eugen, the Seydlitz having the same hull and I had Capt. Hadeler's drawings as well as a microfilm of the German carrier program. Perhaps I get around to it this year.
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RFKFANTS67 6 days ago
@RFKFANTS67 locomotive breath by jethro tull
spirotagnw 6 days ago
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i want to see it for real!
30sectodeath 2 months ago
Sea-borne JU-87 Stukas sound awesome!
acepilot1997 3 months ago
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Looks like a Japanese design
yank1776 4 months ago
The german Bundeswehr had atomic short range missiles, the american Lance. I know that because i was part of the rocket launcher crew. The east-german NVA did have atomic weapons too. This is an open and well known secret nowadays.
Aircraft Carriers are far too expensive to be accepted by the german public. Thats the reason, we do not build them.
MrCanopius 4 months ago
@MrCanopius, I have already said Germany or rarther both Germanies during the cold war had operated nuclear weapons of various sorts but neither have had or operated strategic ballistic missles and neither had independent control over their weapons, West Germany could only use nukes if Nato was engaged and only after the allies gave permission and launch or release codes. The UK and France operate carriers, if Germany wants to be an equal she needs them also.
TheCharlie359 4 months ago
@koelschwolf oder die Focke Wulf FW 190.und die ME 110
lovemaker1972 4 months ago
who ever painted the paintings is really good at waves.
WESTHOG2 9 months ago
Germany needs to develop a modern carrier force akin to the current British and French fleets if Europes voice is to count on the world stage.
TheCharlie359 11 months ago
@TheCharlie359 YES you are right.why they dont buy some middle size aircraft carriers from the invincible class?
3 or 4 Models.
lovemaker1972 4 months ago
@lovemaker1972, I know, Germany could certainly afford to build them, i think its political, forgive this but Germany is now quite a pacifist country, for obvious reasons offensive weaponry, which carriers are, seem to be beyond what the German goverments sees as needed for defense of the Fatherland, however this has to change if Europe is to be taken seriously in the 21st century, the Americans, Russians and Chinese respect only force not talk, the UK and France are Europes only major players.
TheCharlie359 4 months ago
@lovemaker1972, I know, Germany could certainly afford to build them, i think its political, forgive this but Germany is now quite a pacifist country, for obvious reasons offensive weaponry, which carriers are, seem to be beyond what the German goverments sees as needed for defense of the Fatherland, however this has to change if Europe is to be taken seriously in the 21st century, the Americans, Russians and Chinese respect only force not talk, the UK and France are Europes only major players.
TheCharlie359 4 months ago
@TheCharlie359
If you speak about military aspects its true but Europe everything stands still if Germany wouldnt agree with something. At least they are the country with the biggest economy in europe (4th strongest in the wrld), and are also the biggest expored nation in europe (2nd largest in the world) They also have a very strong military economy. Germany is the third largest export nation of tanks, subs and other warfare material.
FelixHD1 4 months ago
@FelixHD1, Your absolutly right, Germany is Europes economic and industrial powerhouse, and until recently the worlds largest exporting nation (China having recently replaced her), i would reiterate though that she is politically on the sidelines internationally and far less militarily capable than either the UK or France, which have Europes 3rd and 2nd and the worlds 6th and 5th largest economies, London is also a global economic hub and vital for German trade, i'd question cont-
TheCharlie359 4 months ago
@FelixHD1 cont- your facts on military export figures, for much of the 80's and 90's Germany was a major weapons exporter but that has changed, its the US, UK, Russia and to a lesser extent France which now totally dominate that market, the British and Americans alone accounting for roughly 20% each of the market. Germanys position politically and militarily can change, Germany has massive potential but lacks the will recliam great power status preferring to cede it to NATO and the EU.
TheCharlie359 4 months ago
@TheCharlie359
Germany was till 2008 the biggest export nation. Now its China.
But Germany IS more or less the EU although France has still a very important role it is Germany who is standing behind all of what they do
It may be that you havent noticed but Germany does want to be acknowledged for its importance but there is still the second ww that leaves a dark shadow in its past...
FelixHD1 4 months ago
@FelixHD1, Yes Germany is the economic and financial powerhouse of the EU, but the EU itself cant do anything without Paris and Londons say so, Germany is bound by treaty and her own costitution to remain politically and militarily insignificant, Germany is not that far ahead of either France or the UK economically and her population is in decline while the French and British and increasing, unless the "EU big 3" work in tandem, the EU itself will become sidelined.
TheCharlie359 4 months ago
@TheCharlie359
The constitution does not say that Germany cannot build nuklear weapons or aircraft carriers. They are forbidden to build any nuklear warheads by the UN. But Germany doesnt require them. It also doesnt need an aircraft carrier. These things are just to expensive. One american aircraft carierre sucks up 2 million dollars a year plus the aircrafts plus the troops. Germany could effort it but doesnt see the point in building one it just dont need it...
FelixHD1 4 months ago
@FelixHD1 then how about japan they build their own aircraft carrier nowadays what can you say for that why UN doesnt stop her...
30sectodeath 2 months ago
@30sectodeath
Why should they?? Japan is no threat to anyone but threatend by everyone...
Just look where the country is located. It is close to China, Russia and North Korea. Although i doubt that Russia would attack the island, China and North Korea already had a hard time with Japan and if the UN (mostly USA) wouldnt support them they would already be attacked by China or North Korea.
Germany on the other side is surrounded by allies and has a rather small coast.
FelixHD1 2 months ago
@FelixHD1 now I get it thanks for clarification :)
30sectodeath 2 months ago
@30sectodeath I like Japan. They have been a good friend since the end of ww2. There should be no reason Japan can't rebuild their Navy as they see fit. They are a fish out of water in their location and when the balloon goes up, they will be in the thick of it all.
Vindicator58 4 weeks ago
@TheCharlie359
... also economicly Germany is way ahead Britain and France and also the decline of the population is also slowing down. The political influence on the world is also very great and not bound to its constitution.
But your right if the "EU big 3" as you call it dont work together than there would be a serious problem
FelixHD1 4 months ago
@FelixHD1, I never said the constitution prevents Germany from having nukes, but she is treaty bound to remain weak so to speak, Germanies political influence is negligible internationally she's a pigmy just like Japan, only economically is she a 1st rank power, Germanys economy is not that much larger than the British or French economies which themselves are vital to Europe, its London not Berlin where 90% of European trade is conducted with the outside world, cont-
TheCharlie359 4 months ago
@TheCharlie359
Germanys opinion is not negligible. In South America Germanys influence is even bigger than the American
Brazil for example does not care what the americans want but it respects and developes good bonds with Germany. As is Mongolia, Japan, Russia and of corse France and the UK and the rest of the EU countries.
FelixHD1 4 months ago
@FelixHD1, If a crisis blew up in South America, its not Germany or the EU the nations of that continent would look to to solve the problem or mediate, its the USA and why? Europes economy even now its in trouble is larger, more diverse and more productive than the American, its because the US is a military superpower, economic power means nothing in the real world. This is what Germanys leaders need to understand and what they must remind the German people of, WW2 ended a very long time ago!!
TheCharlie359 4 months ago
@TheCharlie359
No. The nations of South America would not involve America because its a miltary power. Thats also the reason why America has so many problems with terrorism. They started wars all over the world and made so many people suffer and die for nothing. Although they didnt meant to that was the situation at the end of each war. Look at Irak, Afghanistan, Vietnam. Even in Europe the American Gouvernment meets lots of contradiction. The people living there dont agree with America
FelixHD1 4 months ago
@FelixHD1, I completely disagree, you seem quite intelligent but have a very limited knowledge of geopolitics!
TheCharlie359 4 months ago
@TheCharlie359
Believe me i do have much knowledge about politics. I also have many friends all over the world who are telling me many things about what is going on in there region. Half of my family is living in Brazil. Some of them are living in Germany. One of my best friends is living in Barain. And I am living in America
FelixHD1 4 months ago
@FelixHD1, Having family and freinds in various locations around the globe has no baring on a persons knowledge of geoplitics, i too have family in the US, Canada, Germany, Ireland and Australia, that is inconsequential. Germany is not the equal of nor does she have as much political clout as the UK, France, Russia, China or the USA.
TheCharlie359 4 months ago
@TheCharlie359
OK. I think neither of us can convince the other one so i just going to say what i actually wanted to say on this video.
As you said before a carrier is a weapon with devastating offensive power. It is no good for defensive tactics if you want to defend a country like Germany who has a quite small coast. It is also very expensive. One carrier of the american navi costs 2 billion dollar each year just to keep it running. Then there are the aircrafts, fuel, ammonition and...
FelixHD1 4 months ago
@FelixHD1 cont- also with regards nuclear weapons and carriers, Germany would never be permitted by Russia or the Western allies (US,UK,France) to posess nukes independently, within Nato nukes have been stationed in Germany in the past but under Nato command, with regards to carriers if Germany and the EU want to be taken seriously in the 21st century they have to be able to project military power abroad, economic power means nothing if you cant back it up, the UK and France both cont-
TheCharlie359 4 months ago
@FelixHD1 cont - understand this, outside Europe nations dont always respect rules and regulations, Europe may have moved past "Realpolitik" internally but the rest of the world still plays by the old rules, Germany needs like the UK and France to shoulder the burden of EU defense, if the Brits and French maintain the nukes Germany should at least feild 2 carriers for an ecomomy as large as hers. If the "big 3" want Europe to count they have to pay the costs.
TheCharlie359 4 months ago
@TheCharlie359
the soldiers who also cost a lot of money. Germany could afford to build a carrier, but it would be a waste of money because the never actually would use it.
I really enjoyed to discuss with you and i think i learend a lot of it :)
Im glad to have met you :)
FelixHD1 4 months ago
@FelixHD1 read somwhwew that each carrier fleet cost the usa $1.2M a day to run its over $4B to build each carrier maybe a lot more in today's prices all that money to improve ppl's lifes would make wonders but i quiess we have to wair til Jesus comes to save us all from this madness called defense expenditure
polygamous1 3 months ago
@polygamous1 you can bend over when jesus arrives, dude. go outside and hug a tree & take a nap.
fluffy1931 3 months ago
@polygamous1 -- what is madness about it. It is because of this expense that you can pray to Jesus. Pull your head out and grow up.
Vindicator58 4 weeks ago
@FelixHD1 Germany could afford a carrier and it's inaccurate to say that they don't have political clout because they certainly do. The real reason the Germans haven't built a carrier is because of their constitution. It forbids military intervention outside of Europe unless the Bundestag (Parliament) approve of it by passing a law. That is a very hard sell in Germany. Chancellor Schroder almost ended his career sending forces to Afghanistan. That's why he couldn't support us in Iraq too.
ryanramsey 3 months ago
@ryanramsey : You are wrong for Iraq, they were just against this war and german defense minister said that Germany need LHD.
vonchaosb 3 months ago
@vonchaosb what is an "LHD"???
30sectodeath 2 months ago
@ryanramsey Didn't Merkel change that law - and is she not also trying to repeal conscripted service? Two outcomes from that... 1) the people are weakened are more easily controlled 2) creation of a professional army that will go anywhere and kill anyone they are ordered to...
Now carriers? Which can only be used to project power...?
I think I see the direction Germany is going in...
krackersdave 3 months ago
Too many ifs.
If Graf Zeppelin and Sedlitz had completed.
and if fat guy Goring had given the Kriegsmarine enough new front line aircraft,
and if those aircraft were very, very, quickly modified for carrier use,
and if the Kriegsmarine could learn really fast, carrier operation - during wartime, (something that took American, British, Japan navies MANY peacetime years),
Then the Germans 'might' have been able to send carriers to sea,
to be mobbed by the entire R.N.
agwhitaker 1 year ago
@agwhitaker Germany pwned R.N. best ships?... no need for carriers^^
Dragon050593 1 year ago
Nice job, this must have taken a lot of work.
This carrier would have been heavily modified later. The open bow, even in the Baltic, would have been very wet. Many AA guns would have been added as well. The Island would have proven to be too far forward limiting the number of planes that could have been launched. The Seydiltz would have been comparable to the American light carriers built on the Cleveland class cruiser hulls.
Bullettube 1 year ago
@Bullettube You're right, it would have been comparable to a US Escort carrier, in fact Capt. W. Haedeler, chief architect of the Zeppelin referred to the Seydlitz as "Schneller Flugzeugträger". The concept is not all bad. Some of the equipment of the cruiser was to be used on the carrier: i.e. Boats. Crane, gimbal gun directors, 20mm quad guns, searchlights, 10.5cm artillery etc. Perhaps you might be able to obtain Capt. Haedeler's book
DER FLUGZEUGTRAEGER thru Amazone?
Regards Koelschwolf
chloe7829 4 months ago
@Bullettube I have done a lot of research on the German carrier program and was in contact with Capt. w. Haedeler, chief architect of the G. Zeppelin. The aircraft catapult recovery system did not permit an enclosed foredeck due catapult recovery. Every 2 minutes 2 aircraft could have been shot off over the bow. A/C were loaded on a cart below decks, trundled to the elevator & taken up, pushed to the catapult and shot off, cart to return to the hangar via rails and be loaded up again.
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chloe7829 4 months ago
Chale,nomas pusieron puros dibujitos,son jaladas,pongan algo de fotos,algo real,no manchen............
pacsalgon67 1 year ago
@koelschwolf Oh, ein Deutscher in Texas, schön! Ich habe gelesen, daß allein für den nicht mehr zum Einsatz gekommenen "Graf Zeppelin" Träger, 50 Messerschmitt Me-109-T, 4 Junkers Ju-87 und 13 Fieseler Fi-167 zu Ausbildungs- u. Erprobungszwecken, von der Luftwaffe bereitgestellt wurden. Die deutsche Marine-Führung hatte also ein Trägerprogramm geplant gehabt.
Sparmi1 1 year ago
@Sparmi1 schoen und warum wurde dann das programm nicht durchgezogen?falsche plaene und taktik der fuehrung von hitler und goering?JA so war es hitler war zu ueberheblich,groessenwahnsinnig und uneinsichtig.er hatte viele falsche entscheidungen getroffen.wie bei der TIRPITZ die lag monatelang im Fjord vor Anker und warteten auf befehle die nicht kamen.und wenn dann fuer himmelfahrtskommandos.und dann kamen die Bomber und da war feierabend.Krieg ist eine schlechte sache aber naja.
lovemaker1972 4 months ago
@lovemaker1972 Ein Grund dass die Tirpitz in Norwegen lag ohne Befehle war auch dass man einfach keinen Treibstoff hatte um Operationen durch zu fuehren.
Gruss aus Texas
chloe7829 4 months ago
@Sparmi1 Ich glaube es war 1941 oder 42 als ich mit meiner Schule von Koeln nach Ahlbeck an der Ostsee verschickt wurde. Das war KLV (wir nannten es Kinder Land Verschleppung) um uns aus dem Bereich die Royal Airforce zu schicken. Bei einem Ausflug sah ich die G. Zeppelin ganz nahe. Durften aber keine Fotos machen. Auf der Rueckfahrt konnte ich aber von einiger Entfernung ein Bild schiessen, habe es heute noch.
Gruesse aus Dallas
chloe7829 4 months ago
@chloe7829 Das Foto gut aufheben! Einen Flugzeugträger aus der Nähe zu sehn, ist echt beeindruckend, da kann ich selber aus eigener Erfahrung sprechen. Es war zwar "nur" ein kleinerer Träger der US NAVY, aber man sagt danach "wow".
Grüße aus Berlin.
Sparmi1 4 months ago
@Sparmi1 Hi Sparmi, in 1945 nachdem die Russen alle Werftpapiere ueber die GZ gekapert hatten, kam die US Marine und fand weitere Papier ueber den Traeger "B", die die Russen uebersehn hetten. Anstatt einen berufsfotografen zu beauftragen alles zu fotografieren hatte ein Idiot mit irgendeiner Kamera alle papiere fotografiert, daher waren alle Negative in verschiedenen Groessen (Massstaeben). Ich hatte mal 'ne Kopie von dem Film und hatte alle Spanten usw. auf den richtigen Massstab gebracht..
chloe7829 4 months ago
Respond to this video... weiter an Sparmi... Auf den selben Film wahren auch due Plaene fuer dieSeydlitz, Europa, de Grasse und Potsdam. Die Plaene des Traegers "B" waren allerdings so wie das Schiff vor dem Krieg
entworfen wurde. Ohne Radar usw. Ich machte auch 1:200 Plaene fuer die Seydlitzm mit Gebrauch des Rumpfes von Aero-Naut fuer die Prinz Eugen, kam aber noch nicht dazu. Hier ist der Aero-Naut Rumpf sehr teuer. so 400 dollar! Nur der rumpf.
chloe7829 4 months ago
thankyou for posting! facinating!...(wisconsin made 40 gato fleet submarines used against japan in pacific ww-2)...i am german dna back to 1473...forgive me but I must argue in favor of u-boats instead of 4 aircraft carriers...(4 aircraft carriers in black sea could have lauched airstrikes and v-1 and v-2 missiles at stalingrad?)
m60a3ttsmilwaukee 1 year ago
where are the real and modern aircraft carriers?
maximusxmc 2 years ago
to JR Lucariny: did you actually built a model of this ship? After finishing a 200 scale model of the G. Zeppelin I was tempted to build a model of the Seydlitz and worked up the plans for it also. I already had the plans for the cruiser P. Eugen, the Seydlitz having the same hull and I had Capt. Hadeler's drawings as well as a microfilm of the German carrier program. Perhaps I get around to it this year.
chloe7829 2 years ago
these are good marine paintings,why Seydlitz?
bv141a 2 years ago
Very nice paintings. I am a german and hear of this planed carrier for the first time.
Sparmi1 2 years ago