These "Mindless Sheep" have been conditioned into believing all that the watchtower society deems as "TRUTH." Blind obedience or you are shunned, which is far worse than an islamic honor killing. When you are disfeffowshipped, you are cast out from "jehova's protection" and his other mindless lambs. Your family turns their backs on you as if you are dead. My parents and some siblings are dead. I never went to their funerals, not because I was not welcome, but because I moved on.
Jesus said there is only one path to the truth...READ Matthew 7:13,14, ..."few are the ones finding it." JW's are the only ones following Jesus Christ today. They are obedient to Jesus when he taught his disciples to preach the good news of God's Kingdom. They follow Matthew 6:9,10, keeping God's name hallowed, or holy, using and honoring his Most Holy Name-JEHOVAH. We are witnesses that Jehovah is God! We keep separate from the world as Jesus taught. READ John 17:16. James 4:4. 1 John 5:19.
@eternityandforever and yet here you are consorting with the rest of the world. I don't begrudge you your stupid beliefs, but if you're going to claim that you're remaining separate and apart from us, you could at least have the courtesy to stop showing up in public to tell us that you're not associating with us.
(remaining separated from society is the defining trait of a cult one notes)
Anyone who is under orders has to obey no matter how loving they appear to be, if a person is under the law of man he will hate who he is told to hate. Look what religious people did too our Lord who came to show hard hearted people what true Love is. People who try to please God and get his favour through religious works and preaching are like whitewashed graves. Outside they appear moral and good but inside they are full of corruption, just quoting our Lord and he never lied.
I find it sad that a group of such wonderful people with hearts of gold are so closed minded, but they are. As this video points out, they do not come to your doorstep to 'share' anything with you. Sharing impies an exchange of ideas and they are forbidden from accepting anything you say, however reasonable, if it's not acceptable to the WT society. They must check their brain at the doorways of Kingdom Hall, which they willingly do. Sorry folks, but I still love 'em, they are not evil.
I ask 2 Jws in my home this question: 'How is the light in the Bible does not change but the light in the WT literature does change?
One replied: 'Because the light in the Bible is basic light and the light in our literature is superior light.' I asked 'How do you know this?' Ans 'It wouldn't be superior if it didn't change'.
since this video is produced by an active member of Jehovah's Witnesses and Jehovah's Winesses are victims of the society and fear and do not think independently then this video is nothing but Watchtower propaganda. Besides even if everything you say is true; so what ?
Jehovah's Witnesses have their religous beliefs as do others if you don't share their views its your perogative. Fallacies occur often so its no surprise that you will find some in the literature;
All your videos have extremely high production value! I just love them! Great voice over on the videos.
But what makes them priceless is the clear logic used to show the WT-Org as a False Prophet. Well done, keep up the great work, I have used your videos to help free and open the mind of one of my dearest friends in the cult, now we are both free. Can not thank you enough!
first off all reilgion is crap but alot of what they said is true most christain leaders are full of crap.the list of hucksters is endless. jim and tammy jimmy sawgart pat robertson jerry falwell come read a book other then the bible find some real truth
What's crazy is that this isn't a parody. The publications are full of these double standards and they really do discourage individual thinking. "The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate" Jeremiah 17:9-10
"The Truth" is now identified as *the Organization* When a Jehovah's Witness says that he is "in the truth",he means that he is a member of the Organization. And if a person a person shows any criticism of *the Organization* it's the same as *criticising "The Truth".
But it's not "the truth"that is being examined,or criticised at all, it's the Organization.
As you cleverly showed in your video here,the GB seems TO THINK that they personally own the Patent to"The Truth"..DING!
Super Job! I loved it! The Watchtower GB is using the same tactics that they accuse others of using. This video shows perfectly their hypocrisy, by showing from their OWN literature that they are just as guilty, and shows how they, too use LOADED LANGUAGE and attack the messenger instead of examining whether the message is true.
Concerning the Memorial.Jesus said "keep doing this until I come". JW are*still doing it*. Showing that he hasn't yet given the WTS his "belongings" nor authority.
Wow too bad the people wo make this video dont mention that apostacy is mentioned many times in the bible and we are specifically warned to watch for it, JW's did not make up the word Apostates, Your video has many misleading statements, as all of them do. And the truth is based on the scriptures, and our interpertation of it. Man is fallible and so is our judgement at times
Since the GB now teaches that Jesus doesn't actually COME back to the earth, and the separation of the sheep and the goats is FUTURE, then how can they CLAIM that Jesus CAME and personally COMMENDED the "slave class" and put them in charge of all of his personal belongings? LIke WHEN did this happen? Since Jesus hasn't returned yet, and he isn't going to?
What PROOF is there that Jesus gave TO them all his belongings? What exactly did he SAY TO THEM? He hasn't spoken to them.
Its what frustrated me the most growing up and becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses. The circular reasoning never stops you just spin and spin. I never liked the feeling that you were being persuaded to be a Witness or to believe the Only way. This Video could not be said any better its right on the mark.
Excellent series. Your videos point out huge holes and inconsistencies in their beliefs, yet they are still a fair and balanced view of the JW beliefs. I hope some JW's will take the time to shrewdly examine their own beliefs... after all, the Bible encourages that.
this video is very good its more like a wake up call....but its for the person to decide wether or not they r goin to accept the things u have said.....they truly r wolves in sheep clothing...they may look like christains and soud like one but in reality they r not its just a distortion of the truth
I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the hard work you are doing, your videos are so intelligent. The Watchtower has become to big for its boots! I believe that you guys have got what it takes to challenge those arrogant bullies and bring them back down to earth.. because they have gone to far, way to far.
EXCELLENT! I loved it! Absolutely true! By using terminology that has been given derrogatory implications by the WTS, the JW is trained to turn his or her mind off to anything that is said by anyone who is classified by the terminology. This is particularly true of "apostates" & "Christendom". And, as usual, they have given their own definitions to the terms. An apostate would be one who turns his back on GOD, not one who merely defects from the WTS! If anything, "apostates" can now serve GOD!!
This video is 'aces' in my book. Not only will I look out for those fallacies while talking to cultists about religion, but I will also listen out for them in every conversation, debate, or arguement.
2. Some points. I think if you dig deeper you will find that the WTBS thinks the 'faithful and discreet slave class', have more collective wisdom. They, as a class, not individuals, are directed by holy spirit. A mis-direction and mis-quote by WTcomment. Why? To decieve you. Not to change any Jehovah's Witnesses minds. The WTBS never uses 'deceptive' language. What would be the point with millions of magnifying glasses on their literature. They meant to label apostates. THEY'RE APOSTATES!!!
niborn- If you dont mind can you answer me a question ? If guided by the holy spirit then why so many mistakes and new light? Can the holy spirit fail or be wrong ? And did you know the word apostate means nothing it is a man made label intended to demean a person who feels your religion is ridiculus as I do, hahahah Im an apostate I'm an a apostate. Who cares !!!!
1. Slick production and use of language. If anyone watching this is swayed because of the 'logic' or 'reasoning' presented then you need to switch on your brain and examine the religion yourself. Yes, actually do what the producer of this video must have done. Go get the literature and read it for yourself. Check out the many references found in the pages of the Watchtower literature. See if what he is quoting is correct. Make sure WTcomments is telling you the truth about Jehovah's Witnesses.
@nibornagrom - Already done it. Any educated, truly astute and discerning person can easily see through the brain-training, self-aggrandizing tactics in the literature. It's there for all to see.
It's amazing despite the overwhelming evidence against the WTBTS, devoute self righteous JWs come on here yelling apostate, false claims, blah, blah with nothing to support the contrary.
kathelos, I am going to ask you to stop commenting. People will think I pay you to post these comments in order to smear Witnesses. I should warn you that your "witness" is only furthering my cause.
"sorry about the irony my friend but is the only weapon i have left...."
not to mention the falicies of democracy..eventhough democracy was found in Greece, one of the greater philosophers "PLATON" in his work "politia" exposed the giagantic holes democracy has and stated that the ideal political system is the one that the wise and capable should be in charge, and not those who the majority has elected...
not to mention where Democracy gone us to...it let peapole like BUSH become the president of the most powerfull nation in the world!
whats all the fass about desfellowsip...i think its very logical if you dont agree with the teaching of a religion you should retire by your self...we souldn't have to desfellowsip you...the disfellowship its a mesure for those who deesagre and they are not couregious enough to leave by themselfes..
sorry about my previous comment..but the lough was so spundenious when i read the comment...maybe you are right...we are not as clean us the catholic curch in the middle ages or even now....or us clean us the orthodox church in the greek revolution in 1821 or the greek civil war in 1946, but we try.....
hahahah
sorry about the irony my friend but is the only weapon i have left....
the logic weapon are useless to your kind because you are wearing anti-logic shields!!
It used to be that the Catholics, the Orthodox churches, were the only ones who persecuted their own church members over doctrine, but NOW THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY DOES IT.
lol...WT Commends.. i think you have an authority issue..i supose you are questioning police"s authority to give you parking tickets,doctors authoriti to aplly the right treatment to whatever their experience tells them, and judges authority to take disisions..i meen.."who the heck gave them the right to say who's going to go to jail and whos not"..maybe they are controling are brains too when they put a murderer in the jailhouse..LOL
@kathetos1 This statement serves little purpose outside of mocking a valid point. Is it not better to question authority than to submit to it when you are clearly so ignorant of its importance? And even so, when we question doctors, law enforcement and other "experts", they can respond with proven knowledge and experience. Theocracy, on the other hand, is merely a title intended to keep a bewildered herd of followers submissive to the will of another human being in the name of God.
@kathetos1 This statement serves little purpose outside of mocking a valid point. Is it not better to question authority than to submit to it when you are clearly so ignorant of its importance? And even so, when we question doctors, law enforcement and other "experts", they can respond with proven knowledge and experience. Theocracy, on the other hand, is merely a title intended to keep a bewildered herd of followers submissive to the will of another human being in the name of God.
People are afraid of what their neighbors, their friends, relatives and clergy might think if they were even so much as to read the Bible on their own.Recently a Catholic priest remarked that Jehovah's witnesses are doing more to encourage Catholic people to read the Catholic Bible than any other group.Excerpts also from the same Irish Catholic article that you forgot to add.
"People are afraid of what their neighbors, their friends, relatives and clergy might think if they were even so much as to read the Bible on their own."
Please site your source, that's pretty far fetched.
If you notice the last paragraph in your video, you made it up-so it's not ONLY quotes.And this is a COMMENT, not ARGUE forum.My comment is that you say your an active Witness.I think it's wrong for someone to deceptively stay active as a Witness,in order to deceive others,when they don't even believe what they are staying active in.That is hypocritical.That is MY COMMENT.
No one is controlled no matter what you believe in (or secretly profess to believe in,but really don't). The choice is up to each individual to make for themselves. No one can force someone to "believe" what THEY want them to. Ask all those Hitler killed -when they're resurrected-if they could be forced to believe what he was trying to force on them.Most died faithful to what THEY believed in,not what he tried to force on them.GOD gives you the choice.
I would recommend viewers form their own opinion based on the comparitive quotes in the video. Witnesses can be DISFELLOWSHIPPED if they are "questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization." (WT 1/15/83 p.22) Sounds like mind control to me.
No. Because that article was referring to the Catholic Priests not allowing their members to read or gain Bible knowledge,which is what the missionary who narrated that article was referring to. Explaining what she had to overcome to preach to the people there.They were scared when they saw her Bible for fear of reprisal from their clergy,neighbors,etc.The WTS encourages us to read GOD'S Word The Bible daily.Excerpts from the article do not explain the meaning of the article.
"All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave."-WT 10/1/1994 p 8
"The Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible."-WT 10/1/67 p 587
In ancient times GOD used Moses,Noah,Joshua, Many different judges and kings, the Apostles,all to lead HIS people in HIS ways at particular times.Matt.24:45-47 Jesus said there would be a Faithful and Discreet Slave to do that leading-the same as in the past. Those that followed the leader in the past were saved because they listened to GODS representative. I'm sticking with The Faithful and Discreet Slave according to past examples outcomes.
The difference between the biblical heroes and the Watchtower is that when Noah built the ark the flood came. The Watchtower has so many failed prophecies and doctrinal flip-flops. Numbers 23:19."God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" The record of the organizations' past outcomes speak for themselves. And not in a good way.
Note that there were two conditions of the Slave - faithful/discreet and Evil. In order to convince you Jesus was talking about a group of men that would be in charge of his earthly belonging's the Watch Tower has had to 'add' meaning to these verses, to say its about them fulfilling the role.
What makes someone faithful and discreet? Would it be to have a history of failed predictions, darkening God's good name to outsiders? Its one thing to suggest a teaching but another to insist on it, Disfellowshipping any member that disagree's on those teachings.
Bravo, great video. Now that I am out of the "truth" (ding) for seeing it for what it truly is. It's amazing how many scriptures warn people to stay away from groups like WT. In the WT study edition they have bold faced lied about scriptures and what they say even when it says the opposite... and everyone just eats it up. The only ones who speak "twisted things, half truths and lies" is the Bethel writing dept. and not the so called apostates. In any case more more more videos I can't wait.
And Eve said,Ah, the serpent speaks,but how can that be?Oh, it was Satan being the arch deceiver that he was and STILL is, Only now he doesn't use snakes, he uses WTComments, and others like him.Posting videos like a roaring lion seeking to devour someone.
Your bashing the WT isn't a personal attack on the writers is it, or to the millions who believe what it says? Hypocrite. There are no merits for pretending to be something you're not.Come clean in the congregation,quit being deceptive to those closest to you.Jehovah will show you up in his own due time,if you aren't man enough to do it yourself.
If you watch the video you will notice that I ONLY use quotes from Watchtower publications to prove the use of mind control in other WT publications. If that is bashing the WT, I'm not to blame. "Hypocrite"...another personal attack. Care to argue the merits of the video?
The WTS is one arch deciever in the world today. Im happy for you that you are watching these videos, I hope it helps you escape from the deception. Its easy to rationalize it away with WTS propaganda because to real truth hurts. Keep listening and I hope you eventually escape. Peace.
my dear friend...that's what JOHN ment when he said that apostates ONLY destroy...
thanks for clearing that up for me..!
so basicly what you are telling me is that
"i dont know what these things meen.the only thing i know is that the GB is WRONG!!"
you are only trying to destroy what the JW bielive..i was only asking your opinion on these matters so we could discus. not to dictate me what to bielive!...please...dont let some elder whos been hard on you,in your way to life!!!
So if someone tears down a false belief - they must first have a replacement belief in order for them to be right? This looks like you've fallen into another propagandist technique, that of atacking the person in order to discredit what they say.
lol...are you kinding me???ofcourse if someone tears down a false belief i think that yes he must have an alternative and logical explenation...its like saying "the pythagorian low its WRONG...but i dont have a clue what is right"..haha...besides the matter we are discuisting its not a theoretical matter...its REAL and it AFFECTS our lifes and our EVERLASTING life(if there is one, from your point of view)...its not some trivial issue i think...and the poin is not to proove me wrong.
or to proove you wrong.the point is that i dont know what YOU belive so i can start a dialoge that is based on facts and opinions..AS for the video ITSELF..sorry..but i cant see where exactly PROOVES that the biliefs of the JW is wrong?? the only thing that the video does is by using sophesties shows tha the GB is trying to control our thoughts..ist not telling WHY they do it, or even if what they are trying to makes us belive is right or not...its just says
let me give you an example. if YOU try to control the toughts of YOU OWN son to avoid him to touch your fire place..is it wrong?
its all a matter of if you are accepting the fact tha someone knows more that you do and willing to obey him. by the same logic some christian from the first century church could have said.." and who the hell is PAUL that he knows better than me..i think he is wrong"
I can make you have self-effacement.its a quality that apostates lacking!
Why don't we discuss the validity of the video? I cannot destroy what JWs believe, it is up to them to make up their minds on the information available.
LOL...nice proudactive dialoge james77korea....based on logical arguments i think..haha..
by the way ...WTcomments..i am still waiting a video with your positions on the matters i told you ....not just Sarcasim,,,Please Give us YOR TRUTH...SET US FREE!!!!
I am not interested in telling you what to think. I do hope to show HOW to think. In that way you are truly free to believe. If you are looking for another leader, look inside.
You mean the positions like the soul, trinity, and the other "beliefs" that the Witnesses got from Second Adventists? Uh-oh, you probably didn't know that either, did you?
To continue, also to note every individual gets train to sell or in modern times promote more of their published literature,this labor was of course done volunteer for free. This unfortuatly wasn't always the way it was done back in Russell's time the magazines and books were bought by true door to door salesmen who tried to make money in doing so by putting a mark up value on every piece of literature. So you can see the WTS started as a real business and not a non-profit organization.
It seems in every growing and expanding business where the structural engineers are living off the proceeds of that business, there seems to always be an inward need or desire for more money, not only for personal needs but to also help the business grow and in this case it was world wide.Essentially ever person to come into the flock brought more and more power placed in the hands who ever stood on top of the tower. Also every person brought in had the potential to be one of their free workers
secondlly now i think that you are using the "red herring" strategy...the issue is not whether i will be deswellowship or not..the issue is what JW bilieve is the most logical inerpertation of the bible..
i would really like to know what is YOUR position in matters as "the generation","144.000", trinity,paradise on earth,life after death,heven and hell, the antichrist and others, than just critisize and try to make fun af what the JW bieleve...
first of all let me tell you that your opinion about Benefit and profit diferse very much with what i've studied in the university. i have a financial studies degree and i think the term "profit" , from the board of derectors,the CEO and the shereholders ,of a multinational corp point of view DOES NOT meen a 4X4 room in Brooklin and travels around the world for bussines..not for pleasure!!!
my point exactly rachelbinto..... the organisation maybe VERY rich but their highest members do NOT benefit from it....its like saying that MICROSOFT is the riched corperation in the word but Gates and its sherholder are poor!!!
as for your last comment....did PAUL hade graeter wisdom than the other 1st centure christian? and if he did...who gave him the authority to make sugestions?
How can you say the Governing Body does not benefit? They live in penthouses in the best part of Brooklyn, are flown all over the world and treated as royalty where ever they go. The best financial trick an individual can play is to remain separate from the income available to them.
How the power is manifested is not the issue. These videos prove that mind-control is in place. Wielding that influence over seven million people can get you a lot of things, if not fill the bank accounts of the Watchtower Society.
what i ment was that when reymont franz left the JW eventhouth had the most power position in the organizasion he had in his bank account 600 dollars and he was forced to work in a groshery shop to make a living!!!! imagine....the ONE from the "EVIL" governing body the highest rank of command in the JW organization!!!!and this are not my words...its his and i think you know it!
hello again...thanks for the replay...i think that you are using the "appeal to fear" strategy...or am i wrong?:)
look...i know what happens after i baptised...my mother raised me as a jehova witnees.but i was never baptised.i am 30 years old and when i become 18 i went to enjoy the "goods" of life apart from the JW..
This is not an "appeal to fear," it is a FACT. I challenge you to go to your elders and show them your posts. What do you think their reaction will be?
Thank you for posting, but the language barrier is in the way of your point. Can you clarify? These are the last few days of your ability to question the doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses. Once you are baptized you could be disfellowshipped if you insist on viewing information like this or even discuss "apostate" thoughts. Are you sure you want to hand over your mind like that?
if you open a bank account of the smalest clerk in the vatican,or the orthodox church,or your americans televangelists, you will find zillion of dollars...!!!
for me that says a lot....an awyful lot
sorry from my english...
PS...i am looking forward your next episode...it just makes my believes stronger...really...its not a sarcasm!
hello friends...i am someone that is going to be baptized this summer...i like to think that i am not a stupid person so i tried to look ferther to what other have to say about the JW...and let me tell you this...i would rather be a member of a "cult" that brainwashes me,who's one of their leaders ( your favorit Reymont Franz)..when he dicide it to be apart from it...he had in the bank the astronomical amount of 600 dollars..than to be a member of whatever you mean "good religion" who's ...
Looks like you are the Watchtower's target audience. Might want to revisit basic sentence structure and grammer before your door-to-door presentation.
The Watchtower was rated one of the top 40 companies in NYC in terms of revenue, bringing in 951 million dollars per year. In addition they hold 200 BILLION dollars in real estate. For a small organization they are very financially shrewd. Yet when Franz left he had almost no bank account, no place to live, no pension plan to support himself after a lifetime of dedication to the organization. Hmmn... Salvation is by personal relationship with God, not membership in an organization.
My advice to you is to FIRST do a personal and prayerful reading and studying of the Bible before you EVEN think of getting baptized AS A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS. You should wonder why JW speak of their baptism this way.
The CORRECT way when speaking of baptism is to say that you are getting baptized AS A CHRISTIAN.
Heck, if they had everything absolutely perfect in their literature and beliefs that would mean that they were perfect, but no one is perfect yet. Knowledge, even knowledge of God doesn't come in a linear fashion. God has used imperfect people to carry out his purposes. In my opinion most of what other religions teach is far, far, far more full of theological holes than what the Witnesses teach. I am not a Witness and never have been.
infosurf, since you are not a JW, let me add this critical factor to your argument. The religion will DISFELLOWSHIP members who do not believe as they do. JWs do not have a "linear fashion" of knowledge. Indeed, the record resembles a logical pretzle that JWs are forced to follow without dissent. That's the mind control exposed in these videos.
Yes,you are. About "imperfect people":This is JW-double-talk. They have claimed MANY times thruout the years to be "Jehovahs inspired prophet on earth in the last days".If you keep spreading lies like that,I`m gonna have to post them.
And does that mean Jehovah's Witnesses haven't gotten anything right? Witnesses who know the ins-and-outs of their doctrinal shifts concentrate on the things that have stood the test of time. In my opinion many things they've taught have stood up to scrutiny and those things that haven't are being reexamined and reexplained.
Infosurf .... Oh, yeah, it's ok for the Witnesses to teach false doctrine, ("docrinal shifts") but why don't they ALSO give some SLACK to the other churches who also have "doctrinal shifts"? But no! They accuse them of being "professed Christians" because they, too teach some error. So basically to prejudge others as being a "professed Christian", on the bases of their errors, is the SAME as the Governing Body judging themselves as "professed Christians" because they, too. teach error.
Neither they, as individuals, nor their leaders have ever really claimed to be 'inspired' - in contrast to the Mormon leadership, for instance. Witnesses have sometimes overstated their conclusions in their interpretations of Biblical prophecy, at times, throughout their history, yes, but that's all I've been able to garner from their literature. Their theologians at Bethel are still trying to figure things out things. What's wrong with that?
"Those who do not read can hear, for God has on earth today a prophetlike organization, just as he did in the days of the early Christian congregation." Watchtower 1964 Oct. 1 p.601
They are free to figure out whatever they want to about theology, as long as no one is injured for following them. They are not free to coerce kids into refusing blood transfusions. They are also not free to cover up pedophilia just to keep "Jehovah's name" clean.
What is wrong, is that they have been repeatedly wrong on their proclaimed "truths" about the bible. They have gone against what the bible says, that "no one, NOT EVEN THE SON, knows the day or hour" of Armageddon. Yet, numerous times they have published the date, and admonished followers to not get married, or have children because THE END IS NIGH. And what about those that honestly want to worship God, yet don't believe everything the WTBS teaches? They get DF'd and lose their family.
I'll tell you what's "wrong" with it. Seeing that they now claim no inspiration, then they should STOP claiming to be "the Channel God is using to provide food at "the proper time" on His table".
Also, they contradict Jesus' own words. Jesus said that he IS COMING. He has been given King David's throne. This is an earthly throne. The GB now teach that Jesus IS NOT COMING but is staying up in heaven to rule from there. Where are the Scriptures to support this? There IS NONE.Matt. 24:30
Sure there are issues with JW theology, eschatology and history which they need to deal with by refining their doctrines, which they've been doing - and yes there have been immature conclusions published in their literature, but that doesn't change the fact that Armageddon is around the corner (by which I mean tomorrow, next year, 20 years from now, 100 years from now, 200 years from now). Now matter how you slice it or dice it we ARE living in the 'end times'.
The purpose of this video is to point out how the Watchtower uses propaganda, the very same techniques they decry in other issues of their own magazines. This is double-speak and condemns their own methods.
Ha ha,and you claim to not be a JW? That is BS!I was raised in your shitty cult,and your jw-ism is all thru your way of presenting your arguments,your language,your thought.I can spot it a mile away.You ARE a jehovahs witness,probably one in a high position,posting here under false flag,laying out a smoke screen to make your religion look better.Take your "theocratic warfare" somewhere else.
I've never been one of Jehovah's Witnesses, so that nullifies your inaccurate assertions regarding me and what I'm about - plain and simple. More importantly, WTComments or the people/person behind the WTComments videos says he's an active member.
If we were to say: "The Bible is truly the inspired word of God but all other religious texts are false and not from God and are of no lasting value and actually are products of the Devil and God's wrath is upon those who believe such false religious texts if they don't change their beliefs" (as many reading this would agree), wouldn't we be setting up ourselves for the following: "You Bible believers make sweeping generalizations, using loaded language and fear fostering techniques?"
Propaganda is everywhere, especially in advertising. Fallacy becomes dangerous when it is used to bind minds in unswerving devotion to a group of imperfect men, in this case the Governing Body. Very few religions take such severe measures against dissenters as JWs do. Any such group begs scrutiny.
"How can you be critical of the truth?" Excellent point. I love how you show the text of 1 John 4:1, after that. Priceless!
Yeah, we have no real idea of what the Governing Body bases their ideas on - we only have what they give us. So, basically, they're not being straightforward with us. I guess they think we can't handle the truth.
As an aside, I noticed how they have a "token-black-guy" in the Governing Body when you showed their picture.
I like the new sound effects, V, and how you made sure to differentiate the word "truth" from JW Truth®. You're really improving your craft on these videos. Great job as always!
AWESOME!!! AWESOME AWESOME!!!! If I could give you 10 stars I would..I love your videos, they are clear and easy to understand, it's hard for anyone to reasonably argue with your videos and they are taken directly from the organizations literature and show the constant inconsistancies and fallacies..Thank you so much..Now if I could only get my family to watch them..lol
I can't thk u enough for posting the videos-my spouse is now a JW & ur videos & JWD has helped me tremendously in learning what the WTS is all about. WHAT MANIPULATORS!! My spouse is no longer the person I married-he is under THEIR control. Don't know how to reach him(I am christian & know the bible so he can't deceive me)I no longer trust him or believe him (we have kids & must always be on the alert-is that pathetic or what?)Sorry for rant,I just wanted to thk you very much for ur videos
The videos are designed to be watched by JWs and "should" be reasonable to them because we only source Watchtower publications. Challenge your husband to watch a video or two and get his opinion (no personal attacks allowed!) on the material. I'm a married JW too, so I understand...
Very informative V, well done again your videos are really helping people see the corruption and deceit of this very damaging cult, thanks for all your work on this !
Excellent! I continue to attend meetings for personal reasons, but thanks to your videos, reading a Watchtower publication will never be the same, I can clearly see your points! And the best part is that we are talking about their own literature, not apostate writings. Thanks again! Keep up the Good Work!
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These "Mindless Sheep" have been conditioned into believing all that the watchtower society deems as "TRUTH." Blind obedience or you are shunned, which is far worse than an islamic honor killing. When you are disfeffowshipped, you are cast out from "jehova's protection" and his other mindless lambs. Your family turns their backs on you as if you are dead. My parents and some siblings are dead. I never went to their funerals, not because I was not welcome, but because I moved on.
jonathonlb 3 weeks ago
Thats why all people will attack and hate them at the end of the days
MrQuad4w41 2 months ago
Oh no! A religion is spewing dogmatic crap! Who would have known?
Mornys 3 months ago
Triple "like." As always, excellent videos. Thanks!
marvfay 5 months ago
The video is well thought out. Thank you.
torrents4u2c 7 months ago
Jesus said there is only one path to the truth...READ Matthew 7:13,14, ..."few are the ones finding it." JW's are the only ones following Jesus Christ today. They are obedient to Jesus when he taught his disciples to preach the good news of God's Kingdom. They follow Matthew 6:9,10, keeping God's name hallowed, or holy, using and honoring his Most Holy Name-JEHOVAH. We are witnesses that Jehovah is God! We keep separate from the world as Jesus taught. READ John 17:16. James 4:4. 1 John 5:19.
eternityandforever 10 months ago
@eternityandforever and yet here you are consorting with the rest of the world. I don't begrudge you your stupid beliefs, but if you're going to claim that you're remaining separate and apart from us, you could at least have the courtesy to stop showing up in public to tell us that you're not associating with us.
(remaining separated from society is the defining trait of a cult one notes)
integralmath 3 months ago
All you asshole jehovah's witnesses that want to argue can go and SUPER FUCK YOUR GOD!
Have a nice day and same my name to someone you love today.
SuperFuckyourgod 11 months ago
Your good. You launch bombs on this organization. Only the blind can't see. Even worse, because they choose to be blind!
Asoldier1844 1 year ago
how come at the end of your great vids it says "produced by an active member of JWs"?
IoSonoIoProprioIo 1 year ago
Anyone who is under orders has to obey no matter how loving they appear to be, if a person is under the law of man he will hate who he is told to hate. Look what religious people did too our Lord who came to show hard hearted people what true Love is. People who try to please God and get his favour through religious works and preaching are like whitewashed graves. Outside they appear moral and good but inside they are full of corruption, just quoting our Lord and he never lied.
utobsite 1 year ago
I find it sad that a group of such wonderful people with hearts of gold are so closed minded, but they are. As this video points out, they do not come to your doorstep to 'share' anything with you. Sharing impies an exchange of ideas and they are forbidden from accepting anything you say, however reasonable, if it's not acceptable to the WT society. They must check their brain at the doorways of Kingdom Hall, which they willingly do. Sorry folks, but I still love 'em, they are not evil.
traycox01 1 year ago
I ask 2 Jws in my home this question: 'How is the light in the Bible does not change but the light in the WT literature does change?
One replied: 'Because the light in the Bible is basic light and the light in our literature is superior light.' I asked 'How do you know this?' Ans 'It wouldn't be superior if it didn't change'.
napsuta 1 year ago
since this video is produced by an active member of Jehovah's Witnesses and Jehovah's Winesses are victims of the society and fear and do not think independently then this video is nothing but Watchtower propaganda. Besides even if everything you say is true; so what ?
Jehovah's Witnesses have their religous beliefs as do others if you don't share their views its your perogative. Fallacies occur often so its no surprise that you will find some in the literature;
OriginalJoseyWales 1 year ago
The Watch Tower should be renamed the Lost Tower.
Gjon777 1 year ago
Made by an *active* member? WTF! Shouldn't be an apostate by now? You clearly do too much independant thinking.
I love the Registered Trademark ding. It's impossible to reject 'the Truth" now, isn't it kids?
shockadelicaustralia 1 year ago
All your videos have extremely high production value! I just love them! Great voice over on the videos.
But what makes them priceless is the clear logic used to show the WT-Org as a False Prophet. Well done, keep up the great work, I have used your videos to help free and open the mind of one of my dearest friends in the cult, now we are both free. Can not thank you enough!
3Mozzies 1 year ago
great work wtcomments, keep the punches rolling, because this Giant is going to hit the floor...
Elijahreturns1 1 year ago
This is so geniously presented. Thank you in the name of all those who will be set free by it and other valid arguments.
blepat 1 year ago
wow...read a book other than the bible???? great advice.
Ecsitaly91 1 year ago
Superb video! I also love your voice. :)
darkpersianuk 2 years ago
first off all reilgion is crap but alot of what they said is true most christain leaders are full of crap.the list of hucksters is endless. jim and tammy jimmy sawgart pat robertson jerry falwell come read a book other then the bible find some real truth
alltiedup217 2 years ago
What's crazy is that this isn't a parody. The publications are full of these double standards and they really do discourage individual thinking. "The heart is more treacherous than anything else and is desperate" Jeremiah 17:9-10
I see that scripture alot.
ElusiveElixe 2 years ago
Another thing:
"The Truth" is now identified as *the Organization* When a Jehovah's Witness says that he is "in the truth",he means that he is a member of the Organization. And if a person a person shows any criticism of *the Organization* it's the same as *criticising "The Truth".
But it's not "the truth"that is being examined,or criticised at all, it's the Organization.
As you cleverly showed in your video here,the GB seems TO THINK that they personally own the Patent to"The Truth"..DING!
Anchor707 2 years ago 3
Super Job! I loved it! The Watchtower GB is using the same tactics that they accuse others of using. This video shows perfectly their hypocrisy, by showing from their OWN literature that they are just as guilty, and shows how they, too use LOADED LANGUAGE and attack the messenger instead of examining whether the message is true.
Concerning the Memorial.Jesus said "keep doing this until I come". JW are*still doing it*. Showing that he hasn't yet given the WTS his "belongings" nor authority.
Anchor707 2 years ago 4
god bless ya, soo true!
1962islander 2 years ago
Lemme guess you are sponsored by the catholic church.
dajhrm 2 years ago
Wow too bad the people wo make this video dont mention that apostacy is mentioned many times in the bible and we are specifically warned to watch for it, JW's did not make up the word Apostates, Your video has many misleading statements, as all of them do. And the truth is based on the scriptures, and our interpertation of it. Man is fallible and so is our judgement at times
dajhrm 2 years ago
dajhrm,
Since the GB now teaches that Jesus doesn't actually COME back to the earth, and the separation of the sheep and the goats is FUTURE, then how can they CLAIM that Jesus CAME and personally COMMENDED the "slave class" and put them in charge of all of his personal belongings? LIke WHEN did this happen? Since Jesus hasn't returned yet, and he isn't going to?
What PROOF is there that Jesus gave TO them all his belongings? What exactly did he SAY TO THEM? He hasn't spoken to them.
Anchor707 2 years ago
Its what frustrated me the most growing up and becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses. The circular reasoning never stops you just spin and spin. I never liked the feeling that you were being persuaded to be a Witness or to believe the Only way. This Video could not be said any better its right on the mark.
4getJLG 2 years ago 3
True dat Braddah!
blueyz424 2 years ago
Excellent series. Your videos point out huge holes and inconsistencies in their beliefs, yet they are still a fair and balanced view of the JW beliefs. I hope some JW's will take the time to shrewdly examine their own beliefs... after all, the Bible encourages that.
LandonAlgar 2 years ago
Brilliant ending
ccappell1 2 years ago
JW religion is a CULT any way you slice it. Only a blind fool could not see it.
bj616 3 years ago 2
this video is very good its more like a wake up call....but its for the person to decide wether or not they r goin to accept the things u have said.....they truly r wolves in sheep clothing...they may look like christains and soud like one but in reality they r not its just a distortion of the truth
shonekaakaneika 3 years ago
"The Truth" ding!
Good one!
cuttysark9712 3 years ago
Nicely done
dagmastr3 3 years ago
thnx so much 4 video its all true
saturndesign07 3 years ago
I was a JW for 20 years. I know first hand how the watchtower operates. This video is correct about the Watchtower.
odinbat 3 years ago 3
Hey, odinbat, me too! I was in it for 50 years! They have ALWAYS used LOADED LANGUAGE,
Anchor707 2 years ago
I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the hard work you are doing, your videos are so intelligent. The Watchtower has become to big for its boots! I believe that you guys have got what it takes to challenge those arrogant bullies and bring them back down to earth.. because they have gone to far, way to far.
Slaving4Jehovah 3 years ago 3
"The Truth" ding!
Tavlo 3 years ago 2
Brilliant ! Well done!
krissy4nik 3 years ago
This is a great video. Remember to be brain washed is a good thing! :-)
BR549Kwg 3 years ago
These vids are great!!! Keep it up!!! :D
Redclif101 3 years ago 6
Every time that 'R' on "The Truth" dings it cracks me up. LOL =))
Redclif101 3 years ago 5
Bravo!!
myxmtrpls 3 years ago 3
Thanks a mil for posting these vids, I hope many will listen and begin to question that movement. Its difficult but well worth in the end.
Ahouseisnotahome 3 years ago 3
EXCELLENT! I loved it! Absolutely true! By using terminology that has been given derrogatory implications by the WTS, the JW is trained to turn his or her mind off to anything that is said by anyone who is classified by the terminology. This is particularly true of "apostates" & "Christendom". And, as usual, they have given their own definitions to the terms. An apostate would be one who turns his back on GOD, not one who merely defects from the WTS! If anything, "apostates" can now serve GOD!!
Simon61161 3 years ago 3
Very intelligent comment Simon61161.
Slaving4Jehovah 3 years ago
This video is 'aces' in my book. Not only will I look out for those fallacies while talking to cultists about religion, but I will also listen out for them in every conversation, debate, or arguement.
Thanks, christopher
james3v6 3 years ago
2. Some points. I think if you dig deeper you will find that the WTBS thinks the 'faithful and discreet slave class', have more collective wisdom. They, as a class, not individuals, are directed by holy spirit. A mis-direction and mis-quote by WTcomment. Why? To decieve you. Not to change any Jehovah's Witnesses minds. The WTBS never uses 'deceptive' language. What would be the point with millions of magnifying glasses on their literature. They meant to label apostates. THEY'RE APOSTATES!!!
nibornagrom 3 years ago
"A mis-direction and mis-quote" Um, since the video only quotes WT literature, how am I deceiving?
Regarding labeling "apostates," the video speaks for itself, and so does the Awake! magazine on propaganda. I don't make this stuff up...
WTComments 3 years ago 4
niborn- If you dont mind can you answer me a question ? If guided by the holy spirit then why so many mistakes and new light? Can the holy spirit fail or be wrong ? And did you know the word apostate means nothing it is a man made label intended to demean a person who feels your religion is ridiculus as I do, hahahah Im an apostate I'm an a apostate. Who cares !!!!
Meadowgirl040807 3 years ago 2
niibornagrom .........Yeah, right. Same old JW behavior which is to *attack the messenger* and ignore the message. LOL! Good job.
Anchor707 2 years ago
1. Slick production and use of language. If anyone watching this is swayed because of the 'logic' or 'reasoning' presented then you need to switch on your brain and examine the religion yourself. Yes, actually do what the producer of this video must have done. Go get the literature and read it for yourself. Check out the many references found in the pages of the Watchtower literature. See if what he is quoting is correct. Make sure WTcomments is telling you the truth about Jehovah's Witnesses.
nibornagrom 3 years ago
Viewers are more than welcome to check the validity of its quotes. That's why all references are listed.
WTComments 3 years ago 2
A JW telling others to "switch on your brain".....NOW THAT'S COMEDY!
NewJerusalem1979 3 years ago 7
@nibornagrom - Already done it. Any educated, truly astute and discerning person can easily see through the brain-training, self-aggrandizing tactics in the literature. It's there for all to see.
Pwyrdan 1 year ago
It's amazing despite the overwhelming evidence against the WTBTS, devoute self righteous JWs come on here yelling apostate, false claims, blah, blah with nothing to support the contrary.
GREAT VID V!!!
ah0386 3 years ago 2
I find the WT's double standards quite sickening. Thanks for the great vid!
spitandsawdust 3 years ago
One word to describe this video: WOW! Great work! Well done! Super!
MrKattt 3 years ago 2
are you for real??? or just a bot that generates comments??
hahah..
you have banned me for commenting??am i been desfelloshiped from this site???
hahaha
you are absalutly right my friend...
its just a waste of time...
be well...
kathetos1 3 years ago
kathelos, I am going to ask you to stop commenting. People will think I pay you to post these comments in order to smear Witnesses. I should warn you that your "witness" is only furthering my cause.
"sorry about the irony my friend but is the only weapon i have left...."
Apparently.
WTComments 3 years ago
not to mention the falicies of democracy..eventhough democracy was found in Greece, one of the greater philosophers "PLATON" in his work "politia" exposed the giagantic holes democracy has and stated that the ideal political system is the one that the wise and capable should be in charge, and not those who the majority has elected...
not to mention where Democracy gone us to...it let peapole like BUSH become the president of the most powerfull nation in the world!
kathetos1 3 years ago
and to get serius...
whats all the fass about desfellowsip...i think its very logical if you dont agree with the teaching of a religion you should retire by your self...we souldn't have to desfellowsip you...the disfellowship its a mesure for those who deesagre and they are not couregious enough to leave by themselfes..
God kingdom is by no meens democratic..!!!
kathetos1 3 years ago
sorry about my previous comment..but the lough was so spundenious when i read the comment...maybe you are right...we are not as clean us the catholic curch in the middle ages or even now....or us clean us the orthodox church in the greek revolution in 1821 or the greek civil war in 1946, but we try.....
hahahah
sorry about the irony my friend but is the only weapon i have left....
the logic weapon are useless to your kind because you are wearing anti-logic shields!!
kathetos1 3 years ago
It used to be that the Catholics, the Orthodox churches, were the only ones who persecuted their own church members over doctrine, but NOW THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY DOES IT.
Anchor707 2 years ago
hahahahahahaha...WE had darkening jehovas GOOD name?????
hahahaha....thanks for the good lough my friend!!!
kathetos1 3 years ago
it was a metafor my friend..an exaguration...
you know who has a thought control problem like you do?i think you know him..let me see...what is his name...hmmmmm...oh yea...his name i SATAN...:P
never mind...have a nice life..!
60-70 years is it?...haha..lol...
kathetos1 3 years ago
lol...WT Commends.. i think you have an authority issue..i supose you are questioning police"s authority to give you parking tickets,doctors authoriti to aplly the right treatment to whatever their experience tells them, and judges authority to take disisions..i meen.."who the heck gave them the right to say who's going to go to jail and whos not"..maybe they are controling are brains too when they put a murderer in the jailhouse..LOL
deal with your issues!!
kathetos1 3 years ago
There is an difference between law enforcement and THOUGHT police. A judge cannot 'control brains' by sending someone to jail.
WTComments 3 years ago
@kathetos1 This statement serves little purpose outside of mocking a valid point. Is it not better to question authority than to submit to it when you are clearly so ignorant of its importance? And even so, when we question doctors, law enforcement and other "experts", they can respond with proven knowledge and experience. Theocracy, on the other hand, is merely a title intended to keep a bewildered herd of followers submissive to the will of another human being in the name of God.
silverscreenninja 9 months ago
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@kathetos1 This statement serves little purpose outside of mocking a valid point. Is it not better to question authority than to submit to it when you are clearly so ignorant of its importance? And even so, when we question doctors, law enforcement and other "experts", they can respond with proven knowledge and experience. Theocracy, on the other hand, is merely a title intended to keep a bewildered herd of followers submissive to the will of another human being in the name of God.
silverscreenninja 9 months ago
People are afraid of what their neighbors, their friends, relatives and clergy might think if they were even so much as to read the Bible on their own.Recently a Catholic priest remarked that Jehovah's witnesses are doing more to encourage Catholic people to read the Catholic Bible than any other group.Excerpts also from the same Irish Catholic article that you forgot to add.
rdahui 3 years ago
"People are afraid of what their neighbors, their friends, relatives and clergy might think if they were even so much as to read the Bible on their own."
Please site your source, that's pretty far fetched.
WTComments 3 years ago
It's from the same article of the WT that you used-WT 8/1 1958 pg.460.
rdahui 3 years ago
If you notice the last paragraph in your video, you made it up-so it's not ONLY quotes.And this is a COMMENT, not ARGUE forum.My comment is that you say your an active Witness.I think it's wrong for someone to deceptively stay active as a Witness,in order to deceive others,when they don't even believe what they are staying active in.That is hypocritical.That is MY COMMENT.
rdahui 3 years ago
Thank you for your comment. Do you think what the WT said about Irish Catholics applies to the way Witnesses are controlled today?
WTComments 3 years ago
No one is controlled no matter what you believe in (or secretly profess to believe in,but really don't). The choice is up to each individual to make for themselves. No one can force someone to "believe" what THEY want them to. Ask all those Hitler killed -when they're resurrected-if they could be forced to believe what he was trying to force on them.Most died faithful to what THEY believed in,not what he tried to force on them.GOD gives you the choice.
rdahui 3 years ago
I would recommend viewers form their own opinion based on the comparitive quotes in the video. Witnesses can be DISFELLOWSHIPPED if they are "questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization." (WT 1/15/83 p.22) Sounds like mind control to me.
WTComments 3 years ago
No. Because that article was referring to the Catholic Priests not allowing their members to read or gain Bible knowledge,which is what the missionary who narrated that article was referring to. Explaining what she had to overcome to preach to the people there.They were scared when they saw her Bible for fear of reprisal from their clergy,neighbors,etc.The WTS encourages us to read GOD'S Word The Bible daily.Excerpts from the article do not explain the meaning of the article.
rdahui 3 years ago
Are Witnesses to "read the Bible on their own"?
"All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave."-WT 10/1/1994 p 8
"The Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible."-WT 10/1/67 p 587
WTComments 3 years ago
In ancient times GOD used Moses,Noah,Joshua, Many different judges and kings, the Apostles,all to lead HIS people in HIS ways at particular times.Matt.24:45-47 Jesus said there would be a Faithful and Discreet Slave to do that leading-the same as in the past. Those that followed the leader in the past were saved because they listened to GODS representative. I'm sticking with The Faithful and Discreet Slave according to past examples outcomes.
rdahui 3 years ago
The difference between the biblical heroes and the Watchtower is that when Noah built the ark the flood came. The Watchtower has so many failed prophecies and doctrinal flip-flops. Numbers 23:19."God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" The record of the organizations' past outcomes speak for themselves. And not in a good way.
rachelbinto 3 years ago
Note that there were two conditions of the Slave - faithful/discreet and Evil. In order to convince you Jesus was talking about a group of men that would be in charge of his earthly belonging's the Watch Tower has had to 'add' meaning to these verses, to say its about them fulfilling the role.
cyberdynesystemsT800 3 years ago
What makes someone faithful and discreet? Would it be to have a history of failed predictions, darkening God's good name to outsiders? Its one thing to suggest a teaching but another to insist on it, Disfellowshipping any member that disagree's on those teachings.
cyberdynesystemsT800 3 years ago
Bravo, great video. Now that I am out of the "truth" (ding) for seeing it for what it truly is. It's amazing how many scriptures warn people to stay away from groups like WT. In the WT study edition they have bold faced lied about scriptures and what they say even when it says the opposite... and everyone just eats it up. The only ones who speak "twisted things, half truths and lies" is the Bethel writing dept. and not the so called apostates. In any case more more more videos I can't wait.
icandynetwork 3 years ago
And Eve said,Ah, the serpent speaks,but how can that be?Oh, it was Satan being the arch deceiver that he was and STILL is, Only now he doesn't use snakes, he uses WTComments, and others like him.Posting videos like a roaring lion seeking to devour someone.
rdahui 3 years ago
Another personal attack. When will someone argue the merits of the video?
WTComments 3 years ago
Your bashing the WT isn't a personal attack on the writers is it, or to the millions who believe what it says? Hypocrite. There are no merits for pretending to be something you're not.Come clean in the congregation,quit being deceptive to those closest to you.Jehovah will show you up in his own due time,if you aren't man enough to do it yourself.
rdahui 3 years ago
If you watch the video you will notice that I ONLY use quotes from Watchtower publications to prove the use of mind control in other WT publications. If that is bashing the WT, I'm not to blame. "Hypocrite"...another personal attack. Care to argue the merits of the video?
WTComments 3 years ago
The WTS is one arch deciever in the world today. Im happy for you that you are watching these videos, I hope it helps you escape from the deception. Its easy to rationalize it away with WTS propaganda because to real truth hurts. Keep listening and I hope you eventually escape. Peace.
Nimzomyth68 3 years ago
my dear friend...that's what JOHN ment when he said that apostates ONLY destroy...
thanks for clearing that up for me..!
so basicly what you are telling me is that
"i dont know what these things meen.the only thing i know is that the GB is WRONG!!"
you are only trying to destroy what the JW bielive..i was only asking your opinion on these matters so we could discus. not to dictate me what to bielive!...please...dont let some elder whos been hard on you,in your way to life!!!
kathetos1 3 years ago
So if someone tears down a false belief - they must first have a replacement belief in order for them to be right? This looks like you've fallen into another propagandist technique, that of atacking the person in order to discredit what they say.
cyberdynesystemsT800 3 years ago
lol...are you kinding me???ofcourse if someone tears down a false belief i think that yes he must have an alternative and logical explenation...its like saying "the pythagorian low its WRONG...but i dont have a clue what is right"..haha...besides the matter we are discuisting its not a theoretical matter...its REAL and it AFFECTS our lifes and our EVERLASTING life(if there is one, from your point of view)...its not some trivial issue i think...and the poin is not to proove me wrong.
kathetos1 3 years ago
or to proove you wrong.the point is that i dont know what YOU belive so i can start a dialoge that is based on facts and opinions..AS for the video ITSELF..sorry..but i cant see where exactly PROOVES that the biliefs of the JW is wrong?? the only thing that the video does is by using sophesties shows tha the GB is trying to control our thoughts..ist not telling WHY they do it, or even if what they are trying to makes us belive is right or not...its just says
kathetos1 3 years ago
let me give you an example. if YOU try to control the toughts of YOU OWN son to avoid him to touch your fire place..is it wrong?
its all a matter of if you are accepting the fact tha someone knows more that you do and willing to obey him. by the same logic some christian from the first century church could have said.." and who the hell is PAUL that he knows better than me..i think he is wrong"
I can make you have self-effacement.its a quality that apostates lacking!
kathetos1 3 years ago
If we can agree that the video show the Governing Body is trying to control thought, I have made my point.
WTComments 3 years ago
"of course if someone tears down a false belief i think that yes he must have an alternative and logical explenation"
NOT TRUE. 2+2=5? Incorrect. I do not have to state the correct answer, anyone who understands math can figure the rest out.
WTComments 3 years ago
Why don't we discuss the validity of the video? I cannot destroy what JWs believe, it is up to them to make up their minds on the information available.
WTComments 3 years ago
LOL...nice proudactive dialoge james77korea....based on logical arguments i think..haha..
by the way ...WTcomments..i am still waiting a video with your positions on the matters i told you ....not just Sarcasim,,,Please Give us YOR TRUTH...SET US FREE!!!!
kathetos1 3 years ago
I am not interested in telling you what to think. I do hope to show HOW to think. In that way you are truly free to believe. If you are looking for another leader, look inside.
WTComments 3 years ago
You mean the positions like the soul, trinity, and the other "beliefs" that the Witnesses got from Second Adventists? Uh-oh, you probably didn't know that either, did you?
NewJerusalem1979 3 years ago
hhahhahahah...you idiot!
james77korea 3 years ago
To continue, also to note every individual gets train to sell or in modern times promote more of their published literature,this labor was of course done volunteer for free. This unfortuatly wasn't always the way it was done back in Russell's time the magazines and books were bought by true door to door salesmen who tried to make money in doing so by putting a mark up value on every piece of literature. So you can see the WTS started as a real business and not a non-profit organization.
coolsmith241 3 years ago
It seems in every growing and expanding business where the structural engineers are living off the proceeds of that business, there seems to always be an inward need or desire for more money, not only for personal needs but to also help the business grow and in this case it was world wide.Essentially ever person to come into the flock brought more and more power placed in the hands who ever stood on top of the tower. Also every person brought in had the potential to be one of their free workers
coolsmith241 3 years ago
secondlly now i think that you are using the "red herring" strategy...the issue is not whether i will be deswellowship or not..the issue is what JW bilieve is the most logical inerpertation of the bible..
i would really like to know what is YOUR position in matters as "the generation","144.000", trinity,paradise on earth,life after death,heven and hell, the antichrist and others, than just critisize and try to make fun af what the JW bieleve...
kathetos1 3 years ago
Fancinating interpretation of fallacy, I encourage you to keep studying that...
WTComments 3 years ago
first of all let me tell you that your opinion about Benefit and profit diferse very much with what i've studied in the university. i have a financial studies degree and i think the term "profit" , from the board of derectors,the CEO and the shereholders ,of a multinational corp point of view DOES NOT meen a 4X4 room in Brooklin and travels around the world for bussines..not for pleasure!!!
kathetos1 3 years ago
PS: reymont Franz was offerd a pension by the WT but he refused it.
kathetos1 3 years ago
my point exactly rachelbinto..... the organisation maybe VERY rich but their highest members do NOT benefit from it....its like saying that MICROSOFT is the riched corperation in the word but Gates and its sherholder are poor!!!
as for your last comment....did PAUL hade graeter wisdom than the other 1st centure christian? and if he did...who gave him the authority to make sugestions?
kathetos1 3 years ago
How can you say the Governing Body does not benefit? They live in penthouses in the best part of Brooklyn, are flown all over the world and treated as royalty where ever they go. The best financial trick an individual can play is to remain separate from the income available to them.
WTComments 3 years ago
so my point is this.....YOU say that the GB all its want is to have the control of us...
lets say i agree...to gain WHAT???
1.finiancial power? i think my previous example shows that its not about the money..
2. political influence?? i think you know that this asemption makes no sense...
3.Global goverment??? i think that you know that they will never be a time that most of the people in planet earth will become JW!!
just ask me this...."Qui Bono?"
satan???lol
kathetos1 3 years ago
How the power is manifested is not the issue. These videos prove that mind-control is in place. Wielding that influence over seven million people can get you a lot of things, if not fill the bank accounts of the Watchtower Society.
WTComments 3 years ago
what i ment was that when reymont franz left the JW eventhouth had the most power position in the organizasion he had in his bank account 600 dollars and he was forced to work in a groshery shop to make a living!!!! imagine....the ONE from the "EVIL" governing body the highest rank of command in the JW organization!!!!and this are not my words...its his and i think you know it!
part 2
kathetos1 3 years ago
Ever wonder why the Watchtower Society, claiming to be a non-profit organization, does not publicize its financial records? Big question, that.
WTComments 3 years ago
hello again...thanks for the replay...i think that you are using the "appeal to fear" strategy...or am i wrong?:)
look...i know what happens after i baptised...my mother raised me as a jehova witnees.but i was never baptised.i am 30 years old and when i become 18 i went to enjoy the "goods" of life apart from the JW..
part 1
kathetos1 3 years ago
This is not an "appeal to fear," it is a FACT. I challenge you to go to your elders and show them your posts. What do you think their reaction will be?
WTComments 3 years ago
hello..thhanks for the compliment but i am still not baptized till julie...
and my friend "new jerusalim" english is not my native languege so its grammar is the least of my consernce!:P i am from greece..
btw is anyone going to REALLY answere my thought?
kathetos1 3 years ago
Thank you for posting, but the language barrier is in the way of your point. Can you clarify? These are the last few days of your ability to question the doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses. Once you are baptized you could be disfellowshipped if you insist on viewing information like this or even discuss "apostate" thoughts. Are you sure you want to hand over your mind like that?
WTComments 3 years ago
part 2 :P
if you open a bank account of the smalest clerk in the vatican,or the orthodox church,or your americans televangelists, you will find zillion of dollars...!!!
for me that says a lot....an awyful lot
sorry from my english...
PS...i am looking forward your next episode...it just makes my believes stronger...really...its not a sarcasm!
kathetos1 3 years ago
hello friends...i am someone that is going to be baptized this summer...i like to think that i am not a stupid person so i tried to look ferther to what other have to say about the JW...and let me tell you this...i would rather be a member of a "cult" that brainwashes me,who's one of their leaders ( your favorit Reymont Franz)..when he dicide it to be apart from it...he had in the bank the astronomical amount of 600 dollars..than to be a member of whatever you mean "good religion" who's ...
kathetos1 3 years ago
Looks like you are the Watchtower's target audience. Might want to revisit basic sentence structure and grammer before your door-to-door presentation.
NewJerusalem1979 3 years ago
The Watchtower was rated one of the top 40 companies in NYC in terms of revenue, bringing in 951 million dollars per year. In addition they hold 200 BILLION dollars in real estate. For a small organization they are very financially shrewd. Yet when Franz left he had almost no bank account, no place to live, no pension plan to support himself after a lifetime of dedication to the organization. Hmmn... Salvation is by personal relationship with God, not membership in an organization.
rachelbinto 3 years ago
Hello kathetos1....
Baptized INTO Christ? Or INTO the Organization?
My advice to you is to FIRST do a personal and prayerful reading and studying of the Bible before you EVEN think of getting baptized AS A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS. You should wonder why JW speak of their baptism this way.
The CORRECT way when speaking of baptism is to say that you are getting baptized AS A CHRISTIAN.
Anchor707 2 years ago
love your work - sparrow
wasbrainwashed 3 years ago
Another great video, thanks.
These videos expose the WTBTS for what it really is. They are truly "Captive to a Concept".
Keep up the good work.
awb17a 3 years ago 2
Heck, if they had everything absolutely perfect in their literature and beliefs that would mean that they were perfect, but no one is perfect yet. Knowledge, even knowledge of God doesn't come in a linear fashion. God has used imperfect people to carry out his purposes. In my opinion most of what other religions teach is far, far, far more full of theological holes than what the Witnesses teach. I am not a Witness and never have been.
infosurf 3 years ago
infosurf, since you are not a JW, let me add this critical factor to your argument. The religion will DISFELLOWSHIP members who do not believe as they do. JWs do not have a "linear fashion" of knowledge. Indeed, the record resembles a logical pretzle that JWs are forced to follow without dissent. That's the mind control exposed in these videos.
WTComments 3 years ago
Yes,you are. About "imperfect people":This is JW-double-talk. They have claimed MANY times thruout the years to be "Jehovahs inspired prophet on earth in the last days".If you keep spreading lies like that,I`m gonna have to post them.
NormaJe4n 3 years ago
It's not about theological holes or differences in interpretation. The JWs use their faithful and discreet SLAVE members to MAKE SHIT UP.
After they have made it up, they inform the MASSES of their new RULES and say that it is God's WILL that they make up these rules.
Oh wait, then they say you will be KICKED OUT if you don't OBEY, whether the command is based on the Bible or not.
trappedwarrior 3 years ago 4
does anyone else hear "scibes and pharasees" ringing?
ralema567 3 years ago 3
And does that mean Jehovah's Witnesses haven't gotten anything right? Witnesses who know the ins-and-outs of their doctrinal shifts concentrate on the things that have stood the test of time. In my opinion many things they've taught have stood up to scrutiny and those things that haven't are being reexamined and reexplained.
infosurf 3 years ago
"Many things they've taught have stood up to scrutiny" Please elaborate...
WTComments 3 years ago
What things do they teach that "stand up to scrutiny"?
trappedwarrior 3 years ago
Infosurf .... Oh, yeah, it's ok for the Witnesses to teach false doctrine, ("docrinal shifts") but why don't they ALSO give some SLACK to the other churches who also have "doctrinal shifts"? But no! They accuse them of being "professed Christians" because they, too teach some error. So basically to prejudge others as being a "professed Christian", on the bases of their errors, is the SAME as the Governing Body judging themselves as "professed Christians" because they, too. teach error.
Anchor707 2 years ago
Neither they, as individuals, nor their leaders have ever really claimed to be 'inspired' - in contrast to the Mormon leadership, for instance. Witnesses have sometimes overstated their conclusions in their interpretations of Biblical prophecy, at times, throughout their history, yes, but that's all I've been able to garner from their literature. Their theologians at Bethel are still trying to figure things out things. What's wrong with that?
infosurf 3 years ago
"Those who do not read can hear, for God has on earth today a prophetlike organization, just as he did in the days of the early Christian congregation." Watchtower 1964 Oct. 1 p.601
They are free to figure out whatever they want to about theology, as long as no one is injured for following them. They are not free to coerce kids into refusing blood transfusions. They are also not free to cover up pedophilia just to keep "Jehovah's name" clean.
JBSauce 3 years ago
What is wrong, is that they have been repeatedly wrong on their proclaimed "truths" about the bible. They have gone against what the bible says, that "no one, NOT EVEN THE SON, knows the day or hour" of Armageddon. Yet, numerous times they have published the date, and admonished followers to not get married, or have children because THE END IS NIGH. And what about those that honestly want to worship God, yet don't believe everything the WTBS teaches? They get DF'd and lose their family.
jgc04 3 years ago 2
I'll tell you what's "wrong" with it. Seeing that they now claim no inspiration, then they should STOP claiming to be "the Channel God is using to provide food at "the proper time" on His table".
Also, they contradict Jesus' own words. Jesus said that he IS COMING. He has been given King David's throne. This is an earthly throne. The GB now teach that Jesus IS NOT COMING but is staying up in heaven to rule from there. Where are the Scriptures to support this? There IS NONE.Matt. 24:30
Anchor707 2 years ago
Sure there are issues with JW theology, eschatology and history which they need to deal with by refining their doctrines, which they've been doing - and yes there have been immature conclusions published in their literature, but that doesn't change the fact that Armageddon is around the corner (by which I mean tomorrow, next year, 20 years from now, 100 years from now, 200 years from now). Now matter how you slice it or dice it we ARE living in the 'end times'.
infosurf 3 years ago
The purpose of this video is to point out how the Watchtower uses propaganda, the very same techniques they decry in other issues of their own magazines. This is double-speak and condemns their own methods.
WTComments 3 years ago
Ha ha,and you claim to not be a JW? That is BS!I was raised in your shitty cult,and your jw-ism is all thru your way of presenting your arguments,your language,your thought.I can spot it a mile away.You ARE a jehovahs witness,probably one in a high position,posting here under false flag,laying out a smoke screen to make your religion look better.Take your "theocratic warfare" somewhere else.
NormaJe4n 3 years ago
I've never been one of Jehovah's Witnesses, so that nullifies your inaccurate assertions regarding me and what I'm about - plain and simple. More importantly, WTComments or the people/person behind the WTComments videos says he's an active member.
infosurf 3 years ago
Why don't you ask the local Witnesses for a "study" then? You seem to be their target demographic. LOL
NewJerusalem1979 3 years ago
If we were to say: "The Bible is truly the inspired word of God but all other religious texts are false and not from God and are of no lasting value and actually are products of the Devil and God's wrath is upon those who believe such false religious texts if they don't change their beliefs" (as many reading this would agree), wouldn't we be setting up ourselves for the following: "You Bible believers make sweeping generalizations, using loaded language and fear fostering techniques?"
infosurf 3 years ago
Propaganda is everywhere, especially in advertising. Fallacy becomes dangerous when it is used to bind minds in unswerving devotion to a group of imperfect men, in this case the Governing Body. Very few religions take such severe measures against dissenters as JWs do. Any such group begs scrutiny.
WTComments 3 years ago
All Christianity and all religions do the same thing as what this guy is saying!!!
BD0909 3 years ago
Excellent video! I love the logic included in the videos.
EvidenceMinistries 3 years ago
"How can you be critical of the truth?" Excellent point. I love how you show the text of 1 John 4:1, after that. Priceless!
Yeah, we have no real idea of what the Governing Body bases their ideas on - we only have what they give us. So, basically, they're not being straightforward with us. I guess they think we can't handle the truth.
As an aside, I noticed how they have a "token-black-guy" in the Governing Body when you showed their picture.
amfanman 3 years ago 2
I like the new sound effects, V, and how you made sure to differentiate the word "truth" from JW Truth®. You're really improving your craft on these videos. Great job as always!
JBSauce 3 years ago
I cannot believe that these keep getting better!!! Thanks for all the hard work.
Nihilator 3 years ago 2
AWESOME!!! AWESOME AWESOME!!!! If I could give you 10 stars I would..I love your videos, they are clear and easy to understand, it's hard for anyone to reasonably argue with your videos and they are taken directly from the organizations literature and show the constant inconsistancies and fallacies..Thank you so much..Now if I could only get my family to watch them..lol
mostsexysmile 3 years ago 4
The Truth "ding"; ha ha ha! Brilliant, thanks for posting another great video!
cleanideas 3 years ago
you can get the watchtower cd-rom library from ebay ect
ralema567 3 years ago
now that's truth!
ralema567 3 years ago
Absolutely fantastic. We all need to email a link to this youtube video to all our JW friends and family. Spread the word!
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freeyourmindnow 3 years ago 5
I can't thk u enough for posting the videos-my spouse is now a JW & ur videos & JWD has helped me tremendously in learning what the WTS is all about. WHAT MANIPULATORS!! My spouse is no longer the person I married-he is under THEIR control. Don't know how to reach him(I am christian & know the bible so he can't deceive me)I no longer trust him or believe him (we have kids & must always be on the alert-is that pathetic or what?)Sorry for rant,I just wanted to thk you very much for ur videos
jennb1415 3 years ago 4
The videos are designed to be watched by JWs and "should" be reasonable to them because we only source Watchtower publications. Challenge your husband to watch a video or two and get his opinion (no personal attacks allowed!) on the material. I'm a married JW too, so I understand...
WTComments 3 years ago
this vlog reminds me of how our gov't works with talking points, speech, and the manipulation of language.
witzkeyman 3 years ago 2
Superb video! Excellent information and so very well formulated and presented.
Shazoolo 3 years ago
Very informative V, well done again your videos are really helping people see the corruption and deceit of this very damaging cult, thanks for all your work on this !
coolsmith241 3 years ago 2
Excellent video. It's nice to see someone calling the Watchtower on their propaganda, line by line. Keep up the good work!
hopefulatheist 3 years ago 4
Excellent! I continue to attend meetings for personal reasons, but thanks to your videos, reading a Watchtower publication will never be the same, I can clearly see your points! And the best part is that we are talking about their own literature, not apostate writings. Thanks again! Keep up the Good Work!
mividasecreta 3 years ago 2